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Title: You Think Obama’s Been a Bad President? Prove It
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011- ... t-prove-it-jonathan-alter.html
Published: Aug 29, 2011
Author: Jonathan Alter
Post Date: 2011-08-29 10:57:30 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 16225
Comments: 38

Tell me again why Barack Obama has been such a bad president? I’m not talking here about him as a tactician and communicator. We can agree that he has played some bad poker with Congress. And let’s stipulate that at the moment he’s falling short in the intangibles of leadership.

I’m thinking instead of that opening sequence in the show “Mission Impossible,” the one where Jim Phelps, played by Peter Graves, gets his instructions.

Your mission, Jim (and readers named something else), should you decide to accept it, is to identify where Obama has been a poor decision-maker. What, specifically, has he done wrong on policy? What, specifically, would you have done differently to create jobs? And what can any of the current Republican candidates offer that would be an improvement on the employment front?

I’m not interested in hearing ad hominem attacks or about your generalized “disappointment.”

I want to know, on a substantive basis, why you think he deserves to be in a dead heat with Mitt Romney and Rick Perry and only a few points ahead of Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann in a new Gallup Poll. Is it just that any president -- regardless of circumstances and party -- who presides over 9 percent unemployment deserves to lose?

Left, Right, Center

Every day you’re pummeling him from the right, left and middle. Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham even attacked the president for letting Libyan rebels take Tripoli instead of burying Muammar Qaddafi under American bombs months ago. Here we have the best possible result -- the high probability of regime change for about one-thousandth of the cost of getting rid of Saddam Hussein and no bad feelings from the locals -- and Obama gets savaged anyway.

Like everyone else, I’ve got my list of Obama mistakes, from failing to break up the banks in early 2009 to neglecting to force a vote on ending the Bush tax cuts when the Democrats still controlled Congress. He shouldn’t have raised hopes with “Recovery Summer” and “Winning the Future” until the economy was more durable. I could go on.

But do these miscalculations really mean it’s time for him to go?

Most of the bad feeling goes back to the first year or so of the Obama presidency. And in hindsight, those decisions really weren’t so bad. To prove my point, let’s review a few areas where he supposedly messed up.

A Few Rebuttals

From the left: “He should have pushed for a much bigger stimulus in 2009.”

That’s the view of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, now gospel among liberals. It’s true economically but bears no relationship to the political truth of that period. Consider that in December 2008, Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, a hardcore liberal Democrat, proposed a $165 billion stimulus and said he would be ecstatic if it went to $300 billion. President- elect Obama wanted to go over $1 trillion but was told by House Democrats that it absolutely wouldn’t pass. In exchange for the votes of three Republicans in the Senate he needed for passage, Obama reduced the stimulus to $787 billion, which was still almost five times Rendell’s number and the largest amount that was politically possible.

From the right: “The stimulus and bailouts failed.”

When Obama took office, the economy was losing about 750,000 jobs a month and heading for another Great Depression. The recession ended (at least for a while) and we now are adding several thousand jobs a month -- anemic growth, but an awful lot better than the alternative. How did that happen? Luck?

Fed, Stimulus, TARP

All the bellyaching ignores that the Federal Reserve’s emergency policies stabilized the financial system, and that the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that the stimulus increased economic growth and saved or created millions of jobs. According to the Treasury Department, taxpayers will end up actually making money on the bank bailouts under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which Obama inherited from the previous administration.

The Republican alternative for job creation wasn’t tax cuts (the stimulus contained almost $300 billion in tax cuts) but deficit reduction and rolling back regulation. I’ve yet to see a single economist convincingly argue how either would have reversed the catastrophic job losses.

From all sides: “He took his eye off jobs by pushing health care.”

Not really. Health care consumed enormous time and political capital in late 2009 and early 2010. But with the stimulus new and still being absorbed (with remarkably little scandal) into the American economy, it’s not as if health care distracted the president from another jobs program in that period. Sure, he should have rhetorically “pivoted to jobs” earlier, but substantively it wouldn’t have made much difference. And Republicans have offered no evidence for their claim that the Affordable Care Act (which includes tax credits for small businesses) has contributed to current levels of unemployment. How could it? The program hasn’t even fully begun yet.

The all-purpose explanation from the business community is “uncertainty.” We’re told that people, and enterprises, won’t invest because they aren’t sure about future taxes. This is a crock. “People invest to make money,” the noted lefty socialist Warren E. Buffett recently wrote in the New York Times, “and potential taxes have never scared them off.”

Again, from all sides: “He looked weak during the debt- limit debate.”

Yep. And if you were president and a group of extremists was pointing a gun at the head of the American economy, what would you have done? Invoking the 14th Amendment sounded satisfying, but a constitutional crisis layered on top of a debt-limit crisis would have been a fiasco, and probably would have ensured default as world markets spent months wondering who in the U.S. had the authority to pay our bills.

Be Specific

Elections involving incumbents are inevitably hire/fire decisions. With foreign policy mostly off the table, hiring a Republican means buying his or her jobs plan. Firing Obama means rejecting where he has come down on big decisions. He and Romney will unveil their jobs plans in September. In the meantime, I’d like to hear from Democrats, Republicans and especially independents who voted for Obama the last time but have given up on him now. Why?

Your mission, Jim, should you decide to accept it, is to be specific and rational, not vague and visceral.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Your mission Jonathan, should you decide to accept it, is to stop lusting after that failed negro.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   11:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: no gnu taxes (#1)

Your mission Jonathan, should you decide to accept it, is to stop lusting after that failed negro.

In other words, you have nothing specific to offer.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-29   11:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#2)

In other words, you have nothing specific to offer.

Oh, I don't know about that. If asked, I'm sure he could give a great description of Bush's anal canal.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-29   12:07:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lucysmom (#2)

Oh damn, who doesn't have a lot to offer? Your warped political views just wouldn't accept them.

His absolute waste of a year on a health care scheme people don't even want? Even at that, he never really offered anything, -- just teleprompted whatever Pelosi's plan of the day was.

His failed stimulus -- which did nothing but prop up badly over extending local programs for a short time and resulted in massive new deficits.

His abyssmal response to the Gulf oil spill.

Need more?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   12:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: no gnu taxes (#4)

Need more?

Yep, details. That's what specific means.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-29   12:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lucysmom (#5)

Yep, details. That's what specific means.

How can he just post platitudes if you keep asking him for details?

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-29   12:40:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lucysmom, no gnu taxes, ALL (#5) (Edited)

Yep, details. That's what specific means.

You're given 'details', facts with documented proof of Obama's failures every single day, yet you still deny it, most here are just plain sick of your adolescent whinning when you have no answers. That lazy lard ass has done nothing good for this nation, he's done nothing to bring us together as a people, but he's gone out of his way to separate us into races and create racewars. I challenge you to post here Anything good he has done for this nation since he's been in office, anything, but you won't, you're too stupid, you passed ignorant a long time ago.

What has he done to create jobs? What has he done for this economy, show us where he has brought our soldiers home and ended war....

Same here, details, 'specific details'....

Murron  posted on  2011-08-29   12:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Murron (#7) (Edited)

What has he done to create jobs? What has he done for this economy, show us where he has brought our soldiers home and ended war....

I think he should end all wars and actions and send those soldiers home to compete with others for what's left of the jobs here. What's another million additional job applicants...give or take?

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-29   12:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#4)

You were given specifics.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   13:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold (#8)

Why do you think Bush was a bad President?

Give specifics.

Tax cuts for the rich?

Everybody got tax cuts and the rich's share went up. The economy grew after them.. Obama loves those tax cuts.

Open borders?

ditto for Obama. Probably more so.

Wall Street?

Obama has been their best friend

Wars?

Obama loves them

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   13:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: no gnu taxes (#10) (Edited)

Why do you think Bush was a bad President?

Give specifics.

Tax cuts for the rich?

Everybody got tax cuts and the rich's share went up. The economy grew after them.. Obama loves those tax cuts.

Open borders?

ditto for Obama. Probably more so.

Wall Street?

Obama has been their best friend

Wars?

Obama loves them

I'll pass because this thread is about Obama.

Sounds Obama did everything that big business wants and our good capitalist economy should be a humming away. Maybe it's time for a new system.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-29   13:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#11)

I'll pass because this thread is about Obama. you know you are full of shit.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   13:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Brian S, no gnu taxes, lucysmom, Skip Intro (#0)

Your mission, Jim (and readers named something else), should you decide to accept it, is to identify where Obama has been a poor decision-maker. What, specifically, has he done wrong on policy? What, specifically, would you have done differently to create jobs? And what can any of the current Republican candidates offer that would be an improvement on the employment front?

President Obama has been ineffective in combatting the high unemployment rate which, at 9.2%, exceeds the highest rate since the Reagan recession in 1983.

The debt on January 20, 2008 stood at:

10,626,877,048,913.08

As of August 25, 2011 the debt stood at:

14,653,547,886,356.11

The Federal debt from President George Washington to President Jimmy Carter did not exceed $1T total. Under President Obama we are adding over $1T per year.

Your mission, Jim (and readers named something else), should you decide to accept it, is to identify where Obama has been a poor decision-maker. What, specifically, has he done wrong on policy?

President Obama has failed to produce a budget plan. President Obama has failed to produce a jobs plan. On major domestic issues he has been ineffective at best, irrelevant at worst. What specifically President Obama has done wrong on policy re jobs, unemployment and the economy is fail to effectively lead. What President Obama has done wrong specifically re the budget is fail to propose one.

What, specifically, would you have done differently to create jobs?

If I cannot solve a problem does not impute effectiveness to another who has demonstrated he cannot solve the problem.

And what can any of the current Republican candidates offer that would be an improvement on the employment front?

President Obama has demonstrated his ineffectiveness. A different person could either demonstrate effectiveness, less ineffectiveness, equal ineffectiveness, or more ineffectiveness. Criticism of the GOP field does nothing to affect an assessment President Obama as decision maker.

It could be argued that the economy is in such a mess that no effective measures exist. The question is whether a continuation of the current presidency offers any realistic hope of an improvement, or if the alternative will offer more or less hope of improvement or be fraught with some other concern. The current economic course is unsustainable.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-29   13:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold, no gnu taxes (#11)

Why do you think Bush was a bad President?

Give specifics.

Bush and the GOP reversed the Clinton surplus - returning the money back to the tax payer while increasing govt spend and barrow policies.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   13:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Godwinson (#14)

Bush and the GOP reversed the Clinton surplus

There was no Clinton surplus. Clinton fought the GOP every step of the way in balancing the budget, in fact. What ended the Clinton surplus was his lack of foresight in the upcoming dot com bubble.

Pretty fucking weak, even for you.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   13:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes, mininggold (#10)

You make an excellent argument that, on the greater issues, the governance of the Dems or GOP are frequently indistinguishable, rhetoric notwithstanding.

Like the NFC and the AFC, they contest a political Super Bowl, only once every four years. In football, both teams play for the same boss, the NFL. In politics, both teams appear to play for the same boss, but it is not We the People.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-29   13:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: no gnu taxes (#15)

There was no Clinton surplus.

You are a filthy little liar.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

PS: Even if the dot com bubble inflated the surplus - it would have been nice to have that money in pocket when Bush era emergencies came along like 9/11, Iraq+Afghanistan, Katrina, Wall Street collapse, etc.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   13:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Godwinson (#17)

Pretty fucking weak, even for you

--

Let us establish one point definitively: Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution.

Many in the media have flubbed this story. The New York Times on October 1st said, "Clinton balances the budget." Others have praised George Bush. Political analyst Bill Schneider declared on CNN that Bush is one of "the real heroes" for his willingness to raise taxes -- and never mind read my lips. (Once upon a time, lying was something that was considered wrong in Washington, but under the last two presidents our standards have dropped.) In any case, crediting George Bush for the end of the deficit requires some nifty logical somersaults, since the deficit hit its Mount Everest peak of $290 billion in St. George's last year in office.

And 1993 -- the year of the giant Clinton tax hike -- was not the turning point in the deficit wars, either. In fact, in 1995, two years after that tax hike, the budget baseline submitted by the president's own Office of Management and Budget and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted $200 billion deficits for as far as the eye could see. The figure shows the Clinton deficit baseline. What changed this bleak outlook?

Newt Gingrich and company -- for all their faults -- have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet the surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.

We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion.

Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.

Now let us contrast this with the Clinton fiscal record. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan -- a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as "pure demagoguery." It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."

And lest we forget, it was Bill Clinton and his wife who tried to engineer a federal takeover of the health care system -- a plan that would have sent the government's finances into the stratosphere. Tom Delay was right: for Clinton to take credit for the balanced budget is like Chicago Cubs pitcher Steve Trachsel taking credit for delivering the pitch to Mark McGuire that he hit out of the park for his 62nd home run.

The figure shows that the actual cumulative budget deficit from 1994 to 1998 was almost $600 billion below the Clintonomics baseline. Part of the explanation for the balanced budget is that Republicans in Congress had the common sense to reject the most reckless features of Clintonomics. Just this year, Bill Clinton's budget proposed more than $100 billion in new social spending -- proposals that were mostly tossed overboard. It's funny, but back in January the White House didn't seem too concerned about saving the surplus for "shoring up Social Security."

We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion. Is this the kind of balanced budget that fiscal conservatives want? A budget with no deficit, but that funds the biggest government ever?

So the budget is balanced, but now comes the harder part: cutting the budget. Bill Clinton has laid down a marker in the political debate with his "save Social Security first," gambit. That theme should be turned against him and his government expansionist agenda. Congress should respond: No new government programs until we have fixed Social Security. This means no IMF bailouts. No new day care subsidies. No extending Medicare coverage to 55-year-olds. (Honestly, if Clinton has his way, it won't be long till teenagers are eligible for Medicare.)

The budget surpluses over the next five years could easily exceed $500 billion. Leaving all of that extra money lying around within the grasp of vote-buying politicians is an invitation to financial mischief. If Congress and the president use the surpluses to fund a new spending spree, we may find that surpluses are more a curse than a blessing.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   13:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: no gnu taxes, mininggold, nolu chan (#16)

You make an excellent argument that, on the greater issues, the governance of the Dems or GOP are frequently indistinguishable, rhetoric notwithstanding.

On foreign policy the two parties are so alike it is very Soviet in nature - as if the decision was pre- approved by the State Dept or some institutional organization that has power over war and state craft (the so called MIC?) which then tells the elected officials how to vote (and most go along with it - either not knowing enough facts to challenge the MIC or not caring - either of which are plausible American mental characteristics).

As for the domestic front, there is more differences than not. Compromises make it seem like the parties are just two sides of the same coin, but unlike foreign policy/war/state issues aka the "gun" in guns & butter spending - there are clear defining differences between R & D regarding social issues aka the "butter" in guns & butter spending.

Why? Probably because the real power behind the throne - the so called MIC does not care much about domestic issues as long as they don't get in the way of the military spending and state dept foreign policy issues.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   13:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: no gnu taxes (#18)

Listen, sparky. Whoever balanced the budget and a good claim can be made it was a joint effort - the Bush and GOP party ran against that policy that Gore wanted to continue on the idea that the money should be returned to the American people because the govt had a surplus and that the American people were better judges on what to spend their money on.

7 years later into UNDOING what was done under Clinton and the Gingrich era GOP the country's economy collapsed.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   13:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Godwinson (#20)

Gore wanted to continue on the idea that the money should be returned to the American people because the govt had a surplus

First even IF Gore had that policy, the surplus was sure to be gone if he had become President because of the coming dot com bubble recession.

Bush was against the policy of returning money to the people? He's the one who gave tax breaks to everybody.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   13:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Godwinson (#19)

the so called MIC

What are you -- some kind of 50s throwback? Noboby uses that term anymore.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   13:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: no gnu taxes (#21) (Edited)

the surplus was sure to be gone if he had become President because of the coming dot com bubble recession.

No. It just meant less money came in but the money in the bank would have stayed there - in fact - the money could have been re-invested in things to offset the tech bubble and to decrease the need to barrow money when revenue fell.

I did not write Bush was against the policy of returning money to the people - I said that idiot's policy of returning the money to the American people by lowering Clinton/Gingrich era tax rates fucked us up.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   13:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: no gnu taxes (#22)

What are you -- some kind of 50s throwback? Noboby uses that term anymore.

Whatever the term - I don't see why 99% of congress vote the same way over and over again on foreign policy issues - regardless of who is the majority unless they differ to a higher unconstitutional institutional authority than their own constitutional one. What else to explain the uniformity of foreign policy that spans decades? For example, during the Iraq war Spain's opposition party promised that if they won they would remove troops from Iraq. They won and a few months later the troops came home. A clear change of policy with administration. In the USA - despite rhetoric of whoever is running - the foreign policies continue - no matter who comes into office - with minor cosmetic tweaks.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   13:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: no gnu taxes, Godwinson (#18)

Let us establish one point definitively: Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution.

When accounting gimmicks are eliminated and "off-budget" items are put back in, the real public debt as officially reported has risen every year since the Eisenhower administration (1957). There was no Clinton surplus, but Clinton did almost eliminate the deficit.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

09/30/2010 - 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 - 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 - 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 - 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 - 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 - 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 - 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 - 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 - 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 - 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 - 5,674,178,209,886.86

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

09/30/1999 - 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 - 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 - 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 - 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 - 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 - 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 - 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 - 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 - 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 - 3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 - 2,857,430,960,187.32

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-29   15:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Godwinson, no gnu taxes (#24)

Whatever the term - I don't see why 99% of congress vote the same way over and over again on foreign policy issues - regardless of who is the majority unless they differ to a higher unconstitutional institutional authority than their own constitutional one.

I agree. The actions of our elected representatives indicate they do not answer to us. The items greatly affecting money and power are controlled, e.g. NAFTA, GATT, immigration, war against whatever. Items up for grabs to keep the people occupied include abortion, gay rights, etc. It does not particularly matter what we call the higher power; it's existence is what matters.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-29   15:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: nolu chan, no gnu taxes (#25)

but Clinton did almost eliminate the deficit.

What is missed out about the Clinton era tax policies is that the Republicans under Bush sought to eliminate a govt budget/tax balance that was working in favor of an economic policy that was fatuous.

Cheney said as much when he said deficits did not matter. The GOP under Bush purposefully supported an economic policy that did not work and they knew it did not work all for domestic political gain.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   15:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: nolu chan (#25)

but Clinton did almost eliminate the deficit. was President when the deficit was almost eliminated.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   15:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Godwinson (#23)

It just meant less money came in

The abosolute main cause of budget deficits are bad economies and smaller budget deficits/ surpluses are good economies.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   15:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Godwinson (#27)

Cheney said as much when he said deficits did not matter

And Clinton said budget deficits weren't his priority, and forecasted 200 billion dollar deficits into perpetuity, so what's your point?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   16:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: no gnu taxes (#30)

Once more to dispel your BS:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   16:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Godwinson (#31)

It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP’s balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that “balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities.”

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   16:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: no gnu taxes (#32) (Edited)

until he begrudgingly matched the GOP’s balanced-budget plan

The same budget that George Bush and his collaborationist congress ran against and through out the window in favor of tax cuts. All based on the lie that returning that extra few % that were raised during Clinton's era back to taxpayers would make the economy boom and add jobs and grow the economy and bring in more revenue......

How that work out?

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   16:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Godwinson (#33)

All based on the lie that returning that extra few % that were raised during Clinton's era back to taxpayers would make the economy boom and add jobs and grow the economy and bring in more revenue......

And what happened from 2003 to 2007 until the Democrats took Congress back and the CRA and GRE came home to roost?

And tax cuts were not a major 2000 election issue.

Also, once again, Clinton Administration:

In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that “balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities.”

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   16:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: no gnu taxes (#34) (Edited)

And what happened from 2003 to 2007 until the Democrats took Congress back and the CRA and GRE came home to roost?

Revenues crashed as the economy stalled. But smaller % of taxes should mean more growth? Hey! Wha happened?

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-29   17:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: no gnu taxes, Godwinson (#29)

The abosolute main cause of budget deficits are bad economies and smaller budget deficits/ surpluses are good economies.

When the Federal government borrows over 40% of every dollar it spends, runs up $1 Trillion dollar deficits, and incurs over 400 Billion per year in interest on the debt, the problem cannot be explained simply by a good or bad economy. The Great Depression did not cause a mess like that.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-29   18:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Godwinson (#35)

But smaller % of taxes should mean more growth? Hey! Wha happened?

Already told you. The Democratic Party fiascos known as the CRA and GSEs came home to roost.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-29   18:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

Tell me again why Barack Obama has been such a bad president?

First and foremost is that he refuses to take responsibility for his mistakes. There is one iron clad rule of leadership. Winners take responsibility for their mistakes and losers blame others. Obama has blamed Bush, Wall Street, the Japanese earthquake, the Arab uprisings, Oil companies, the Tea Party, owners of private jets, the "rich", Gold "speculators", Europe, and even ATM machines for the condition of the economy. This demonstrates that he is the biggest loser to ever occupy the White House.

What were his policy mistakes?

1.) The "stimulus". The stimulus was one of the most ill-conceived bills in modern history. A big part of the money went to temporarily save the jobs of state and local government bureaucrats, who subsequently were laid off when the stimulus money ran out. The other big part of it went to gimmicks like tax rebates and temporary "targeted" tax breaks, neither of which ever work. The "stimulus" put us $800 billion further into debt for nothing. Less than $60 billion of the bill was for infrastructure projects. We would have been much better off with a $200 billion or $400 billion bill which completely went towards infrastructure projects.

2.) He ran away from his own deficit commission's report. Obama's bi-partisan commission produce a credible plan to reduce the projected increase in the national debt by $4 trillion over the next 10 years. The program would have also dramatically simplified the tax code by getting rid of economy distorting special interest tax breaks. The top tax rate would have been lowered to 23%, yet the government would have collected nearly $1 trillion more in taxes over next decade. Obama ran away from it like it was the plague.

3.) He let Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid lead on the healthcare reform bill. The result is a convoluted nightmare that no one understands. Over 1,000 organizations, including Obama's union buddies have received waivers so that they don't have to comply with the bill. Businesses are scared to death on what this will actually mean to them once it is fully implemented in 2014.

4.) He's allowed the EPA and other regulatory agencies to run wild, creating new job destroying regulations in the energy sector and elsewhere. For example, Obama's EPA just release new regulations that will likely force 86 of the nation's 600 coal-fired plants into early retirement. This could cost 1.4 million jobs between now and 2020 and dramatically raise electricity rates.

The Obama administration is a complete and utter disaster of monumental proportions. I suspect that nothing is going to get significantly better until he is booted from office.


In a global economy, borrowing money to stimulate demand is a foolish proposition -- jwpegler

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-29   20:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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