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Title: Packing Heat (Debunking Manmade Global Warming)
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URL Source: http://spectator.org/archives/2011/09/07/packing-heat
Published: Sep 7, 2011
Author: Peter Ferrara
Post Date: 2011-09-07 20:07:33 by CZ82
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Packing Heat By Peter Ferrara on 9.7.11 @ 6:07AM The theory that human activity is causing potentially catastrophic global warming is not science. It is politics, driven by special interests with ideological, political and economic stakes in the theory. For environmentalists, global warming corresponds with the authoritarian goal at the core of their movement: repeal of the industrial revolution (which President Obama's EPA has begun to implement). For governments, it presents an opportunity to vastly expand their power and control through taxes, regulation and bureaucracy. The theory also presents an opportunity for the United Nations to vastly expand its power and control. As an organization of world governments who would also gain enormously from acceptance of the theory, the UN is doubly corrupted as an honest broker on the issue. Yet, perversely, governments across the globe have delegated authoritative inquiry on the issue to the UN through its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Wily environmentalists have also successfully weaved economic stakes in the theory for some in the business community, starting with tens of billions -- growing into hundreds of billions -- of government subsidies for businesses that will pose as potential producers of the "green energy of tomorrow." This enables wily politicians to attempt to snooker voters with promises of "green jobs." Of course, those jobs would only become available if self-supporting producers of abundant low cost energy are replaced with an entire "green" industry that can survive on corporate welfare while producing unreliable high cost energy for the economy (resulting in job loss and a decline in America's standard of living). What is so shocking is the way formerly objective, reliable Western science has been seduced by all these interests into intellectual corruption in service of the global warming fraud (less shocking when you consider the tens of billions in "research" funding provided by the above special interests). But don't forget that scientists live and breathe in the far left environment of the academic world. Thus, many of them have social and ideological interests in advancing the global warming charade. The confluence of all these special interests and their money has now corrupted the broader scientific community. Formerly venerable, objective, respected scientific bodies such as the National Academy of Sciences have been taken over by politicians in scientific drag. Formerly independent scientific journals and publications have gone the same route rather than suffer the social and financial opprobrium that service to the truth will entail. This growing intellectual corruption is greatly magnified by our thoroughly politicized Old Media, which operates today only in service of politically correct causes. Consequently, so much of the public discussion on global warming that we see is actually "play acting," with supposed scientists, journalists, media commentators, politicians and others posing as if objective science actually demonstrates the danger of human caused global warming. One day Al Gore will receive an Oscar for his role in posing as savior of the planet, which actually reflects delusional mental illness in the man who almost became our president. But the politicization of Western science means the decline of Western science as well. That in turn augurs the decline of Western civilization, as objective science was a foundation of the rise of the West for centuries. Climate Change Reconsidered But real, objective science continues to flourish at little noticed work stations, offices, and independent institutes and foundations across the globe. The budding international headquarters of this worldwide counterrevolution has now flowered at the Chicago based Heartland Institute, which bravely soldiered on in devotion to real climate science when even compatriots told them objectivity on this issue was a lost cause. In 2009, Heartland published the 858-page Climate Change Reconsidered, a comprehensive, dispassionate, thoroughly scientific refutation of the theory that human activity is causing global warming. That served as the first answer to the quadrennial Assessment Reports of the UN's IPCC. No one is knowledgeable about the true scientific debate over global warming until they have read and analyzed this thorough publication. Play acting commentators should be challenged for their response to this report, and publicly dismissed if they have none. On August 29, Heartland released a 400-page follow up report titled Climate Change Reconsidered, reflecting the same thorough, objective, dispassionate analysis of the theory of global warming, and updating the science and developments. Heartland will continue the pattern of presenting full scientific alternatives to the UN's IPCC Assessment Reports (AR), planning to produce another full report in 2013 when the next IPCC AR is expected. Heartland has also sponsored annual international scientific conferences on climate change, several of which I have attended. Hundreds of scientists from across the planet are now speaking out in opposition to the corruption of climate science. Among them are Fred Singer43;, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science at the University of Virginia, and the founder and first Director of the National Weather Satellite Service; Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology; Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, and U.S. Science Team Leader for the AMSR-E instrument flying on NASA's Aqua satellite; William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics at Princeton University; Syun-ichi Akasofu, Professor of Physics and former director of the International Arctic Research Center at the University of Alaska; Patrick Michaels43;, Research Professor of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia, and past President of the American Association of State Climatogists; and David Douglass, Professor of Physics at the University of Rochester. Physics icon Freeman Dyson43; expressed similar skepticism in the New York Times. These scientists are as good and as credentialed as any working on the UN's IPCC Assessment reports. The just released Interim Report concludes that "natural causes are very likely to be the dominant cause of the climate change that took place in the twentieth and the start of the twenty-first centuries. We are not saying that anthropogenic greenhouse gases (GHG) cannot produce some warming or have not in the past. Our conclusion is that the evidence shows they are not playing a substantial role." The authors add, "the net effect of continued warming and rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere is most likely to be beneficial to humans, plants, and wildlife." The Evidence Shows The theory of global warming holds that carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases produced by human civilization collect in the atmosphere. They let radiation from the sun in, but like a greenhouse they prevent the radiation from escaping back out, leading temperatures to increase, potentially to catastrophic levels. Humans cause CO2 emissions primarily by burning fossil fuels like oil, coal, natural gas, and wood, which was the foundation of the industrial revolution. But the established temperature record from the official sources is not consistent with this theory. Throughout the 20th century and into the 21st, CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions continually increased, yet temperatures did not steadily increase. Surface temperatures in the U.S. were warmer in the 1930s than they are today. From 1940 to the late 1970s, U.S. surface temperatures declined, despite all the increased burning of fossil fuels during that period, leaving no significant difference at that point from 1900. This decline actually prompted speculation at the time that a new ice age was coming. Surface temperatures then increased until the unrelated El Nino weather phenomenon in 1998, sponsoring the global warming hysteria. Since 1998, surface temperatures have actually declined again. More reliable and relevant is the satellite data on global atmospheric temperatures, which is not distorted by the location, coverage, and surrounding activities of land based weather stations (highly unreliable outside the U.S. and Europe), and covers the whole planet. The satellite data starts in 1979, and shows no increase in global temperature trends until 1998, when El Nino caused a sharp temperature spike. Since then the satellite data again shows that global atmospheric temperatures have declined. If supposed greenhouse gas emissions were causing global warming, then we should have seen a far more steady increase in temperatures. What the objective scientists are now saying is that this up and down pattern of temperature is far more consistent with natural causes. The temperature variation patterns follow variations in solar activity (like sunspots) and major ocean current temperature trends. For example, a major influence on global temperatures is what is known as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), which turns from warm to cold and back every 20 to 30 years, as cold water from deep in the ocean cycles up and is warmed by the sun. This PDO variation seems to follow closely with the actual temperature variation trends. Global temperatures were also warmer than today during the Medieval Warm Period, a period of several hundred years around 1000 A.D, when now icy Greenland was named and actually farmed by settlers (who long since fled as the cold and ice advanced). Even higher temperatures prevailed during a period known as the Holocene Climate Optimum, which ran roughly from 6000 B.C. to 3000 B.C. In fact, temperatures were higher than today during most of the period from 9000 B.C. to the birth of Christ. Yet, there was no significant human burning of fossil fuels during these periods. CO2 is a naturally occurring substance in the Earth's atmosphere essential to life. Plants need to take in CO2 to live, and emit oxygen, which is essential to animal life. Animals breathe in oxygen and emit CO2. Proxy records scientists use to reconstruct the past show that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 were much higher in the past than today. For hundreds of millions of years prior to 400 million years ago, atmospheric CO2 concentrations were well over 30 times greater than today. But CO2 concentrations have actually been in sharp decline since then. From roughly 50 million back to 350 million years ago, fluctuating CO2 concentrations were generally 3 to 15 times their current levels. Princeton's Happer argues that we have been suffering a CO2 famine that has harmed plant life and agriculture. CO2 concentrations have begun rising again, due primarily to the industrial revolution and increased burning of fossil fuels, up 44 percent from 150 years ago. And this is already causing more rapid growth of plant life. But CO2 still accounts for only 0.039 percent of all atmospheric molecules, less than 1 percent of the concentration in human breath. Moreover, humans and their activities currently account for only 3 percent of CO2 emissions each year. And less than half of the CO2 emitted by fossil fuel burning remains in the atmosphere; the rest is absorbed by the ocean or incorporated by the terrestrial biosphere. This is why policies to reduce human CO2 emissions such as the Kyoto treaty, even if fully implemented, would have negligible effects on future temperatures, reducing the temperatures that would otherwise result by 0.02 degrees C by 2050 for Kyoto, as conceded by even global warming alarmists. Marching Science Proves the Special Interests Wrong Real science continues to march on, despite the politicians and media flacks. Right now, scientific proofs are developing and being published that disprove the global warming theory. Published, peer reviewed papers by MIT's Lindzen find that a doubling of (CO2) in the atmosphere would increase temperatures by 0.7 degrees, less than half the estimate of the theoretical climate models relied on by the UN's IPCC. Another published paper by NASA's Spencer shows, using atmospheric temperature data from NASA's Terra satellite, that much more heat escapes back out to space than is assumed captured in the atmosphere by greenhouse effects under the UN's theoretical climate models. This explains why the warming temperature changes predicted by the UN's global warming models over the past 20 years have been so much greater than the actual measured temperature changes. Last month came the results of another major experiment by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), involving 63 scientists from 17 European and U.S. institutes. The results show that the sun's cosmic rays resulting from sunspots have a much greater effect on Earth's temperatures through their effect on cloud cover than the UN's IPCC has been assuming. More cosmic rays mean more cloud cover, which cools temperatures. Less cosmic rays mean less cloud cover, raising temperatures. This again shows what the NIPCC and Heartland have been saying, that natural causes have the dominant effect on Earth's temperatures, not greenhouse gases. Finally, the UN's own climate models project that if man's greenhouse gas emissions were causing global warming, there would be a particular pattern of temperature distribution in the atmosphere, which scientists call "the fingerprint." Temperatures in the troposphere portion of the atmosphere above the tropics would increase with altitude producing a "hotspot" near the top of the troposphere, about six miles above the earth's surface. Above that, in the stratosphere, there would be cooling. But higher quality temperature data from weather balloons and satellites now show just the opposite: no increasing warming with altitude in the tropical troposphere, but rather a slight cooling, with no hotspot and no fingerprint. QED.
Poster Comment: "Since 1998, surface temperatures have actually declined again."----- Well no shit, guess my weatherman isn't a moron after all!!!!
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Texas beats Hottest Summer ever by 2 degrees Avg. August 11 beats Old Record of July 11 as Hottest Month ever. PDSI -6 v Dust Bowl -3. Arctic on track for Lowest Ice Volume Ever. NorthEast Record Flood. More coming. We leave the Holocene. But Fundys don't even think the Holocene exists.
Post Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:40 am by mcgowanjm * FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR A DAM FAILURE ON THE ELK LAKE DAM ON THE ELK CREEK IN... WEST CENTRAL SUSQUEHANNA COUNTY IN NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA... * UNTIL 330 PM EDT THURSDAY... * AT 907 AM EDT...THE IMMINENT FAILURE OF ELK LAKE DAM WAS REPORTED BY COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. WATER IS CLOSE TO GOING OVER THE TOP OF THE DAM. Been wondering about those dams. How many power plants are dependent on them.
That's patently false. You would do yourself some good by ignoring those who think Roy Spencer knows what he is talking about. Tagline for sale - inquire within
OK, Lets say that you're right and we suffer from manmade global warming... What do you propose we do to stop it or reverse it (no party line rhetoric solutions)... A solution that won't kill a billion people!!!!
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
well, as we're seeing this year across the U.S., ignoring it has some consequence. I'd look at a carbon tax as a way of reducing emissions, I'd also heavily subsidize light-water nuclear reactors
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OK, Lets say that you're right and we suffer from manmade global warming... What do you propose we do to stop it or reverse it (no party line rhetoric solutions)... A solution that won't kill a billion people!!!! well, as we're seeing this year across the U.S., ignoring it has some consequence. I'd look at a carbon tax as a way of reducing emissions, I'd also heavily subsidize light-water nuclear reactors It has been warmer in earths history than it is right now and CO2 levels were also lower....... The first is just part of the party line rhetoric to take all your money from you... The second isn't going to happen until you get rid of all the Dumbassocrats currently in office, they don't like nuclear reactors either..... If what they say is "actually true" and "I seriously doubt it", then you are going to have to do some drastic cutting in CO2 emissions and all of the other emissions that "Supposedly" contribute to it...... Like cutting way, way back in fossil fuel usage...... And if you do that then were are you going to start???? No more flying planes??? No more driving Heavy equipment or trucks??? NO more usage of farm implements???? No more driving of personal vehicles??? So what will that accomplish other than make it impossible for people to make a living (starve to death) or grow enough food to feed the people of the planet (they starve to death)...... And because of the "CONSTANTLY" growing population of people and animals who inhabit this Earth that exhale CO2 with every breath, what are you gonna do with them?????? Mass executions????? Just let them starve to death???? (I don't phucking think so, but wouldn't put the thought past the Dumbassocrats)!!! Now.... lets say they manage to halt the warming process.... Who is too say they didn't go too far and send the Earth into a trend of global cooling... And if the Earth does go into a trend of global cooloing past history shows that people die because the crops won't grow correctly!!!!! Plants live off of CO2 ya know!!!! Do you see where I'm going with this??? Most of what I've heard from the believers is just foolish rhetoric because they haven't "ACTUALLY" proved there is a problem and they have no plan to "ACTUALLY" fix the supposed problem "CORRECTLY".... All they have put forth is ways to take your money for no reason!!!!!!
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Sure, but that doesn't mean that the "current" warming isn't due to rising CO2 levels. Global warming science is pretty simple: 1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas 2. Atmospheric CO2 is rapidly increasing as a result of human activity (burning of fossil fuels) 3. Rapid warming over the last 30 years directly correlates #2 Construction on four new nuclear reactors begins this year (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/04/us-utilities-nuclear-spcall-idUSTRE74344U20110504), the first ones since 1990. Democrats aren't as beholden to the oil/gas industry as Republicans.
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You're attempting to introduce reason and logic, when goober56 is following the "green" religion. There is no room for reality, in his religion.
To:Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro From: Capitalist Eric Message: You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD. Global warming science is pretty simple: And it also doesn't mean that it is either, it hasn't been "PROVEN", it's only "SUPPOSITION"!!!! Not everybody in the scientific community agree that we are going through Manmade Global warming. Right now it's about 50-50 with more everyday coming out and saying the science behind it is flawed... (guess they are getting embarrassed or trying to stay out of jail when 2013 comes around)... And not everywhere on the face of this planet is going through a warming trend, some areas are going through a cooling trend. So saying that the entire planet is warming up is not true!!!!! Also it was warmer on Earth in the 1930s than it is right now and CO2 levels were lower!!!!! If you want someone to blame for global warming why not blame Mother Nature, maybe she's having her period!!! Earth has a history of warming and cooling all on it's own courtesy of Mother Nature and her moods, not what man has done in the last century.... If Mother Nature wanted us gone she could easily accomplish it in just a few days and there would be nothing anybody could do about it.......
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Well someone has to try..... We may have all been born stupid but that doesn't mean we have to stay that way, even though others want us to remain that way..... In fact most of the stupidest people on the planet are politicians, (Ivy League) so go figure!!!! I've never figured out why some people would want to spend all of that time and money going to an Ivy League school to learn how to be a total dumbass!!!!!
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Here is more evidence that man-made climate change is a bunch of bunk: 800,000 Years of Abrupt Climate Variability: Earth's Climate Is Capable of Very Rapid Transitions
800,000 Years of Abrupt Climate Variability: Earth's Climate Is Capable of Very Rapid Transitions So I'm curious if the Leftards would try to pin the blame on Manmade Global Warming if the magnetic poles were to change????
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
One of the big issues here is human hubris. 100 years ago, Progressives thought that they could use eugenics to rid the human race of "morons". They scientifically "proved" it. They tried to do this in the U.S. with forced sterilizations. Hitler took it a step further. 80 years ago when penicillin was created, various "experts" thought that we would soon rid the world of all disease. Unfortunately, the bugs are fighting back and penicillin and other antibiotics are becoming ineffective against new strains of bacteria. In the 1960s, "experts" thought that we soon figure out the "logic" that the human brain follows and create computers that can think like people. They claimed that just around the corner would be computers that could translate one language to another in real-time (as it was spoken, like Star Trek). Here we are 50 years later and we still don't have this. Why? Because the human brain doesn't operate using traditional mathematical logic, as they claimed in the 1960s. Today the "experts" tell us that human made "green house gases" are going to destroy life on earth in a few decades or 100 years or whatever. Fortunately for us, the earth is way more complicated than can be currently modeled on even the fastest super computers. As a result, the "experts" will be proven wrong once again. Here is my simple model of the human condition. I've used this for 20 years in a professional setting to get people to think: 1.) You know what you know #3 is 99.999% of the model, yet most people don't even know that #3 exists. People assume that everything falls into #1 or #2. This is why everything that we are so certain about at any given point in time ultimately comes crashing down around us.
#3 is 99.999% of the model, yet most people don't even know that #3 exists. Even if they knew #3 existed most people won't admit that it does exist... Because they think they know "EVERYTHING".....
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Which is even worse. As I said at the top of the post -- a big problem here is human hubris. As a species, we are so arrogant that we think we know everything or will soon know everything. The really, really smart people understand that the more they learn, they less they actually know about the world around them. Al Gore is NOT a really, really smart person. In my profession, there is an expression about "knowing just enough to be dangerous". That's Al Gore. He knows just that much. He is dangerous to the survival of the human race.
Yea, we use the same expression in mine too.....
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Good point. There is geological evidence that the magnetic polls have completely reversed in the past. They've reversed several times. During the period right before the shift, the Ozone layer somehow thins out. Today, the North Poll is drifting. Magnetic North is not true North today and it is changing. We can measure the change. Here's the question: does it continue to drift slowly, or does it get to a tipping point and then quickly shift? The evidence is for the tipping point and a quick shift. No, this is not the same as "polar shift" in the 2012 fantasy.
I've heard/read the same thing, but I don't know if I agree with them shifting quickly.... When was the last time you seen a woman do something quickly other than spend your money?????
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Is that the one they are saying is coming on December 21st, 2012???
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
98% of climate scientists support the idea that human activity is warming the planet as a result of rising CO2 emissions. where there is still much debate is on the speed of warming and the impact, but few dispute that the planet is warming as a result of human activity. There's just nothing else other than rising CO2 to explain the rapid warming over the last 30 years.
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Yep. The Mayan calendar ends on Dec 21, 2012. One fantasy is that the earth's crust will quickly spin over the mantle such that the land mass that was at the North Pole will be at the South Pole, etc. It's nonsense, but it did make for a really fun movie: This nonsense doesn't have anything to do with earth's magnetic field reversing, which has happened many times in the past.
Looks like it's got some pretty good special effects..... I don't remember seeing this when it was released, too much gin I guess.... LOL...
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
The special effects were unbelievable. The best ever. It was a fun movie, but complete scientific nonsense.
U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 Posted By Marc Morano - Marc_Morano@EPW.Senate.Gov - 9:47 AM ET Update: U. S. Senate Minority Report: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims - Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008 - Released: December 11, 2008 - Link to Updated 2008 Full 231 Page PDF Report U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 Senate Report Debunks "Consensus" Complete U.S. Senate Report Now Available: (LINK) Complete Report w/out Intro: (LINK) UPDATE: Former Vice President Al Gore responds to Senate report within hours of release. (LINK) UPDATE: 2/22/08: Senate report impacting climate debate. Sampling of international coverage of report: UK Telegraph; Boston Herald; Canada’s National Post; New York Times; Fox News; CNNMoney.com; Human Events; Croatia’s Javno; The Cincinnati Enquirer; WorldNetDaily.com; United Press International (UPI); Spero News; New Zealand Herald; CNSNews.com; Real Clear Politics; PA’s Morning Call; Investor's Business Daily; Philippine’s Manila Standard; Colorado Springs Gazette; Canada Free Press; Belfast Telegraph; Newsmax.com; CA’s Orange County Register; Nashua Telegraph; Yahoo News; & Australia’s Herald Sun; UPDATE: IMPACT: Scientist ponders reconsidering his view of man-made climate fears after Senate report of 400 scientists (LINK) INTRODUCTION: Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee’s office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007. Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bite the dust.” (LINK) In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement. (LINK) This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new “consensus busters” report is poised to redefine the debate. Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution. Atmospheric scientist Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, author of almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, explains how many of his fellow scientists have been intimidated. “Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media,” Paldor wrote. [Note: See also July 2007 Senate report detailing how skeptical scientists have faced threats and intimidation - LINK ] Scientists from Around the World Dissent This new report details how teams of international scientists are dissenting from the UN IPCC’s view of climate science. In such nations as Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, Russia, Argentina, New Zealand and France, nations, scientists banded together in 2007 to oppose climate alarmism. In addition, over 100 prominent international scientists sent an open letter in December 2007 to the UN stating attempts to control climate were “futile.” (LINK) Paleoclimatologist Dr. Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a “consensus” of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false. “I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority.” This new committee report, a first of its kind, comes after the UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri implied that there were only “about a dozen" skeptical scientists left in the world. (LINK) Former Vice President Gore has claimed that scientists skeptical of climate change are akin to “flat Earth society members” and similar in number to those who “believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona.” (LINK) & (LINK) The distinguished scientists featured in this new report are experts in diverse fields, including: climatology; geology; biology; glaciology; biogeography; meteorology; oceanography; economics; chemistry; mathematics; environmental sciences; engineering; physics and paleoclimatology. Some of those profiled have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contribution to their field of expertise and many shared a portion of the UN IPCC Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Gore. Additionally, these scientists hail from prestigious institutions worldwide, including: Harvard University; NASA; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Massachusetts Institute of Technology; the UN IPCC; the Danish National Space Center; U.S. Department of Energy; Princeton University; the Environmental Protection Agency; University of Pennsylvania; Hebrew University of Jerusalem; the International Arctic Research Centre; the Pasteur Institute in Paris; the Belgian Weather Institute; Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute; the University of Helsinki; the National Academy of Sciences of the U.S., France, and Russia; the University of Pretoria; University of Notre Dame; Stockholm University; University of Melbourne; Columbia University; the World Federation of Scientists; and the University of London. The voices of many of these hundreds of scientists serve as a direct challenge to the often media-hyped “consensus” that the debate is “settled.” A May 2007 Senate report detailed scientists who had recently converted from believers in man-made global warming to skepticism. [See May 15, 2007 report: Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics: Growing Number of Scientists Convert to Skeptics After Reviewing New Research – (LINK) - In addition, an August 2007 report detailed how proponents of man-made global warming fears enjoy a monumental funding advantage over skeptical scientists. (LINK) ] This report counters the claims made by the promoters of man-made global warming fears that the number of skeptical scientists is dwindling. Examples of “consensus” claims made by promoters of man-made climate fears: Former Vice President Al Gore (November 5, 2007): “There are still people who believe that the Earth is flat.” (LINK) Gore also compared global warming skeptics to people who "believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona." (June 20, 2006 - LINK) CNN’s Miles O’Brien (July 23, 2007): "The scientific debate is over," O'Brien said. “We're done." O’Brien also declared on CNN on February 9, 2006 that scientific skeptics of man-made catastrophic global warming “are bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry, usually.” (LINK) On July 27, 2006, Associated Press reporter Seth Borenstein described a scientist as “one of the few remaining scientists skeptical of the global warming harm caused by industries that burn fossil fuels.” (LINK) Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, Chairman of the IPCC view on the number of skeptical scientists as quoted on Feb. 20, 2003: “About 300 years ago, a Flat Earth Society was founded by those who did not believe the world was round. That society still exists; it probably has about a dozen members.” (LINK) Agence France-Press (AFP Press) article (December 4, 2007): The article noted that a prominent skeptic “finds himself increasingly alone in his claim that climate change poses no imminent threat to the planet.” Andrew Dessler in the eco-publication Grist Magazine (November 21, 2007): “While some people claim there are lots of skeptical climate scientists out there, if you actually try to find one, you keep turning up the same two dozen or so (e.g., Singer, Lindzen, Michaels, Christy, etc., etc.). These skeptics are endlessly recycled by the denial machine, so someone not paying close attention might think there are lots of them out there -- but that's not the case." (LINK) The Washington Post asserted on May 23, 2006 that there were only “a handful of skeptics” of man-made climate fears. (LINK) UN special climate envoy Dr. Gro Harlem Brundtland on May 10, 2007 declared the climate debate "over" and added “it's completely immoral, even, to question” the UN’s scientific “consensus." (LINK) The UN Framework Convention on Climate Change Executive Secretary Yvo de Boer said it was “criminally irresponsible” to ignore the urgency of global warming on November 12, 2007. (LINK) ABC News Global Warming Reporter Bill Blakemore reported on August 30, 2006: “After extensive searches, ABC News has found no such [scientific] debate” on global warming. (LINK) # # Brief highlights of the report featuring over 400 international scientists: Israel: Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has authored almost 70 peer- reviewed studies and won several awards. “First, temperature changes, as well as rates of temperature changes (both increase and decrease) of magnitudes similar to that reported by IPCC to have occurred since the Industrial revolution (about 0.8C in 150 years or even 0.4C in the last 35 years) have occurred in Earth's climatic history. There's nothing special about the recent rise!” Russia: Russian scientist Dr. Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences has authored more than 300 studies, nine books, and a 2006 paper titled “The Evolution and the Prediction of Global Climate Changes on Earth.” “Even if the concentration of ‘greenhouse gases’ double man would not perceive the temperature impact,” Sorochtin wrote. (Note: Name also sometimes translated to spell Sorokhtin) Spain: Anton Uriarte, a professor of Physical Geography at the University of the Basque Country in Spain and author of a book on the paleoclimate, rejected man-made climate fears in 2007. “There's no need to be worried. It's very interesting to study [climate change], but there's no need to be worried,” Uriate wrote. Netherlands: Atmospheric scientist Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, a scientific pioneer in the development of numerical weather prediction and former director of research at The Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute, and an internationally recognized expert in atmospheric boundary layer processes, “I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting – a six-meter sea level rise, fifteen times the IPCC number – entirely without merit,” Tennekes wrote. “I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached." Brazil: Chief Meteorologist Eugenio Hackbart of the MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center in Sao Leopoldo – Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil declared himself a skeptic. “The media is promoting an unprecedented hyping related to global warming. The media and many scientists are ignoring very important facts that point to a natural variation in the climate system as the cause of the recent global warming,” Hackbart wrote on May 30, 2007. France: Climatologist Dr. Marcel Leroux, former professor at Université Jean Moulin and director of the Laboratory of Climatology, Risks, and Environment in Lyon, is a climate skeptic. Leroux wrote a 2005 book titled Global Warming – Myth or Reality? - The Erring Ways of Climatology. “Day after day, the same mantra - that ‘the Earth is warming up’ - is churned out in all its forms. As ‘the ice melts’ and ‘sea level rises,’ the Apocalypse looms ever nearer! Without realizing it, or perhaps without wishing to, the average citizen in bamboozled, lobotomized, lulled into mindless acceptance. ... Non-believers in the greenhouse scenario are in the position of those long ago who doubted the existence of God ... fortunately for them, the Inquisition is no longer with us!” Norway: Geologist/Geochemist Dr. Tom V. Segalstad, a professor and head of the Geological Museum at the University of Oslo and formerly an expert reviewer with the UN IPCC: “It is a search for a mythical CO2 sink to explain an immeasurable CO2 lifetime to fit a hypothetical CO2 computer model that purports to show that an impossible amount of fossil fuel burning is heating the atmosphere. It is all a fiction.” Finland: Dr. Boris Winterhalter, retired Senior Marine Researcher of the Geological Survey of Finland and former professor of marine geology at University of Helsinki, criticized the media for what he considered its alarming climate coverage. “The effect of solar winds on cosmic radiation has just recently been established and, furthermore, there seems to be a good correlation between cloudiness and variations in the intensity of cosmic radiation. Here we have a mechanism which is a far better explanation to variations in global climate than the attempts by IPCC to blame it all on anthropogenic input of greenhouse gases." Germany: Paleoclimate expert Augusto Mangini of the University of Heidelberg in Germany, criticized the UN IPCC summary. “I consider the part of the IPCC report, which I can really judge as an expert, i.e. the reconstruction of the paleoclimate, wrong,” Mangini noted in an April 5, 2007 article. He added: “The earth will not die.” Canada: IPCC 2007 Expert Reviewer Madhav Khandekar, a Ph.D meteorologist, a scientist with the Natural Resources Stewardship Project who has over 45 years experience in climatology, meteorology and oceanography, and who has published nearly 100 papers, reports, book reviews and a book on Ocean Wave Analysis and Modeling: “To my dismay, IPCC authors ignored all my comments and suggestions for major changes in the FOD (First Order Draft) and sent me the SOD (Second Order Draft) with essentially the same text as the FOD. None of the authors of the chapter bothered to directly communicate with me (or with other expert reviewers with whom I communicate on a regular basis) on many issues that were raised in my review. This is not an acceptable scientific review process.” Czech Republic: Czech-born U.S. climatologist Dr. George Kukla, a research scientist with the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University, expressed climate skepticism in 2007. “The only thing to worry about is the damage that can be done by worrying. Why are some scientists worried? Perhaps because they feel that to stop worrying may mean to stop being paid,” Kukla told Gelf Magazine on April 24, 2007. India: One of India's leading geologists, B.P. Radhakrishna, President of the Geological Society of India, expressed climate skepticism in 2007. “We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global warming is nothing new. It has happened in the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial- interglacial cycles.” USA: Climatologist Robert Durrenberger, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists, and one of the climatologists who gathered at Woods Hole to review the National Climate Program Plan in July, 1979: “Al Gore brought me back to the battle and prompted me to do renewed research in the field of climatology. And because of all the misinformation that Gore and his army have been spreading about climate change I have decided that ‘real’ climatologists should try to help the public understand the nature of the problem.” Italy: Internationally renowned scientist Dr. Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists and a retired Professor of Advanced Physics at the University of Bologna in Italy, who has published over 800 scientific papers: “Significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming." New Zealand: IPCC reviewer and climate researcher and scientist Dr. Vincent Gray, an expert reviewer on every single draft of the IPCC reports going back to 1990 and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of "Climate Change 2001: “The [IPCC] ‘Summary for Policymakers’ might get a few readers, but the main purpose of the report is to provide a spurious scientific backup for the absurd claims of the worldwide environmentalist lobby that it has been established scientifically that increases in carbon dioxide are harmful to the climate. It just does not matter that this ain't so.” South Africa: Dr. Kelvin Kemm, formerly a scientist at South Africa’s Atomic Energy Corporation who holds degrees in nuclear physics and mathematics: “The global-warming mania continues with more and more hype and less and less thinking. With religious zeal, people look for issues or events to blame on global warming.” Poland: Physicist Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, Chairman of the Central Laboratory for the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Radiological Protection in Warsaw: “We thus find ourselves in the situation that the entire theory of man-made global warming—with its repercussions in science, and its important consequences for politics and the global economy—is based on ice core studies that provided a false picture of the atmospheric CO2 levels.” Australia: Prize-wining Geologist Dr. Ian Plimer, a professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide in Australia: "There is new work emerging even in the last few weeks that shows we can have a very close correlation between the temperatures of the Earth and supernova and solar radiation.” Britain: Dr. Richard Courtney, a UN IPCC expert reviewer and a UK-based climate and atmospheric science consultant: “To date, no convincing evidence for AGW (anthropogenic global warming) has been discovered. And recent global climate behavior is not consistent with AGW model predictions.” China: Chinese Scientists Say C02 Impact on Warming May Be ‘Excessively Exaggerated’ – Scientists Lin Zhen-Shan’s and Sun Xian’s 2007 study published in the peer-reviewed journal Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics: "Although the CO2 greenhouse effect on global climate change is unsuspicious, it could have been excessively exaggerated." Their study asserted that "it is high time to reconsider the trend of global climate change.” Denmark: Space physicist Dr. Eigil Friis-Christensen is the director of the Danish National Space Centre, a member of the space research advisory committee of the Swedish National Space Board, a member of a NASA working group, and a member of the European Space Agency who has authored or co-authored around 100 peer-reviewed papers and chairs the Institute of Space Physics: “The sun is the source of the energy that causes the motion of the atmosphere and thereby controls weather and climate. Any change in the energy from the sun received at the Earth’s surface will therefore affect climate.” Belgium: Climate scientist Luc Debontridder of the Belgium Weather Institute’s Royal Meteorological Institute (RMI) co-authored a study in August 2007 which dismissed a decisive role of CO2 in global warming: "CO2 is not the big bogeyman of climate change and global warming. “Not CO2, but water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It is responsible for at least 75 % of the greenhouse effect. This is a simple scientific fact, but Al Gore's movie has hyped CO2 so much that nobody seems to take note of it.” Sweden: Geologist Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, professor emeritus of the Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology at Stockholm University, critiqued the Associated Press for hyping promoting climate fears in 2007. “Another of these hysterical views of our climate. Newspapers should think about the damage they are doing to many persons, particularly young kids, by spreading the exaggerated views of a human impact on climate.” USA: Dr. David Wojick is a UN IPCC expert reviewer, who earned his PhD in Philosophy of Science and co-founded the Department of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie-Mellon University: “In point of fact, the hypothesis that solar variability and not human activity is warming the oceans goes a long way to explain the puzzling idea that the Earth's surface may be warming while the atmosphere is not. The GHG (greenhouse gas) hypothesis does not do this.” Wojick added: “The public is not well served by this constant drumbeat of false alarms fed by computer models manipulated by advocates.” # # # Background: Only 52 Scientists Participated in UN IPCC Summary The over 400 skeptical scientists featured in this new report outnumber by nearly eight times the number of scientists who participated in the 2007 UN IPCC Summary for Policymakers. The notion of “hundreds” or “thousands” of UN scientists agreeing to a scientific statement does not hold up to scrutiny. (See report debunking “consensus” LINK) Recent research by Australian climate data analyst John McLean revealed that the IPCC’s peer-review process for the Summary for Policymakers leaves much to be desired. (LINK) & (LINK) (Note: The 52 scientists who participated in the 2007 IPCC Summary for Policymakers had to adhere to the wishes of the UN political leaders and delegates in a process described as more closely resembling a political party’s convention platform battle, not a scientific process - LINK) Proponents of man-made global warming like to note how the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) and the American Meteorological Society (AMS) have issued statements endorsing the so-called "consensus" view that man is driving global warming. But both the NAS and AMS never allowed member scientists to directly vote on these climate statements. Essentially, only two dozen or so members on the governing boards of these institutions produced the "consensus" statements. This report gives a voice to the rank-and-file scientists who were shut out of the process. (LINK) The most recent attempt to imply there was an overwhelming scientific “consensus” in favor of man-made global warming fears came in December 2007 during the UN climate conference in Bali. A letter signed by only 215 scientists urged the UN to mandate deep cuts in carbon dioxide emissions by 2050. But absent from the letter were the signatures of these alleged “thousands” of scientists. (See AP article: - LINK ) UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri urged the world at the December 2007 UN climate conference in Bali, Indonesia to "Please listen to the voice of science.” The science has continued to grow loud and clear in 2007. In addition to the growing number of scientists expressing skepticism, an abundance of recent peer- reviewed studies have cast considerable doubt about man-made global warming fears. A November 3, 2007 peer-reviewed study found that “solar changes significantly alter climate.” (LINK) A December 2007 peer-reviewed study recalculated and halved the global average surface temperature trend between 1980 – 2002. (LINK) Another new study found the Medieval Warm Period “0.3C warmer than 20th century” (LINK) A peer-reviewed study by a team of scientists found that "warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence." (LINK) – Another November 2007 peer- reviewed study in the journal Physical Geography found “Long-term climate change is driven by solar insolation changes.” (LINK ) These recent studies were in addition to the abundance of peer-reviewed studies earlier in 2007. - See "New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global Warming Fears" (LINK ) With this new report of profiling 400 skeptical scientists, the world can finally hear the voices of the “silent majority” of scientists. LINKS TO COMPLETE U.S. SENATE REPORT: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007 Complete Report: (LINK) - Released December 20, 2007 - U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (Minority) Complete Report w/out Intro: (LINK) # # # Related Links: Breakdown Of Key Points Debunking Cilmate Fears Analysis of how Hollywood Is Promoting Climate Fears to Kids Analysis of Costly "Solutions" to Global Warming Over 100 Prominent Scientists Warn UN Against 'Futile' Climate Control Efforts Skeptical Scientists Urge World To ‘Have the Courage to Do Nothing' At UN Conference NEW SENATE CAP-AND-TRADE BILL CALLED ALL ‘ECONOMIC PAIN FOR NO CLIMATE GAIN' Debunking The So-Called 'Consensus' On Global Warming Scientists Counter AP Article Promoting Computer Model Climate Fears New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global Warming Fears Newsweek's Climate Editorial Screed Violates Basic Standards of Journalism Newsweek Editor Calls Mag's Global Warming 'Deniers' Article 'Highly Contrived' Latest Scientific Studies Refute Fears of Greenland Melt EPA to Probe E-mail Threatening to ‘Destroy' Career of Climate Skeptic Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics Senator Inhofe declares climate momentum shifting away from Gore (The Politico op ed) Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC Debate Global Warming on Mars & Cosmic Ray Research Are Shattering Media Driven "Consensus' Global Warming: The Momentum has Shifted to Climate Skeptics
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
I'll debunk point one, but then I'm done, I'm not going waste time debunking stuff that's already been debunked hundreds of times. OK, point 1: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/Data_Set_for_web_viewing.pdf http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/inhofes_list_of_prominent_scie.php You can read up on the rest of the points yourself here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
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One last "inconvenient" point and then I'm done..... What was the first manmade thing that was going to kill us before (MGW) Manmade Global Warming??? Answer--- (MGC) Manmade Global Cooling!!! What would MGC do to us???? Answer--- Lower the temperature of the Earths atmosphere to the point where plants and crops wouldn't grow correctly or even put us into another Ice Age..... (I.E. kill off a large part of the Earths population).... What is the cause of MGC??? Answer--- Greenhouse gases!!! (Sound familiar)??? What did the government do to combat MGC???? Answer---The government came out with higher pollution and gas mileage standards for vehicles.... Made higher pollution standards for Industry... Did away with some Refrigerants and are "Currently" in the process of phasing out even more of them..... Changed the chemical makeup of aerosol products.... In essence controlling greenhouse gases...... (Sound familiar)??? It should if you're a true believer of MGW.... So, if we are actually in a period of MGW as some people contend, then how did we get here (Mother nature maybe)????? Did the governments solution to MGC get us to this point??? And if the governments solution to MGC "DID" get us to this point, then why is the governments solution to MGW the exact same as the governments solution to MGC????????????????? (It makes no sense whatsoever).... How can doing the exact same thing fix both problems????? Is it because the scientific community has no clue what it is doing???? OR... Is it because the government (who supports the majority of the scientific community with government grants) is making the scientific community create these "DISASTER" theories, to get the public to buy into them so they can take all of their money for a fools errand????? The answer is there is a fool born every minute, and your federal government is taking advantage of that fact to further their agenda of increasing their "GRIP" on your throat...... I hope you like it because you are helping them do it to you!!!!! I mean if you believe in MGW then you should believe in MGC too!!!!! Now back to the question I asked you before, how do you propose to fix MGW without killing a billion people or more????? And when I actually see those reactors online and being fully utilized then and only then will I believe the Dumbassocrats will allow the utilization of "BAD, BAD, BAD" nuclear power......
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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The climate doom cult preachers, throughout the millennia, have used climate hysteria to control and fleece the masses. The very fact that today’s tyrant types are still employing this ancient form of intimidation demonstrates their complete disdain for those they deem "primitives". The lying, self-appointed ruling class is no more sophisticated a mentality than they were millennia ago. They are the disgusting, criminal, primitives of our time.
#2. To: CZ82 (#0)
#3. To: CZ82 (#0)
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More reliable and relevant is the satellite data on global atmospheric temperatures, which is not distorted by the location, coverage, and surrounding activities of land based weather stations (highly unreliable outside the U.S. and Europe), and covers the whole planet. The satellite data starts in 1979, and shows no increase in global temperature trends until 1998, when El Nino caused a sharp temperature spike. Since then the satellite data again shows that global atmospheric temperatures have declined.
#4. To: go65 (#3)
That's patently false. You would do yourself some good by ignoring those who think Roy Spencer knows what he is talking about.
#5. To: CZ82 (#4)
OK, Lets say that you're right and we suffer from manmade global warming... What do you propose we do to stop it or reverse it (no party line rhetoric solutions)... A solution that won't kill a billion people!!!!
#6. To: go65 (#5)
#7. To: CZ82 (#6)
It has been warmer in earths history than it is right now and CO2 levels were also lower.......
The second isn't going to happen until you get rid of all the Dumbassocrats currently in office, they don't like nuclear reactors either.....
#8. To: CZ82 (#6)
Do you see where I'm going with this??? Most of what I've heard from the believers is just foolish rhetoric because they haven't "ACTUALLY" proved there is a problem and they have no plan to "ACTUALLY" fix the supposed problem "CORRECTLY".... All they have put forth is ways to take your money for no reason!!!!!!
#9. To: go65 (#7)
Sure, but that doesn't mean that the "current" warming isn't due to rising CO2 levels.
#10. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)
You're attempting to introduce reason and logic,
#11. To: CZ82 (#0)
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Anything that the government does today to help us can and will be used in the future to hurt us -- jwpegler
#12. To: jwpegler (#11)
Here is more evidence that man-made climate change is a bunch of bunk:
#13. To: CZ82, capitalist eric, go65 (#0)
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2.) You know what you don't know
3.) You don't know what you don't know
Anything that the government does today to help us can and will be used in the future to hurt us -- jwpegler
#14. To: jwpegler (#13)
1.) You know what you know 2.) You know what you don't know 3.) You don't know what you don't know
#15. To: CZ82 (#14)
Even if they knew #3 existed most people won't admit that it does exist... Because they think they know "EVERYTHING".....
Anything that the government does today to help us can and will be used in the future to hurt us -- jwpegler
#16. To: jwpegler (#15)
In my profession, there is an expression about "knowing just enough to be dangerous".
#17. To: CZ82 (#12)
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So I'm curious if the Leftards would try to pin the blame on Manmade Global Warming if the magnetic poles were to change????
Anything that the government does today to help us can and will be used in the future to hurt us -- jwpegler
#18. To: jwpegler (#17)
Here's the question: does it continue to drift slowly, or does it get to a tipping point and then quickly shift? The evidence is for the tipping point and a quick shift.
#19. To: jwpegler (#17)
No, this is not the same as "polar shift" in the 2012 fantasy.
#20. To: CZ82 (#9)
Not everybody in the scientific community agree that we are going through Manmade Global warming.
#21. To: CZ82 (#19)
Is that the one they are saying is coming on December 21st, 2012???
Anything that the government does today to help us can and will be used in the future to hurt us -- jwpegler
#22. To: jwpegler (#21)
It's nonsense, but it did make for a really fun movie:
#23. To: CZ82 (#22)
Looks like it's got some pretty good special effects.....
Anything that the government does today to help us can and will be used in the future to hurt us -- jwpegler
#24. To: go65 (#20)
98% of climate scientists support the idea that human activity is warming the planet as a result of rising CO2 emissions
#25. To: CZ82 (#24)
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U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007
CFI’s Office of Public Policy undertook an assessment of the 687 people listed as “dissenting scientists” in the January 2009 version of the ‘Inhofe list’. Their conclusions:
Slightly fewer than 10 percent could be identified as climate scientists.
Approximately 15 percent published in the recognizable refereed literature on subjects related to climate science.
Approximately 80 percent clearly had no refereed publication record on climate science at all.
Approximately 4 percent appeared to favor the current IPCC-2007 consensus and should not have been on the list.
One of the listed prominent scientists is Chris Allen, who holds no college degree, believes in creationism and belongs to a Southern Baptist church.
Allen is a weatherman at the FOX-affiliated TV station in Bowling Green, Ky.
On pages 227-228 of the report, Inhofe identified Allen as a meteorologist and quoted from his “scientific writing”—a blog—about global warming.
#26. To: go65 (#25)
I'll debunk point one, but then I'm done, I'm not going waste time debunking stuff that's already been debunked hundreds of times.
#27. To: CZ82 (#26)
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What was the first manmade thing that was going to kill us before (MGW) Manmade Global Warming??? Answer--- (MGC) Manmade Global Cooling!!!
In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend. As a result some scientists suggested that the current inter- glacial period could rapidly draw to a close, which might result in the Earth plunging into a new ice age over the next few centuries. This idea could have been reinforced by the knowledge that the smog that climatologists call ‘aerosols’ – emitted by human activities into the atmosphere – also caused cooling. In fact, as temperature recording has improved in coverage, it’s become apparent that the cooling trend was most pronounced in northern land areas and that global temperature trends were in fact relatively steady during the period prior to 1970.
At the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a greater number published contradicting studies. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gasses that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming – warming that would a much greater influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.
By 1980 the predictions about ice ages had ceased, due to the overwhelming evidence contained in an increasing number of reports that warned of global warming. Unfortunately, the small number of predictions of an ice age appeared to be much more interesting than those of global warming, so it was those sensational 'Ice Age' stories in the press that so many people tend to remember.
#28. To: CZ82, go65 (#26)
The answer is there is a fool born every minute, and your federal government is taking advantage of that fact to further their agenda of increasing their "GRIP" on your throat...... I hope you like it because you are helping them do it to you!!!!! I mean if you believe in MGW then you should believe in MGC too!!!!!
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