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Title: Ron Paul’s racism emerges once again
Source: Capitol Hill Blue
URL Source: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/40855
Published: May 15, 2011
Author: DOUG THOMPSON
Post Date: 2011-08-31 10:50:58 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 30295
Comments: 65

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On June 4, 2004, while other members of Congress honored the 40th anniversary of the historic act, Paul stood on the floor of the House of Representatives and delivered a diatribe against integration, claiming it violated the Constitution “while diminishing individual freedoms.”

“The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society,” Paul declared.

Not a surprising statement from a man who is touted on white supremacist web sites as their candidate for President.

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#1. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, mininggold (#0)

Not a surprising statement from a man who is touted on white supremacist web sites as their candidate for President.

Ron Paul will not be president.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   10:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lucysmom (#1)

Ron Paul will not be president.

If the Federal Reserve gets it's way.

They'll kill him if he does....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-31   10:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#0)

i don't think Paul's opposition to the civil rights act makes him a racist, he just thinks it is ok for private business owners to discriminate on any basis they choose.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-31   10:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#3)

i don't think Paul's opposition to the civil rights act makes him a racist, he just thinks it is ok for private business owners to discriminate on any basis they choose.

Correct.

If Korea grocer in New York City only hires other Koreans, should the federal government be able to use their heavy hand to fine him, put him out of business, and perhaps even jail him?

That's the question.

To me the answer is no, because property rights are a fundamental and necessary component of individual rights.

Quite frankly, in this day and age, with information zipping around the world at the speed of light on the internet, overt acts of discrimination by small business owners will bring punishment -- the punishment of the market as people refuse to do business with them. Of course, there will be exceptions, but there are exceptions to everything in life. So what?


There two types of leftists -- idiots and tyrants. The idiots believe that big government has the answers. The tyrants exploit those beliefs to maintain power and control. -- jwpegler

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-31   11:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#1)

He won't, and he's wrong about this lankmark legislation. One thing is for sure though; were he to be elected, much of his agenda would be DOA when it hit Congress or the high court.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-08-31   11:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mcgowanjm (#2)

Ron Paul will not be president.

If the Federal Reserve gets it's way.

They'll kill him if he does....;}

Wow - that must be some heavy duty drugs I'm on today.

You're actually making sense. . .

__________________________________________________________________________________________

HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-08-31   11:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lucysmom, All (#0)

To all whom the truth offends:

Your extra reality existence is an insult to all of humanity.

You live in those dark reaches where twisted prevarication and irrational hatred control your mental processes.

You need to have your arse beat with a clue stick. LOL!

eskimo  posted on  2011-08-31   11:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom (#0)

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ... failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society,” Paul declared

As much of a kook as I think Paul is, I simply cannot find anything inaccurate in those comments.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-31   11:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#8)

Of course not; this is true of most racists like you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-08-31   11:32:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

Do you think the folks involved in the flash mob incidents in Philadelphia and elsewhere are racists?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-31   11:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom, *Ron Paul for President* (#0)

Civil Rights Act

On July 3, 2004, Ron Paul was the only Congressman to vote against a bill hailing the 40th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In this speech to Congress, Ron Paul courageously spoke out on the often controversial issues of race relations and affirmative action. He explained why the Civil Right Act had failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society.

Ron Paul: Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.

Ron Paul explained to the racists in congress that affirmative action racial discrimination is no way to end racial discrimination. To this day there are still many race pimping racists who support racial discrimination, which they call "affirmative action".


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-31   11:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#6)

Wow - that must be some heavy duty drugs I'm on today.

You're actually making sense. . .

Do not operate heavy machinery or computers.

Not liable for blindness, diarrhea, or stomach reflux...

consult your doctor if symptoms persist.....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-31   12:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#10)

I had a flash mob of Italian ethnic teenagers in a Seven Eleven I worked at very briefly in East Haven, CT. in 1975. The franchise owner had left and I was one of the two people reformatting the store the way corporate stores were set up.

They were outraged one of their own was told by me to either buy the comic book he had sat in the store reading for 95 minutes or leave.

lynching a business out of boredom and greed knows no racial grouping. That is, unless you are a race baiting POS like you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-08-31   13:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hondo68 (#11)

Affirmative action was always meant to be a remedial fix not intended to last. I see nothing wrong with the concept or in the way this legislation was implemented.

Affirmative action was a payment for some of the unfair losses in social status, jobs, housing, voting rights and many other things discrimination inflicted on African Americans as a demographic group since many of their ancestors were forcibly brought here as slaves. There was nothing unfair about it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-08-31   13:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

These were large groups of BLACK people specifically targeting white people and it has been well documented.

Yes or no. Were they racists?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-31   13:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, mininggold (#1)

As has been stated before, the entire ideology - the main reason that the majority of so called conservatives advocate for a "limited govt" is because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Any other sort of ideological baggage that comes with this movement is designed to cover this fact up or to code the overt racial segregationist ideology that migrated into the GOP as part of Nixon's embrace of the old Dixiecrats who imported their segregationist ideology into the Republican party.

Many Republican- Conservative Small Government Positions Since Nixon Are Really Veiled Racist Policies

...pretty much all the Republican- conservative positions since Nixon are really veiled racist policies and that small govt is really code word for weakining the federal govt so it can't enforce civil rights or not paying welfare to "coloreds" even though most people on welfare and food stamps are whites (but the false myth in the racist right wing mind is that its the blacks who are living well on welfare having kids out of wedlock that whites have to pay for the mythical black welfare queen).

Bob Herbert, a New York Times columnist, reported a 1981 interview with Lee Atwater, published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Prof. Alexander P. Lamis, in which Lee Atwater discussed politics in the South: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"— that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger".

Herbert wrote in the same column, "The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-31   14:04:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: jwpegler, go65 (#4)

If Korea grocer in New York City only hires other Koreans, should the federal government be able to use their heavy hand to fine him, put him out of business, and perhaps even jail him?

Yes. In fact I live in Korea town and many if not all the Korean grocers have hired non Koreans to be cashiers and stock clerks, etc.

In fact, the Korean owned grocer I patronize has a deli section staffed by Americans who look to be of Italian decent (as far as I can tell of their ethnicity).

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-31   14:06:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

I see nothing wrong with the concept or in the way this legislation was implemented

The ends justify the means. Isn't that what you oppose in the eco-terrorist faction? Racial discrimination is good... I was against it, before I was for it. ~Ferret Mike Kerry


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-31   14:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: jwpegler (#4)

If Korea grocer in New York City only hires other Koreans, should the federal government be able to use their heavy hand to fine him, put him out of business, and perhaps even jail him?

So then Koreans should likewise be fine with Microsoft having a no Koreans hired policy?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   14:27:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: hondo68 (#18)

The ends does indeed justify the means here. Comparing this to say the crime of burning down the Oakridge, OR Forest Service station is using apples to talk about oranges; there is no comparison.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-08-31   14:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: no gnu taxes (#8)

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ... failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society,” Paul declared

As much of a kook as I think Paul is, I simply cannot find anything inaccurate in those comments.

IMHO, Paul overstates the goal

I heard MLK speak at Stanford University in the mid 60s, he said it wasn't possible to pass laws requiring others to love him, but it was possible to enforced laws prohibiting others from doing him injury.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   14:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68 (#11)

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Isn't it odd that blatant racial discrimination persisted for a hundred years after the Civil War freed the slaves and the 14th amendment made former slaves full American citizens and only significantly improved after the Civil Rights Act was passed?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   14:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lucysmom (#21)

I heard MLK speak at Stanford University in the mid 60s, he said it wasn't possible to pass laws requiring others to love him, but it was possible to enforced laws prohibiting others from doing him injury.

Those laws existed prior to the passage of the civil rights act, they just weren't being enforced.

The reduction in discrimination was more to do with King and others calling attention to the problem, than the resulting legislation. It really did more harm than good. We'd be a lot closer to racial harmony if congress had done nothing. Government interference and their reverse discrimination mandate, aggravated racial discord.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-31   15:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68 (#23)

It really did more harm than good. We'd be a lot closer to racial harmony if congress had done nothing.

I doubt it.

Government interference and their reverse discrimination mandate, aggravated racial discord.

I lived through those times - it didn't look that way to me.

Legislation made it clear that discrimination based on race was unacceptable, period.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   15:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#24)

I lived through those times - it didn't look that way to me.

You must have lived in one of those lilly-white areas that didn't have any race riots.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-31   15:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: hondo68 (#25)

You must have lived in one of those lilly-white areas that didn't have any race riots.

Race riots didn't begin with the Civil Rights Act.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   16:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lucysmom (#26)

Race riots didn't begin with the Civil Rights Act.

We had race riots in Richmond in the late fifties to '64.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-31   16:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: hondo68 (#25)

"You must have lived in one of those lilly-white areas that didn't have any race riots."

'Lilly white' areas are great places to find racism as usually they are that way because of racist sentiments.

Eugene, Oregon is a very white place. There used to be a cross on the butte ajacent to the train station and blacks and oriental people coming through in the late 1800s or the early Twentieth Century knew that this was a standard subtle warning for anything but subtle reaction for the wrong person in a racist's eyes to be where they didn't want them.

We had laws here codifyng racism, and the KKK used to march in the Forth of july parade here every year.

Racism these days is very subtle in the commission to protect this mind-set in the face of justice having finally been brought to light in the overall sceme of things, and you can find it here.

I used to see it every day when I dealt with my bigotted Mom with whom I made no compromise ever with her hateful belief system on the subject.

It was one area in which she died an ignorant old conservative, and this is a shame; but she like all other racists have the same bizarre hatred of the human species that blights their being.

People who believe in or practice racism are beneath contempt in my own opinion, and I to not consider them in any good standing to trust or do business with if at all possible to not do so.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-08-31   16:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mininggold (#27)

We had race riots in Richmond in the late fifties to '64.

1964, wasn't that the year the Civil Rights Act was signed?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   16:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#29) (Edited)

1964, wasn't that the year the Civil Rights Act was signed?

There was another race riot in '68, that's when Travalini furniture was burned. Some say it was done to destroy records contained in the building, but I heard on the street that it was due to Willy Mays spending thousands buying furniture there for a house he had built.

Kaiser imported thousands of itinerant poor from Texas and the south in the mid forties to late fifties as a source of cheap labor for it's various industries. When the gov contracts dried up so did the jobs.

I remember these people camped out in tents on the side of the Santa Fe tracks, when we went to the depot to pick up friends.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-31   16:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: all (#0)

“The Civil Rights Act of 1964

It accomplished 3 things...

1). Created a whole class of people that nobody respects because of the circumstances behind them acquiring their jobs..... they didn't have the qualifications they were just the right color....

2). Created a whole class of people totally dependent on the government for anything and everything, no knowledge of anything required..... why work hard just let the government do everything for you..... for free.... (as long as they vote for them)....

3). Made racism worse!!!! (especially by those on the Left.... they're expected to stay on the plantation, not actually have equal rights just think they do.....)

Having equal rights is one thing, having unequal rights is another..... but then the Leftards don't really care about that, just how many votes they get....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-08-31   18:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: weasel bitch (#28)

Eugene, Oregon is a very white place. There used to be a cross on the butte ajacent to the train station and blacks and oriental people coming through in the late 1800s or the early Twentieth Century knew that this was a standard subtle warning for anything but subtle reaction for the wrong person in a racist's eyes to be where they didn't want them.

That's all that you libTURD whores have isn't weasel bitch?

Time to gin up "de raciests" eh you gibbering libTURD whore?

Do you know why you libTURDS stink whore?

So that even blind people can HATE YOU!

Badda BING ...... !

Spin on it weasel bitch.

libTURD SCUM.

SCUM

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-31   18:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: CZ82, all (#31)

It accomplished 3 things...

All of which:

A.) destroyed the black family (70% + out of wedlock births)

B.) destroyed America's inner cities (in conjunction with the war on drugs)

Another fine mess the government has gotten us into.


There two types of leftists -- idiots and tyrants. The idiots believe that big government has the answers. The tyrants exploit those beliefs to maintain power and control. -- jwpegler

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-31   18:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: jwpegler (#33)

Another fine mess the government has gotten us into.

The mess was there and then government got involved.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   19:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#30)

Kaiser imported thousands of itinerant poor from Texas and the south in the mid forties to late fifties as a source of cheap labor for it's various industries. When the gov contracts dried up so did the jobs.

So its government's fault again!

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   19:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ferret Mike, lucysmom (#5)

He won't, and he's wrong about this lankmark legislation. One thing is for sure though; were he to be elected, much of his agenda would be DOA when it hit Congress or the high court.

The fake Ron Paul supporters come out of the closet. Thanks. I knew it wasn't true. No one can support Ron Paul and defend Obama.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-31   20:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#31)

Why is Ron Paul the only one with balls enough to touch this issue?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-31   20:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lucysmom (#1)

You forgot to ping badeye.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-08-31   20:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Fred Mertz (#38)

You forgot to ping badeye.

He no longer wishes to receive pings from me so what's a mom to do?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   21:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Why is Ron Paul the only one with balls enough to touch this issue?

Rand Paul talked about it too. Chris Mathews almost pissed himself.


There two types of leftists -- idiots and tyrants. The idiots believe that big government has the answers. The tyrants exploit those beliefs to maintain power and control. -- jwpegler

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-31   21:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#39)

I saw that. I just wanted you to know I'm here and about.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-08-31   21:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Fred Mertz (#41)

Thanks Fred.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-31   22:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#36) (Edited)

"The fake Ron Paul supporters come out of the closet. Thanks. I knew it wasn't true. No one can support Ron Paul and defend Obama."

And supporting Ron Paul means agreeing with everything he says? As for 'defending Obama,' I disagreed with Dr. Paul's take on the 1964 Civil Rights legislation. I said nothing about President Obama.

You are losing it, Stone. I said nothing about Obama.

What I said about his agenda is true, even if elected he would not get it past Congress. Some of it perhaps, but there would be an awful lot of resistence to what he believes in.

That is just fact that is obvious to me from having watched presidents serve since Eisenhauer.

I support him because he ain't bought, and he honestly believes in what he believes in. I have never ever said I support some key parts of his agenda.

What is your problem?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-08-31   22:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysidiotmommywhinyOLD (#0)

.

TYPICAL libTURD crap skank.

Hardly an impartial source wouldn't you say skank?

Btw skank I'm hardly a Ron Paul fan, but I despise half truths and baseless charges of racism when the man is speaking completely correctly within the context of the feral gooberment being constrained by the CONSTITUTION.

It isn't a matter of "racism" you gibbering libTURD whore, it's exactly about the POWER of the feral gooberment to tell the several STATES and ALL Americans what to do.

WE DON'T HAVE KINGS you gibbering libTURD whore.

WE HAVE the US CONSTITUTION, which is supposed to protect the individual STATES, and ALL individual AMERICANS from the YOKE OF TYRANNY that YOUR feral gooberment is CURRENTLY trying to LOCK around ALL of OUR and OUR POSTERITIES necks.

As far as "race" bitch, right now the feral gooberment effects RACISM on to the MAJORITY of AMERICANS, they call it "affirmative action" bitch, AND it IS feral gooberment RACISM bitch.

RIGHT NOW so called "racial" minorities have every RIGHT to exclude ALL Americans of other races from their lives.

Any "white" black panthers bitch?

Any "white" "BLACK mooslums" bitch?

Any "white" members of the "BLACK" caucus bitch?

Any "white" members of revruuuund GOD DAMN AMERICA "BLACK" liberation theology Wrong's so called "Christian" "church" BITCH?

ALL of the above, btw BITCH, are CONSTITUTIONAL; and so are the corollaries that Ron Paul is talking about, you stoopid gibbering libTURD HYPOCRITE bitch.

THAT IS EXACTLY the point.

What is GOOD for one AMERICAN is GOOD for ALL AMERICANS isn't it bitch?

LOL!

I know that you libTURD bastards believe in special "rights" for "special" AMERICANS and that YOU libTURD bastards claim the "right" to pick who gets what rights.

THAT'S why the US CONSTITUTION is IMPORTANT.

EQUALLY APPLIED.

To STOP wannabe TYRANTS just like YOU bitch.

I despise you HYPOCRITICAL libTURD SCUM.

SCUM

(btw, yes I'm saying Ron Paul is correct here and it isn't "racist" in any F ing way.)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-31   22:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#35)

So its government's fault again!

It was Kaiser Steel and Shipyards needing a cheap labor pool in order to win those contracts in the first place.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-01   0:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#43)

What is your problem?

Google 'splitting', which he just did with you and you will find his problem.

mininggold  posted on  2011-09-01   0:21:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: all (#0)

I believe Ron Paul's objection to the CRA of 1964 specifically related to Title II of the Act regarding privately owned places of public accomodation, which I quote at the end of this comment.

The 14th Amendment reads, in relevant part:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The 14th Amendment restricts action by a State, but it does not speak to actions by individuals. I believe Ron Paul's objection to the CRA of 1964 is that the Constitution does not contain a grant of power to the Federal government to support the provisions of Title II. It passed the Senate with 54 votes. There were 37 nay, 4 voting present, and 3 not voting.

TITLE II--INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AGAINST DISCRIMINATION IN PLACES OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION

SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.

(b) Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by State action:

(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as his residence;

(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any gasoline station;

(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and

(4) any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered establishment.

(c) The operations of an establishment affect commerce within the meaning of this title if (1) it is one of the establishments described in paragraph (1) of subsection (b); (2) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (2) of subsection (b), it serves or offers to serve interstate travelers or a substantial portion of the food which it serves, or gasoline or other products which it sells, has moved in commerce; (3) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (3) of subsection (b), it customarily presents films, performances, athletic teams, exhibitions, or other sources of entertainment which move in commerce; and (4) in the case of an establishment described in paragraph (4) of subsection (b), it is physically located within the premises of, or there is physically located within its premises, an establishment the operations of which affect commerce within the meaning of this subsection. For purposes of this section, "commerce" means travel, trade, traffic, commerce, transportation, or communication among the several States, or between the District of Columbia and any State, or between any foreign country or any territory or possession and any State or the District of Columbia, or between points in the same State but through any other State or the District of Columbia or a foreign country.

(d) Discrimination or segregation by an establishment is supported by State action within the meaning of this title if such discrimination or segregation (1) is carried on under color of any law, statute, ordinance, or regulation; or (2) is carried on under color of any custom or usage required or enforced by officials of the State or political subdivision thereof; or (3) is required by action of the State or political subdivision thereof.

(e) The provisions of this title shall not apply to a private club or other establishment not in fact open to the public, except to the extent that the facilities of such establishment are made available to the customers or patrons of an establishment within the scope of subsection (b).

SEC. 202. All persons shall be entitled to be free, at any establishment or place, from discrimination or segregation of any kind on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin, if such discrimination or segregation is or purports to be required by any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, rule, or order of a State or any agency or political subdivision thereof.

SEC. 203. No person shall (a) withhold, deny, or attempt to withhold or deny, or deprive or attempt to deprive, any person of any right or privilege secured by section 201 or 202, or (b) intimidate, threaten, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any person with the purpose of interfering with any right or privilege secured by section 201 or 202, or (c) punish or attempt to punish any person for exercising or attempting to exercise any right or privilege secured by section 201 or 202.

SEC. 204. (a) Whenever any person has engaged or there are reasonable grounds to believe that any person is about to engage in any act or practice prohibited by section 203, a civil action for preventive relief, including an application for a permanent or temporary injunction, restraining order, or other order, may be instituted by the person aggrieved and, upon timely application, the court may, in its discretion, permit the Attorney General to intervene in such civil action if he certifies that the case is of general public importance. Upon application by the complainant and in such circumstances as the court may deem just, the court may appoint an attorney for such complainant and may authorize the commencement of the civil action without the payment of fees, costs, or security.

(b) In any action commenced pursuant to this title, the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing party, other than the United States, a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs, and the United States shall be liable for costs the same as a private person.

(c) In the case of an alleged act or practice prohibited by this title which occurs in a State, or political subdivision of a State, which has a State or local law prohibiting such act or practice and establishing or authorizing a State or local authority to grant or seek relief from such practice or to institute criminal proceedings with respect thereto upon receiving notice thereof, no civil action may be brought under subsection (a) before the expiration of thirty days after written notice of such alleged act or practice has been given to the appropriate State or local authority by registered mail or in person, provided that the court may stay proceedings in such civil action pending the termination of State or local enforcement proceedings.

(d) In the case of an alleged act or practice prohibited by this title which occurs in a State, or political subdivision of a State, which has no State or local law prohibiting such act or practice, a civil action may be brought under subsection (a): Provided, That the court may refer the matter to the Community Relations Service established by title X of this Act for as long as the court believes there is a reasonable possibility of obtaining voluntary compliance, but for not more than sixty days: Provided further, That upon expiration of such sixty-day period, the court may extend such period for an additional period, not to exceed a cumulative total of one hundred and twenty days, if it believes there then exists a reasonable possibility of securing voluntary compliance.

SEC. 205. The Service is authorized to make a full investigation of any complaint referred to it by the court under section 204(d) and may hold such hearings with respect thereto as may be necessary. The Service shall conduct any hearings with respect to any such complaint in executive session, and shall not release any testimony given therein except by agreement of all parties involved in the complaint with the permission of the court, and the Service shall endeavor to bring about a voluntary settlement between the parties.

SEC. 206. (a) Whenever the Attorney General has reasonable cause to believe that any person or group of persons is engaged in a pattern or practice of resistance to the full enjoyment of any of the rights secured by this title, and that the pattern or practice is of such a nature and is intended to deny the full exercise of the rights herein described, the Attorney General may bring a civil action in the appropriate district court of the United States by filing with it a complaint (1) signed by him (or in his absence the Acting Attorney General), (2) setting forth facts pertaining to such pattern or practice, and (3) requesting such preventive relief, including an application for a permanent or temporary injunction, restraining order or other order against the person or persons responsible for such pattern or practice, as he deems necessary to insure the full enjoyment of the rights herein described.

(b) In any such proceeding the Attorney General may file with the clerk of such court a request that a court of three judges be convened to hear and determine the case. Such request by the Attorney General shall be accompanied by a certificate that, in his opinion, the case is of general public importance. A copy of the certificate and request for a three-judge court shall be immediately furnished by such clerk to the chief judge of the circuit (or in his absence, the presiding circuit judge of the circuit) in which the case is pending. Upon receipt of the copy of such request it shall be the duty of the chief judge of the circuit or the presiding circuit judge, as the case may be, to designate immediately three judges in such circuit, of whom at least one shall be a circuit judge and another of whom shall be a district judge of the court in which the proceeding was instituted, to hear and determine such case, and it shall be the duty of the judges so designated to assign the case for hearing at the earliest practicable date, to participate in the hearing and determination thereof, and to cause the case to be in every way expedited. An appeal from the final judgment of such court will lie to the Supreme Court.

In the event the Attorney General fails to file such a request in any such proceeding, it shall be the duty of the chief judge of the district (or in his absence, the acting chief judge) in which the case is pending immediately to designate a judge in such district to hear and determine the case. In the event that no judge in the district is available to hear and determine the case, the chief judge of the district, or the acting chief judge, as the case may be, shall certify this fact to the chief judge of the circuit (or in his absence, the acting chief judge) who shall then designate a district or circuit judge of the circuit to hear and determine the case.

It shall be the duty of the judge designated pursuant to this section to assign the case for hearing at the earliest practicable date and to cause the case to be in every way expedited.

SEC. 207. (a) The district courts of the United States shall have jurisdiction of proceedings instituted pursuant to this title and shall exercise the same without regard to whether the aggrieved party shall have exhausted any administrative or other remedies that may be provided by law.

(b) The remedies provided in this title shall be the exclusive means of enforcing the rights based on this title, but nothing in this title shall preclude any individual or any State or local agency from asserting any right based on any other Federal or State law not inconsistent with this title, including any statute or ordinance requiring nondiscrimination in public establishments or accommodations, or from pursuing any remedy, civil or criminal, which may be available for the vindication or enforcement of such right.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-09-01   2:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#46)

"Google 'splitting', which he just did with you and you will find his problem."

I swear, when they had that forensic specialist on that show called Law and Order SVU go postal, I thought of this guy. He should settle down and be civil, because he's going nowhere with his contentious head tripping.

And if it continues, back on the bozo he goes. He rates no special treatment there.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-09-01   4:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Why is Ron Paul the only one with balls enough to touch this issue?

There are probably others who think the same thing, but won't touch the subject because of the field day the media would have with it...... You know the headlines.... "Republicans hate Blacks".... "Tea Party Candidate wants to re- enslave Blacks"...... all lies but you know the amount of sheep we have in this country, and the lack of knowledge about the truth on certain issues....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-01   6:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Ferret Mike (#48)

And if it continues, back on the bozo he goes. He rates no special treatment there.

Don't be a dumb ass.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-01   8:07:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Ferret Mike (#15)

These were large groups of BLACK people specifically targeting white people and it has been well documented.

Yes or no. Were they racists?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-09-01   8:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

I had a flash mob of Italian ethnic teenagers in a Seven Eleven I worked at very briefly in East Haven, CT. in 1975

There was no "flash mob" term in 1975. It is a modern word associated with a fun happening (some American outlets want to use this term to mean a gathering of hoods to carry out shop lifting or mayhem, etc.

The meaning of flash mob was that people gather at a public event and all do a dance in front of people or sing. The fun of it is that it freaks people out in a good way.

Here is a typical example:

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-01   8:54:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Godwinson, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#52)

Over 100 participants in this awesome Christmas Flash Mob

They're evangelical Christians, not progressives. And since they don't have any affirmative action members, they're very good.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-09-01   10:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#50)

Says the dumb ass. You are on bozo. As in go ahead and keep this account open if you wish, but I won't be here putting up with your shit.

It saves me from having to even go into set-up.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2011-09-01   10:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Ferret Mike (#54) (Edited)

These were large groups of BLACK people specifically targeting white people and it has been well documented.

Yes or no. Were they racists?

Why is it so hard to get a yes or no answer from you on this?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-09-01   10:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: hondo68 (#53)

They're evangelical Christians, not progressives. And since they don't have any affirmative action members, they're very good.

In one respect I am glad you are old and thus near death.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-01   10:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Godwinson, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#56)

glad you are old and thus near death.

Your posts have given me a new lease on life. I'm hanging in there just to slap you down.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-09-01   10:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: hondo68 (#57)

Your posts have given me a new lease on life. I'm hanging in there just to slap you down.

Having you alive drains the life of America because I know you are not giving up your SS and medicare and govt pension (all of which you claim to hate) and since I hate America and want it destroyed I win either way.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-09-01   10:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: no gnu taxes (#55)

Why is it so hard to get a yes or no answer from you on this?

Until you name specific times and places, your claim is a hypothetical "what if".

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-09-01   11:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Fred Mertz (#38)

You forgot to ping badeye.

Is he still here? I thought he had a tiny business to run into the ground.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-09-01   12:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Skip Intro (#60)

I thought he had a tiny business to run into the ground.

Nope. He turned it around - all by his itty bitt self according to Bob McCarthy...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-01   12:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: lucysmom (#59)

Please.

I could Google numerous incidents of this, and so can you.

Were they racist?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-09-01   12:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: no gnu taxes (#62)

I could Google numerous incidents of this, and so can you.

Were they racist?

Then do it so we have something to discuss.

One incident posted here that turned out to be a hoax cooked up by the neighborhood crank as I recall.

If some one makes up a story claiming to have been targeted by a "flash mob" of blacks, is that person racist?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-09-01   12:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: jwpegler (#40)

Rand Paul talked about it too. Chris Mathews almost pissed himself.

Yes I know. I should have been more specific and said out of members of the house of representatives.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-01   21:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Ferret Mike (#54)

Says the dumb ass. You are on bozo. As in go ahead and keep this account open if you wish, but I won't be here putting up with your shit.

It saves me from having to even go into set-up.

Just for you.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-09-01   22:00:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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