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Title: israel Wary At "Harsh" Turk Naval Challenge
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Published: Sep 9, 2011
Author: By Dan Williams
Post Date: 2011-09-09 13:35:36 by Brian S
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JERUSALEM | Fri Sep 9, 2011 12:56pm EDT (Reuters) - Israel will keep blockading Gaza in the face of Turkey's unprecedented naval challenge and is prepared for escalation though it seeks to calm the waters with its ex-ally, officials said on Friday. Deepening a crisis over Israel's killing last year of nine of their citizens aboard an aid flotilla that tried to reach the Palestinian enclave, the Turks vowed on Thursday to assign warships to escort such convoys in the future. The prospect of a showdown at sea with Turkey, a NATO power and fellow U.S. strategic partner in the region, rattled Israelis already long on edge given Arab political upheaval and Iran's nuclear program. Breaking an almost 24-hour-long silence on the warships announcement, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said Israeli policy "was and remains the prevention of deterioration in our ties with Turkey and easing the tensions between the countries." "The prime minister and cabinet discussed the various theoretical possibilities should escalation occur. But a decision on such will be made only if and when required." Confrontation did not appear imminent after the IHH, a Turkish Islamist charity that owned the Mavi Marmara cruise ship stormed by Israeli marines on May 31, 2010, said in Istanbul it had no plan "for now" to mount another Gaza mission. But Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan also pledged to boost naval patrols around easter Mediterranean gas fields being developed by Israel, a potential blow to the Netanyahu government's quest for energy independence. The Obama administration appealed for rapprochement. "We are encouraging both countries to find a way to work together to overcome their differences and restore at least some of the friendship that they previously had," U.S. Ambassador Dan Shapiro told Israel Radio. "SABER-RATTLING" They had tried to mend fences ahead of a U.N. report last week that deemed the blockade a legal means to stem the flow of arms to Gaza's governing Hamas and other Palestinian militants. Israel formally declared it during a 2008-2009 war with Hamas. Turkey argues that the naval closure amounts to illegal collective punishment of Gaza's impoverished 1.5 million Palestinians and conditioned reconciliation on it being lifted. "There is no intent to review the blockade as long as Hamas amasses missiles. This is a measure consistent with international law," said Yigal Palmor, spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry. The U.N. inquiry also called Israeli marines' gunfire in brawls aboard the Mavi Marmara "excessive and unreasonable" and the deaths caused "unacceptable." Israel voiced regret but rejected Ankara's demand for a formal apology and compensation. While Turkey's navy outclasses Israel's, the latter could make use of its advanced air force in any coastal face-off. Yet analysts saw them coming to blows as unlikely. [nL5E7K91B2] "The things Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said are harsh and serious, but I don't think it would be right to get into any verbal saber-rattling with him," Netanyahu deputy Dan Meridor told Israel's Army Radio. "Our silence is the best response. I hope this phenomenon will pass." Erdogan's forceful comments about the Eastern Mediterranean also prompted a warning from the European Union not to threaten EU-member Cyprus. Turkey is the only country that recognizes a separate Turkish-run state in Cyprus's northern third, which it invaded in 1974 in response to a Greek-inspired coup. "You know that Israel has begun to declare that it has the right to act in exclusive economic areas in the Mediterranean," Erdogan said. "You will see that it will not be the owner of this right, because Turkey, as the guarantor of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, has taken steps in the area, and it will be decisive and holding fast to the right to monitor international waters in the east Mediterranean." EU spokeswoman Maja Kocijancic said: "The EU urges Turkey to refrain from any kinds of threats, sources of friction that could negatively affect good neighborly relations and the peaceful settlement of border disputes." Any dispute between Turkey and Israel is unlikely to embroil NATO, which operates on the basis of unanimous decisions, an official of the Western alliance said in Brussels. "It's literally impossible for NATO to take any action that's not agreed by all 28 allies," the official said. (Writing by Dan Williams; Additional reporting by Ari Rabinovitch in Jerusalem, Seltem Iyigunl and Ibon Villelabeitia in Istanbul and David Brunnstrom in Brussels)
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Talk about triangulation...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Turkey flexes. Israel needs help. A 12 hour Battle will not be to Israel's advantage. Too bad that erdogan Assassination Attempt went awry....;}
The Only Nation to benefit from 9/11. Netanyahu: 9/11 is good, very good for Israel. Hey Krugman! Why don’t you tell people the real reason why the U.S. has a "deeply worrying" fiscal problem looming over the next couple of decades? Isn’t it really because we’ve got to pay for all these wars and all the militarism that we’ve been buying on credit? Be honest. It’s not future health care spending that’s the problem. It’s current and future military spending.
President Obama, if he really wanted to snap the U.S. out of recession rather than just enrich his banking industry campaign financiers, would immediately end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, shut down the 800-1000 overseas U.S. military bases, call for passage of a generous new GI Bill that would pay for all the returning troops to get college educations, or vocational training, and that would allow them to buy houses for their families, and he would slash military spending by half and use some of the savings to begin a program of economic conversion of military contractors. The savings from ending the wars and cutting defense spending by half -- about $375 billion a year beginning with the 2012 budget year--could be used to hire teachers, park rangers, health care workers for underserved areas, lifeguards for public pools and beaches, etc., etc. Now that’s deficit spending that actually would "help support a depressed economy." Does Paul Krugman know this? Of course he does. But we know who's been in charge since the Coup of 2000 and 9/11....;}
Just drop propellor operated mines out there ! I think they are called torpedos !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
They'd shoot Obama w/in hours of him making such a speech. And announce that Obama had been mis quoted.
I think they are called torpedos ! Israel runs out of options. But the apologists will go to the wall for the israelis. How many passports do you have, Boris!? ;}
OOOOooooh, not good, israel. Erdogan: Turkey warships will escort any future Gaza aid flotilla Reuters This time you'll actually have to fight a real live counter weight....not good....;} 12 hrs to win...not good at all;}
Here is some discussion on the Turkey military I'm clipping from another sites discussion thread: Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! I don't really understand this point. Could you explain further, please? I see Israel as incapable of a prolonged state of war or full mobilization. It can only fight a short war. Too many men off to the military only lasts a short while and then things head south for business back home. Israel possesses a unilateral nuclear threat against its Arab neighbors, but not against a NATO power. Israel does not want to tangle with the Turks. At best, Israel would emerge severely weakened. As a NATO member, the U.S. could hardly enter on behalf of Israel without fracturing the NATO alliance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey Every fit male Turkish citizen otherwise not barred is required to serve in the military for a period ranging from three weeks to fifteen months, dependent on education and job location. Turkey does not recognise conscientious objection and does not offer a civilian alternative to military service. Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands. A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tu.html Manpower available for military service: females age 16-49: 20,558,696 (2010 est.) Manpower fit for military service: females age 16-49: 17,340,816 (2010 est.)
IF the USSA/Israel don't 'win' in 12 hours, whatever they start, it's Game Over.
EXACTLY
This recent event may also be of significance. http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/07/2011729153617904781.html New Turkish land forces chief appointed after top commanders request early retirement over rift with government. Last Modified: 30 Jul 2011 04:12 General Isik Kosaner, the head of the Turkish armed forces, has quit along with the heads of the ground, naval and air forces. The country's state-run Anatolia news agency said on Friday that the military chiefs wanted to retire because of tensions with Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the recently re-elected prime minister. Anatolia reported Kosaner as resigning "as he saw it as necessary". In a written statement released after the news of the generals' retirement, Erdogan said that the armed forces would continue to do their duty in a spirit of unity. Erdogan also named General Necdet Ozel, head of the gendarmerie paramilitary force, as both the commander of the ground forces and acting chief of the armed forces. Abdullah Gul, the president, approved the appointment. Ozel was the only one among the top commanders not to ask for retirement. He was expected to be appointed as chief of the military's general staff in place of Kosaner, as tradition dictates only the ground forces head can take over the armed forces. Speaking to Al Jazeera, Yusuf Kanli, a columnist with Hurriyet, a Turkish daily newspaper, said that Kosaner was quitting his post as an act of protest against the court cases jailing military officers, which meant he could no longer defend the rights of his staff. [snip]
But Israel can not have nuclear weapons. The USSA says so. Or Int'l Law means might makes right....;}
It's ZATO. And Nothing that follows was any different 9/11, Ten years ago: Let’s have a look at the REAL situation in the financial system. 1) Greece is bankrupt. It has been for years. The market has finally stopped being moronic and figure out the obvious (so much for the “efficient” hypothesis). 2) Greece WILL default. This WILL crush German and French banks. 3) The EU in its current form (as well as the Euro) are DONE. 4) The US banking system is similarly fragile and on the verge of collapse. 5) The US economy is in a DE-pression and rolling over in a big way AGAIN. All the economic data is being massaged to look better than it is. Look around you, does the economy look OK to you? 6) The US Government is broke. Obama’s jobs plans is absurd. Where’s the money going to come from? 7) Bank of America (as well as the other TBTFs) is insolvent. The only reason they’re still in business is rampant fraud, lies, and theft. What’s happening in Greece is coming to them soon. 8) The Federal Reserve has lost control of the markets. QE 3, IF it comes, will accomplish nothing. Bernanke will be stepping down within 18 months and possibly facing legal battles. Those are ALL FACTS. That’s the deal. $1.5 Quadrillion Ponzi is now over. The $$$ not hidden. It's gone. The War of Terror takes a new leg up or is dismantled.
40 nukes. For Turkey. Really?
They were forced out. That's the end of the Erdogan Failed Assassination Attempt.
A Counter Coup by Erdogan has been completed. Israel has lost Lebanon at the least.
At a NATO HQ long, long ago, I recall NATO stood for Not Able To Organize.
Yes. I was thinking of the political effects. Erdogan now has hand-picked military leaders. And nothing unites a nation like little saber rattling or war. Israel has been messing about in very dangerous territory.
Israel is rapidly approaching a population reality in which the majority of the generations of non-Jews aren't going to know what it is that they are supposed to remember when they hear "Never Forget". And the American demographic is going to be more likely to apply that to 9/11 than WWII...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
This I did not know. Thank you for posting.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! Israeli ambassador attempting to escape from Egypt after the Israeli embassy attacked. I just saw that on a news flash on CNBC. Israeli government has appealed to the U.S. to help secure the embassy. Protesters broke into an apartment below the embassy and are throwing hebrew documents into the street and are working are breaking through a security wall.
I remember the English forcing my family to leave Ireland. 160 years ago. The Palestinians have the keys to the homes they were forced out of. Their land is kilometers away. Their Olive Trees destroyed by the day. They remember and that's the problem. And the Israelis can't kill them fast enough.
I'm kinda curious as to the veracity of this statement. Because it used to be (according to the treaty we have with them) that any foreign military materials that stay in their country over 89 days automatically becomes the property of the Turkish government!!!! We were constantly having to rotate all US aircraft out of the country before the 90th day and deploy new ones.... It's been quite awhile since I've been there, and I'm not sure if the treaty is still in affect or still written the same..... But having to constantly move that many nukes (50) on a regular basis is kinda foolish if you ask me.... You're taking a lot of unnecessary chances......
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
#3. To: All (#2)
#4. To: All (#3)
#5. To: mcgowanjm (#3)
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#6. To: All (#4)
#7. To: BorisY (#5)
Just drop propellor mines out there !
#8. To: Brian S (#0)
Any dispute between Turkey and Israel is unlikely to embroil NATO, which operates on the basis of unanimous decisions, an official of the Western alliance said in Brussels.
#9. To: mcgowanjm (#2)
#10. To: mcgowanjm (#2)
A 12 hour Battle will not be to Israel's advantage.
#11. To: Brian S (#9)
Remember that we're talking Turkey, and not some 3rd world country that tossed some AA guns on the deck of a fishing fleet and called it a Navy.
The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest standing armed force in NATO, after the U.S. Armed Forces, with a combined strength of just over a million uniformed personnel serving in its five branches. Turkey is considered to be the strongest military power of the Middle East region besides Israel.
Military service age and obligation:
19-41 years of age for male compulsory military service; 18 years of age for voluntary service; 15 months conscript obligation for non-university graduates, 6-12 months for university graduates; women serve in the Turkish Armed Forces only as officers; reserve obligation to age 41 (2010)
males age 16-49: 21,079,077
males age 16-49: 17,664,510
#12. To: nolu chan (#10)
A 12 hour Battle will not be to Israel's advantage.
#13. To: nolu chan (#10)
I see Israel as incapable of a prolonged state of war or full mobilization. It can only fight a short war. Too many men off to the military only lasts a short while and then things head south for business back home.
#14. To: Brian S, mcgowanjm (#9)
Turkey's top military leaders quit
#15. To: nolu chan (#10)
Israel possesses a unilateral nuclear threat against its Arab neighbors, but not against a NATO power. Israel does not want to tangle with the Turks. At best, Israel would emerge severely weakened.
#16. To: nolu chan (#10)
As a NATO member, the U.S. could hardly enter on behalf of Israel without fracturing the NATO alliance.
#17. To: nolu chan (#11)
Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands. A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force.
#18. To: nolu chan (#14)
#19. To: All (#18)
#20. To: mcgowanjm (#16)
ZATO
#21. To: mcgowanjm (#18)
That's the end of the Erdogan Failed Assassination Attempt.
#22. To: nolu chan (#21)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#23. To: nolu chan (#11)
Turkey is one of five NATO member states which are part of the nuclear sharing policy of the alliance, together with Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands. A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force.
#24. To: Brian S (#23)
#25. To: war (#22)
the majority of the generations of non-Jews aren't going to know what it is that they are supposed to remember when they hear "Never Forget"
#26. To: nolu chan (#11)
A total of 90 B61 nuclear bombs are hosted at the Incirlik Air Base, 40 of which are allocated for use by the Turkish Air Force.
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