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Title: Georgia Southern University digs at newly discovered WAR between the States POW camp
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URL Source: http://www.georgiasouthern.edu/camplawton/index.php/introduction
Published: Aug 20, 2011
Author: Dr. Sue Moore
Post Date: 2011-08-20 21:46:13 by Mad Dog
Keywords: new digs, at newly discovered, WAR between the states POW cam
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In 2009, Georgia Southern University's Department of Sociology and Anthropology began a project to investigate the archeology at Camp Lawton, a Civil War prisoner of war camp situated in Jenkins County, Georgia. Working with the Georgia Department of Natural Resources and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, archeologists used the drawings of Private Robert Knox Sneden, a prisoner at the camp, to designate several initial survey areas and to identify the likely location of the camp stockade. About that same time, we learned that Dr. John Derden of East Georgia College was completing a history of Camp Lawton. His knowledge and expertise provided valuable guidance to the archeological project. In December 2009, the LAMAR Institute (a private archeological research group) did ground penetrating radar (GPR) in an area where we believed the stockade walls crossed. GPR allows archeologists to "see" beneath the ground surface using sound waves, allowing us to dig more efficiently. GPR showed a distinct disturbance in this area and this is where we dug our first test trenches. Work has continued in this area in an effort to gather enough information to reconstruct a partial replica of the stockade wall. Work in one of the survey areas began in January 2010. We began by digging inside the stockade enclosure north of Magnolia Springs Creek to determine if anything remained of the place where prisoners lived and worked. We did not expect to find much. The archeological team assumed that over the years most of the artifacts had been removed, much like at Andersonville Prison. If the artifacts had not been taken, then it was assumed that surely years of cultivation and landscaping would have destroyed almost all evidence of the occupation! Much to our surprise - and delight - this was not the case. The archeology has slowly begun to yield critical new information about life in this Civil War prison. It adds a new dimension to the history of Camp Lawton and, more importantly, provides insight into the experiences of prisoners who were held there — those who survived and those who did not. Even though the camp was occupied for only six weeks, we have found a complex story of loss and hardship along with survival and ingenuity, a story that is vital to our understanding of the experiences of Civil War soldiers, both Union and Confederate, during the tumultuous March to the Sea. - Dr. Sue Moore MUCH more at "FULL TEXT link"
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. Yeah, a "little thing" called the "Civil WAR" or "the WAR between the States" or "the WAR against northern aggression" or .... Do any AMERICANS remember it?
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
The war of Northern Aggression was a definite turn for the worse in government. Adherence to the Constitution and rule of law haven't returned since. The Marxist tyrant Lincoln dealt the United States a fatal blow, as history has proven. His brains were blown out too late to reverse the downward path of the USA, but does serve as a warning to present and future presidents what can happen when you push we the people too far. Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Jimmiah Carter, the Bush team, and hObama, continue in the footsteps of Lincoln. That list is not complete, but it's the worst of them, IMO.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Not me as I am far too young. I do recall when in elementary school that good ol' Abe freed the slaves and then the GREAT PUMPKIN decided to build a cathedral to him at the Mall in Washington DC.
Amen! Yet the SOB gets a monument to his "honesty" and named as one of America's "great" presidents instead of the unmarked grave a traitor deserves.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
What most people seem to have never learned or to have forgotten is that the ONLY slaves he "freed" were the ones he had no dominion over,the ones in the south. Not a single slave was freed in the north by the Emancipation Proclamation. Not even the ones owned by US Grant. Seems like Lincoln was the first Clinton.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
. Without ANY doubt the current feral gooberment was birthed in the blood of Americans who fought that WAR. Although it took generations, (about five as I count, it my great grandfather fought for South Carolina); for the said feral gooberment to reach actual every day operative superiority OVER the entities formerly known as the several "States". Which is where we are NOW. If the AMERICAN people can't rope in this feral gooberment starting last November and continuing until our "Hate America FIRST!" libTARD/demonRAT/"progressive"/establishment poliwhore/repukelican't/would be masters of the world/wannabe TYRANTS foes are driven from the field and totally destroyed AMERICA and AMERICANS are fucked. What cannot be done in peace according to the rule of LAW, WILL STILL BE DONE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. because it MUST be done. A gooberment "threatening" a FREE people is actually pretty funny. ANY gooberment. because ... One "Chairman Mao" quote that I have always agreed with, and known as a GIVEN TRUTH, especially HERE in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA is ... "Power comes from the barrel of a gun." I'm telling you that I think that there are certain INSANE ASSHOLES in THIS gooberment that really do think that they want to start an actual CIVIL WAR. These racist commie idiots want to HURT US ALL. I believe that they KNOW NO LAW. This regime is already the most LAWLESS regime EVER in US history. They WILL come for our firearms, hell, they already are trying. IF that happens ... THEN we will see who is talking and who is walking. These people are INSANE. There are VERY dangerous times coming right NOW. This miserable racist FRAUD bastard, the little failed man child messiah "king" obammy, is capable of ANYTHING. He WILL try to start riots and divide us by any means he can. That's HIS SOP. He doesn't even know anything else to do. He is nothing but a tool of his masters, who ALL HATE US and AMERICA. He WILL say anything, and he will do anything to be re-elected. Hey thanks alot to all of you gibbering idiots who voted for him, (the failed messiah "king" obammy), how's that "change" working out for YOU? There really is NO tomorrow here. TIME TO FISH, OR CUT BAIT! LEAD, FOLLOW, or get the HELL OUT OF THE WAY!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Yeah, but at least the country was spared Mary Todd as NY Senator and Sec'y of State.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ The name in the Official Records is The War of the Rebellion. Another name would be The War for Southern Independence.
Lincoln's view that the Union created the States, and the States were nothing more than large counties has an interest concurrence, plus the dissent of Ronald Reagan. This effectively stood the government of the Framers on its head. During the war, the U.S. Supreme Court was packed with ten (10) members, five (5) of whom were appointed by Lincoln. The Court went through contortions to not find various government acts to be unconstitutional. Much of the legal precedent cited by the GW Bush administration came from the Civil War era court. Bad precedent, even for a purported good cause, is just bad. A current example might be the Health Care mandate. Supporters claim the failure to purchase is an act affecting interstate commerce, empowering compulsory purchase under the power to regulate interstate commerce. Arguably they contort the law for a good cause, health care. However one considers the cause, the precent would be horrible. If the failure to buy a commercial product is an illegal act, the expansion from health care to other products would appear limitless. It is beyond the Framers' wildest dreams. During the war, an unconstitutional, unapportioned income tax was implemented, and the Internal Revenue Bureau created to enforce collection. The first national police force was also formed. Effectively, the form of government was revolutionized from Federal to National. Early arrivals to the Philadelphia convention used the term national in an early draft. When the rest of the delegates arrived, the term national was stricken. It was considered, rejected, and removed. A federal government was adopted. The Hamiltonians of the Revolutionary era, and radical republicans of the civil war era favored a national system. Quotes from Lincoln regarding the relationship between the Federal (or national) government and the State governments illuminate the issue: By: Lincoln's message of July 4, 1861 to the Special Session of Congress. Lincoln's message of July 4, 1861 to the Special Session of Congress. - - - For a concurring opinion: This theoretical definition does not apply in practice, at least not without some alterations, to any existing confederation of states in the world today. It applies the least to the American Union of States. Most of these individual states never possessed any sovereignty whatsoever. They were gradually brought into the framework of the union as a whole. Therefore. the various states of the American Union constitute, in most instances smaller or larger territories that were formed for technical administrative reasons and their borders were frequently drawn with a roler. These states never possessed any previous sovereignty of their own because that would have been impossible. These states did not come together to create the Union, but it was the Union that created these so-called states. The extensive rights of independence that were relinquished, or rather rights that were granted, to the different territories are in harmony with the whole character of this confederation of states and with the vastness of its area and overall size which is almost as large as a continent. So, in referring to the states of the American Union, one cannot speak of their state sovereignty, but only of their constitutionally guaranteed rights, which we could more accurately designate as privileges. By: Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Uncensored Version, The Ford Translation, ISBN 978-0-9845361-3-9, p. 460 - - - For a dissenting opinion: Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural Address, Tuesday, January 20, 1981 - - -
Another reason why I loathe good ol' Abe: BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: A PROCLAMATION Whereas, it has become necessary to call into service not only volunteers but also portions of the militia of the States by draft in order to suppress the insurrection existing in the United States, and disloyal persons are not adequately restrained by the ordinary processes of law from hindering this measure and from giving aid and comfort in various ways to the insurrection; Now, therefore, be it ordered, first, that during the existing insurrection and as a necessary measure for suppressing the same, all Rebels and Insurgents, their aiders and abettors within the United States, and all persons discouraging volunteer enlistments, resisting militia drafts, or guilty of any disloyal practice, affording aid and comfort to Rebels against the authority of United States, shall be subject to martial law and liable to trial and punishment by Courts Martial or Military Commission: Second. That the Writ of Habeas Corpus is suspended in respect to all persons arrested, or who are now, or hereafter during the rebellion shall be, imprisoned in any fort, camp, arsenal, military prison, or other place of confinement by any military authority of by the sentence of any Court Martial or Military Commission. In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed. Done at the City of Washington this twenty fourth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, and of the Independence of the United States the 87th. ABRAHAM LINCOLN By the President: WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State. What is a Writ of Habeas Corpus? A writ of habeas corpus is a judicially enforceable order issued by a court of law to a prison official ordering that a prisoner be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that prisoner had been lawfully imprisoned and, if not, whether he or she should be released from custody. A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The petition must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error. The right of habeas corpus is the constitutionally bestowed right of a person to present evidence before a court that he or she has been wrongly imprisoned. In effect, hondo was fully correct in his opinion.
Thanks for the info. I was aware of both of those but others may not have been. There were many names for that WAR. AMERICANS were still individuals who valued individualism over conformity back then.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
The writ itself is not supposed to be suspended at any time. It is the privilege of the writ that is to be suspended. The writ is supposed to issue, and a response may document a proper suspension as satisfactory return of the writ. The privilege of the writ speaks to producing the body. Prior to Lincoln's proclamation, Stanton had already suspended the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus by order of August 8, 1862. OFFICIAL RECORDS: Series 3, vol 2, Part 1 (Union Letters, Orders, Reports) Page 321 UNION AUTHORITIES. Washington City, D. C., August 8, 1862. ORDER AUTHORIZING ARRESTS OF PERSONS DISCOURAGING ENLISTMENTS. Ordered: 1. That all U. S. marshals and superintendents or chiefs of police of any town, city, or district be, and they are hereby, authorized and directed to arrest and imprison any person or persons who may be engaged, by act, speech, or writing, in discouraging volunteer enlistments, or in any way giving aid and comfort to the enemy, or in any other disloyal practice against the United States. 2. That immediate report be made to Major L. C. Turner, judge- advocate, in order that such may be tried before a military commission. Page 322 CORRESPONDENCE, ETC. 3. The expenses of such arrest and imprisonment will be certified to the chief clerk of the War Department for settlement and payment. EDWIN M. STANTON, Secretary of War. OFFICIAL RECORDS: Series 3, vol 2, Part 1 (Union Letters, Orders, Reports) Page 370 CORRESPONDENCE, ETC. Numbers 104. Washington, August 13, 1862. The following orders are published for the information and guidance of all concerned: --------------- I. WAR DEPARTMENT, Washington City, D. C., August 8, 1862. By direction of the President of the United States, it is hereby ordered that until further order no citizen liable to be drafted into the militia shall be allowed to go to a foreign country. And all marshals, deputy marshals, and military officers of the United States are directed, and all police authorities, especially at the ports of the United States, on the sea-board, and on the frontier, are requested to see that this order is faithfully carried into effect. And they are hereby authorized and directed to arrest and detain any person or persons about to depart from the United States in violation of this order, and report to Major L. C. Turner, judge-advocate, at Washington City, for further instructions respecting the person or persons so arrested or detained. 2. Any person liable to draft who shall absent himself from his county or State before such draft is made will be arrested by any provost-marshal or other United States or State officer wherever he may be found within the jurisdiction of the United States, and be conveyed to the nearest military post or depot and placed on military duty for the term of the draft; and the expenses of his own arrest and conveyance to such post or depot and also the sum of $ 5 as a reward to the officer who shall make such arrest shall be deducted from his pay. 3. The writ of habeas corpus is hereby suspended in respect to all persons so arrested and detained and in respect to all persons arrested for disloyal practices. EDWIN M. STANTON, Secretary of War.
Here Lincoln authorized General Scott to suspend the writ and to further delegate the authority, which he did. It was further delegated and would up being suspended by General Keim in the famous case of Ex parte Merryman. HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY, The undersigned, General-in-Chief, of the Army, has received from the President of the United States the following communication: COMMANDING GENERAL ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES: You are engaged in repressing an insurrection against the laws of the United States. If at any point on or in the vicinity of the military line which is now used between the city of Philadelphia, via Perryville, Annapolis City, and Annapolis Junction, you find resistance which renders it necessary to suspend the writ of habeas corpus for the public safety, you personally, or through the officer in command at the point where resistance occurs, are authorized to suspend that writ. ABRAHAM LINCOLN. In accordance with the foregoing warrant, the undersigned devolves on Major-General Patterson, commanding the Department of Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland; Brigadier-General Butler, commanding the Department of Annapolis, and Colonel Mansfield, commanding the Washington Department, a like authority, each within the limits of his command to execute in all proper cases the instructions of the President. WINFIELD SCOTT.
Thanks for the links, still Lincoln's legacy lives on to this day. And especially since WW2 and even now with the Bush-0bama administrations playing games. I think you claimed Lincoln was the pivotal downfall of America once. Thanks for that correction towards my own considerations about the last 65+ years. Lincoln established the precedent and again that same legacy lives on to this very day.
I don't think I put it quite that way. I contend that the war did not preserve that union that was, but served to revolutionize the form of government. The central government and its power was expanded beyond the wildest dreams of the Framers. The Jeffersonians won the battle of the convention to create a Federal, and not a National, government. The Hamiltonians largely prevailed in obtaining a National system via the civil war. I believe the major turning point was the civil war and the post war amendments. I noted they packed SCOTUS with a 10th justice during the war. After Lincoln was assassinated, Congress moved to lower the membership to 7 through attrition, preventing Dem Johnson from filling any vacancy. When Grant became president, they restored it to 9. The good old days.
Just a question: have you read Paul Johnson, History of the American People?
His bones should be dug up and hanged.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
No. I've never seen that one.
Maybe if they did deep enough they will find Lincoln's soul? Or at least a Chinaman willing to sell them smoke in a bottle that is supposed to be Lincoln's soul.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I contend that it actually destroyed the union. It is no longer a union when states are held against their will,it is a fascist police state. The union was formed voluntarily,and the original 13 colonies did NOT sell themselves into slavery. They signed up with the understanding they could withdraw if the reality failed to match the promise. but served to revolutionize the form of government. Lincoln could be accurately called "The Father of Fascism".
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
#2. To: Mad Dog, *The Two Parties ARE the Same*, *Ron Paul for President* (#1)
(Edited)
Do any AMERICANS remember it?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: Mad Dog (#1)
Do any AMERICANS remember it?
#4. To: hondo68 (#2)
The Marxist tyrant Lincoln dealt the United States a fatal blow, as history has proven.
#5. To: buckeroo (#3)
I do recall when in elementary school that good ol' Abe freed the slaves
#6. To: hondo68 (#2)
#7. To: sneakypete (#5)
Seems like Lincoln was the first Clinton.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#8. To: Mad Dog (#1)
#9. To: hondo68, buckeroo, sneakypete, Get Outta Dodge! (#2)
The Marxist tyrant Lincoln....
What is the particular sacredness of a State? I speak not of that position which is given to a State in and by the Constitution of the United States, for that all of us agree to---we abide by; but that position assumed, that a State can carry with it out of the Union that which it holds in sacredness by virtue of its connection with the Union. I am speaking of that assumed right of a State, as a primary principle, that the Constitution should rule all that is less than itself, and ruin all that is bigger than itself. But, I ask, wherein does consist that right? If a State, in one instance, and a county in another, should be equal in extent of territory, and equal in the number of people, wherein is that State any better than the county?
The States have their status IN the Union, and they have no other legal status. If they break from this, they can only do so against law, and by revolution. The Union, and not themselves separately, procured their independence, and their liberty. By conquest, or purchase, the Union gave each of them, whatever of independence, and liberty, it has. The Union is older than any of the States; and, in fact, it created them as States.
What is a confederation of states? By a confederacy, we mean a group of sovereign states which come together of their own free will and, in virtue of their sovereignty, create a collective entity. In doing so, they assign selective sovereign rights to the national body that will allow it to safeguard the existence of the joint union.
All of us need to be reminded that the Federal Government did not create the States; the States created the Federal Government.
#10. To: nolu chan, hondo68, sneakypete, Get Outta Dodge! (#9)
(Edited)
The Marxist tyrant Lincoln....
On Sept. 24, 1862, President Lincoln issued the following proclamation suspending the right to writs of habeas corpus nationwide.
#11. To: nolu chan (#8)
The name in the Official Records is The War of the Rebellion. Another name would be The War for Southern Independence.
#12. To: buckeroo, hondo68, sneakypete, Get Outta Dodge! (#10)
On Sept. 24, 1862, President Lincoln issued the following proclamation suspending the right to writs of habeas corpus nationwide.
#13. To: buckeroo, hondo68, sneakypete, Get Outta Dodge! (#12)
Page 337 Chapter LXIII. CORRESPONDENCE, ETC. - UNION.
Washington, April 27, 1861.
#14. To: nolu chan (#13)
#15. To: buckeroo (#14)
I think you claimed Lincoln was the pivotal downfall of America once.
#16. To: nolu chan (#15)
#17. To: nolu chan (#9)
So, in referring to the states of the American Union, one cannot speak of their state sovereignty, but only of their constitutionally guaranteed rights, which we could more accurately designate as privileges.
#18. To: buckeroo (#16)
Just a question: have you read Paul Johnson, History of the American People?
#19. To: nolu chan (#12)
#20. To: nolu chan, buckeroo, *Bill of Rights-Constitution*, *Bill of Rights-Constitution* (#15)
I contend that the war did not preserve that union that was,...
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