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Title: DESTRO: Jesus is a big government tax and spend socialist
Source: the-peoples-forum.com
URL Source: http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=25446
Published: Aug 16, 2011
Author: Destro
Post Date: 2011-08-16 09:42:45 by Godwinson
Keywords: None
Views: 30906
Comments: 51

Jesus is a big government tax and spend socialist.

Here is God saying so in his own words in the Bible:

In Genesis 41:33-36, God's via Joseph gives his advice to Pharaoh to tax and then spend and subsidize the economy in times of recession:

“Now therefore, let Pharaoh select a discerning and wise man, and set him over the land of Egypt. Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, to collect one-fifth of the produce of the land of Egypt in the seven plentiful years. And let them gather all the food of those good years that are coming, and store up grain under the authority of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities. Then that food shall be as a reserve for the land for the seven years of famine which shall be in the land of Egypt, that the land may not perish during the famine.”

In Ex 23:10-11, Lev 25:5-7 God is pro government regulation of industry basically halting commerce for the sake of society.

In Deut 15:1-6 and Deut 15:3 from Deut 15:7-11 the Scriptures teach a cancelling of outstanding debt and not just an annulment of the interest on the debt.

Jesus was pro taxes: In Matthew 17:24-27 we learn that Jesus did indeed pay taxes: "After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?" "Yes, he does," he replied."

In Matthew 22:15-22 we read: "Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. (NIV)"

This same incident is also recorded in Mark 12:13-17 and Luke 20:20-26.

So the gospels leave no doubt that Jesus taught his followers not only in words, but by example, to give to the government any taxes that are owed.

In Romans 13:1, Paul brings further clarification to this concept, along with an even broader responsibility to Christians:

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." (NIV) Therefore, we can conclude from this verse, if we don't pay taxes we are rebelling against the authorities established by God.

Romans 13:2 gives this warning:

"Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

And finally, regarding the paying of taxes, Paul couldn't make it any clearer in Romans 13:5-7:

"Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."

Jesus was against capitalist banking (Matthew 21:12):

Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Jesus is against markets: John 2:16 "To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!""

Jesus warns the rich against hoarding their money and for giving away their money to the poor: Mark 10:17-25.

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#31. To: Godwinson (#0)

That is silly. God is the original conservative.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-16   13:15:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: diva betsy ross (#31)

God is the original conservative.

That's funny you think God is your kind of conservative even in the face of scripture contradicting your view.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   17:23:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Godwinson (#32) (Edited)

I would wager that I understand the scripture as well- if not better than you do.

God is a Conservative.

Scripture supports small government, personal responsbility ,conservation and fiscal responsibility- and charity given in the name of Jesus, to aid the poor and the widows.

Show me the money, OR where the word of God says otherwise.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-16   17:59:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: diva betsy ross (#36)

Scripture supports small government, personal responsbility ,conservation and fiscal responsibility- and charity given in the name of Jesus, to aid the poor and the widows.

Of course if human beings did take personal responsibility for conservation, charity towards the poor and widowed, and were fiscally responsible then small government would be all that was needed.

Where does the Bible support small government for human beings in our present fallen state?

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-16   18:17:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#37) (Edited)

Oh there is so much. Lets start with your favorite book of the Bible. And that would be...(fill in the blank).

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-16   21:14:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: diva betsy ross (#41)

Oh there is so much.

Then answering the question should be a snap.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-17   0:04:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: lucysmom (#47)

And it would be, with someone who was familiar with the Bible. I doubt that would be you, but if it is, let s begin with which book speaks to you.

Which book would that be?

diva betsy ross  posted on  2011-08-17   15:10:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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