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Title: David Mamet: Why I Am No Longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal'
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URL Source: http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-03 ... o-longer-a-brain-dead-liberal/
Published: Aug 11, 2008
Author: David Mamet
Post Date: 2011-08-31 01:07:23 by Mad Dog
Keywords: libTURDISM is a, terminal mental, DISEASE
Views: 9304
Comments: 23

John Maynard Keynes was twitted with changing his mind. He replied, "When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"

My favorite example of a change of mind was Norman Mailer at The Village Voice.

Norman took on the role of drama critic, weighing in on the New York premiere of Waiting for Godot.

Twentieth century's greatest play. Without bothering to go, Mailer called it a piece of garbage.

When he did get around to seeing it, he realized his mistake. He was no longer a Voice columnist, however, so he bought a page in the paper and wrote a retraction, praising the play as the masterpiece it is.

Every playwright's dream.

I once won one of Mary Ann Madden's "Competitions" in New York magazine. The task was to name or create a "10" of anything, and mine was the World's Perfect Theatrical Review. It went like this: "I never understood the theater until last night. Please forgive everything I've ever written. When you read this I'll be dead." That, of course, is the only review anybody in the theater ever wants to get.

My prize, in a stunning example of irony, was a year's subscription to New York, which rag (apart from Mary Ann's "Competition") I considered an open running sore on the body of world literacy—this due to the presence in its pages of John Simon, whose stunning amalgam of superciliousness and savagery, over the years, was appreciated by that readership searching for an endorsement of proactive mediocrity.

But I digress.

I wrote a play about politics (November, Barrymore Theater, Broadway, some seats still available). And as part of the "writing process," as I believe it's called, I started thinking about politics. This comment is not actually as jejune as it might seem. Porgy and Bess is a buncha good songs but has nothing to do with race relations, which is the flag of convenience under which it sailed.

But my play, it turned out, was actually about politics, which is to say, about the polemic between persons of two opposing views. The argument in my play is between a president who is self-interested, corrupt, suborned, and realistic, and his leftish, lesbian, utopian-socialist speechwriter.

The play, while being a laugh a minute, is, when it's at home, a disputation between reason and faith, or perhaps between the conservative (or tragic) view and the liberal (or perfectionist) view. The conservative president in the piece holds that people are each out to make a living, and the best way for government to facilitate that is to stay out of the way, as the inevitable abuses and failures of this system (free-market economics) are less than those of government intervention.

I took the liberal view for many decades, but I believe I have changed my mind.

As a child of the '60s, I accepted as an article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart.

These cherished precepts had, over the years, become ingrained as increasingly impracticable prejudices. Why do I say impracticable? Because although I still held these beliefs, I no longer applied them in my life. How do I know? My wife informed me. We were riding along and listening to NPR. I felt my facial muscles tightening, and the words beginning to form in my mind: Shut the fuck up. "?" she prompted. And her terse, elegant summation, as always, awakened me to a deeper truth: I had been listening to NPR and reading various organs of national opinion for years, wonder and rage contending for pride of place. Further: I found I had been—rather charmingly, I thought—referring to myself for years as "a brain-dead liberal," and to NPR as "National Palestinian Radio."

This is, to me, the synthesis of this worldview with which I now found myself disenchanted: that everything is always wrong.

But in my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part.

And, I wondered, how could I have spent decades thinking that I thought everything was always wrong at the same time that I thought I thought that people were basically good at heart? Which was it? I began to question what I actually thought and found that I do not think that people are basically good at heart; indeed, that view of human nature has both prompted and informed my writing for the last 40 years. I think that people, in circumstances of stress, can behave like swine, and that this, indeed, is not only a fit subject, but the only subject, of drama.

I'd observed that lust, greed, envy, sloth, and their pals are giving the world a good run for its money, but that nonetheless, people in general seem to get from day to day; and that we in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances —that we are not and never have been the villains that some of the world and some of our citizens make us out to be, but that we are a confection of normal (greedy, lustful, duplicitous, corrupt, inspired—in short, human) individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it.

For the Constitution, rather than suggesting that all behave in a godlike manner, recognizes that, to the contrary, people are swine and will take any opportunity to subvert any agreement in order to pursue what they consider to be their proper interests.

To that end, the Constitution separates the power of the state into those three branches which are for most of us (I include myself) the only thing we remember from 12 years of schooling.

The Constitution, written by men with some experience of actual government, assumes that the chief executive will work to be king, the Parliament will scheme to sell off the silverware, and the judiciary will consider itself Olympian and do everything it can to much improve (destroy) the work of the other two branches. So the Constitution pits them against each other, in the attempt not to achieve stasis, but rather to allow for the constant corrections necessary to prevent one branch from getting too much power for too long.

Rather brilliant. For, in the abstract, we may envision an Olympian perfection of perfect beings in Washington doing the business of their employers, the people, but any of us who has ever been at a zoning meeting with our property at stake is aware of the urge to cut through all the pernicious bullshit and go straight to firearms.

I found not only that I didn't trust the current government (that, to me, was no surprise), but that an impartial review revealed that the faults of this president—whom I, a good liberal, considered a monster—were little different from those of a president whom I revered.

Bush got us into Iraq, JFK into Vietnam. Bush stole the election in Florida; Kennedy stole his in Chicago. Bush outed a CIA agent; Kennedy left hundreds of them to die in the surf at the Bay of Pigs. Bush lied about his military service; Kennedy accepted a Pulitzer Prize for a book written by Ted Sorenson. Bush was in bed with the Saudis, Kennedy with the Mafia. Oh.

And I began to question my hatred for "the Corporations"—the hatred of which, I found, was but the flip side of my hunger for those goods and services they provide and without which we could not live.

And I began to question my distrust of the "Bad, Bad Military" of my youth, which, I saw, was then and is now made up of those men and women who actually risk their lives to protect the rest of us from a very hostile world. Is the military always right? No. Neither is government, nor are the corporations—they are just different signposts for the particular amalgamation of our country into separate working groups, if you will. Are these groups infallible, free from the possibility of mismanagement, corruption, or crime? No, and neither are you or I. So, taking the tragic view, the question was not "Is everything perfect?" but "How could it be better, at what cost, and according to whose definition?" Put into which form, things appeared to me to be unfolding pretty well.

Do I speak as a member of the "privileged class"? If you will—but classes in the United States are mobile, not static, which is the Marxist view. That is: Immigrants came and continue to come here penniless and can (and do) become rich; the nerd makes a trillion dollars; the single mother, penniless and ignorant of English, sends her two sons to college (my grandmother). On the other hand, the rich and the children of the rich can go belly-up; the hegemony of the railroads is appropriated by the airlines, that of the networks by the Internet; and the individual may and probably will change status more than once within his lifetime.

What about the role of government? Well, in the abstract, coming from my time and background, I thought it was a rather good thing, but tallying up the ledger in those things which affect me and in those things I observe, I am hard-pressed to see an instance where the intervention of the government led to much beyond sorrow.

But if the government is not to intervene, how will we, mere human beings, work it all out?

I wondered and read, and it occurred to me that I knew the answer, and here it is: We just seem to. How do I know? From experience. I referred to my own—take away the director from the staged play and what do you get? Usually a diminution of strife, a shorter rehearsal period, and a better production.

The director, generally, does not cause strife, but his or her presence impels the actors to direct (and manufacture) claims designed to appeal to Authority—that is, to set aside the original goal (staging a play for the audience) and indulge in politics, the purpose of which may be to gain status and influence outside the ostensible goal of the endeavor.

Strand unacquainted bus travelers in the middle of the night, and what do you get? A lot of bad drama, and a shake-and-bake Mayflower Compact. Each, instantly, adds what he or she can to the solution. Why? Each wants, and in fact needs, to contribute—to throw into the pot what gifts each has in order to achieve the overall goal, as well as status in the new-formed community. And so they work it out.

See also that most magnificent of schools, the jury system, where, again, each brings nothing into the room save his or her own prejudices, and, through the course of deliberation, comes not to a perfect solution, but a solution acceptable to the community—a solution the community can live with.

Prior to the midterm elections, my rabbi was taking a lot of flack. The congregation is exclusively liberal, he is a self-described independent (read "conservative"), and he was driving the flock wild. Why? Because a) he never discussed politics; and b) he taught that the quality of political discourse must be addressed first—that Jewish law teaches that it is incumbent upon each person to hear the other fellow out.

And so I, like many of the liberal congregation, began, teeth grinding, to attempt to do so. And in doing so, I recognized that I held those two views of America (politics, government, corporations, the military). One was of a state where everything was magically wrong and must be immediately corrected at any cost; and the other—the world in which I actually functioned day to day—was made up of people, most of whom were reasonably trying to maximize their comfort by getting along with each other (in the workplace, the marketplace, the jury room, on the freeway, even at the school-board meeting).

And I realized that the time had come for me to avow my participation in that America in which I chose to live, and that that country was not a schoolroom teaching values, but a marketplace.

"Aha," you will say, and you are right. I began reading not only the economics of Thomas Sowell (our greatest contemporary philosopher) but Milton Friedman, Paul Johnson, and Shelby Steele, and a host of conservative writers, and found that I agreed with them: a free-market understanding of the world meshes more perfectly with my experience than that idealistic vision I called liberalism.

At the same time, I was writing my play about a president, corrupt, venal, cunning, and vengeful (as I assume all of them are), and two turkeys. And I gave this fictional president a speechwriter who, in his view, is a "brain-dead liberal," much like my earlier self; and in the course of the play, they have to work it out. And they eventually do come to a human understanding of the political process. As I believe I am trying to do, and in which I believe I may be succeeding, and I will try to summarize it in the words of William Allen White.

White was for 40 years the editor of the Emporia Gazette in rural Kansas, and a prominent and powerful political commentator. He was a great friend of Theodore Roosevelt and wrote the best book I've ever read about the presidency. It's called Masks in a Pageant, and it profiles presidents from McKinley to Wilson, and I recommend it unreservedly.

White was a pretty clear-headed man, and he'd seen human nature as few can. (As Twain wrote, you want to understand men, run a country paper.) White knew that people need both to get ahead and to get along, and that they're always working at one or the other, and that government should most probably stay out of the way and let them get on with it. But, he added, there is such a thing as liberalism, and it may be reduced to these saddest of words: " . . . and yet . . . "

The right is mooing about faith, the left is mooing about change, and many are incensed about the fools on the other side—but, at the end of the day, they are the same folks we meet at the water cooler. Happy election season.

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David Mamet: Why I Rejected "Brain Dead Liberalism" and Am Now a Conservative Something So Horrible I Dare Not Give It a Name He doesn't say conservative -- at least I don't think he does. But the Village Voice piece he penned is apparently being slammed by everyone -- smells like a movement Drudge-o-lanch -- and it's damned hard to get from one page to the other.

The best bet at the moment is Hot Air's excerpts. I'll put up my own when the damned site is accessible.

I've long been a fan of Mamet's; I even thought he was worth interviewing back when he was a stone-cold liberal. Well, I didn't interview him really, but I would have liked to have.

His output is uneven and he veers from brilliant (Glengarry Glen Ross, The Spanish Prisoner) to compelling (Oleanna, The Winslow Boy) to strangely engaging though badly, badly flawed (Spartan) to disposable and derivative of his earlier works (Heist, playing an awful lot like House of Games.)

On the plus side, even when his movies or plays aren't very good, they're not very good in an interesting way.

Anyway, obviously, I'm a fan. If we had done a celebrity political draft I would have tried to get him by the the fifth or sixth round (of course I would have to grab more famous, prettier spokesmen first), so this is pretty cool.

I'm reading his piece and I'm amused at how obvious and naive his epiphany is... but that's sort of the same for any fledgling conservative. It's still cute to see him take those first tentative baby steps we once took ourselves.

His big thing is the liberal belief in intrinsic human perfection, coupled with their paranoid/demented belief that "everything is awful." Which is, of course, a perfect contradiction and a childlike conceit -- it's the stance of the disappointed utopian who, emotionally upset that not everything is perfect, begins claiming that everyhing is terrible.

Harlan Ellison, who's a bit of jackass, did make the now-so-obvious point that while 50's utopian science fiction was hopelessly naive, 60's and 70's dystopian science fiction was no less naive. In fact, they were both animated by the same childish conceit in human perfectibility. But whereas utopian science fiction boats of human perfectibility, the angry, paranoiac strand of dystopian fiction is simply the petulant overreaction of a teenager to disappointment and veering wildly in the opposite direction -- but impelled by the exact same jejune motivation. If humans aren't perfect or at least perfectible, well than damn it, they must be total shit.

Conservatives, who embrace the "tragic" view as Mamet terms it (I would call it the "realistic" view myself, but then, I'm not a dramatist), are less childish in their starting conceits. We believe that people are selfish, self-serving, self-interested, self-obsessed, and only vaguely self-aware. It is the nature of all of us. And we do mean us; when we speak of human failings, we are really not, as the liberals are, speaking of other people only. We say "we are all selfish and flawed' and we do in fact mean we.

So for conservatives, the question isn't "Why is the world so awful and cruel?" The question is really "How do humans, especially those in the west and particularly those in America, manage to get so very, very much right so much of the time?"

A different set of starting assumptions creates wildly differing expectations and thus wildly different judgments.

Again, this is so obvious to most of you as to be beneath mention. For me, who once took the trip from liberal to conservative myself (in college, I subscribed to The Nation, yo), it's a nostalgic. Oh yeah, right: I remember first realizing that too, etc.

And I also remember the days when, while I would no longer call myself liberal, I also fiercely resisted the label "conservative." Mamet still seems to be resisting that hateful label himself, imaging a third way in between goof-joke liberalism and the faith-based hatred of conservatism, but... he'll get there.

Most of us do.

You have no idea of the power of the Dark Side.

Some Quotes: Again, this stuff may strike you as somwhere between "duh" and "fucking a- dehrrr."

I took the liberal view for many decades, but I believe I have changed my mind. As a child of the '60s, I accepted as an article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart.

These cherished precepts had, over the years, become ingrained as increasingly impracticable prejudices. Why do I say impracticable? Because although I still held these beliefs, I no longer applied them in my life. How do I know? My wife informed me. We were riding along and listening to NPR. I felt my facial muscles tightening, and the words beginning to form in my mind: Shut the fuck up. "?" she prompted. And her terse, elegant summation, as always, awakened me to a deeper truth: I had been listening to NPR and reading various organs of national opinion for years, wonder and rage contending for pride of place. Further: I found I had been—rather charmingly, I thought—referring to myself for years as "a brain-dead liberal," and to NPR as "National Palestinian Radio."

This is, to me, the synthesis of this worldview with which I now found myself disenchanted: that everything is always wrong.

But in my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part.

And, I wondered, how could I have spent decades thinking that I thought everything was always wrong at the same time that I thought I thought that people were basically good at heart? Which was it? I began to question what I actually thought and found that I do not think that people are basically good at heart; indeed, that view of human nature has both prompted and informed my writing for the last 40 years. I think that people, in circumstances of stress, can behave like swine, and that this, indeed, is not only a fit subject, but the only subject, of drama.

I'd observed that lust, greed, envy, sloth, and their pals are giving the world a good run for its money, but that nonetheless, people in general seem to get from day to day; and that we in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances —that we are not and never have been the villains that some of the world and some of our citizens make us out to be, but that we are a confection of normal (greedy, lustful, duplicitous, corrupt, inspired—in short, human) individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it. More at the link, of course. Fair use can only be pushed so far.

PS: In that old post of mine I took a shot at him for always casting his wife Rebecca Pigeon in his movies. I had to. He does that more than Brian DePalma used to cast Nancy Allen.

It's not that she's a bad actress -- she's great in The Wislow Boy and amazing as the sexually-forward socially-awkward Nancy Drew good girl/bad girl in The Spanish Prisoner. (I kind of fell in love with her there and for a while was fond of quoting her oddball catchphrases, like "Well dog my cat" and "Just shows to go ya.")

It's just that she's always in there, so that it becomes sort of a drinking game prompt.

Plus, well... while she's great when she's good, he often puts her into roles she's just not well-suited for. I didn't buy her for a second as the flinty-tough jaded semi-whore in Heist, for example. She wouldn't have passed a screen test for that, not because she's untalented, just because actors have a type and Mamet tends to cast her both in-type and quite a ways out-of-type. Meg Ryan wouldn't have worked in Basic Instinct, after all.

I guess an overfondness for and excessive belief in one's wife isn't the worst flaw in the world.

And, I guess, it should be said he almost always has Ricky Jay and/or Joe Mantegna and/or William Macy in his movies, too, suggesting that at least they gave him a couple of handjobs at some point.

Ed "Al Bundy" O'Neill, too. What's up with that?

Since We're All Quoting It... Here's the Alec Baldwin scene from GGR.

Fun fact. At least I think it's a fact. This wasn't in the original stage play. I think he added this for the movie either just to extend the running time or else because he thought he had to juice up the desperation/intensity thing.

How the hell could the play exist without this scene? It seems impossible to me.

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Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-31   1:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

If you are not a "liberal" when you are young, you have no heart.

If you are not a conservative when you are older, you have no brain.

libTURDISM is a terminal mental disease.

"libTURDISM is not healthy for children or other living things."

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-31   1:24:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Mad Dog (#2)

psychopath. must be a relative of cheney.

his pacemaker is hackable, btw....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-31   10:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mcgowanjm (#3) (Edited)

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YOU libTURDS lionized him until he came to his senses mctoejam

He is just like David Horowitz, HE SAW FROM EXPERIENCE WHAT FILTH libTURDISM and libTURDS are.

How's life sucking the gooberment teat working out for you mctoejam?

You libTURDS are foul HYPOCRITICAL SCUM.

SCUM

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-31   15:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mad Dog (#4)

Like you're fairly certain someone has your back...

good luck on that...8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   20:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mcgowanjm (#5)

LOL!

WTF are you mewling about YOU gibbering libTURD phuckwad?

As long as the information about you libTURD SCUM whores is accurate and TRUTH who gives a F who supplied it?

LOL!

You see you gibbering libTURD phuckwad, THAT is just one of the basic differences between SANE CONSERVATIVES and you INSANE libTURD SCUM.

CONSERVATIVES believe in OBJECTIVE TRUTH, and it doesn't matter shit all who speaks THAT TRUTH.

EVEN a former libTURD whore tool fool SCUM.

THAT F s YOUR "mind" up eh tool?

You have no idea of what I'm even talking about do you MOROOOOOOOON?

Of course you don't.

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-01   21:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone, Mad Dog (#6)

As I know you're reading my Florida Evac shite, A K.

Just wanted you to know There are consequences for Running with Rabid Dogs....;}

Just sayin'....;}

The dominant characteristic of our present ruling system is the firm belief that power is to be gained and maintained by manipulating the masses. Being honest with the population is rarely an option for them. Current powers are much more interested in deceiving people than informing them. They dogmatically adhere to the doctrine and tenets of propaganda, tactically utilizing technocratic methods of manipulation and deception.

The Will to Empower

I am in direct opposition to the existing power structure because my belief system is based on the premise that the more you inform and empower people, the more empowered you will be.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   22:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mcgowanjm (#7)

The dominant characteristic of our present ruling system is the firm belief that power is to be gained and maintained by manipulating the masses. Being honest with the population is rarely an option for them. Current powers are much more interested in deceiving people than informing them. They dogmatically adhere to the doctrine and tenets of propaganda, tactically utilizing technocratic methods of manipulation and deception.

The Will to Empower

I am in direct opposition to the existing power structure because my belief system is based on the premise that the more you inform and empower people, the more empowered you will be.

I can't argue with those words.

I just like poking at you from time to time on your Florida prediction that turned out wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-01   22:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)

I can't argue with those words.

I just like poking at you from time to time on your Florida prediction that turned out wrong.

No, A K, you're lying.

I know you're lying cause that 'poking' is Yukon's Standard.

His exact words. And we all know where yuk is today.

And how you can't ever find the time, like Happy Quanzza, the nuke scientist, can't ever find the time to post on Fukushima, to reign in the attack dogs here.

AAMOF, I started posting to Goldi, before she kicked me off, whenever those nazi's started 'poking fun' at me. I'll now do that to you.

See how much fun you have, with my poking....;}

And Florida Evacing is not wrong....

And you'll never understand. Even as you and yours have become debt slaves living in some eco wasteland.

Looking for the Sweet Baby Hesus to ride in on his Dinosaur.

That's a little poke at you, A K...;} "Wicked Messengers I don’t get a fat paycheck from a Fortune 500 corporation or a political party. I don’t have to bow before global bankers and the Business Roundtable for campaign funding. It is not my job to build investor confidence, entice consumer spending or sucker people into voting for me. I do not report information to please a boss and collect a paycheck. As I’ve stated, the information I present is the summation of extensive research that I’ve done to educate myself and defend against the predatory elements within society."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   23:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone, mctoejam (#7)

mctoejam's typical insane libTURD gibberish

It's for you Stone, I don't speak insane libTURD gibberish.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-01   23:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#8)

The Second Coming of Macondo: How Long Has Oil Been Leaking from BP's Deepwater Horizon Site – This Time? | Stuart H. Smith Seeded on Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:35 PM EDT ()

Today, oil from the Macondo Well complex is once more polluting the Gulf of Mexico, inflicting new damage on its fragile ecosystem and the lives of tens of thousands of Gulf residents. Fifteen months after BP’s crippled Macondo Well unleashed the worst environmental disast …

www.stuarthsmith.com/the-...-site-%E2%80%93-this-time

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   23:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mctoejam (#9)

.

LOL!

I guess that those guys that are following you are making you paranoid?

MORE lithium!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-01   23:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone, Mad Dog (#10)

And there he is Stone.

poisoning your site.

Who's paying him. Who's paying you?

Time to choose, Stone...;}

"I mention all of this because it is vital to distinguish between independent journalists who don’t have any financial incentive to deceive people, and members of the mainstream media, economists and politicians who most often do. They make a very comfortable living and are paid large sums of money to manipulate and pacify us – to keep us isolated, divided, confused, ignorant, apolitical and as passive as possible. Their primary function is to dumb us down and keep us on the sidelines.

The harsh truth is that we are not meant to be free-thinking, intelligent human beings. We are not brought up to be critical thinking participatory citizens involved in the decision-making processes that guide our lives. We are bred to be spectators and servants – emotionally driven consumers and wage slaves."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   23:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone, All (#13)

emotionally driven consumers and wage slaves.

^^^Planet Hell...;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   23:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mcgowanjm (#11)

.

btw mctoejam, real good job hijacking this thread.

Now I remember why I had you on ignore.

Good luck with figuring out your optimal lithium dosage mctoejam.

"Ciao!"

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-01   23:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone, All (#12)

How much can you take, Stone?

Like Dolphins in the GoM eating bp Antifreeze huh?

"BP’s Macondo Well spewed sweet Louisiana crude for 87 straight, miserable days last summer. By April 30, 2010, Macondo oil choked nearly 4,000 square miles of the Gulf of Mexico. The gushing well surrounded itself with an 80-square-mile “kill zone,” void of any life of any kind (other than unprotected cleanup workers).

It fouled more than 320 miles of coastline in Louisiana alone, much of it delicate, ecologically vital marshland. At its height, the Macondo Well was producing a spill the size of the Exxon Valdez every five days. By the time it was capped on July 15, 2010, the rogue well had pumped a colossal 205 million gallons of petroleum into the body of water that produces more than 40 percent of all the seafood caught in the continental United States.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   23:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)

You're gonna have to lock this thread.

I wonder if you'll do it after the Rabid Dog's last post.

"Fifteen months after BP’s crippled Macondo Well unleashed the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history, scientific analysis has confirmed that oil is again rising from the site where the Deepwater Horizon exploded and sank to the seafloor in April of last year. In an email to the Mobile Press-Register, LSU chemist and NOAA contractor Ed Overton, wrote this: “After examining the data, I think it’s a dead ringer for the MC252 [Macondo Well] oil, as good a match as I’ve seen.”

Confronted with an overwhelming body of evidence – scientific data, photos and video of oil in the water and credible reports of the “stench of oil” at the site – BP and the U.S. Coast Guard continue to deny not only that the Macondo Well is leaking but that there is any oil at all in the vicinity the Deepwater Horizon site.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   23:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: All (#17)

I won't eat fuck all out of the Gulf unless I know exactly where it came from.

Only an idiot would do otherwise.

"What is clear is that BP failed, throughout the event, to produce an accurate estimate of the size of the leak to the federal government or the public. Also readily apparent is the company’s strong vested interest in downplaying the size of the spill: federal pollution laws stipulate fines as high as $4,300 for every barrel of oil unlawfully discharged into U.S. waters.

Obviously, there’s a clear motive for BP to overlook leaks and lowball flow rates: To avoid fines – big fines."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-01   23:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mcgowanjm, Mad Dog (#17)

John Maynard Keynes was twitted with changing his mind. He replied, "When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"

Dog this is from your article.

Do you think mcgowanjm is capable of changing his mind?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-01   23:42:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Mad Dog, Godwinson (#0)

But in my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part.

Something to consider Godwinson.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-01   23:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)

John Maynard Keynes was twitted with changing his mind. He replied, "When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"

Dog this is from your article.

Do you think mcgowanjm is capable of changing his mind?

I have no way to know if he is capable of changing his mind.

I do not see much persuasion going on around here or anywhere else on the web.

This is because Alinsky is currently more in vogue than intellectual HONESTY and Robert's rules of order are.

You make the same mistake all decent people do. You think that the TRUTH matters to these people. It does NOT. All that matters to them is gaining political power and forcing their insane un-Constitutional "Hate America FIRST!" agenda down ALL American's throats.

They HATE everything about America and AMERICANS.

They want to destroy us all.

They are sick rotten bastards.

I am way past caring WHY.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-09-01   23:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#19)

John Maynard Keynes was twitted with changing his mind. He replied, "When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"

Dog this is from your article.

Do you think mcgowanjm is capable of changing his mind?

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA 8D

But how polite you are to the Nazi Zionist Fundy, Stone?

Look forward to you 'poking fun' at the mongrel.

Do you think I'm capable...please....History Only rewards those who CAN change their minds...;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-02   8:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone, Mad Dog (#15)

btw mctoejam, real good job hijacking this thread.

Now I remember why I had you on ignore.

Good luck with figuring out your optimal lithium dosage mctoejam.

"Ciao!"

LOL!

To Stone.

Every time now. You let this Nazi Zionist Fundy loose.

Goldi lost her way at LP.

I'll help you find yours here.

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-02   8:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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