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Title: David Horowitz: Obama 'Systematically Destroying Our Liberties'
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URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hor ... e-economy/2011/08/29/id/408990
Published: Aug 29, 2011
Author: David Horowitz
Post Date: 2011-08-29 15:06:42 by Mad Dog
Keywords: NOTHING, but the, TRUTH
Views: 39882
Comments: 60

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President Barack Obama is the most dangerous president of modern times, intent on turning the country into a second-rate power because “he basically despises America,” conservative activist and author David Horowitz tells Newsmax.TV.

Horowitz is the founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center and Students for Academic Freedom. The author of the recent book, “A Point in Time: The Search for Redemption in This Life and the Next,” Horowitz said. “We are in a battle for the survival of this country.”

When he talks about the political left in America, Horowitz speaks from an experience most conservative experts lack. He was one of the founders of the New Left in the 1960s and an editor of its largest magazine, Ramparts. He co-wrote wrote “Destructive Generation,” a chronicle of his second thoughts about the 60s that has been compared to Whittaker Chambers’ classic “Witness” and other works documenting a break from extremism. Horowitz also detailed his odyssey from “red-diaper baby” to conservative activist in the memoir “Radical Son.”

“For me when I look at it I think the outcome is uncertain,” he said. “The left, what I will call the neo-communist left, is really the Democratic Party … the vision of that party is socialist, anti-capitalist, anti-individualist and it’s got us on a course that (is) already bankrupting our country.”

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Obama is a radical of his (Horowitz’s) generation and actually is a product of the worst part of the 1960s, he said. Obama was a close political ally of 1960s radical and later education professor Bill Ayers, who Horowitz knows very well given his own background as a former leader in the New Left.

“I don’t think Obama cares about this country and I think he is intent on bankrupting it and diminishing our military to the point where we are a second-rate power,” he said. “He is already the most dangerous president we’ve had in modern times.”

Horowitz charged that Obama has surrendered the Middle East to the Muslim Brotherhood.

“There will be a war there soon and he’s responsible and that’s because he basically despises America and wants us to lose in these global conflicts,” he said.

Horowitz also believes that American exceptionalism is in danger under Obama.

“We are a unique country,” he said. “The left under Obama is destroying that uniqueness. The Obamacare is not even a disguised plan to turn this into a socialist country and make everyone a dependent of the state. In history we are really unique where we have been a nation of individualists, distrustful of government, jealous of our liberty, and the Obamaites are systemically destroying our liberties.”

Horowitz said his most recent book, “A Point in Time: The Search for Redemption in This Life and the Next,” came about because he has “reached that point in life where you get to look back and see what it was.”

“I had a bout with prostate cancer about ten years ago and that focused me on my mortality,” he said. “A point in time refers to all of us that in the eye of eternity we’re not even an eye blink. We are all going to disappear and that presents us with what you might call an existential problem, which is does it all add up, is there any sense to all this. And that’s the question that the book addresses.”

The self-proclaimed agnostic said he chose to write about mortality because he “was slammed up against my own mortality. And when that happens you have to focus on it a bit . . . If you are to go about thinking every minute of every day that you’re going to disappear and be forgotten it would paralyze you.

“So we live inside stories that have no end. We say things like; I’ll never forget you, which is obviously a lie . . . You look to the future as though the future is going to remember this present. So that presents us all with a problem and we solve that problem in two different ways, which is the real heart of this book, how we solve that problem.”

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#1. To: All (#0)

"President Barack Obama is the most dangerous president of modern times, intent on turning the country into a second-rate power because “he basically despises America,”

“I don’t think Obama cares about this country and I think he is intent on bankrupting it and diminishing our military to the point where we are a second-rate power,” he said. “He is already the most dangerous president we’ve had in modern times.”

“There will be a war there soon and he’s responsible and that’s because he basically despises America and wants us to lose in these global conflicts,”

Nothing but the TRUTH.

Useful idiots UNITE!

All HAIL the messiah "king" obammy! /S

Spit ...

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-29   15:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mad Dog (#0) (Edited)

What a hoot.

Both of Horowitz's parent were members of the Communist Party.

Horowitz himself was an extreme leftist in the 1960s. He billed himself as a serious Marxist intellectual. He was good buddies with Black Panther Party founder Huey Newton and he raised money for the Black Panthers. He was also close friends with Isaac Deutscher, a Marxist author who was best known as a biographer of Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin.

Now, Horowitz is an extreme neo-con war monger.

Being a hard core communist is not only a mistake. It demonstrates a fundamental character flaw.

Horowitz and his extremist personality have no place among American conservatives. No place at all.


In a global economy, borrowing money to stimulate demand is a foolish proposition -- jwpegler

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-29   15:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: David Horowitz Financed the Violent Black Panthers in the 1970s, Mad Dog, jwpegler (#2)

David Horowitz Financed the Violent Black Panthers in the 197082;s Now he Finances Radical Activists Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer’s Ground Zero Mosque Protests.

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Monday, September 06, 2010 

There’s big money behind the Ground Zero Mosque opposition (Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer), as highlighted by the relationship between David Horowitz’s Los Angeles-based nonprofit Jihad Watch — the website run by robert Spencer “dedicated to bringing public attention to the role that jihad theology and ideology play in the modern world” — and Joyce Chernick, the wife of a wealthy California tech company founder.

Though it was not listed on the public tax reports filed by Horowitz’s Freedom Center, POLITICO has confirmed that the lion’s share of the $920,000 it provided over the past three years to Jihad Watch came from Chernick, whose husband, Aubrey Chernick, has a net worth of $750 million, as a result of his 2004 sale to IBM of a software company he created, and a security consulting firm he now owns.

A onetime trustee of the hawkish Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Chernick led the effort to pull together $3.5 million in venture capital to start Pajamas Media, a conservative blog network that made its name partly with hawkish pro-Israel commentary and of late has kept up a steady stream of anti-mosque postings, including one rebutting attacks by CAIR against Spencer — who Pajamas Media CEO Roger Simon called “one of the ideological point men in the global war on terror.”
 
The Chernicks did not respond to messages relayed through Horowitz and a spokesman. But according to Horowitz, Joyce Chernick offered four years ago to fund Spencer and Jihad Watch, then functioning as a stand-alone nonprofit, under the Horowitz Center’s organizational umbrella.

David Horowitz said Robert Spencer, who is writing a pamphlet on the mosque for the Horowitz Center, is “part of our small but evidently effective family.”  The Freedom Center had a budget of $4.5 million last year, according to its tax filings, of which $290,000 came from the conservative Bradley Foundation, which also gave $75,000 to the Center for Security Policy last year. David Horowitz has received an average of $461,000 a year in salary and benefits over the past three years, while Robert Spencer has pulled in an average of $140,000, according to the center’s IRS filings.
But, David Horowitz said, “Robert Spencer, David Horowitz, Pam Geller — we don’t do this for the money — we do this because we believe in it.”  The Freedom Center funds the Jihad Watch website and is paying for events promoting Spencer and Geller’s recently released book, but Horowitz said it is not paying for Spencer and Geller’s Sept. 11 protest or the controversial ads they placed on New York City buses, depicting a plane flying toward a burning World Trade Center next to a rendering of the Park51 building.

The ads were placed by a group called the Coalition for the Preservation of Ground Zero for a one-month run starting Aug. 16, at a cost of $8,000, according to New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority.  That coalition, which is separate from Burlingame’s, is a project of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, a nonprofit run by Geller and Spencer and incorporated at the same Bedford, N.H., address at which Jihad Watch was first registered in 2005.
 
Pamela Geller said the AFDI has raised money from individual donations and grants from nonprofit organizations, and Spencer last month told The Washington Post that he and Geller were able to raise $50,000 in recent months for taxi and bus ads (whose zoomin who here?).

In a Jihad Watch posting this week, Geller and Spencer called for donations to help fund their Sept. 11 rally and predicted costs could exceed $50,000.  The post concluded that “POLITICO is answering Nancy Pelosi’s authoritarian, un-American call to investigate opponents of the mosque and is nosing around our finances — all they’ll discover is that we have no huge donations and are relying on the support of free Americans to make this rally a reality.” Yeah right ! more from this source……


Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch, a program of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, and the author of eight books on Islam and jihad. Robert Spencer is a weekly columnist for Human Events and FrontPage Magazine which the owner of is his boss David Horowitz who and pays Robert Spencer.

Robert Spencer postures himself as an “Islamic Scholar,” but he has no Ph.D and can not read Arabic. But unlike most people we tend to call “scholars,” Spencer did not burden himself with the traditional scholarly route that puts an emphasis on objectivity and academic rigor.

There is a good reason for this: his “scholarly” methodologies would not jive in any of our nation’s accredited PhD programs let alone a path for tenure where he would have to get his papers peer-reviewed and have his methodology checked by notable scholars for objectivity and a lack of bias (unless, of course, David Horowitz decides to build the David Horowitz Freedom University). 
David Horowitz raised money for the Black Panther Party and the BLA up until early 1975 through the Panther “Learning Center,” his ex-bookeeper and friend Betty Van Patter was murdered by the Black Panthers on December 13, 1974 while working for the Panther “Learning Center.”

 David Horowitz also raised money for the phony group “Muslims Against Sharia (Pamela Geller)” on the donations page on their webiste you were instructed to send money to David Horowitz Freedom Center, P.O. Box 55089, Sherman Oaks, CA 91499-1964.


David Horowitz is the scum of the earth, he set up and financed the “black panthers” in the 1970’s, they killed cops, ran prostitution and sold drugs from the money he filtered to them
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/horowitz121499.asp
David Horowitz had created a school for the children of the Black Panther Party for which to embezzle millions of dollars in California education funds.  David Horowitz had set up the Educational Opportunities Corporation for the Black Panthers.


Per David Horowitz…In the Sixties, I had kept my distance from the black Panther Party because I was frightened by their gun-toting style and hectoring posture. As the Seventies began, however,
Huey Newton announced that it was time to put away the gun, and I became involved with the school project I have already mentioned. At first, I had intended just to raise the money for the school, but when Marty Kenner withdrew unexpectedly (he told me he was burned out), I was left with the task of organizing the school myself. It was as a result of this responsibility that I recruited Betty Van Patter to keep its books. I had recruited Betty to keep the books of the Educational Opportunities Corporation, an entity I had created to run a school for the children of the Black Panther Party. By the time the police fished her battered body out of San Francisco Bay, I knew that she had been killed by the Black Panthers themselves, she had been gang raped and stomped to death.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2011-08-29   15:21:51 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#2)

Horowitz himself was an extreme leftist in the 1960s.

I'm not sure whether your animus toward David Horowitz is warranted. Part of his appeal and effectiveness in espousing conservative causes is his background in the radical left. He is a much more authentic and believable spokeman for conservatism than many of the do called dyed-in-the-wool types.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-29   15:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler, Brian S, Thunderbird, buckaroo (#2) (Edited)

Now, Horowitz is an extreme neo-con war monger.

Horowitz and his ilk turned on the traditional left when the so called left started to back Palestinian Arab rights in regards to expansionist Israel.

By the way, the so called right wing could not ban guns fast enough as soon as black panthers showed up in public demonstrations with their legal firearms. Suddenly, so called conservative Gov. Ronald Reagan is passing gun restricting laws in California....

The whole American right wing movement is a sham.

The Republican conservatives especially are a sham.

On top of that, the ideology of the so called right wing as envisioned in Reaganomics does not and has never worked and deep down the leaders of the party know this but can't get away from the easy stump appeal of the simplistic Reagonomics message they built their party up on.

It is like if a priesthood pushed a religion on ignorant people and knew the sacrifices to the fake gods would not produce the desired results. Sure, on occasion they would get lucky and the sacrifice would coincide with a good crop but when the future sacrifices did not produce the same results these priests dared not change their dogma or ritual lest their power be diminished and they be proven as false holy men who worshipped false gods. Also, in some ways the deceived worshippers also know their religion is false but have invested so much time and sacrifice they can't accept this reality....

So the prayer wheels keep spinning.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   17:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brian S, a k a Stone, jwpegler, hondo68, cz82 (#3)

And you wonder why I say you're a Socialist progandist.

When someone DARES to speak the truth, you go absolutely nuts.

Go back to DU(h). Tell them you've failed, you socialist SHILL.

To:Skippy, toe-jam, old man Fred Alzheimers Mertz, _jim, loonymom/ming, e-type-jackoff, goober56, Wrek, calcon, dummy DwarF, continental op, Biff, gobsheit and meguro From: Capitalist Eric Message: You're SOCIALIST morons. ESAD.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-08-29   17:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Godwinson (#5)

Horowitz and his ilk turned on the traditional left when the so called left started to back Palestinian Arab rights in regards to expansionist Israel.

David Horowitz's awakening to the extreme hypocracy of radical left took place during the Reagan administration...long before the radicals started fluffing for the jihadists.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-29   20:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Capitalist Eric, Brian S, a k a Stone, jwpegler, cz82 (#6)

Horowitz wants an R to deprive us of our liberties.

The proof..... he was silent during the Bush administration, Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, MCA, etc...

He's still a commie, but a now a bushbot neocommie warmongering globalist neocon one.

Sure hObama is a dangerous dipstick but are Perry, Romney, etc. any better? What good is it to jump out of the frying pan, and into the fire? I'm guessing that if McInsane was president, amnesty would have already passed, a socialized medicine bill at least as bad as obamacare, we'd be deeper into Lybia and who knows where else.

We need something other than a neocon/neolib, they SUCK!


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-29   20:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jwpegler (#2) (Edited)

What a hoot.

Both of Horowitz's parent were members of the Communist Party.

Horowitz himself was an extreme leftist in the 1960s. He billed himself as a serious Marxist intellectual. He was good buddies with Black Panther Party founder Huey Newton and he raised money for the Black Panthers. He was also close friends with Isaac Deutscher, a Marxist author who was best known as a biographer of Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin.

Now, Horowitz is an extreme neo-con war monger.

Being a hard core communist is not only a mistake. It demonstrates a fundamental character flaw.

Horowitz and his extremist personality have no place among American conservatives. No place at all.

DUH

David Horowitz's history is PUBLIC and KNOWN.

Horowitiz's opinion on these libTURD FILTH is of value exactly BECAUSE OF HIS PAST.

None of these libTURD assholes is going to even TRY to say Horowitz doesn't KNOW what he is talking about when he talks about THEM.

LOL!

Who the F is mistaking Horowitz with a conservative?

Nobody with an actual brain.

LOL!

The TRUTH is the TRUTH even if the devil says it.

Horowitz is of use to ALL Americans because he has BEEN INSIDE the monster called libTURDISM and he speaks the TRUTH about what they want and what they will do to get it.

ALL Conservatives NEED to know what he knows about these libTURD FILTH.

When it comes to intelligence regarding OUR enemies NO source which is accurate should EVER be dismissed.

In case you haven't noticed, we are in the midst of a culture WAR that will determine the future of the USA right F ing NOW.

Americans NEED to hear the TRUTH from anybody who knows it, and THAT includes Horowitz, NOW.

We don't have to like the guy to USE his knowledge of his ex- fellow travelers against his ex- fellow travelers.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-29   21:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Brianna S (#3)

Blah blah bLaH Horowitz WAS a libTURD skell. blAH bLAh BLah Horowitz was a COMMUNIST! baHl BLah Blah blah bLaH Horowitz WAS a libTURD skell. blAH bLAh BLah Horowitz was a COMMUNIST! baHl BLah Blah blah bLaH Horowitz WAS a libTURD skell. blAH bLAh BLah Horowitz was a COMMUNIST! baHl BLah Blah blah bLaH Horowitz WAS a libTURD skell. blAH bLAh BLah Horowitz was a COMMUNIST! baHl BLah ... mewl ... mewl ... mewl ....

LOL!

THANKS brianna for PROVING MY point you gibbering libTURD WHORE!

You proved, yet again, that David Horowitz KNOWS what you libTURD FILTH are because he was one of YOU creeps.

YOU proved that Horowitz KNOWS what he is talking about when he talks about YOU libTURD FILTH.

idiot

LMAO!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

"DUH

David Horowitz's history is PUBLIC and KNOWN.

Horowitiz's opinion on these libTURD FILTH is of value exactly BECAUSE OF HIS PAST.

None of these libTURD assholes is going to even TRY to say Horowitz doesn't KNOW what he is talking about when he talks about THEM.

LOL!

Who the F is mistaking Horowitz with a conservative?

Nobody with an actual brain.

LOL!

The TRUTH is the TRUTH even if the devil says it.

Horowitz is of use to ALL Americans because he has BEEN INSIDE the monster called libTURDISM and he speaks the TRUTH about what they want and what they will do to get it.

ALL Conservatives NEED to know what he knows about these libTURD FILTH.

When it comes to intelligence regarding OUR enemies NO source which is accurate should EVER be dismissed.

In case you haven't noticed, we are in the midst of a culture WAR that will determine the future of the USA right F ing NOW.

Americans NEED to hear the TRUTH from anybody who knows it, and THAT includes Horowitz, NOW."

=======--------=========----------===========-----------==========

ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-29   21:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gooberloserton (#5)

The whole American right wing movement is a sham.

LOL!

Keep whistling past the grave yard you stoooopid libTURD FILTH.

Lets see how well that works out for you moron?

LOL!

All that YOU libTURD FILTH HAVE are YOUR LIES bitch!

Which are all easily dismissed by the historical FACTS.

LOL!

Btw you LYING MORON it is YOUR "left" that put in place the very first gun LAWS in place with the expressed goal of disarming BLACK people in NY City. YOUR "left" did that moron.

Thank you Lord for making OUR enemies so stoopid.

AMEN!

LOL!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-29   21:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: hondo68 (#8)

Horowitz wants an R to deprive us of our liberties.

The proof..... he was silent during the Bush administration, Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, MCA, etc...

He's still a commie, but a now a bushbot neocommie warmongering globalist neocon one.

Sure hObama is a dangerous dipstick but are Perry, Romney, etc. any better? What good is it to jump out of the frying pan, and into the fire? I'm guessing that if McInsane was president, amnesty would have already passed, a socialized medicine bill at least as bad as obamacare, we'd be deeper into Lybia and who knows where else.

We need something other than a neocon/neolib, they SUCK!

Don't soil yourself PaulTARD.

Didn't you hear that ...

Horowitz supports RonniePaulie ...

and Horowitz said that he's going to vote for your wee little hero PaulTARD ... and ...

Honest, ...

PaulTARD.

Really,

well kind of ...,

well sort of maybe ...

or maybe not? ...

Then again ...

it could happen ....

SURE it could ...

/S

tard

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-29   21:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mad Dog, *Ron Paul for President* (#12)

You have to wait for Bill O'Reilly and Wolf Blitzer to tell you who your candidate is. At least I know who I'm supporting.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-29   21:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hondo68 (#13)

.

Childish, spoiled, little COWARD.

"At least you know that AMERICA will always lose, no matter what, when you vote" eh?

pitiful

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-29   22:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Thunderbird (#7)

David Horowitz's awakening to the extreme hypocracy of radical left took place during the Reagan administration...long before the radicals started fluffing for the jihadists.

I thought Reagan was the arch jihad fluffer? You know, like in supporting jihadis in Afghanistan and arms for hostages in Iran using Saudi money? And supporting Saddam against Iran?

Also, why is the radical left full of "hypocracy" as you stated? They act like leftists but live like rich Republicans? The radical leftists I read about actually lived their ideals and killed people like Republicans (not that I approve, just trying to figure out why you used that phrase).

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-30   9:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Godwinson (#15)

I thought Reagan was the arch jihad fluffer? You know, like in supporting jihadis in Afghanistan and arms for hostages in Iran using Saudi money? And supporting Saddam against Iran?

Reagan supported the Afghan rebels as part of a global war on Communism, not because he was enamored with Islam. The Iran-Contra scheme was quite a clever deception while it lasted...and Saddam was a jihadist?...anti-jihadist would be a better term.

As far as clarifying the hypocracy of the left..let me suggest you read Radical Son by...David Horowitz.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-30   9:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Thunderbird (#16)

Horowitz is a typical Israel Firster. Along with other so-called left wing Jewish intellegentsia of 1970's, he felt the dems slipping in that regard and then bolted the party.

The rest of his "radicalism" was just window dressing.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-08-30   9:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Thunderbird, war (#16) (Edited)

Reagan supported the Afghan rebels as part of a global war on Communism, not because he was enamored with Islam.

Like most stupid things Reagan did - that idiot's policies boomeranged and got Americans killed and bankrupted the nation.

Maybe the hypocrisy is not found on the left as you claim but in the right wing where the same people claim to be anti-jihadis usually are the ones praising the mujaheedeen as 'freedom fighter" when they were on "our side".

Here is a blast from the past: right wing movie hero, "Rambo" joins up with the jihadists.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-30   9:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Thunderbird (#16)

Reagan supported the Afghan rebels as part of a global war on Communism, not because he was enamored with Islam.

Correct. His Cold Warrior brain trust was absolutely clueless about Greek Mythology and Pandora's Box.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-08-30   10:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Thunderbird (#4)

He is a much more authentic and believable spokeman for conservatism than many of the do called dyed-in-the-wool types.

I agree, but in the "true believer" sense. Horowitz is the personification of Eric Hoffer's theory.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-30   10:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Thunderbird (#16)

The Iran-Contra scheme was quite a clever deception while it lasted...

It was also unconstitutional.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-30   10:56:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lucysmom (#21)

As well as a violation of several statutory laws...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-08-30   11:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mad Dog, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#14)

AMERICA will always lose, no matter what

The talking heads will inform you which globalist anti-American candidate to vote for. Stand by for a breaking news flash from Wolf Blitzer.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-30   11:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#22)

Yeah, that too.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-30   11:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#21)

It was also unconstitutional.

These days that's a pretty quaint notion.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-30   11:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Thunderbird (#25)

These days that's a pretty quaint notion.

It matters to some of us.

Reagan went on to become the sainted conservative hero.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-30   12:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Thunderbird (#4)

He is a much more authentic and believable spokeman for conservatism

He's not a conservative he's a neo-conservative. He doesn't believe in the same things that I do.

Over the last 10 years, neo-conservatives have pushed for big government "greatness" and endless wars to make the world safe for "democracy".

That's Woodrow Wilson, not Barry Goldwater.


In a global economy, borrowing money to stimulate demand is a foolish proposition -- jwpegler

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-30   12:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: hondo68 (#23)

Piss OFF, you childish, spoiled, little Polly Annish COWARD.

"At least you know that AMERICA will always lose, no matter what, when you vote" eh?

YOU insist on repeating the historical failures of the Confederacy eh fool?

At least YOU will get to pretend that YOU didn't "do it" eh coward?

The house is burning down around us and little 'ol honda69 doesn't believe in buckets. He believes in hoses, so he sure won't change his PRINCIPLES!

YOU are a pitiful idiot.

PITIFUL

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-30   14:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysidiotmommy, Thunderbird (#26)

These days that's a pretty quaint notion.

lim; It matters to some of us.

You foul miserable LYING libTURD WHORE.

YOU suck the ass of those would DESTROY the US CONSTITUTION and ENSLAVE the AMERICAN PEOPLE to a FERAL GOOBERMENT EVERY TIME that they TRY, you FOUL LYING libTURD WHORE.

YOU support the feral gooberment making ALL AMERICANS buy "insurance" by dint of Presidential edict. Don't YOU WHORE?

YOU supported the messiah "king" obammy's THEFT of TWO of the largest automobile companies in the world. DONE AGAINST ALL STANDING LAW. AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.

YOU have supported EVERY attack on the US CONSTITUTION and the AMERICAN people that YOUR wee little failed man child messiah "king" obammy has undertaken, YOU foul LYING HYPOCRITE POS libTURD WHORE.

AD Nausem ...

It, (the US CONSTITUTION), certainly MATTERS to SOME OF US, BUT that does NOT include YOU, YOU MISERABLE LYING SKANK WHORE.

YOUR ACTIONS HAVE PROVEN THAT YOU HATE the US CONSTITUTION bitch.

YOU FOUL LYING libTURD WHORE.

libTURD SCUM.

SCUM

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-30   14:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mad Dog, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#28)

Piss OFF

No F'n way! I will continue to point out and ridicule globalist anti-American traitors. That's you peckerwood.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-30   14:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lucysmom (#26)

It matters to some of us.

Really?

Obama's presided over both an escalation of one war and the start of another. Gitmo is still open and the Patriot Act was reauthorized without debate.

When was the last time you heard a peep about it from the so-called left?

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-30   19:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#19)

His Cold Warrior brain trust was absolutely clueless about Greek Mythology and Pandora's Box.

Thats a bit harsh. Surely you're not suggesting there was any element of the American political sprectrum that 'knew' the Afghan rebels were a threat to America back in the day?

Lets not confuse knee-jerk pacifism with strategic thinking.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-30   19:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Mad Dog (#29)

You foul miserable LYING libTURD WHORE... YOU MISERABLE LYING SKANK WHORE... YOU FOUL LYING libTURD WHORE...

Please sing along...


There two types of leftists -- idiots and tyrants. The idiots believe that big government has the answers. The tyrants exploit those beliefs to maintain power and control. -- jwpegler

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-30   19:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Thunderbird (#32) (Edited)

Surely you're not suggesting there was any element of the American political sprectrum that 'knew' the Afghan rebels were a threat to America back in the day?

Lets not confuse knee-jerk pacifism with strategic thinking.

Your claim is that after a regime comprised of what that very administration declared to be the head terrorists of a terrorist state, held Americans hostage for 444 days and then, on their very watch, a couple Allah Akabars!! crashed their bomb laden Toyota into a building housing several hundred Marines killing 280odd - a kill ratio of 2-1 - and the hijacking of a TWA Airliner in which they murdered two US military personnel and took the Jewish passengers hostage and the kidnapping and murder of James Buckley that the US was unaware of the dangers of Islamic fanaticism?

Interesting Theory.

Sounds more like an apology, though...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-08-30   19:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68 (#30)

Piss OFF

pitiful fool; No F'n way! I will continue to point out and ridicule globalist anti-American traitors. That's you peckerwood.

pitiful

LOL!

pitiful

You pitiful sanctimonious little cunt.

pitiful

YOU are helping obammy et. al. to MURDER AMERICA right now and you call me the "traitor"?

pitiful

LOL!

pitiful

You really are a pitiful little cunt.

pitiful

Btw cunt, I do have a pecker, and I do have wood, but I'm no "peckerwood"; and I doubt that a carpet bagging little Yankee cunt such as you even knows what the word means.

pitiful

You are pitiful.

pitiful

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-30   20:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: hondo68 (#30)

.

Btw you pitiful paulTARD, (that's YOU smegma breath), I still have $100. USD that says that your hero won't be nominated.

I also have $500. USD that says he won't be president.

Put your money where your mouth is you pitiful paulTARD, (that's YOU smegma breath).

pitiful

What's the matter you pitiful paulTARD, (that's YOU smegma breath)?

pitiful

Does the pitiful paulTARD, (that's YOU smegma breath), have no balls?

pitiful

Is the pitiful PaulTARD, (that's YOU smegma breath), All mouth?

pitiful

YEP.

pitiful

(that's YOU smegma breath)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-30   20:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: jwpegler (#33)

.

Gee willikers, that was HARSH.

"GAS" ... "GAS" ... "GAS" ...

... ... ...

FTW!

LMAO!!!!!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-30   21:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: jwpegler (#27)

He doesn't believe in the same things that I do.

Are you sure there's that much disagreement betweeen you and Horowitz?

For instance you don't strike me as someone who favors the Islamification of the United States and I'm sure there are other Western ideals and values that you cherish.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-30   22:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Thunderbird (#31)

When was the last time you heard a peep about it from the so-called left?

To many Democrats Obama has been a big disappointment. If you haven't heard that, you ain't paying attention.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-30   22:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#34)

Your claim is that after a regime comprised of what that very administration declared to be the head terrorists of a terrorist state, held Americans hostage for 444 days and then, on their very watch, a couple Allah Akabars!! crashed their bomb laden Toyota into a building housing several hundred Marines killing 280odd - a kill ratio of 2-1 - and the hijacking of a TWA Airliner in which they murdered two US military personnel and took the Jewish passengers hostage and the kidnapping and murder of James Buckley that the US was unaware of the dangers of Islamic fanaticism?

And what about the '72 Olympics?

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-31   1:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: war (#34)

Your claim is that after a regime comprised of what that very administration declared to be the head terrorists of a terrorist state, held Americans hostage for 444 days and then, on their very watch, a couple Allah Akabars!! crashed their bomb laden Toyota into a building housing several hundred Marines killing 280odd - a kill ratio of 2-1 - and the hijacking of a TWA Airliner in which they murdered two US military personnel and took the Jewish passengers hostage and the kidnapping and murder of James Buckley that the US was unaware of the dangers of Islamic fanaticism?

No spin-doctor..my claim is that serious thinkers back in the Reagan era never conceived that covert backing of the Afghan rebels would blow back on the United States. It was a sound foreign policy that was effective in stopping the Soviet expansion, it was a measure of direct payback to the Soviets for their proxy support of the NVA a decade earlier, and it gave the United States another foothold in the region.

Even the dopey unilateral disarmament crowd back then weren't predicting jihad against the United States as a result of our backing the Afghan rebels were they?

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-31   9:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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