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Title: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe
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American Thinker
URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog ... cript_to_hide_obama_gaffe.html
Published: Sep 10, 2011
Author: Timothy Birdnow
Post Date: 2011-09-10 13:15:56 by A K A Stone
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Views: 17203
Comments: 46
Barack Obama has gone to Congress asking for more money to spend. The President, in a rambling and tedious exercise mixing blame with demands, made quite a few dubious statements in laying out the case for Congress to vote for the plan which as yet does not exist. Much like Obamacare, Congress must ultimately vote for the bill to know what is in it. At one point Mr. Obama made a major gaffe; he identified Abraham Lincoln as the founder of the Republican Party. Lincoln did not join the Republicans until 1856, over two years after the party was founded. The first Republican convention was held in Ripon, Wisconsin in 1854. Such a gaffe would have brought huge amounts of ridicule and derision on George W. Bush, but in the case of Obama the media yawned. Actually, they did more than yawn; government-funded PBS has altered the transcript of the President's speech, removing the offending comment. The New York Times transcript has the following quote: "We all remember Abraham Lincoln as the leader who saved our Union. Founder of the Republican Party. But in the middle of a civil war, he was also a leader who looked to the future -- a Republican President who mobilized government to build the Transcontinental Railroad -- (applause) -- launch the National Academy of Sciences, set up the first land grant colleges. (Applause.) And leaders of both parties have followed the example he set." But how does it appear in the PBS transcript? "We all remember Abraham Lincoln as the leader who saved our Union. But in the middle of a Civil War, he was also a leader who looked to the future - a Republican president who mobilized government to build the transcontinental railroad; launch the National Academy of Sciences; and set up the first land grant colleges. And leaders of both parties have followed the example he set." So PBS has purposely altered a transcript containing a major gaffe by the President. See a screen shot: Poster Comment: Maybe I need a corrupt media category.
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ROFLMAO...Oscar Meyer has a new baloney slicer... The GOP calls itself "The Party of Lincoln" and heis often cited as being an important Founder of the party as he united the old Whigs with the so-called "radical Republicans"... The "writer" bet on people like you being ignorant of history to the point of being stupid. He won, btw....
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Did or did not PBS alter the transcript? Is Abraham Lincoln the founder of the Republican Party? The word obese comes to mind.
And maybe the word "obtuse" as well? But yes, in reference to known barack ballsack extraordinaire dwarf, obese and obtuse fit his spandex bra lycra pantied "triathelete" persona quite well.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. (decided to retire the beatdowns on old worthless retread posters that are bozoed)
I said "obese" because a certain poster altered an article about Chris Christie and inserted the word obese in the article. Since I am a very nice guy I won't tell anyone that it was war. People who alter stuff seem to stick together.
This is how it appears in the PBS transcript, wingnut. "We all remember Abraham Lincoln as the leader who saved our Union. Founder of the Republican Party. But in the middle of a civil war, he was also a leader who looked to the future -- a Republican President who mobilized government to build the Transcontinental Railroad -- (applause) -- launch the National Academy of Sciences, set up the first land grant colleges. (Applause.) And leaders of both parties have followed the example he set. " http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec11/obamaspeech_09-08.html Maybe you should try using reliable sources instead of your wingnut blogs. Leave that to no gnu taxes.
Honest Abe championed railroad legislation to open vistas for the young and aspiring, and to build national markets. Ol' Honest Abe championed railroad legislation to open Union Pacific vistas beginning in Council Bluffs, Iowa. http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo111.html America’s Temple to Political Plunder by Thomas J. DiLorenzo [excerpt] The real Lincoln was a well-connected railroad industry trial lawyer/lobbyist who lived in the biggest house in what is today called "Old Aristocracy Hill" in Springfield, Illinois. He represented the Illinois Central Railroad, along with the Chicago and Alton, Ohio and Mississippi, Rock Island, and Chicago and Mississippi Railroads, among others. He was such a prominent railroad industry insider that New York financier Erastus Corning offered him the position of general counsel of the New York Central Railroad in 1857. "Lincoln’s close relations with powerful special interests" were "always potent and present in political counsels," wrote John W. Starr in Lincoln and the Railroads. He traveled throughout the Mid-West in a private train car courtesy of the Illinois Central, accompanied by an entourage of railroad industry executives. Lincoln turned down Erastus Corning’s job offer around the same time he invested in real estate in Council Bluffs, Iowa (a part of town that, to this day, is known as "Lincoln’s Hill"). Then, just three months after taking office he called a special session of Congress to propose "emergency" legislation to create the taxpayer-subsidized Union Pacific Railroad. Although the war was a much larger emergency, Lincoln believed that it was imperative to begin building a railroad line to California. "There was no firmer friend of the Union Pacific bill than the president himself," writes Starr. The bill finally passed in 1862 and it gave the president the power to "fix the point of commencement" of the Union Pacific. Lincoln chose Council Bluffs, Iowa, of all places. What a coincidence. From an economic perspective it was completely unnecessary for government to subsidize a transcontinental railroad. Entrepreneur James J. Hill proved this by building the enormously successful Great Northern Railroad without a dime of government subsidy and no land grants. But the Pacific Railroad bill was the Mother of All Government Boondoggles and enriched many of Lincoln’s friends and political supporters. As Dee Brown wrote in his history of the transcontinental railroads, Hear That Lonesome Whistle Blow, when Lincoln signed the bill he "assured the fortunes of a dynasty of American families . . . the Brewsters, Bushnells, Olcotts, Harkers, Harrisons, Trowbridges, Lanworthys, Reids, Ogdens, Bradfords, Noyeses, Brooks, Cornells, and dozens of others." The Party of Lincoln was thick with political thieves and connivers. Congressman Thadeus Stevens "received a block of [Union Pacific] stock in exchange for his vote" on the Pacific Railroad bill, writes Starr. Stevens, a Pennsylvania iron-maker, also demanded (and got) a clause in the law requiring that all steel used in the building of the railroad by "of American manufacture." Republican congressman Oakes Ames, a shovel manufacturer from Massachusetts, became a supporter of the bill when he was promised shovel contracts. (It must have taken a lot of shovels to dig railroad beds from Iowa to California). Starr offers numerous other examples of the inherent corruption, from the very beginning, of the Party of Lincoln.
Psssst hey Skipster . . . .lookie over here . . . . __________________________________________________________________________________________ He claims to be an independent thinker, yet everything he ever posts is pro Democratic Party. Like several other posters.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
The transcontinentals were built after the civil war ! He said this three years ago in his 1st adress to congress !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
The above is from the RNC web site (http://www.gop.com/index.php/issues/heroes/abraham_lincoln-1/)
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The railroad was proposed in 1861 and the implementing legislation was signed into law in 1862. Construction on the Central Pacific Railroad began in February 1863. http://www.cprr.org/Museum/Construction_1883.html MADE TO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, WASHINGTON: GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE. [...] THE CENTRAL PACIFIC RAILROAD. (San Francisco, Cal., to Ogden, Utah, via Benicia, 834 miles; old route, via Niles and Lathrop, 895 miles.) The Central Pacific Railroad of California was organized June 28, 1861, under the general railroad law of California, with authority to construct a railroad from Sacramento to the eastern boundary of the State. The conditions of the Congressional act of July 1, 1862, were formally accepted by the company October 7, 1862, and acceptance filed in the Department of the Interior December 24, 1862. Construction. - The work of construction was commenced in February, 1863, and by January 31, 1865, the road was opened from Sacramento to New Castle, 31 miles; to Colfax, 56 miles, September 4, 1865; to Cisco, 94 miles, November 9, 1866; and to the eastern boundary of the State, 138 miles, by November 14, 1867. In 1868, 362 miles were constructed, and the line opened to a junction with the Union Pacific near Ogden, Utah, May 15, 1869.
The above is from the RNC web site The cited anonymous fictional non-history is contradicted by the documented words of Abraham Lincoln and the actual history of the Republican Party. The first meeting to organize the Republican party was on March 20, 1854. Lincoln was still a Whig in 1855 and ran for election as a Whig. Abraham Lincoln declined to attend the Republican State convention in 1854, despite his name being placed on the Committee without his permission. He made it quite clear that he was not a member of "that party." Roy P. Basler, The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume II, page 288: I. Codding, Esq, Springfield, Novr. 27. 1854 Dear Sir Your note of the 13th. requesting my attendance of the Republican State Central Committee, on the 17th. Inst. at Chicago, was, owing to my absence from home, received on the evening of that day (17th) only. While I have pen in hand allow me to say I have been perplexed some to understand why my name was placed on that committee. I was not consulted on the subject; nor was I apprized of the appointment, until I discovered it by accident two or three weeks afterwards. I suppose my opposition to the principle of slavery is as strong as that of any member of the Republican party; but I had also supposed that the extent to which I feel authorized to carry that opposition, practically; was not at all satisfactory to that party. The leading men who organized that party, were present, on the 4th. of Oct. at the discussion between Douglas and myself at Springfield, [2] and had full oppertunity to not misunderstand my position. Do I misunderstand theirs? Please write, and inform me. Yours truly A. LINCOLN--- Annotation [1] ALS copy, DLC-RTL. Ichabod Codding was a noted abolition and temperance lecturer who was one of the most active leaders in the new Republican party movement in Illinois, often referred to contemporaneously as "fusionists.'' The predominance of abolitionists among the fusionists gave Lincoln some uncertainty as to his willingness to join forces with them. At this point Lincoln was willing to co-operate with them, but refused to join them. [2] An anti-Nebraska Republican convention had been held at Springfield on October 4-5; Lincoln did not attend. Roy P. Basler, The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume II, page 288: T. J. Henderson, Esq My dear Sir— It has come round that a whig may, by possibility, be elected to the U.S. Senate; and I want the chance of being the man. You are a member of the Legislature, and have a vote to give. Think it over, and see whether you can do better than to go for me. Write me, at all events; and let this be confidential. Yours truly A. LINCOLN— Roy P. Basler, The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume III, First Lincoln-Douglas debate, Ottawa, Illinois, August 21, 1858, excerpt from pages 13-14: Now, about this story that Judge Douglas tells of Trumbull bargaining to sell out the old Democratic party, and Lincoln agreeing to sell out the old Whig party, I have the means of knowing about that; [laughter] Judge Douglas cannot have; and I know there is no substance to it whatever. [Applause.] Yet I have no doubt he is "conscientious" about it. [Laughter.] I know that after Mr. Lovejoy got into the Legislature that winter, he complained of me that I had told all the old Whigs in his district that the old Whig party was good enough for them, and some of them voted against him because I told them so. Now I have no means of totally disproving such charges as this which the Judge makes. A man cannot prove a negative, but he has a right to claim that when a man makes an affirmative charge, he must offer some proof to show the truth of what he says. I certainly cannot introduce testimony to show the negative about things, but I have a right to claim that if a man says he knows a thing, then he must show how he knows it. I always have a right to claim this, and it is not satisfactory to me that he may be "conscientious'' on the subject. [Cheers and Laughter.] Now gentlemen, I hate to waste my time on such things, but in regard to that general abolition tilt that Judge Douglas makes, when he says that I was engaged at that time in selling out and abolitionizing the old Whig party—I hope you will permit me to read a part of a printed speech that I made then at Peoria, which will show altogether a different view of the position I took in that contest of 1854. Roy P. Basler, The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume IV, Letter to Samuel Haycraft, June 4, 1860, Excerpt from page 70: Michael Zak, Back to the Basics for the Republican Party, (a history of the Republican party) page 28:
You're delirious ! It's 2 - 000 miles across the country ! The north west passage was a two hundred year dream - plan ! the only Black man in public life ... that liberals could safely mock - despise --- may be on the point of bringing the Blue Empire down. http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/08/28/new-blue-nightmare- clarence-thomas-and-the-amendment-of-doom/
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
You are wrong again. Why do you think PBS tried to change the transcript? That is what I find interesting. I don't care much that a non American doesn't know our history. I didn't know the details either until Chan pointed them out.
Interesting. Thank You.
Lincoln did not join the Republicans until 1856, over two years after the party was founded. The first Republican convention was held in Ripon, Wisconsin in 1854. 0bama is correct despite the ramblings of the article. The "know-nothings" founded the Republican Party and it took years to organize them. The "know-nothings" evolved from the Whigs; there was a large transition. Your article makes a BIG DEAL out of nothing.
Why does PBS change transcripts? That is the point of the article. Not that Obama is an idiot. That is already known. See post number 12.
Interesting link. I posted it. Thanks.
All publick news sources modify the news content to fit their own agenda. Many, if not most major publick news sources are imbued with CIA operatives ensuring the proper venue is delivered to the masses. That is why I despise US news media; it tells the same story everywhere you turn to. This is also true of foreign news services. It is well documented through US congressional sessions about this CIA being out of control, too. Yet, congress permits funding to dupe us.
I don't see any change, Stone, and I clicked on the PBS site from the link in your article. Maybe your author is full of shit, or maybe PBS made an error which they corrected. Here's the explanation from PBS: "EDITOR’S NOTE: The original transcript provided on this page, as was noted, reflected the president’s remarks as prepared for delivery and released by the White House. This transcript has been updated to reflect the remarks as delivered and released by the White House." So they printed the transcript provided by the WH, then corrected it with the actual remarks of the speech. BFD.
[BorisY #13] You're delirious ! It's 2 - 000 miles across the country ! The north west passage was a two hundred year dream - plan ! You "forgot" to include any source for your fantasy history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Pacific_Railroad 1864 1865 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Transcontinental_Railroad On January 8, 1863, Governor Leland Stanford ceremoniously broke ground in Sacramento, California, to begin construction of the Central Pacific Railroad. The Central Pacific made great progress along the Sacramento Valley. However construction was slowed, first by the foothills of the Sierra Nevada, then by the mountains themselves and most importantly by winter snowstorms. Consequently, the Central Pacific expanded its efforts to hire emigrant laborers (many of whom were Chinese). Emigrants seemed to be more willing to tolerate the horrible conditions, and progress continued. The increasing necessity for tunnelling then began to slow progress of the line yet again. http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/historyonline/china1.cfm In February, 1865, the Central Pacific decided to try a new labor pool. Charles Crocker, chief of construction persuaded his company to employ Chinese immigrants, arguing that the people who build the Great Wall of China and invented gunpowder could certainly build a railroad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Pacific_Railroad http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/5views/5views3c.htm The most impressive construction feat of Chinese Americans was the work done on the western section of the transcontinental railroad. The groundbreaking ceremony for the Central Pacific Railroad took place in Sacramento in 1863, but Chinese American workers were not hired until 1865. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/tcrr-cprr/ http://www.learncalifornia.org/doc.asp?id=112 With materials beginning to arrive from the east, grading and track construction progressed northeasterly into the foothills. The work was much slower and more costly than anticipated, and the government bond subsidy would not be available until the first forty miles were completed. By early summer 1863 things were not going well. The railroad was running out of cash, and a widening rift had developed between Judah and Stanford, Huntington, Crocker and Hopkins—who were now becoming known as the "Big Four." Judah disliked the fact that Charles Crocker was given the contract to build a section of line, and wanted to use the completed part of the railroad as collateral for loans to stay afloat until the government bonds became available. The Big Four favored going deeper into personal debt to support the railroad rather than lower the line's credit rating by borrowing against it. There were other disagreements: soon Judah and his supporters on the board were excluded from important decisions. Matters came to a head at the end of September when both camps adopted a put-up-or-shut-up compromise. The Big Four agreed to buy out Judah's interest in the railroad for $100,000, and in turn offered to let him buy them out on the same terms if he could raise the funds. If Judah wanted to run the railroad here was his opportunity, otherwise he could take the money and leave. He boarded ship for New York giving the impression that he was about to secure financial backing sufficient to buy out his partners and take over the enterprise. Whatever his plan, Theodore Judah did not live to carry it out. While crossing the Isthmus of Panama he contracted yellow fever, and died in New York City on November 2, 1863. The Big Four now had complete control of the Central Pacific. In an irony of history, the railroad's first locomotive, the Gov. Stanford, arrived by schooner from San Francisco on October 6, four days before Judah departed on his final, fatal trip east. It was difficult and costly to secure equipment for the railroad. All the rails, locomotives, and other supplies—literally everything except timber and the few iron castings which could be made locally—had to be sent on an 18,000 mile, five-to-eight-month voyage by sailing ship around Cape Horn from Atlantic coast ports. With the nation embroiled in Civil War, the Union had first call on railroad equipment, and scarcity drove up prices. Only small, obsolete locomotives were available; larger, more modern engines went to the war effort. Confederate privateers preyed on the shiploads of valuable supplies, and while few shipments were lost the cost of insurance became astronomical. Construction was slow, but things began to look up in 1864. Additional locomotives arrived, and the road began hauling paying passengers in March. Another cash crisis occurred in the spring, and Congress was induced to pass an amended Pacific Railroad Act in July that increased the amount of land available and let the railroad borrow more money. The financial situation was stabilized by January of the next year and construction really took off. Gangs of surveyors and location engineers ranged out ahead of the end of track, refining Judah's survey and establishing the final location for the line. Graders followed, making cuts and fills and preparing the roadbed. Giant timber trestles were constructed, stations, water tanks and engine servicing facilities built, yards and terminals constructed.
I just came across this. http://grandoldpartisan.typepad.com/ Grand Old Partisan is the old FR handle of Michael Zak, author of Back to the Basics for the Republican Party. Hey, Barack (and Mike Huckabee): Abraham Lincoln was NOT the "Founder of the Republican Party" [...] Barack Obama's speech-writers should learn more about American history. In truth, Abraham Lincoln was not the founder of the Republican Party. The first meeting of GOP was in March 1854 -- in Ripon, Wisconsin -- followed by the first organizational meeting of the GOP in July 1854 -- in Jackson, Michigan. Lincoln refused to attend the first attempt to establish the Illinois GOP in 1855, as he still considered himself a Whig. Not until May 1856 did Abraham Lincoln declare himself to be a Republican. That was TWO YEARS after the Founding of the Republican Party.
All this unnecessary detail leads nowhere. 0bama chose for a speech, the correct approach for a generalized method to convey historical significance: Abraham Lincoln was the first POTUS that lead the GOP.
Right now the only party that deals in reality is the Democratic party. That is not being pro Democrat in stating this. Those in the American right wing - a group I use to identify with - have long left this reality for an alternate one of wingbatism. This wingbat article is an example - done on purpose I think - to keep the Republican - or anti Obama block - or so called Conservative base - in a state of constant anti-obama mode. PBS did not try and scrub Obama's error (there was no error) but I am sure some think tank operative used a small deviation of transcript to work up a conspiratorial angle - makes the "base" mistrust news organizations other than those of the right wing movement. It is a easy enough understood disinfo model being employed here. So, I can't understand how you so called right wingers can get so easily manipulated? Other than you WANT to be lied to. You want some justification for the now proven false reality you have adopted. Seriously, you guys on the so called right wing as seen on these various right wing forums are just pitiable. It is like I remember school where we would have the slow learning resource class room and the rest of the student body kind of felt sorry and mocked the slow learners in the resource rooms.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Good point. The same thing happened with Obama's birth certificate.
This sort of disinfo is designed to keep the anti-obama base always worked up so they can never get a change to examine reality. Instead of examining the speech - which may cause converts - they are now fixated on this non-existent issue of a altered or not altered transcript - especially since they don't want the so called "base" accepting the thesis that Lincoln and the GOP were founded on the idea of EXANDING the power of the Federal govt against the power of the states/states rights - which is the current GOP ideology that was adopted as the States Rights Dixiecrats migrated into the Republican party.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
"Happened"? Surely you don't think the wingnuts are done with this yet, do you?
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Obama called Lincoln "Founder of the Republican Party." Had he claimed something factual, this thread would not exist. There is no more reason to support Obama's factual inaccuracy than to accept that John Quincy Adams was a Founding Father. The problem was that what PBS posted was not a transcript of the speech at all, but the advance copy of the text provided to the press. They have not corrected their error to reflect what Obama actually said. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec11/obamaspeech_09-08.html [...] We all remember Abraham Lincoln as the leader who saved our Union. Founder of the Republican Party. But in the middle of a civil war, he was also a leader who looked to the future -- a Republican President who mobilized government to build the Transcontinental Railroad -- (applause) -- launch the National Academy of Sciences, set up the first land grant colleges. (Applause.) And leaders of both parties have followed the example he set. Lincoln did not set up the first land grant colleges.
0bama got the central idea concerning Lincoln's presidency across to most of the inbreds that vote in America; Lincoln was the first GOP POTUS. 0bama isn't a historian; he is politician and similar to Palin's gaffe about Paul Revere, it is a good approximation for rhetorical political mumbo-jumbo BS that the masses of dumb-downed chad punchers beg to applaud for.
Your brain - skin is going darker ! affirmative action history ! #1. To: Sweetjustusnow (#0) that, at every moment of economic upheaval and transformation, this nation has responded with bold action and big ideas. In the midst of civil war, we laid railroad tracks from one coast to another that spurred commerce and industry Never happened ! Railoroads came after the war ! byeltsin posted on 2009-02-24 In your wet sleeping dreams ! http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=256960&Disp=All
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Fuck off, Boris. And again, fuck off.
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So some people had some meetings and did some third party jerk off scheme....blah blah blah... Lincoln was a uniting force between Whigs and Radicals. He put the Republican party on the map as a sober alternative for abolitionists and took that coalition all the way to the White House. Those who claim him as a Founder of the GOP are well within reason for doing so - no matter how many hairs wish to be split by others. I believe that it's a more interesting to discuss how he ended up NOT being a US Senator than to split hairs over who founded what and when. I do find it hilarious that those who claim the mantle of "The Party of Lincoln" now run away from it because "Obama made a boo boo..." even though he really didn't...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Hair splitting again...he most certainly did at the Federal level when he embraced the previously vetoed Morril Act...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
See 1984 for more information...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
So if Sarah Palin became President. She would be known as the founder of the tea party. Got ya.
History is rarely written by contemporaries... My money says that if the Tea Party finds the same long term success that the GOP has then history could cite her as a Founder. Funny seeing you get your ass kicked on this thread tho. Everything you 'said" was wrong... Quick...change the subject to abortion.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Nothing special, just the usual shit. I just haven't told him to fuck off in a while.
------------------------------------- Okay. I guess I'll take him off bozo for a while. If I see that picture of black, gay Klansmen again, I'll likely have a coronary.
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#2. To: war (#1)
#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)
The word obese comes to mind.
#4. To: e_type_jag, war (#3)
#5. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#6. To: A K A Stone (#0)
But in the middle of a civil war, he was also a leader who looked to the future -- a Republican President who mobilized government to build the Transcontinental Railroad....
October 10, 2006 The Great Railroad Lobbyist
#7. To: Skip Intro the DNC water carrier, aka stone (#5)
Maybe you should try using reliable sources instead of your wingnut blogs.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#8. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#7)
Skip Intro the DNC water carrier
#9. To: A K A Stone (#0)
But in the middle of a civil war, he was also a leader who looked to the future -- a Republican President who mobilized government to build the Transcontinental Railroad -- (applause) --
#10. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Abraham Lincoln helped establish the Republican Party with a speech denouncing an 1854 law, written by a Democrat Senator, that allowed slavery to expand into the western territories. Two years later, he co-founded the Illinois GOP. Lincoln was runner-up for the 1856 Republican vice presidential nomination and then became a Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate.
#11. To: BorisY, A K A Stone (#9)
The transcontinentals were built after the civil war !
ANNUAL REPORT OF THE COMMISSIONER OF RAILROADS,
FOR THE YEAR ENDING JUNE 30, 1883.
1883.
#12. To: go65, A K A Stone (#10)
Abraham Lincoln helped establish the Republican Party with a speech denouncing an 1854 law, written by a Democrat Senator, that allowed slavery to expand into the western territories. Two years later, he co-founded the Illinois GOP. Lincoln was runner-up for the 1856 Republican vice presidential nomination and then became a Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate.
(http://www.gop.com/index.php/issues/heroes/abraham_lincoln-1/)
(COPY) To Thomas J. Henderson [1]
Springfield, Novr. 27, 1854 MY FELLOW-CITIZENS: When a man hears himself somewhat misrepresented, it provokes him—at least, I find it so with myself; but when the misrepresentation becomes very gross and palpable, it is more apt to amuse him. [Laughter.] The first thing I see fit to notice, is the fact that Judge Douglas alleges, after running through the history of the old Democratic and the old Whig parties, that Judge Trumbull and myself made an arrangement in 1854, by which I was to have the place of Gen. Shields in the United States Senate, and Judge Trumbull was to have the place of Judge Douglas. Now all I have to say upon that subject is, that I think no man—not even Judge Douglas—can prove it, because it is not true. [Cheers.] I have no doubt he is "conscientious'' in saying it. [Laughter.] As to those resolutions that he took such a length of time to read, as being the platform of the Republican party in 1854, I say I never had anything to do with them, and I think Trumbull never had. [Renewed laughter.] Judge Douglas cannot show that either one of us ever did have any thing to do with them. I believe this is true about those resolutions: There was a call for a Convention to form a Republican party at Springfield, and I think that my friend Mr. Lovejoy, who is here upon this stand, had a hand in it. I think this is true, and I think if he will remember accurately, he will be able to recollect that he tried to get me into it, and I would not go in. [Cheers and laughter.] I believe it is also true, that I went away from Springfield when the Convention was in session, to attend court in Tazewell County. It is true they did place my name, though without authority, upon the Committee, and afterwards wrote me to attend the meeting of the Committee, but I refused to do so, and I never had anything to do with that organization. This is the plain truth about all that matter of the resolutions.
Like yourself I belonged to the whig party from its origin to it's close.
At first, Lincoln considered our Republican Party too strongly abolitionish to have much of a future in national politics. He also had to be sure the Republicans would adopt the Whigs' economic growth agenda. Still calling himself a Whig, Lincoln nearly won election to the U.S. Senate in 1855, coming six votes short in the Illinois legislature before throwing his support to the eventual winner, anti-slavery Democrat and future Republican, Lyman Trumbull.
#13. To: nolu chan (#11)
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January 31, 1865, the road was opened from Sacramento to New Castle, 31 miles;
#14. To: Skip Intro, nolu chan (#5)
Maybe you should try using reliable sources instead of your wingnut blogs.
#15. To: nolu chan (#12)
#16. To: A K A Stone (#0)
At one point Mr. Obama made a major gaffe; he identified Abraham Lincoln as the founder of the Republican Party.
#17. To: buckeroo (#16)
#18. To: BorisY (#13)
#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)
#20. To: A K A Stone (#14)
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Why do you think PBS tried to change the transcript? That is what I find interesting.
#21. To: BorisY, A K A Stone (#13)
[BorisY #9] The transcontinentals were built after the civil war !
1863
Central Pacific
The Central Pacific also faced an acute labor shortage. In the winter of 1864, the company had only 600 laborers at work, a small fraction of the 5,000 for which it had advertised. And these workers were unreliable: "Some would stay until pay day, get a little money, get drunk and clear out," a superintendent said.
They laid the first rails in 1863. The "Golden spike", connecting the western railroad to the Union Pacific Railroad at Promontory, Utah, was hammered on May 10, 1869. Coast-to-coast train travel in eight days became possible, replacing months-long sea voyages and lengthy, hazardous travel by wagon trains.
Railroad Construction
In early 1865 the Central Pacific had work enough for 4,000 men. Yet contractor Charles Crocker barely managed to hold onto 800 laborers at any given time. Most of the early workers were Irish immigrants. Railroad work was hard, and management was chaotic, leading to a high attrition rate.
Enlisting Harvey Strobridge, a slave driver, the Central Pacific Railroad pushed their men. Only 34 miles from Sacramento the crews started using blasting powder in order to maintain grade. In 1865, Charles Crocker, in charge of construction, finally found the solution to the work force problem with the introduction of Chinese labor amongst his Irishmen. At the height of construction the Central Pacific Railroad employed over 10,000 Chinese.
Groundbreaking occurred on January 8, 1863, at the foot of "K" Street in Sacramento. It was a rainy, muddy day, with bundles of straw being spread around to provide dry footing for the participants. A speaker's stand decorated with bunting and flags furnished the backdrop for the ceremony. In his speech, Governor Leland Stanford, said "We may now look forward with confidence to the day, not far distant, when the Pacific Coast will be bound to the Atlantic Coast by iron bonds that shall consolidate and strengthen the ties of nationality, and advance with giant strides the prosperity of the State and Country...."
#22. To: A K A Stone (#15)
September 10, 2011
#23. To: nolu chan (#22)
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#24. To: no gnu taxes, Get Outta Dodge!, Skip Intro, nolu chan, e_type_jag, war, go65, lucysmom (#8)
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He claims to be an independent thinker, yet everything he ever posts is pro Democratic Party.
#25. To: Godwinson (#24)
work up a conspiratorial angle
#26. To: NewsJunky (#25)
#27. To: NewsJunky (#25)
The same thing happened with Obama's birth certificate.
#28. To: Godwinson (#24)
Right now the only party that deals in reality is the Democratic party.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#29. To: buckeroo (#23)
All this unnecessary detail leads nowhere. 0bama chose for a speech, the correct approach for a generalized method to convey historical significance: Abraham Lincoln was the first POTUS that lead the GOP.
EDITOR'S NOTE: The original transcript provided on this page, as was noted, reflected the president's remarks as prepared for delivery and released by the White House. This transcript has been updated to reflect the remarks as delivered and released by the White House.
#30. To: nolu chan (#29)
#31. To: nolu chan (#21)
#32. To: BorisY (#9)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#33. To: Biff Tannen (#32)
#34. To: nolu chan (#12)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#35. To: nolu chan (#29)
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Lincoln did not set up the first land grant colleges.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#36. To: Godwinson (#24)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#37. To: war (#34)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#39. To: Fred Mertz (#33)
What did he write? I have him on bozo.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#40. To: Biff Tannen (#39)
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