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Title: israel Wary At "Harsh" Turk Naval Challenge
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Published: Sep 9, 2011
Author: By Dan Williams
Post Date: 2011-09-09 13:35:36 by Brian S
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JERUSALEM | Fri Sep 9, 2011 12:56pm EDT

(Reuters) - Israel will keep blockading Gaza in the face of Turkey's unprecedented naval challenge and is prepared for escalation though it seeks to calm the waters with its ex-ally, officials said on Friday.

Deepening a crisis over Israel's killing last year of nine of their citizens aboard an aid flotilla that tried to reach the Palestinian enclave, the Turks vowed on Thursday to assign warships to escort such convoys in the future.

The prospect of a showdown at sea with Turkey, a NATO power and fellow U.S. strategic partner in the region, rattled Israelis already long on edge given Arab political upheaval and Iran's nuclear program.

Breaking an almost 24-hour-long silence on the warships announcement, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said Israeli policy "was and remains the prevention of deterioration in our ties with Turkey and easing the tensions between the countries."

"The prime minister and cabinet discussed the various theoretical possibilities should escalation occur. But a decision on such will be made only if and when required."

Confrontation did not appear imminent after the IHH, a Turkish Islamist charity that owned the Mavi Marmara cruise ship stormed by Israeli marines on May 31, 2010, said in Istanbul it had no plan "for now" to mount another Gaza mission.

But Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan also pledged to boost naval patrols around easter Mediterranean gas fields being developed by Israel, a potential blow to the Netanyahu government's quest for energy independence.

The Obama administration appealed for rapprochement.

"We are encouraging both countries to find a way to work together to overcome their differences and restore at least some of the friendship that they previously had," U.S. Ambassador Dan Shapiro told Israel Radio.

"SABER-RATTLING"

They had tried to mend fences ahead of a U.N. report last week that deemed the blockade a legal means to stem the flow of arms to Gaza's governing Hamas and other Palestinian militants. Israel formally declared it during a 2008-2009 war with Hamas.

Turkey argues that the naval closure amounts to illegal collective punishment of Gaza's impoverished 1.5 million Palestinians and conditioned reconciliation on it being lifted.

"There is no intent to review the blockade as long as Hamas amasses missiles. This is a measure consistent with international law," said Yigal Palmor, spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry.

The U.N. inquiry also called Israeli marines' gunfire in brawls aboard the Mavi Marmara "excessive and unreasonable" and the deaths caused "unacceptable." Israel voiced regret but rejected Ankara's demand for a formal apology and compensation.

While Turkey's navy outclasses Israel's, the latter could make use of its advanced air force in any coastal face-off. Yet analysts saw them coming to blows as unlikely. [nL5E7K91B2]

"The things Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said are harsh and serious, but I don't think it would be right to get into any verbal saber-rattling with him," Netanyahu deputy Dan Meridor told Israel's Army Radio. "Our silence is the best response. I hope this phenomenon will pass."

Erdogan's forceful comments about the Eastern Mediterranean also prompted a warning from the European Union not to threaten EU-member Cyprus.

Turkey is the only country that recognizes a separate Turkish-run state in Cyprus's northern third, which it invaded in 1974 in response to a Greek-inspired coup.

"You know that Israel has begun to declare that it has the right to act in exclusive economic areas in the Mediterranean," Erdogan said.

"You will see that it will not be the owner of this right, because Turkey, as the guarantor of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, has taken steps in the area, and it will be decisive and holding fast to the right to monitor international waters in the east Mediterranean."

EU spokeswoman Maja Kocijancic said: "The EU urges Turkey to refrain from any kinds of threats, sources of friction that could negatively affect good neighborly relations and the peaceful settlement of border disputes."

Any dispute between Turkey and Israel is unlikely to embroil NATO, which operates on the basis of unanimous decisions, an official of the Western alliance said in Brussels.

"It's literally impossible for NATO to take any action that's not agreed by all 28 allies," the official said.

(Writing by Dan Williams; Additional reporting by Ari Rabinovitch in Jerusalem, Seltem Iyigunl and Ibon Villelabeitia in Istanbul and David Brunnstrom in Brussels) Subscribe to *Apartheid On Parade*

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#2. To: Brian S (#0)

Turkey flexes.

Israel needs help.

A 12 hour Battle will not be to Israel's advantage.

Too bad that erdogan Assassination Attempt went awry....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   13:57:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mcgowanjm (#2)

Here is some discussion on the Turkey military I'm clipping from another sites discussion thread:

Remember that we're talking Turkey, and not some 3rd world country that tossed some AA guns on the deck of a fishing fleet and called it a Navy. Turkey has a larger Air Force than Israel does, with many of the same aircraft (and a whole bunch of F4 Phantoms that were modernized and upgraded by Israel itself). That Air Force is American trained and highly experienced. Turkey also has a modern Navy, highly trained alongside its NATO allies, that includes brand new missile frigates and stealth warships. Turkey, as a member of NATO, and Israel, as an ally of the United States, both have and use the same modern naval and aeriel warfare technology. They're the only two countries in the Middle East that really have a modern military.

Brian S  posted on  2011-09-09   15:28:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Brian S (#9)

Remember that we're talking Turkey, and not some 3rd world country that tossed some AA guns on the deck of a fishing fleet and called it a Navy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest standing armed force in NATO, after the U.S. Armed Forces, with a combined strength of just over a million uniformed personnel serving in its five branches. Turkey is considered to be the strongest military power of the Middle East region besides Israel.

Every fit male Turkish citizen otherwise not barred is required to serve in the military for a period ranging from three weeks to fifteen months, dependent on education and job location. Turkey does not recognise conscientious objection and does not offer a civilian alternative to military service.

Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands. A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tu.html

Military service age and obligation:

19-41 years of age for male compulsory military service; 18 years of age for voluntary service; 15 months conscript obligation for non-university graduates, 6-12 months for university graduates; women serve in the Turkish Armed Forces only as officers; reserve obligation to age 41 (2010)

Manpower available for military service:

males age 16-49: 21,079,077

females age 16-49: 20,558,696 (2010 est.)

Manpower fit for military service:

males age 16-49: 17,664,510

females age 16-49: 17,340,816 (2010 est.)

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-09   16:00:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#17. To: nolu chan (#11)

Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands. A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force.

40 nukes. For Turkey. Really?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09 16:08:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan (#11)

Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands. A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force.

This I did not know. Thank you for posting.

Brian S  posted on  2011-09-09 17:05:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan (#11)

A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force.

I'm kinda curious as to the veracity of this statement. Because it used to be (according to the treaty we have with them) that any foreign military materials that stay in their country over 89 days automatically becomes the property of the Turkish government!!!! We were constantly having to rotate all US aircraft out of the country before the 90th day and deploy new ones....

It's been quite awhile since I've been there, and I'm not sure if the treaty is still in affect or still written the same..... But having to constantly move that many nukes (50) on a regular basis is kinda foolish if you ask me.... You're taking a lot of unnecessary chances......

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