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Title: Thoughts from Taiwan
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URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2011/08/thoughts-from-taiwan.html
Published: Aug 19, 2011
Author: Eric Blankenburg
Post Date: 2011-08-19 08:36:27 by jwpegler
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Comments: 163
I spent the last week in Taipei, Taiwan visiting a customer. I've been all over Asia, but this was my first trip to Taiwan, other than catching a connecting flight at the airport. I'm sitting here at Taiwan International Airport waiting for my 12 hour flight to Seattle, reflecting on my week. I love Taiwan and its people. The city is on the move. People are hustling and working hard. Yet, they are extraordinarily friendly and caring. Last night we went to Tower 101, which is one of the tallest buildings in the world. Until very recently, it also had the fastest elevator in the world. We climbed from the 5th floor to the observation deck on the 89th floor in a matter of seconds. The view was spectacular. Taipei 101 is designed to withstand typhoon winds and earthquake tremors. Inside the building there is a 660 metric ton steel pendulum (my pic is on the left) which acts as a mass damper that sways to offset movements in the building caused by strong gusts of wind. It's the largest mass damper in the world and the building is an engineering marvel. Afterwards, we had diner at a great restaurant that specializes in dumplings. We were sitting at diner, looking at all of the energy in the city, the wonderful people, and everything that they've accomplished over the last 50 years. I couldn't help but think that if Chiang Kai Shek didn't lead 2 million people off of the mainland, all of these people and what they've accomplished wouldn't be here because the communists would have murdered their parents and grandparents for rebelling just as the communists murdered so many others. Our thoughts quickly drifted to the problems we face in America. Although the American left haven't turned into mass murders (yet), they are killing the country nevertheless. In Taiwan and the rest of Asia, you are expected to work and take care of yourself. If you can't, you rely on your family. In America (and Europe) the government's welfare system has destroyed the family by replacing it with a faceless, uncaring bureaucracy. They've also replaced our core values of hard work and responsibility with sloth and dependency. So, you've been on unemployment insurance for 2 years???!!! No problem, Obama and his minions will let you ride out the rest of your miserable life at the taxpayer's expense. At one point last night I told my colleague that we should take every big mouth leftist in the U.S., and dump them off in Taiwan, the Philippines or elsewhere in Asia without a penny in their pocket. If they can manage to survive a year, both they and America would be better off when they come back. I seriously doubt that many of them could survive. It's getting close to boarding time. I am so glad to becoming back to America with another shining example of how the American values of hardwork, thrift, and personal responsibility translate into success in every society. It is so sad that many Americans are losing those very values.
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You do know the forces of dictator Chiang Kai Shek carried out a generations long "White Terror" on the population - which lasted longer and killed more people per capita than the Maoist purges.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Are you really this stupid? You make Taiwan out to be some Conservative Republican bastion but Taiwan has socialized single payer health care system. The result is a system that works a lot like Canada's, or like the U.S. Medicare system, but with more benefits. By consolidating so much — one government plan that covers everybody — Taiwan achieves remarkable efficiency. Everybody here has to have a smart card to go to the doctor. The doctor puts it in a reader and the patient's history and medications all show up on the screen. The bill goes directly to the government insurance office and is paid automatically. So Taiwan has the lowest administrative costs in world: less than 2 percent. "If a patient goes to see a doctor or hospital over 20 times a month, or 50 times in a three-month period, then the IT picks that person out. The person then gets a visit from the government, the Bureau of National Health Insurance, and they have a little chat. And this works very well," Cheng says. That may be too much like Big Brother for some people in the United States, but surveys show the Taiwanese are highly satisfied with their health care. Plus, no one goes bankrupt because of medical bills, Chang says.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/health-care-abroad-taiwan/ November 3, 2009, 11:27 AM Health Care Abroad: Taiwan By ANNE UNDERWOOD William Hsiao is a professor of economics at the Harvard School of Public Health and co-author of the 2004 book “Getting Health Reform Right.” He served as a health care adviser to the Taiwan government in the 1990s, when officials decided to reform that country’s health care system and to introduce universal coverage. He spoke with Anne Underwood, a freelance writer. Q. Taiwan instituted universal insurance in 1995. What was the health care system like before? Only a portion of the people were insured, including civil servants, employees of large firms and farmers. The military had its own system of coverage. But 45 percent of the population did not have insurance, and they faced financial barriers to access to health care. President Lee Teng-hui felt strongly that he wanted to do something concrete and visible for all the citizens. He thought of introducing national health insurance to touch the lives of all the people. There was a sense in Taiwan that health care is needed by everyone and a country has to assure everyone equal access. What was your assignment as head of this task force? A. We had to design a national health insurance plan for Taiwan, based on international experience. Government officials wanted to understand how other advanced countries fund and organize health care and learn from their successes and failures, so I made a study of the systems in six high-income countries — the United States, the U.K., Germany, France, Canada and Japan. Q. And what was your conclusion at the end of this study? A. We adopted a single-payer system along the Canadian lines. I did not invent it. I’m just in the transfer- of-knowledge business.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
How can you visit a country and learn nothing? Taiwan would be called 'socialist' by the Rush Limbough types. http://www.taiwan-agriculture.org/taiwan/rocintro10.html Social welfare policy in Taiwan is based on the Three Principles of the People, aimed at establishing social security, distributing social wealth, and ensuring a peaceful and beneficial society. To meet the public's growing need for social welfare, the Provincial Government is actively expanding social welfare services to provide positive support for socially and economically disadvantaged groups and establish a caring and harmonious society. Our main programs are as follows: Social Insurance The purpose of social insurance is to assist the citizen in the event of maternity, death, and the like. By using the economic power of the majority to compensate for losses and damage to the minority, peace and order can be protected from disturbance by a few individuals. At present, social insurance in Taiwan includes labor insurance, government employees' and their spouses' insurance, servicemen's insurance, health insurance for elected representatives, village chiefs and neighborhood chiefs, health insurance for low-income families, and farmers' health insurance. Social Assistance Social assistance includes regular assistance and disaster relief. Recipients of the former include low- income families, orphans, the elderly, the disabled, and those who are incapable of work. Recipients of the latter are victims of disasters and their families. Government work encompasses the investigation of low-income families, family livelihood supplements, medicare, free treatment for the mentally ill in low-income families, emergency and disaster relief, and raising of disaster-relief funds. The Provincial Government also encourages the private sector to become involved in social assistance and welfare. There were 36,510 low-income families in 1993, a total of 96,599 people. In fiscal year 1995 the standard for a low-income family was one with less than US$189,48 per capita income per month. Children and Juvenile Welfare The government has established day-care centers extensively throughout the province. In 1993 there were 3,372 day-care centers. Twenty-one counties and cities have provided day-care services. A total of 2,370 children have been taken care of. There were 25 care centers which accommodated 1,476 homeless children. In addition, we are actively supervising the improvement of facilities at day-care centers, training professional child-care personnel, establishing child care information service and improving the food at both public and private care centers. The revised Child Welfare Law promulgated on February 5, 1993, includes measures aimed at maintaining children's physical and mental health, encouraging normal development of children, and guaranteeing children's welfare. In order to meet the needs of present-day society, the central government put into effect the Juvenile Welfare Law on January 23, 1989. This law protects teenagers' rights and enforces parents' and guardians' responsibilities. Major policies are to provide juvenile school dropouts with study opportunities, to establish institutions to accommodate juveniles who have suffered from family misfortune, and to supply those incapable of work with livelihood support and medical assistance; to establish young people's welfare and service centers to pool resources for social welfare work among the young and reduce juvenile delinquency; to strengthen protection for children and aboriginal girls; and to promote drug prevention work among the young. The Provincial Government's child and teenager protection program calls for the establishment of both large and small scale rescue networks, with plans for vocational training and employment guidance for school dropouts and unemployed youths over 15 on a case by case basis to ensure long term youth protection, proper guidance, and fostering of normal character development. Welfare for the Elderly The percentage of the elderly in the total population has been on the rise. In order to meet senior citizens' social, physical, economic and psychological needs, the government has been promoting welfare for the elderly. At present, services provided to the elderly include free health check-ups, publicly and privately funded care centers, discounts on public transportation, day-care services, living supplements for low-income elderly, assistance with hospital and nursing expenses for seriously ill elderly members of poor families, welfare services for home improvements, and free lunch. In addition, senior citizens are also encouraged to participate in social work, educational and recreational programs, and skill competitions. For the homeless elderly over 70 years of age, benevolent homes have been established; at the end of 1993, there were 42 benevolent homes accommodating 8,648 people. Welfare for the Handicapped Services to the handicapped include the assessment of the condition of handicapped persons, the establishment of counseling centers and workshops providing skill training, offering of business loans and subsidized rehabilitation, and the improvement of public facilities for the handicapped. To take care of the retarded and the multiple handicapped, the government has assisted county and city governments and private organizations in setting up medical care centers for medium to seriously mentally and physically handicapped persons to ensure that they receive due care in a loving environment. There are presently 70 public and private institutions serving the handicapped . Women's Welfare To consolidate women's welfare policy, the Provincial Government has begun a five-year program to provide women with more services for their welfare. These services include marriage counseling, social activities for unmarried men and women, seminars on parent-child relations, establishment of day-care centers in different sectors, women's talent contests, home professional training, emergency shelter networks, protection for young women, and women's participation in social activities. Owing to the present lack of manpower, the Provincial Government has decided to push for the creation of more part-time work and living room manufacturing for women. Employers and unions are requested to provide labor insurance for these women. The aim is to fully utilize the manpower in society. Community Development The purpose of community development is to encourage members of a community to devote part of their time to community construction for mutual benefit that thereby improves the quality of life. It aims at completing basic community construction, promulgating the concept of environmental protection, beautifying the environment, wiping out poverty and crime, strengthening community spirit through moral and cultural development for a polite society, setting up community welfare services and expanding community welfare work, and encouraging cultural, recreational and sports activities for a fuller spiritual life. Through the end of fiscal year 1994, a total of 4,383 communities including 2,299,737 house holds had undergone community planning and community organization with an aggregate investment of US$1,058 million, improving the living environment of households throughout Taiwan. Social Workers System In view of Taiwan's rapidly changing society and with the aim of preventing and solving social problems and establishing a social atmosphere of harmony and well being, the Provincial Government has appointed social workers to all counties and cities since 1977. Utilizing their expert knowledge of social work, they become closely involved with the local community and take the initiative in providing professional services. The services offered include individual advice, family and marriage counseling, and a range of services to children, young people, the elderly and the handicapped, as well as community services and voluntary services. Aboriginal Welfare In the spirit of constitutional amendments on aboriginal welfare, the Provincial Government has taken steps to safeguard the aboriginal peoples' right to exist and to work, and to strengthen care for aborigines' livelihood. Under our aboriginal social welfare program, government and private resources are being channeled into appropriate livelihood guidance, vocational training, employment guidance and social assistance to provide a comprehensive welfare service.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Taiwan has an entirely different social/economic and cultural backdrop than the USA; they have a population size of nearly 23,000,000 folks (all homogeneous Asian and about 7% of the US total population size) and have only a land mass of about 13,000 sq miles (slightly smaller than Maryland and Delaware combined). You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to methods of government operation, much less touting some bureaucratic scheme to cover-up the vast failure of the US Medicare/Medicaid programs under the planned 0bamacKare.
The merits of the Taiwanese system aside, I was contradicting jwpegler stupid claim that the Taiwanese are self sufficient and don't rely on govt for their private needs. Here is that idiot's exact words: "In Taiwan and the rest of Asia, you are expected to work and take care of yourself. If you can't, you rely on your family. In America (and Europe) the government's welfare system has destroyed the family by replacing it with a faceless, uncaring bureaucracy. " That is a lie. I am kind of shocked someone doing business (allegedly) in Taiwan would make something like this up...... Taiwan has a universal, govt bureaucracy run, single payer (govt) health care system. They (govt) even has bureaucracy checking on you to see why you are visiting the doctors so much to cut down on fraud and waste, The Taiwanese have an extensive social welfare system designed to keep harmony in the country. I had to counter jwpegler's BS and call him out on it. I am not arguing that we should adopt Taiwan's system - that is a discussion for another day. I hope that cleared up my intent on this post.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
The 101 is a fantastick structure! However, they have a lot of problems compared to the USA. They treat imports with heavy taxes; as an example, if someone wants to buy a car from the US ($20,000) that same vehicle will have a tax levied at over 100% of the sticker value. Also, it is nearly impossible to finance those imports. Totally different economic structure than the USA. That is why you see the Taiwanese so industrious about diversified holdings; and industries. Many, if not all of the electronic components (say: used in your PC and other equipment) are manufactured there. If the Taiwanese are not working or in school they are with family and friends. One area that I despise is the Chinese New Year. It can last for a month about January-February; everything closes and forget about contacting anyone about business; they are off on holiday.
First of all, your preface negates that you are discussing a successful businessman that probably spent $20,000 just going to Taiwan of his own cash to negotiate new contracts in America that potentially create MORE jobs within his industry here in the USA. If I were you, I would modify your preface statement and congratulate jwpegler for his hard work to land a contract while making a few bucks. I see no issue with his statement and more than that, it is a passing comment; it is mere reflection of his own view between nations; it is not a thesis submitted for careful analysis and scrutiny. The Taiwanese are very industrious and really don't enjoy government interference; you don't see the Taiwanese begging to belong to China do you?
The old Republican line of "his remark was not intended to be a factual statement"......
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
jwpegler is not stumping to run for some political office or attempting to buy a vote. The man deserves praise for his hard work negotiating business contracts, of which he hasn't discussed and he shouldn't. All jwpegler is doing is sharing his recent trip to Taiwan and exchanging a few views about his experiences while talking with colleagues. Ask him questions. I am sure he will respond with candid answers whether you agree or not. As an example, I don't like Taiwanese fried fish of any kind. It almost makes me barf.
He is spreading BS that affects the lives of Americans - some one reading this comes away saying, hey - why can't America be like the Taiwanese who don't have govt regulated social welfare to hold them back??? When in fact the Taiwanese have govt run social benefits up the ying/yang. Facts are facts and no running for office does not negate one from stating them.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
ROTFL ... Hey, pal: I don't know about what you know or understand about this chit-chat channel but jwpegler's reflections on a recent experience to Taiwan will hardly affect anyone's political views. He pointed out a casual dinner meeting is all with attempts to summarize relational perspectives about the two nations. Here is the statement that you don't enjoy: To me, he is dead-on target. If you analyze his statement, it does not take into account the two-party system in America but both political parties are on the left destroying America. Just look around America; we are no longer the vibrant economy we once were; our inner cities are trashed over; our educational system has been trashed; the leaders of our nation are nothing more than used car salesman; taxes CONTINUE TO CLIMB while the nation is focused on wars around the world.
You call everything that the gov does socialist. You're the biggest spreader of BS on LF! You've got a lot of dang gall, accusing anyone else of spreading BS. When we pay taxes to gov to build a bridge, that's not socialist. When gov takes our tax money and gives it to socialists to do nothing, that's socialist! It affects the lives of Americans in a negative way. . When "progressives" push political correct communist doctrine in the schools... braindead diversity, tolerance, and multiculturalism they're destroying America. Some stuff is intolerable, and we should oppose it. Ethnic groups naturally segregate which is why you have chinatown, little italy, etc. sections in most cities. Gov tries to force integration and creates strife. It's hObama's progressive "change", for the worse.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Excellent point. It's the same in E.Europe, as well.
The two sides in America are people who work for a living versus people who vote for their living.
When we pay taxes to gov to build a bridge, that's not socialist. LOL! I am just using the term socialist in the Rush Limbough/FOX news/Right wing Radio/ sort of way - they call everything the govt does - socialist - except the military - which is ironic since that is the most socialist of all govt institutions. The fact that you are the only one who has objected to this example being called 'socialist' proves that because in the minds of the others on here - it is socialism.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
TAXES were cut you, nimrod. Spending may have risen but in the rest of the world it is spent on the people and in the USA more on defense. So we have awesome armies and fucked up health care, bridges and train service. I will say something about free trade policies that allow capitalist pigs to exploit labor overseas at the expense of the American worker - but that is a whole can of worms in and of itself. And his statement is not dead on target. Taiwan sees itself as a unit - socialist in outlook in that the weakest link in the chain holds everyone back so they pool resources to help via govt the poor so all can rise up and pull along on a common front. Don't pretend you conservatives want to help the poor by pooling resources and creating govt programs.....like Taiwan does.... Taiwan is following the exact same policies any European export nation does like France and Germany - and they are the examples the GOP talking heads label "socialist".
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
There we have as I said jwpegler fooling some idiot with his false statement. Taiwan and now "Eastern Europe" are some kind of non socialist - no govt welfare type of conservative paradise - when in earlity Eastern Europe right now is a shambles - and Taiwan is what any Republican would call socialist if their policies were transplanted to the USA. I know this for a fact because Taiwan copied Canada's health care system 100% and the Canadian healthcare system was called socialist by every GOP talking head I can think of.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Where did you go? Answer Godwinson's points. Also, .... Oh, bullshit.
------------------------------------- Also, ... Jwpegler is such an astute debater that he probably has Godwinson on Bozo like he has almost every poster here who has called him on his BS. Pegler considers himself an esteemed teacher of economics and political theory, and beyond reproach. I can't believe Bucky's ever actually read his posts.
Oh, bullshit. Most of the teenagers who have taken part in them are black and from poor neighborhoods. Most of the areas hit have been predominantly white business districts. In the flash mob on Saturday, groups of teenagers were chanting “black boys” and “burn the city,” bystanders said. The latest outbreak of midtown mayhem - which the mayor Monday declared an episode of "wilding" - resurrected memories of the "bad old days of the 1970s." Fifty-six youths were arrested or given summonses after hundreds of thugs rampaged through Times Square and Herald Square on Easter Sunday night. Four people - a man and a woman in Times Square and two women outside Macy's - were shot in what cops say is becoming an annual tradition. "It came out of nowhere. I just saw people running and I got hit," said Keanu Griffin, 18, a senior at Aspiration High in Brooklyn, who was shot in the thigh. She said she and five friends were heading to the subway after eating at T.G.I. Friday's when they were engulfed by the melee. Check your Tweeter, there might be a cool flash mob you can participate in!
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
They were? Exactly how when two different methods of clandestine taxation has been endorsed by American politicians: 1) rampant inflation controlled by the FED and 2) unimaginable borrowing. Both methods are not apparent to average American as they enjoy their "tax-free" paychecks. That is an issue America has failed upon. They have chased industry away with over regulation while minimizing any requirements for foreign imports. America got shafted by both political parties. From my perspective it is DEAD-ON TARGET. The statement is a rough comparison of nations is all. I am not a "conservative." I have never claimed to be and the term is thrown around too loosely. I am for smaller government, though. To some point, I agree. But jwpegler's casual remarcks did not take this view at all.
The current health care system in Taiwan, known as National Health Insurance (NHI), was instituted in 1995. NHI is a single-payer compulsory social insurance plan which centralizes the disbursement of health-care funds. The system promises equal access to health care for all citizens, and the population coverage had reached 99% by the end of 2004.[4] NHI is mainly financed through premiums, which are based on the payroll tax, and is supplemented with out-of-pocket payments and direct government funding. In the initial stage, fee-for-service predominated for both public and private providers. Most health providers operate in the private sector and form a competitive market on the health delivery side. However, many health care providers took advantage of the system by offering unnecessary services to a larger number of patients and then billing the government. In the face of increasing loss and the need for cost containment , NHI changed the payment system from fee-for-service to a global budget, a kind of prospective payment system, in 2002. So, it looks like Taiwan had to change it's system to protect it from thieving private industry. Sounds familiar.
They get more time off of work than Americans do too.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The same can be said of Scandinavians, but we always talk about them as socialist.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Oh, isn't that peechy-keen! Whats that got to do with any of this discussion? If anything America NEEDS to get back to work as Taiwan demonstrates based on jwpegler's article.
Does that mean you don't think Americans should be free to purchase property and live where ever they want and can afford?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
That's YOUR job! wtf, huh? Always nice to see your ilk's button pushed.
It begins to look as if Americans work more and get less than the citizens of any other first world country. What is it again that makes us great?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The American worker - if he has a job - is exploited work meat by the owner class. The American worker is at work - works hard - for less pay and benefits like days off than in the pre - Reagan era. Since Reagan the American worker has worked harder but saw little increase in pay or benefits with a small blip in the Clinton era which did see a rise in pay and benefits for a short time. What we need is retirement to start earlier - this will free up jobs to new employees. We need 3 days off so that the American can have more family time and reduce divorces, etc and we need manufacturing jobs that can hire people right out of high school - colleges have become money pits for many Americans who now have to go beyond their educational and monetary needs because service jobs need more education for the worker - while still paying less than manufacturing jobs used to. If we put a 100% tariff on imported clothing we could reduce unemployment in America by 50% or more - the garment industry used to be a huge employer of workers - skilled and non skilled - for example.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Ummm - there was strife before integration, it just wasn't your strife.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The American worker is at work - works hard - for less pay and benefits like days off than in the pre - Reagan era. Just as slaves were less than fully human by law at our country's founding, today's wage slaves are less than human.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through: 1) taxation, 2) controlled inflation and 3) excessive borrowing. These scandalous methods are not used ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. You should get off your ass from your computer and get outside and SCREAM: 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' (borrowed from NETWORK, circa 1976) ... of course, you won't; it is too easy to sit there and chit-chat. It was WW2. After WW2, it has been downhill all the way particularly because of America playing world cop.
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through.... That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through.......allowing businesses to break up unions, export manufacturing overseas and depress wages and benefits.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You can't be serious.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Can you cite any example of ANY nation around the world that does not perform similarly? Yeah, so what? the American government (on all levels) has slowly extracted the tax base from the private sector in such a way that about 20% - 33% of ALL government structures are paying for retirement benefits. In the private sector , no such issue has occurred. But the real perspective is how the politicians have connived, lied, cheated, swindled America into paying retirement benefits for fat, lazy bureaucrats to begin with. They are ALL charlatans. I don't agree. If anything, America needs to work harder, better, faster and cheaper in order to compete with the rest of the world. Blame your Congress whom have systemically driven off manufacturing with excessive regulation while permitting off-shore imports on the cheap.
You're so communal!
Taiwain has a national single-payer health insurance system, and a national pension system, so I'm guessing you told your associates how much better they would be working/living in the U.S.? I assume you also discussed Taiwan's massive stimulus implemented in 2009?
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As less than human, workers don't contribute and thus are not deserving. Employees are not producers, they are parasites.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Sur le conttrary mon ami je suis cadavérique sérieux. (Quite the contrary, I am deathly serious) No other nation has ever undertaken the task of WORLDCOP as the USA has performed EVER! The costs have been enormous, too. There isn't one significant advantage to this excessive empire building for America, either.
In California, state employee retirement contributions were invested in the market.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
There was the British Empire, but that isn't what I responded to, this was That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through: 1) taxation, 2) controlled inflation and 3) excessive borrowing. These scandalous methods are not used ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The dnc is running on liquor stores - food stamps - voting ! This isn't even apples - oranges !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
Unions still exist and shall slowly have an epitaph: Rest In Peace. Unions created a remarkable improvement within industry at one time in America before government OVER-REGULATION took the lead; now they are just a vestige that most businesses/government want to eliminate altogether. They are unnecessary to modern business practices.
Yeah, so what? So what? You must agree to this statement and not care - even though this proves America's philosophy regarding the economy is a failure..... Since we agree on the facts the the bone of contention is if that is desirable an outcome or not. Let the people decide. At least you are not pushing the Republican line that these last 30 years were a golden age for American workers before Obama came along (bit rather 30 years of decline thanks to Reaganomics - which you are OK with).
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Then they have to ride the equity/bond/commodity market ROLLER COASTER RIDE like I do. The only methods that balance my portfolio are gold/silver ETFs. Nothing is guaranteed. Live with it.
Businesses created a remarkable improvement within industry at one time in America before government DE-REGULATION took the lead and allowed for exportation of jobs and the creation of shoddy Walmart priced goods as the norm.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I only know that we work hard, be responsible and learn to improve our own lives and those around us. It doesn't mean we get a faire share of any dividend whether guaranteed or not. What I am telling you is one of the golden rules, auxiliary codes. It means we don't sit on our butts waiting for something that never shall occur. YOU make things happen, not others whether the "others" are family, church, friends, some charity organization or a government. I refuse to let people decide on my future, so your comment: Let the people decide is almost perverse to me. It rings of mischievous atrocities which created the reasons for the trouble America is in; this is not in my playbook.
You have Stockholm syndrome..... With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I'm surprised to find out Bucky can read.
------------------------------------- Blame the two party system in America. I haven't voted for any charlatan in either of the two large political parties for about 30 years. Assuming Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, I shall vote for him in the general election; my mind is already made up, too. So, he shall be the first in decades of voting that garnish my vote from either of these two headed. If RP doesn't win the GOP nomination, I shall vote for a Libertarian candidate which is typical for myself.
Pegleleg posted this thread but seems mysteriously absent from it's discussion. Hmmmmm, I wonder why? My bet... he has everyone but you on Bozo. Since he has me on Bozo I will not ping him. He's another one like you who can't define or even cite an example of a 'free market'.
Destro's call to action: **Standing in our way are most Republicans and some Democrats (that seems to be the ratio) who still carry water for the oligarchs that stole our fortunes away. How long will this go on before we correct their error?**
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
You just manifested an issue that I can not understand. You are devolving the thread towards archaic name-calling while not giving the poster any benefit of the doubt. jwpegler has said he got back from his week long Taiwan trip. Do you know what a trip like that costs in terms of planning, organizing, dollar costs, the strain of meetings and negotiations to win a contract? And contrary to some viewpoints, the heads of some of these companies don't speak English; there is a significant amount of discussion in Taiwanese lingo which keeps an American in the dark. It is a 12-14 hour trip from Taiwan and even IF he was in 1st class, he would be exhausted coming back to his home; and while he was gone for a week, he also had to deal with his company/personal matters WHILE away. It isn't a luxury vacation at all. It is draining and stressful event with no guarantee of an outcome. Shame on you, mininggold; you don't understand business at all especially for an awesome entrepreneur such as jwpegler right here on our own forum. Why don't you ask him questions that are meaningful as opposed to being accusatory in nature and structure? You could learn something from him. How do you know what I define? Have you ever asked before?
jwpegler was called out on his Bull Shit (trying to BS us into thinking Taiwan as a limited govt paradise in contrast to regulation/welfare state America).
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Sounds like jwPegler is just another one of your 'monikers'.
Because I can not and will not view your hotlink, I have no idea what you are talking about. Just post an ASCII HTML link. I can not see graphics either. It is the way it is and shall never change for myself until I decide to remove the filters blocking the same.
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=23324
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
I doubt if anyone can use terms of my own meaningful speech capabilities/capacity other than myself. Still, you missed my parting quip based upon your quote and I shall recite it again for you: How do you know what I define? Have you ever asked before? I am fairely steadfast in my opinions until proven otherwise. But, you can't answer a simple question.
Yes I have asked you for an example. Excuse me if I'm not johnny on the spot for one of those of those prompt replies. Try to keep this straight, I'm not one of your flunkies, and I'm doing this in between doing one of those long forgotten, old fashioned conservative behaviors ..canning my own preserves.
Moonshine! Watch out for the revenuers. Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
WHOA Nellie! Here is your earlier claim: I asked later questions about your knowledge of my own considerations because you don't know them. Why? Because I infrequently share them and you never asked. Yet, you assumed that you know my perspectives. Now you say you asked for an "example." Where is your own request ANYWHERE or at ANYTIME? Nope. Answer my questions in post#54; surly you can do this while canning your preserves. Don't play the game of dodge ball with me unless you want to win.
Buckeroo: That is only a matter of relative degree. By the way, not all banks are federally chartered and did not have to comply with federal CRA rules. Then again, those same banks are often considered "shady" or "risky" to investors. They have their place though in an otherwise free market. But we are discussing CRA requirements that are ludicrous and were the reason for the issues we see today for added federal stimulus or less into the economy. In fact, that is the "tug-of-war" on this thread. More stimulus or less stimulus? Both John Keynes and Arthur Laffer are idiots and they are somewhat at opposites poles of thought. buckeroo posted on 2011-06-04 12:51:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Here's an example of a statement I made and your waffling around it.
I'm curious. Why aren't you upset with Jwpeglers obvious refusal to discuss the issues HE presents on his own thread. Mr 'There's no such thing as Mail Order Brides" Pegler should be able to be all over this thread, instead of evidently needing you to speak for him. Is he always this dependent on others to do his work for him?
Thank you. Now, we have a basis for your perspective. I suppose I did not fully elucidate how the federal government "CRA" program has literally destroyed America. What happened was the federal government maintained a method or continuing trend upon local banks to increase an arbitrary number of otherwise ineligible loan applicants for business and home loan for LOAN APPROVAL PURPOSES. This same CRA program interfered with local bank FED reserve requirements which in turn created new markets to buy or purchase those same loans. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN AMERICA! The federal government boosted from 1973 a proportion of loans from 2% to almost 50% of approved loans. That is how America went bankrupt. It was the federal government creating the false promise of home/business ownership.
I already explained the probable reason(s) in post#54. Feel free to read it again.
I just knew you could put that water from your pristine spring to good use.
So, markets would be free if only everything and everyone in the world would not participate. Okay I get it now. BTW what names did I call you or the Mail order bride denier.
What happened was the federal government maintained a method or continuing trend upon local banks to increase an arbitrary number of otherwise ineligible loan applicants for business and home loan for LOAN APPROVAL PURPOSES The CRA loan program was created at the behest of the banking industry, so just put the blame where it belongs, on the greedy unethical behaviors of all the financial participants.
this is complete bunk, the CRA didn't cause the financial crisis, what caused the financial crisis was an unfettered CDS market and banks that realized profit potential in selling mortgages for bundling into CDSs. You also had a weak SEC in the 2000's that allowed brokerage firms to borrow up to 30x their capital. 80% of subprime mortgages were made by mortgage brokers that weren't subject to federal oversight.
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80% of subprime mortgages were made by mortgage brokers that weren't subject to federal oversight War has already hashed these facts out with Bucky, but Bucky seems stuck to his false premise like glue.
Bucky: Sur le conttrary mon ami je suis cadavérique sérieux. (Quite the contrary, I am deathly serious) No other nation has ever undertaken the task of WORLDCOP as the USA has performed EVER! The costs have been enormous, too. There isn't one significant advantage to this excessive empire building for America, either. Your points are all correct, and well thought-out. But... You might as well be speaking Greek to her. She's utterly impervious to reality. When she gets spanked too bad, she flips over to mininggold, so she can have "conversations" with herself. Sad, really.
The two sides in America are people who work for a living versus people who vote for their living.
It's funny to see how you Asperger's explain the world around you, most of which you obviously can't comprehend. Does it please you to find out that your bestest buddy here on this forum is probably another Bucky figment?
They do the same thing in Singapore -- a 100% tariff on cars. They do it because they are a small island nation with a mountainous terrain. Taipei hugs the coast between the mountain and the ocean. Almost everyone in Taipei rides a scooter. Scooters are parked everywhere. The city would grid to a halt if they were all in cars.
12 hour plane ride. 1 hour to get through U.S. customs. 1 hour drive home. Diner with my family. 10 hours of sleep. Shower. Took the cloths to the dry cleaners. Stopped at the store to get some beer. That's where I went. Is there anything else you'd like to know about my schedule? Answer Godwinson's points Godwinson is on my bozo list. I see don't see his posts. He's not smart enough to engage in a constructive dialog. There is no point in responding to him.
Premier Economy on Eva Airlines. No one but government politicians, senior government bureaucrats, Wall Street crooks (who are in cahoots with the politicians), and Hollywood moguls can afford 1st Class any more.
Just keep in mind that a lot of us wish you well on your potential contract with Taiwan. Thanks for sharing your thoughts contained in the article.
Yep. Vietnam, Lebanon, Kosovo, Mogadishu, Afghanistan, Iraq, and pretty soon Libya and Syria too... The amount of money spent, the lives lost, the lives ruined... for what? Nothing. Fortunately, people are starting to get it. Thank Ron Paul and quite frankly over the last 20 years Pat Buchanan for that. But we still have a long way to go.
Thank you.
You foul lying libTURD whore. NOBODY beat your Chairman Mao's genocide on their own people during the 20th century whore. NOBODY. You LIE without pause, and obviously, you are a deeply stoopid person. In fact you are "invincible" in your gibbering libTURD ignorance, you pitiful libTURD creep. You libTURD SCUM are incapable of truth. libTURD scum. SCUM
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
TV game shows always used to announce that a contestant winning a vacation would be flying "first class" to whatever destination they had won a vacation to. For a number of years now, I have noticed that has been switched to coach. I guess game shows can't afford first class accommodations anymore, even while giving away thousands and thousands of dollars otherwise.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
And the CRA was the very impetus for all of that. It's like striking a match that burns down a forest and claiming the match striking had nothing to do with it; it was the fire.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
I don't like anything over 4 hours anymore. If I can drive there in 10, I'll do that rather than fly. :)
------------------------------------- Hippies paved the way.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Wrong. Yesterday's hippies are today's establishment. They (and you) are the problem.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Hippies are todays older generation, not necessarily the establishment. George Bush types are more of the establishment ilk; I doubt he was ever a hippie.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Hippies and hippie culture in academia produced today's computer world. So called conservatives are narrow minded do nothings and know nothings. With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Agreed. We should have busted more heads in '68 Chicago.
We? You mean Democrats? You are a Democrat? Also, hippies were not involved in politics much - they advocated dropping out of the system. In any case, the right wing is for losers - they still don't get science and believe in primitive superstitions.
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
ROFLMAO!!! __________________________________________________________________________________________ Note the diversity.
Bullshit, you moron. Nerds aren't the same as hippies. Hippies didn't produce jackshit - and they still aren't. They just take.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Hippies didn't produce jackshit - and they still aren't. They just take. Repeatable.
The computer and the internet - both created, nurtured and funded by big govt socialism, left wing academia and hippies. Conservatives spent the 60s freaking out that women would get access to birth control pills and condoms. Conservatives = history's losers. Forget antiwar protests, Woodstock, even long hair. The real legacy of the sixties generation is the computer revolution
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
They certainly were anti war and willing to put their asses on the line to end the Vietnam War and the draft as well. In contrast, today's conservative end-the-war types are play the victim, whining and complaining about what government is doing to them. Hippies didn't wait for permission, they acted.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
You call them hippies? Everyone that age dressed like that then.
Diversity is the reason Silicon Valley is in California.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I remember very vividly the day after Nixon invaded Cambodia.
and what exactly would that line be? the welfare line, cafeteria line, free clinic line? nothing courageous about draft dodging cowards living off daddy's money.
You'd be surprised!
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong again. Stanford University is.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ You'd be surprised! It took more than smoking dope to be a hippie. Yes, Gates, Jobs and Wozniak (sp?) probably smoked dope. But they were nerds (not hippies) nonetheless.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Most rich daddies of which there were far fewer then disapproved of and disowned their hippie offspring.
They were willing to be beaten by police, arrested and jailed. nothing courageous about draft dodging cowards living off daddy's money. On the other hand, for some the cowardly act was submitting to the government order to report for military service rather than risk prison and scorn.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Stanford University is. Academia .. we already knew that.
And it was the university's policy to attract only conservative white men of European decent?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Yes, Gates, Jobs and Wozniak (sp?) probably smoked dope. But they were nerds (not hippies) nonetheless. Maybe your definition of hippie is too narrow.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
No. Race is something only you statists and the Klan are obsessed with. I presume a university of Stanford's reputation would (or should) concern itself with attracting the best and the brightest. Period.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ LOL I remember when we played them. Even their band had hippie types.
Yeah, and that leads to diversity.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I presume a university of Stanford's reputation would (or should) concern itself with attracting the best and the brightest. Period. You sound either too young or too foreign with your weasel words to actually have lived here during that era.
also hip·py (h-p') pronunciation n., pl., -pies. A person who opposes and rejects many of the conventional standards and customs of society, especially one who advocates extreme liberalism in sociopolitical attitudes and lifestyles. Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/hippie#ixzz1Vm0OMrVL Let me know when Gates starts giving his software away, and Jobs gives out free MACS, okay?
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Which is it today? PUI or PWD?
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Now you have to resort to a dictionary for your 'official' definition. You are just too funny, but it does explain alot.
Remember David Harris? He was Stanford Student Body President and later went to prison for his anti-draft activities.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
PUI or PWD? I don't know what you are talking about.. Silly wittle GOD is now angry when caught making up shit. It's apparent you obviously you have NO frame of reference.
So are you, honey . . . __________________________________________________________________________________________ Yep and he looked like a nerd too, at least in the beginning.
Evidently you have now conceded that you are too ignorant of the topic to continue the discussion.
Gates is famous not only for software, but also for giving his money away.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
What discussion was that? That Stanford University is in California? I think we all agreed on that. That hippies were dropouts? No argument there. Diversity? Whatever. It seems to make you morons happy. What did I miss?
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Ain't that the truth. He and his mother gave millions to that 'socialist enterprise' called the University of Washington among many many others.
That hippies were dropouts? No argument there. Diversity? Whatever. It seems to make you morons happy. What did I miss? The point.... as usual.
That's nice. But not to toot my own horn, but I suspect I give more (percentage wise) to charity than he does.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Educate me then, madame. Please.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Both Steves, Apple creators, were dropouts as was Bill Gates.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Good for you. How is that relevant to the conversation?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
You tell me. You're the one who brought up Gates' giving to charity and being famous for it.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ It's the only area in which he can beat Bill Gates.
You're the one who brought up Gates' giving to charity and being famous for it. So some boogeyman forced you to reply?
Wow - looks like we can add clairvoyant to your resume. Impressive!
__________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm still waiting for you to educate me as to what the hell the point of this conversation is. Since you said I "missed" it.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Since you said I "missed" it. Lucy brought it up, I'm saving on bandwidth by not repeating it.
Impressive! You moderators say the stupidest things.
ROFLMAO! I didn't think you could.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Note to self: Add "moderator" to MG's resume.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Well no, you're the one who brought up Gates and giving stuff away. Let me know when Gates starts giving his software away, and Jobs gives out free MACS, okay? Then, after I responded to your challenge, you inserted yourself into a discussion that wasn't about you.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
and we only have his word for that.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
and we only have his word for that. Just as I have your ladies' word that you're two actual people. And not a random character generator. Such is the world of the internet.
__________________________________________________________________________________________ Fortunately my existence as a flesh and blood person doesn't depend on what you believe.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Tea Baggers evidently are so easy to fool, that one doesn't even have to try.
How long did it take before they stopped wearing tea bags dangling from their glasses?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
He made it about himself like Buckeroo did yesterday, as every conversation eventually was manipulated by Bucky to be about Bucky.
I finally had to put him on bozo. His pointless rants have gotten real old, real fast.
What are you talking about? Prove your contention or BACKOFF.
Every post you make proves my contention, monikerboy
I hate to sound cliched but doesn't it seem a little strange that a large percentage of the 'conservative' posters here exhibit those same Asperger's like rantings in their posts. And if you just happen to disagree on a few points you are marked as an enemy for life
It's very hard to drive across the Pacific Ocean. Worst flight ever - Seattle to Mumbai India. 24 hours in the air plus at least 7 hours of lay overs -- 2 in Dulles and 5 in Frankfort. I used to do this 4 times a year.
No, silly. I'm with the winning side. As to your other point, is that Bill Gates or Steve Jobs pictured above, hippy?
I'd go insane(r). How was India? I've heard it's a shithole.
------------------------------------- Once again you prove you so called conservatives are know-nothings: http://gawker.com/5060028/steve-jobs--total-hippie?tag=valleywag Steve Jobs? Total hippie Wozniak on Jobs: "Steve was into everything hippy, he ran around shouting 'free love man' and eating seeds."
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
To me India i the third world. Big huge, gated luxury hotels surrounded by tin hovels. The peasants get up in the morning, take a shit in the weeds, and then splash their ass in the community well. It's surreal.
Ya, that's what I've heard. Someone crapping in the river and someone just downstream getting a bucket of drinking water.
------------------------------------- Eating seeds and saying "peace" does not a hippy make. btw, your idol wasn't a hippy, either.
Eating seeds and saying "peace" does not a hippy make. Whose opinion on the matter should I listen to on this subject? Steve Wozniak or you? You know the answer. Steve Wozniak on Jobs: "Steve was into everything hippy, he ran around shouting 'free love man' and eating seeds."
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
Phhfftt. btw, it's not surprising you have to lie to find a successful hippy comrade. "Eating seeds".
Which is closer to the truth? Steve Wozniak's description of Jobs or a the opinion of some nobody named socalv8 who lost his argument and is trying to save face?
With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.
The side you're shilling against, as always.
It was well known that Steve Jobs went through a hippie phase as did a few million others in that era. I don't know why it should make a difference to you. It's not like it was illegal or even unusual.
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Well known enough to be reported in Wikipedia: In the autumn of 1974, Jobs returned to California and began attending meetings of the Homebrew Computer Club with Wozniak. He took a job as a technician at Atari, a manufacturer of popular video games, with the primary intent of saving money for a spiritual retreat to India. Jobs then traveled to India with a Reed College friend (and, later, the first Apple employee), Daniel Kottke, in search of spiritual enlightenment. He came back a Buddhist with his head shaved and wearing traditional Indian clothing.[36][37] During this time, Jobs experimented with psychedelics, calling his LSD experiences "one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life".[38] He has stated that people around him who did not share his countercultural roots could not fully relate to his thinking.[38]
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
They only see hippies as one dimensional pot smokers. When in fact some were the richest entreprenuers of their own times when you count the money they made from concerts and selling records.
Steve Jobs was a Grateful Dead fan and friend of Jerry Garcia. In fact many Silicon Valley corporate managers, directors and CEOs are deadheads.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
We were sitting at diner, looking at all of the energy in the city, the wonderful people, and everything that they've accomplished over the last 50 years. I couldn't help but think that if Chiang Kai Shek didn't lead 2 million people off of the mainland, all of these people and what they've accomplished wouldn't be here because the communists would have murdered their parents and grandparents for rebelling just as the communists murdered so many others.
This small group of terrorists [Tea Party members] have made it impossible to spend any money. -- Mike Doyle (D-PA)
#2. To: jwpegler, Capitalist Eric, CZ82, go65, A K A Stone, hondo68, buckeroo, Murron, sneakypete, Get Outta Dodge! (#1)
(Edited)
e were sitting at diner, looking at all of the energy in the city, the wonderful people, and everything that they've accomplished over the last 50 years. I couldn't help but think that if Chiang Kai Shek didn't lead 2 million people off of the mainland, all of these people and what they've accomplished wouldn't be here because the communists would have murdered their parents and grandparents for rebelling just as the communists murdered so many others.
#3. To: jwpegler, go65, lucysmom (#0)
In Taiwan and the rest of Asia, you are expected to work and take care of yourself. If you can't, you rely on your family.
#4. To: All (#3)
#5. To: jwpegler, Capitalist Eric, CZ82, go65, A K A Stone, hondo68, buckeroo, Murron, sneakypete, Get Outta Dodge! (#1)
#6. To: Godwinson (#3)
By consolidating so much — one government plan that covers everybody — Taiwan achieves remarkable efficiency.
#7. To: buckeroo, jwpegler (#6)
(Edited)
#8. To: jwpegler (#1)
(Edited)
#9. To: Godwinson, jwpegler (#7)
Here is that idiot's exact words:
"In Taiwan and the rest of Asia, you are expected to work and take care of yourself. If you can't, you rely on your family. In America (and Europe) the government's welfare system has destroyed the family by replacing it with a faceless, uncaring bureaucracy. "
#10. To: buckeroo (#9)
it is not a thesis submitted for careful analysis and scrutiny.
#11. To: Godwinson, jwpegler (#10)
#12. To: buckeroo, jwpegler (#11)
wpegler is not stumping to run for some political office or attempting to buy a vote.
#13. To: Godwinson (#12)
He [jwpegler] is spreading BS that affects the lives of Americans - some one reading this comes away saying, hey - why can't America be like the Taiwanese who don't have govt regulated social welfare to hold them back???
Our thoughts quickly drifted to the problems we face in America. Although the American left haven't turned into mass murders (yet), they are killing the country nevertheless.
#14. To: Godwinson, buckeroo, jwpegler, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#12)
He is spreading BS that affects the lives of Americans
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#15. To: jwpegler (#0)
In Taiwan and the rest of Asia, you are expected to work and take care of yourself. If you can't, you rely on your family. In America (and Europe) the government's welfare system has destroyed the family by replacing it with a faceless, uncaring bureaucracy. They've also replaced our core values of hard work and responsibility with sloth and dependency. So, you've been on unemployment insurance for 2 years???!!! No problem, Obama and his minions will let you ride out the rest of your miserable life at the taxpayer's expense.
#16. To: hondo68 (#14)
You call everything that the gov does socialist. You're the biggest spreader of BS on LF! You've got a lot of dang gall, accusing anyone else of spreading BS.
#17. To: buckeroo (#13)
Just look around America; we are no longer the vibrant economy we once were; our inner cities are trashed over; our educational system has been trashed; the leaders of our nation are nothing more than used car salesman; taxes CONTINUE TO CLIMB while the nation is focused on wars around the world.
#18. To: Capitalist Eric, buckeroo, jwpegler (#15)
#19. To: jwpegler (#0)
Although the American left haven't turned into mass murders (yet)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#20. To: Biff Tannen (#19)
Where did you go? Answer Godwinson's points.
#21. To: Biff Tannen (#19)
(Edited)
American left haven't turned into mass murders (yet)
The flash mobs have raised questions about race and class.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#22. To: Godwinson (#17)
TAXES were cut you, nimrod. Spending may have risen but in the rest of the world it is spent on the people and in the USA more on defense. So we have awesome armies and fucked up health care, bridges and train service.
I will say something about free trade policies that allow capitalist pigs to exploit labor overseas at the expense of the American worker - but that is a whole can of worms in and of itself. America got shafted by both political parties.
And his statement is not dead on target. Taiwan sees itself as a unit - socialist in outlook in that the weakest link in the chain holds everyone back so they pool resources to help via govt the poor so all can rise up and pull along on a common front.
Don't pretend you conservatives want to help the poor by pooling resources and creating govt programs.....like Taiwan does....
Taiwan is following the exact same policies any European export nation does like France and Germany - and they are the examples the GOP talking heads label "socialist".
#23. To: mininggold (#20)
#24. To: buckeroo, jwpegler (#8)
If the Taiwanese are not working or in school they are with family and friends. One area that I despise is the Chinese New Year. It can last for a month about January-February; everything closes and forget about contacting anyone about business; they are off on holiday.
#25. To: buckeroo (#9)
The Taiwanese are very industrious and really don't enjoy government interference; you don't see the Taiwanese begging to belong to China do you?
#26. To: lucysmom, jwpegler (#24)
They get more time off of work than Americans do too.
#27. To: hondo68 (#14)
Ethnic groups naturally segregate which is why you have chinatown, little italy, etc. sections in most cities.
#28. To: Godwinson (#12)
He is spreading BS that affects the lives of Americans
Which (R) candidate do you hate the most? That may finalize my decision.
#29. To: buckeroo (#26)
Oh, isn't that peechy-keen! Whats that got to do with any of this discussion? If anything America NEEDS to get back to work as Taiwan demonstrates based on jwpegler's article.
#30. To: buckeroo, lucysmom, jwpegler (#26)
If anything America NEEDS to get back to work
#31. To: hondo68 (#14)
Gov tries to force integration and creates strife. It's hObama's progressive "change", for the worse.
#32. To: Godwinson (#30)
The American worker - if he has a job - is exploited work meat by the owner class.
#33. To: lucysmom (#29)
It begins to look as if Americans work more and get less than the citizens of any other first world country.
What is it again that makes us great?
#34. To: buckeroo, lucysmom, jwpegler (#33)
It begins to look as if Americans work more and get less than the citizens of any other first world country.
#35. To: buckeroo (#33)
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through: 1) taxation, 2) controlled inflation and 3) excessive borrowing. These scandalous methods are not used ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
#36. To: Godwinson (#30)
The American worker - if he has a job - is exploited work meat by the owner class.
The American worker is at work - works hard - for less pay and benefits like days off than in the pre - Reagan era. Since Reagan the American worker has worked harder but saw little increase in pay or benefits with a small blip in the Clinton era which did see a rise in pay and benefits for a short time.
What we need is retirement to start earlier - this will free up jobs to new employees. We need 3 days off so that the American can have more family time and reduce divorces, etc and we need manufacturing jobs that can hire people right out of high school - colleges have become money pits for many Americans who now have to go beyond their educational and monetary needs because service jobs need more education for the worker - while still paying less than manufacturing jobs used to.
If we put a 100% tariff on imported clothing we could reduce unemployment in America by 50% or more - the garment industry used to be a huge employer of workers - skilled and non skilled - for example.
#37. To: Godwinson (#34)
allowing businesses to break up unions
Workers and voters are rejecting Unions...and businesses benefit.
#38. To: jwpegler (#0)
(Edited)
In Taiwan and the rest of Asia, you are expected to work and take care of yourself. If you can't, you rely on your family. In America (and Europe) the government's welfare system has destroyed the family by replacing it with a faceless, uncaring bureaucracy. They've also replaced our core values of hard work and responsibility with sloth and dependency. So, you've been on unemployment insurance for 2 years???!!! No problem, Obama and his minions will let you ride out the rest of your miserable life at the taxpayer's expense.
#39. To: Godwinson (#34)
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through.......allowing businesses to break up unions, export manufacturing overseas and depress wages and benefits.
#40. To: lucysmom (#35)
You can't be serious.
#41. To: buckeroo (#36)
Yeah, so what? the American government (on all levels) has slowly extracted the tax base from the private sector in such a way that about 20% - 33% of ALL government structures are paying for retirement benefits.
#42. To: buckeroo (#40)
No other nation has ever undertaken the task of WORLDCOP as the USA has performed EVER! The costs have been enormous, too. There isn't one significant advantage to this excessive empire building for America, either.
#43. To: Godwinson (#7)
#44. To: Godwinson (#34)
That is because American government on all levels have stolen the average American paycheck through.......allowing businesses to break up unions, export manufacturing overseas and depress wages and benefits.
#45. To: buckeroo, lucysmom (#36)
The American worker is at work - works hard - for less pay and benefits like days off than in the pre - Reagan era. Since Reagan the American worker has worked harder but saw little increase in pay or benefits with a small blip in the Clinton era which did see a rise in pay and benefits for a short time.
#46. To: lucysmom (#41)
In California, state employee retirement contributions were invested in the market.
#47. To: buckeroo (#44)
. Unions created a remarkable improvement within industry at one time in America before government OVER-REGULATION took the lead;
#48. To: Godwinson (#45)
(Edited)
So what? You must agree to this statement and not care - even though this proves America's philosophy regarding the economy is a failure.....
Since we agree on the facts the the bone of contention is if that is desirable an outcome or not. Let the people decide. At least you are not pushing the Republican line that these last 30 years were a golden age for American workers before Obama came along (bit rather 30 years of decline thanks to Reaganomics - which you are OK with).
#49. To: buckeroo (#48)
I only know that we work hard, be responsible and learn to improve our own lives and those around us. It doesn't mean we get a faire share of any dividend whether guaranteed or not.
#50. To: mininggold (#20)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#51. To: Godwinson (#47)
Businesses created a remarkable improvement within industry at one time in America before government DE-REGULATION took the lead and allowed for exportation of jobs and the creation of shoddy Walmart priced goods as the norm.
#52. To: buckeroo (#9)
If I were you, I would modify your preface statement and congratulate jwpegler for his hard work to land a contract while making a few bucks.
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
blame the two party system in America. I haven't voted for any charlatan in either of the two large political parties for about 30 years.
#54. To: mininggold, jwpegler (#52)
Pegleleg posted this thread but seems mysteriously absent from it's discussion. Hmmmmm, I wonder why? My bet... he has everyone but you on Bozo. Since he has me on Bozo I will not ping him.
He's another one like you who can't define or even cite an example of a 'free market'.
#55. To: buckeroo, mininggold, jwpegler (#54)
#56. To: buckeroo (#54)
You just manifested an issue that I can not understand. You are devolving the thread towards archaic name-calling while not giving the poster any benefit of the doubt. jwpegler has said he got back from his week long Taiwan trip. Do you know what a trip like that costs in terms of planning, organizing, dollar costs, the strain of meetings and negotiations to win a contract? And contrary to some viewpoints, the heads of some of these companies don't speak English; there is a significant amount of discussion in Taiwanese lingo which keeps an American in the dark.
#57. To: Godwinson (#53)
#58. To: buckeroo (#57)
#59. To: mininggold (#56)
He's another one like you who can't define or even cite an example of a 'free market'.
#60. To: buckeroo (#59)
(Edited)
I am fairely steadfast in my opinions until proven otherwise. But, you can't answer a simple question.
#61. To: mininggold, buckeroo (#60)
.canning my own preserves
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#62. To: mininggold (#60)
Yes I have asked you for an example.
He's another one like you who can't define or even cite an example of a 'free market'.
Excuse me if I'm not johnny on the spot for one of those of those prompt replies. Try to keep this straight, I'm not one of your flunkies, and I'm doing this in between doing one of those long forgotten, old fashioned conservative behaviors ..canning my own preserves.
#63. To: buckeroo (#62)
Mininggold: There are no free markets nor have there ever been.
#64. To: buckeroo (#62)
Nope. Answer my questions in post#54; surly you can do this while canning your preserves. Don't play the game of dodge ball with me unless you want to win.
#65. To: mininggold (#63)
#66. To: mininggold (#64)
#67. To: hondo68 (#61)
(Edited)
Moonshine! Watch out for the revenuers.
#68. To: buckeroo (#66)
(Edited)
I already explained the probable reason(s) in post#54. Feel free to read it again.
#69. To: buckeroo (#65)
I suppose I did not fully elucidate how the federal government "CRA" program has literally destroyed America.
#70. To: buckeroo, miningold (#65)
That is how America went bankrupt. It was the federal government creating the false promise of home/business ownership.
#71. To: go65 buckeroo (#70)
this is complete bunk, the CRA didn't cause the financial crisis, what caused the financial crisis was an unfettered CDS market and banks that realized profit potential in selling mortgages for bundling into CDSs. You also had a weak SEC in the 2000's that allowed brokerage firms to borrow up to 30x their capital.
#72. To: buckeroo (#40)
lucysmom: You can't be serious.
#73. To: Capitalist Eric (#72)
(Edited)
When she gets spanked too bad, she flips over to mininggold, so she can have "conversations" with herself.
#74. To: buckeroo (#8)
if someone wants to buy a car from the US ($20,000) that same vehicle will have a tax levied at over 100% of the sticker value
This small group of terrorists [Tea Party members] have made it impossible to spend any money. -- Mike Doyle (D-PA)
#75. To: Biff Tannen (#19)
(Edited)
Where did you go?
This small group of terrorists [Tea Party members] have made it impossible to spend any money. -- Mike Doyle (D-PA)
#76. To: buckeroo (#54)
(Edited)
even IF he was in 1st class
This small group of terrorists [Tea Party members] have made it impossible to spend any money. -- Mike Doyle (D-PA)
#77. To: jwpegler (#76)
#78. To: buckeroo (#40)
No other nation has ever undertaken the task of WORLDCOP as the USA has performed EVER! The costs have been enormous, too. There isn't one significant advantage to this excessive empire building for America, either.
This small group of terrorists [Tea Party members] have made it impossible to spend any money. -- Mike Doyle (D-PA)
#79. To: buckeroo (#77)
Just keep in mind that a lot of us wish you well on your potential contract with Taiwan.
This small group of terrorists [Tea Party members] have made it impossible to spend any money. -- Mike Doyle (D-PA)
#80. To: Gooberlosertion aka liar and libTURD whore (#2)
You do know the forces of dictator Chiang Kai Shek carried out a generations long "White Terror" on the population - which lasted longer and killed more people per capita than the Maoist purges.
#81. To: jwpegler (#76)
No one but government politicians, senior government bureaucrats, Wall Street crooks (who are in cahoots with the politicians), and Hollywood moguls can afford 1st Class any more.
#82. To: go65 (#70)
what caused the financial crisis was an unfettered CDS market and banks that realized profit potential in selling mortgages for bundling into CDSs.
#83. To: jwpegler (#75)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#84. To: jwpegler (#78)
Fortunately, people are starting to get it.
#85. To: lucysmom (#84)
Hippies paved the way.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#86. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#85)
Yesterday's hippies are today's establishment.
#87. To: lucysmom, Get Outta Dodge! (#86)
#88. To: Godwinson (#87)
WE OWE IT ALL TO THE HIPPIES
#89. To: socalv8 (#88)
We should have busted more heads in '68 Chicago.
#90. To: lucysmom (#86)
George Bush types are more of the establishment ilk; I doubt he was ever a hippie.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#91. To: Godwinson (#89)
they still don't get science and believe in primitive superstitions.
#92. To: Godwinson (#87)
Hippies and hippie culture in academia produced today's computer world.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#93. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#92)
Nerds aren't the same as hippies.
#94. To: socalv8, Get Outta Dodge!, lucysmom (#93)
#95. To: Godwinson (#89)
Also, hippies were not involved in politics much - they advocated dropping out of the system.
#96. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#90)
ROFLMAO!!!
#97. To: socalv8 (#91)
Note the diversity.
#98. To: lucysmom (#95)
They certainly were anti war and willing to put their asses on the line to end the Vietnam War and the draft as well
#99. To: lucysmom (#95)
willing to put their asses on the line to end the Vietnam War
#100. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#92)
Nerds aren't the same as hippies.
#101. To: lucysmom (#97)
Diversity is the reason Silicon Valley is in California.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#102. To: lucysmom (#100)
Nerds aren't the same as hippies.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#103. To: calcon (#99)
nothing courageous about draft dodging cowards living off daddy's money.
#104. To: calcon (#99)
and what exactly would that line be? the welfare line, cafeteria line, free clinic line?
#105. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#101)
Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong again.
#106. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#101)
(Edited)
Stanford University is.
#107. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#102)
(Edited)
It took more than smoking dope to be a hippie.
#108. To: lucysmom (#106)
And it was the universities policy to attract only conservative white men of European decent?
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#109. To: lucysmom (#106)
And it was the university's policy to attract only conservative white men of European decent?
#110. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#108)
I presume a university of Stanford's reputation would (or should) concern itself with attracting the best and the brightest. Period.
#111. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#108)
No. Race is something only you statists and the Klan are obsessed with.
#112. To: lucysmom (#107)
Maybe your definition of hippie is too narrow.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#113. To: mininggold (#111)
You sound either too young or too foreign with your weasel words to actually have lived here during that era.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#114. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#112)
also hip·py (h-p') pronunciation n., pl., -pies. A person who opposes and rejects many of the conventional standards and customs of society, especially one who advocates extreme liberalism in sociopolitical attitudes and lifestyles.
#115. To: mininggold (#109)
LOL I remember when we played them. Even their band had hippie types.
#116. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#113)
Which is it today?
#117. To: mininggold (#114)
You are just too funny
. . . so are you.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#118. To: lucysmom (#115)
Remember David Harris? He was Stanford Student Body President and later went to prison for his anti-draft activities.
#119. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#117)
. . so are you.
#120. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#112)
Let me know when Gates starts giving his software away, and Jobs gives out free MACS, okay?
#121. To: mininggold (#119)
Evidently you have now conceded that you are too ignorant of the topic to continue the discussion.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#122. To: lucysmom (#120)
Gates is famous not only for software, but also for giving his money away.
#123. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#121)
That Stanford University is in California? I think we all agreed on that.
#124. To: lucysmom (#120)
Gates is famous not only for software, but also for giving his money away.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#125. To: mininggold (#123)
The point.... as usual.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#126. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#121)
That hippies were dropouts? No argument there.
#127. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#124)
But not to toot my own horn, but I suspect I give more (percentage wise) to charity than he does.
#128. To: lucysmom (#127)
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#129. To: lucysmom (#127)
Good for you. How is that relevant to the conversation?
#130. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#128)
You tell me.
#131. To: mininggold (#129)
It's the only area in which he can beat Bill Gates.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#132. To: mininggold (#130)
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#133. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#132)
I'm still waiting for you to educate me as to what the hell the point of this conversation is.
#134. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#131)
Wow - looks like we can add clairvoyant to your resume.
#135. To: mininggold (#133)
I'm saving on bandwidth by not repeating it.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#136. To: mininggold (#134)
You moderators say the stupidest things.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#137. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#128)
You're the one who brought up Gates' giving to charity and being famous for it.
#138. To: mininggold (#129)
It's the only area in which he can beat Bill Gates.
#139. To: lucysmom, mininggold (#138)
It's the only area in which he can beat Bill Gates.
HA! The tea-party, INDEED! They're so . . . ah . . . common
#140. To: Get Outta Dodge!, mininggold (#139)
(Edited)
Just as I have your ladies' word that you're two actual people.
#141. To: lucysmom (#140)
Fortunately my existence as a flesh and blood person doesn't depend of what you believe.
#142. To: mininggold (#141)
Tea Baggers evidently are so easy to fool, that one doesn't even have to try.
#143. To: lucysmom, Buckeroo (#137)
Then, after I responded to your challenge, you inserted yourself into a discussion that wasn't about you.
#144. To: mininggold (#143)
He made it about himself like Buckeroo did yesterday, as every conversation eventually was manipulated by Bucky to be about Bucky.
#145. To: mininggold (#143)
#146. To: buckeroo (#145)
What are you talking about? Prove your contention or BACKOFF.
#147. To: Skip Intro (#144)
I finally had to put him on bozo. His pointless rants have gotten real old, real fast.
#148. To: Biff Tannen (#83)
I don't like anything over 4 hours anymore. If I can drive there in 10, I'll do that rather than fly.
This small group of terrorists [Tea Party members] have made it impossible to spend any money. -- Mike Doyle (D-PA)
#149. To: Godwinson (#89)
We? You mean Democrats? You are a Democrat?
#150. To: jwpegler (#148)
Seattle to Mumbai India. 24 hours in the air plus at least 7 hours of lay overs -- 2 in Dulles and 5 in Frankfort.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#151. To: socalv8 (#149)
As to your other point, is that Bill Gates or Steve Jobs pictured above, hippy?
#152. To: Biff Tannen (#150)
How was India? I've heard it's a shithole.
I will work every day to try to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can -- Rick Perry. believe him or not, it's a hell of quote in a country looking to D.C. for answers.
#153. To: jwpegler (#152)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#154. To: Godwinson (#151)
Steve Jobs? Total hippie
#155. To: socalv8 (#154)
Steve Jobs? Total hippie
#156. To: Godwinson (#155)
Steve Wozniak on Jobs:
Wearing sandals doesn't make you a gladiator, "retard".
Hippies dismissed the nerds that you are now trying to claim as your own.
Really?!
#157. To: socalv8 (#156)
#158. To: Godwinson (#157)
Which is closer to the truth?
#159. To: socalv8 (#158)
(Edited)
The side you're shilling against, as always.
#160. To: socalv8 (#156)
Hippies dismissed the nerds that you are now trying to claim as your own.
#161. To: mininggold, socalv8 (#159)
It was well known that Steve Jobs went through a hippie phase...
#162. To: lucysmom (#160)
(Edited)
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
#163. To: mininggold (#162)
When in fact some were the richest entreprenuers of their own times when you count the money they made from concerts and selling records.
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