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Title: DESTRO: Jesus is a big government tax and spend socialist
Source: the-peoples-forum.com
URL Source: http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=25446
Published: Aug 16, 2011
Author: Destro
Post Date: 2011-08-16 09:42:45 by Godwinson
Keywords: None
Views: 30047
Comments: 51

Jesus is a big government tax and spend socialist.

Here is God saying so in his own words in the Bible:

In Genesis 41:33-36, God's via Joseph gives his advice to Pharaoh to tax and then spend and subsidize the economy in times of recession:

“Now therefore, let Pharaoh select a discerning and wise man, and set him over the land of Egypt. Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, to collect one-fifth of the produce of the land of Egypt in the seven plentiful years. And let them gather all the food of those good years that are coming, and store up grain under the authority of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities. Then that food shall be as a reserve for the land for the seven years of famine which shall be in the land of Egypt, that the land may not perish during the famine.”

In Ex 23:10-11, Lev 25:5-7 God is pro government regulation of industry basically halting commerce for the sake of society.

In Deut 15:1-6 and Deut 15:3 from Deut 15:7-11 the Scriptures teach a cancelling of outstanding debt and not just an annulment of the interest on the debt.

Jesus was pro taxes: In Matthew 17:24-27 we learn that Jesus did indeed pay taxes: "After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?" "Yes, he does," he replied."

In Matthew 22:15-22 we read: "Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. (NIV)"

This same incident is also recorded in Mark 12:13-17 and Luke 20:20-26.

So the gospels leave no doubt that Jesus taught his followers not only in words, but by example, to give to the government any taxes that are owed.

In Romans 13:1, Paul brings further clarification to this concept, along with an even broader responsibility to Christians:

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." (NIV) Therefore, we can conclude from this verse, if we don't pay taxes we are rebelling against the authorities established by God.

Romans 13:2 gives this warning:

"Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

And finally, regarding the paying of taxes, Paul couldn't make it any clearer in Romans 13:5-7:

"Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."

Jesus was against capitalist banking (Matthew 21:12):

Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Jesus is against markets: John 2:16 "To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!""

Jesus warns the rich against hoarding their money and for giving away their money to the poor: Mark 10:17-25.

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#2. To: Godwinson (#0)

The NIV is not a good translation by the way. Use the King James version.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   10:37:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#2)

The NIV is not a good translation by the way.

I'd like to know how you know that. Are you proficient in translating Greek to English?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-16   11:04:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Skip Intro (#6)

Because the NIV calls Jesus a sinner.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   11:11:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#8)

Because the NIV calls Jesus a sinner.

So I ask again: Are you proficient in translating Greek to English?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-16   11:36:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Skip Intro (#19)

So I ask again: Are you proficient in translating Greek to English?

The NIV calls jesus a sinner. That means it is not reliable.

God said his word would be translated. So I don't need to know greek. I speak English only. I know a few Japanese words and some German and Mexican curse words too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   12:15:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#24) (Edited)

The NIV calls jesus a sinner.

Not really but online those who attack the NIV version say that by not including a qualifier about Jesus being angry with cause makes Jesus just angry and to be angry without a cause is a sin. Convoluted thinking.

http://www.kjv-only.com/matt5_22.html

Many KJV-only supporters will point out that "without a cause" is not present in many popular translations like the NIV and NASB, and then take us to John 2:13-17 where Jesus is angry and cleanses the temple. They then say that the newer versions, because Jesus was angry yet "without a cause" is not present in Matt 5:22, have indicated that Jesus sinned.

The text of the KJV and a few other translations say that anger "without a cause" will cause one to be in danger of the judgement. I have asked several people (including some KJV-only supporters), without response, how it would even be possible to be angry "without a cause" in the first place. All anger has a cause. Sometimes the cause is good, sometimes not, but there is always a "cause" - seeing an injustice, jealousy, pride, being beaten at checkers, etc. For example, was it wrong for Cain to be angry and kill Able? He had a cause - Able's sacrifice was accepted while his wasn't. Perhaps jealousy. Perhaps pride. Perhaps he felt he was being treated unfairly.

Hitler had a "cause". Nero had a "cause". The antichrist will have a "cause". Does the KJV get these men off the hook? Now, some of you might say "but these aren't good causes". The text doesn't say "good cause" or "just cause", it simply says "cause".

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   12:21:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Godwinson, A K A Stone (#26)

The NIV calls jesus a sinner.

Not really...

Basically, he knows the NIV is not accurate because someone told him.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-16   12:36:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysmom (#28)

The NIV calls jesus a sinner.

Not really...

Basically, he knows the NIV is not accurate because someone told him.

The NIV implies Jesus got mad without cause, which gets interpreted by some as being a sin. Why getting mad with cause is not a sin is beyond my theological understanding.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-16   12:41:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Skip Intro (#29)

Why getting mad with cause is not a sin is beyond my theological understanding.

So you wouldn't get angry if some hoodlum came along and chopped off grannies head while she was feeding some birds at the park?

What kind of monster are you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   17:49:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#34)

OK, Stone. Tell me when how a person gets mad without cause. The insane like Mad Dog don't count.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-16   20:12:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Skip Intro (#38)

OK, Stone. Tell me when how a person gets mad without cause.

Say I am standing in line at a public event for the porta potties. Say I am in line before some other guy. Say he wants to go in front of him. Say I say wait your turn. Say he hits me in the face because I don't let him go first. There is one example and it is true.

Here is another

Say I'm walking down the street and I have an ice cream cone. Then there is a poor kid and he wants my ice cream cone. He gets mad because he sees I'm driving a nice car and he is coveting it. He gets pissed off and takes my ice cream cone.

The examples are endless.

Say you have 2 daughters. One says the dress is hers and the other says it is hers. One gets mad and hits the other one. The one who got mad is not the owner of the dress.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   21:07:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#39)

All of your examples show people getting mad for cause. Thanks for making my point.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-16   22:29:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#44. To: Skip Intro (#43)

That is not a cause.

A cause would be if someone hit you with a pipe for no reason. Then you got pissed off.

Do not pass first grade do not collect your certificate to attend second grade.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16 22:31:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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