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Title: Christians Blast Bloomberg For Not Inviting God To 9/11 Memorial Ceremony
Source: gothamist
URL Source: http://gothamist.com/2011/08/24/chr ... ns_blast_bloomberg_for_not.php
Published: Aug 25, 2011
Author: gothamist
Post Date: 2011-08-25 12:12:01 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 56296
Comments: 76

The atheists aren't the only ones making a stink about the goings-on at Ground Zero; the former Deputy Mayor under Rudy Giuliani is lambasting Mayor Bloomberg for excluding religion from the upcoming 10th anniversary ceremony at the World Trade Center. "This is America, and to have a memorial service where there's no prayer, this appears to be insanity to me," Rudy Washington tells the Wall Street Journal. "I feel like America has lost its way."

Bloomberg has never let spiritual leaders hold prayers or sermonize at any of the annual 9/11 gatherings, but Washington, who organized an interfaith ceremony at Yankee Stadium after the attack in 2001, says he's "very upset" Bloomberg isn't making an exception this year (it being the diamond anniversary and all). And Washington's not the only God-fearing fulminator: City Council Member Fernando Cabrera, a pastor at New Life Outreach International in the Bronx, says he's just plain "shocked" the clergy isn't on the list.

To be fair, it is quite an exclusive event this year; even Chris Christie had to practically beg to get a plus-one. "There are hundreds of important people that have offered to participate over the last nine years, but the focus remains on the families of the thousands who died on Sept. 11," Evelyn Erskine, a mayoral spokeswoman, tells the Journal. That's a very diplomatic statement, but we all know the real reason is the mayor doesn't want the headache of another atheist lawsuit.

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#8. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

Just goes to show how impotent the government is in the lives and faith of real Americans anymore. Churches will have their own services. I am attending one in my state. We don't need the government to sponsor worship. If Bloomberg doesn't want to make a stand for the God who has blessed the United States, then he better be prepared to pay the consequences. That's ok with me. Let him personally pay the consequences.

No matter what he does, he can't stop people from worshiping and praying.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-25   15:19:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: diva betsy ross, Brian S, Fred Mertz, Skip Intro (#8)

If Bloomberg doesn't want to make a stand for the God who has blessed the United States...

has blessed - past tense? You mean on 9/11 God stopped blessing America?

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-25   15:35:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Godwinson (#11)

No, I don't mean that at all. How silly. God still blesses those who say: God bless America. That is the way it has always worked.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-25   22:13:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: diva betsy ross (#18)

God still blesses those who say: God bless America. That is the way it has always worked.

Please goto an indigenous "Indian" reservation in the USA and tell the tribal chief whom suffers from diabetes, Alzheimer Disease, alcoholism. And, while you are at it, as you find time, please go down into a USA central city (ANYWHERE, USA) and tell the locals your remarckable conclusions.

In two simple and obvious cases I am sure you shall start a riot and it won't be laffing.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-25   22:24:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#19) (Edited)

Are you serious? No you can not be a serious thinker.

You do know that I am Sioux and Cherokee... right? I am also NOT an Indian, that is such a bunch of PC crap. "Indeginious Indian" is also PC crap, fool~ and shows a total lack of understating. Indians are from India.

Get it right.. Tribal people are called by the tribe and their clan. I am Sioux, Cherokee and a Highlander of Scotland, and my ancestors were in the Sudbury Militia , at the beginning of the Revolutionary War. I know exactly what they were fighting about.

Step off, buck. You are a real fool sometimes.

PC- Indians- who know better.. (Pleaseeeee) Fool.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-26   7:54:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: diva betsy ross (#20)

Are you serious? No you can not be a serious thinker.

Since you want to answer your own rhetorical questions, I should allow you to continue wondering about my truthful statements. But, I won't let you keep hanging.

This idea that "God is Good" under the condition that a creator is entirely faith based within say, the Christian faith or the Muslim faith or the Buddhist faith or the Hindu faith et al., is foolish to consider for most serious or critical thinking people. Now, don't misunderstand my viewpoint: religious faith in a creator is important to each and everyone but the idea that any single faith is more genuine, "godlike", divine and so forth is silly to me.

The history of the Christian faith is filled with hate-mongering more so than any other religion on the planet. It attempts to subject everyone to its interpretation of the creator and the fundamental purpose of mankind's being. And, you can verify this statement through the Holy Bible and where the Bible leaves off from "Revelations" the history of Man takes over from there to the present time.

The subjugation of land and peoples throughout history is as much a part of the Christian faith as it is today. I am afraid, although you are a devout Christian, that you just don't know what you are talking about.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-26   8:20:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#21)

As I said buck, you are a fool. You let the Devil keep you on the reservation, where you are confined and easily led.. and a victim of your own victimhood.

You have no ability to discern truth from fiction. Religion is indeed responsible for much violence throughout the history of the world.

But I am not talking about religion. I don't have a religion. No one in my family tree had a religion that I am aware of....

Faith is something you do not know about from your ancestral origins, from your knowledge of American history, from your knowledge of the Bible, from your knowledge of Jesus, or from your ability to have a critical thought.

The proof is in the pudding. My family tree is full of outrageous blessings and prosperity and good health ,for hundreds of years-and I believe, like they believed, that it is because we have favor with God.

Anyone can have favor with God, if they so choose. Seems you choose NOT to have favor- and much of your ancestry chose NOT to have favor.

I know exactly what I am talking about. You are a victim of revisionist history.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-26   9:13:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: diva betsy ross (#22)

You are a victim of revisionist history.

So, the love of the Christian God, spreading joy and good cheer around the world because of the central thrust of manifest destiny is revisionist?

Have you ever studied any attribute or the ramifications of and about the Christian faith over the last 2000 years? Or any others?

Now, despite two consecutive posts by yourself to show how exceptional your own family is does not discount the world wide influences that religion has played out upon ALL civilization. In the case of modern America, the Christian faith imposes a fundamental political force into international policies and that same religious force has gotten America into a lot of trouble, today.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-26   9:23:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#24. To: buckeroo (#23) (Edited)

Firstly, there is one God. The major religions of the world are talking about the same God, the God of Abraham.

Christ followers are disciples of Jesus Christ. Jesus, was a human, who had a three year ministry- over 2,000 years ago- who walked the Earth and told us HOW to worship the God of Abraham. He died on a cross, from a horrible death- because humans were manipulating the word of God, for their own greed and power.

Jesus was willing to die a death, that was so horrific- and is remembered over 2,000 years later- so that people like you could hear about how much he didn't want humans to manipulate the word of God.

That doesn't mean that *religious* people are all going to stop- BUT someone will come along one day and tell you to disregard the *religious* and go open a Bible for yourself. AND someone just did.

Most world religions recognize Jesus as a great man and a great prophet, at the very least. Where we disagree is how much credibility he has as having been born of the spirit of God. Go and google the book of Romans and start reading.

Christ followers believe he was directly given to us, by the hand of God and filled with GOd, to teach us how to worship God.

Those of us who believe that have been blessed and healed beyond measure- so figure that one out. WHy do you think people are willing to die, to stand up for the name of Jesus. (Because we know the blessings and where they come from).

Ask yourself why people would choose actual, painful death- over renouncing the name of Jesus? And not just a few people, either..

Some people, in history chose to be nailed to a cross and left to die- rather than renounce Jesus. That is historical fact.. not fantasy.

It is Jesus, who is the one who tells us to give up religion, and who rebukes the religious leaders- and tells us to go straight to him- and love one another, because that is what God wants. Jesus is the one who was led to the slaughter by the religious- because he was taking their power way.

Educate yourself.

Jesus was a rebel and a free thinker- whose sole purpose was to set our spirits free from the destructive manipulations of other humans- who did not, themselves, understand the character of God, and did not love us.

I am sorry that you do not understand that humans will try to manipulate you with all sorts of labels and words and fancy ceremonies called religion.

I am sorry that you do not open a Bible and read it for yourself and find that Jesus is not the person you have been led to think he is.

That shows your laziness and your foolishness to not find out for yourself, WHO Jesus is and what he was saying. But that is not the case for every American. Some of us get it. Don't blame us for our prosperity and peace. You could have it too.

Bibles are free in most places- you can research online for yourself- and yet you continue to repeat your ignorance, and be held captive to other people's thoughts on the matter.

AND you will die that way, into meaninglessness- because you never took the time to think for yourself.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-26 09:41:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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