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Title: DESTRO: Jesus is a big government tax and spend socialist
Source: the-peoples-forum.com
URL Source: http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=25446
Published: Aug 16, 2011
Author: Destro
Post Date: 2011-08-16 09:42:45 by Godwinson
Keywords: None
Views: 33100
Comments: 51

Jesus is a big government tax and spend socialist.

Here is God saying so in his own words in the Bible:

In Genesis 41:33-36, God's via Joseph gives his advice to Pharaoh to tax and then spend and subsidize the economy in times of recession:

“Now therefore, let Pharaoh select a discerning and wise man, and set him over the land of Egypt. Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, to collect one-fifth of the produce of the land of Egypt in the seven plentiful years. And let them gather all the food of those good years that are coming, and store up grain under the authority of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities. Then that food shall be as a reserve for the land for the seven years of famine which shall be in the land of Egypt, that the land may not perish during the famine.”

In Ex 23:10-11, Lev 25:5-7 God is pro government regulation of industry basically halting commerce for the sake of society.

In Deut 15:1-6 and Deut 15:3 from Deut 15:7-11 the Scriptures teach a cancelling of outstanding debt and not just an annulment of the interest on the debt.

Jesus was pro taxes: In Matthew 17:24-27 we learn that Jesus did indeed pay taxes: "After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?" "Yes, he does," he replied."

In Matthew 22:15-22 we read: "Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. (NIV)"

This same incident is also recorded in Mark 12:13-17 and Luke 20:20-26.

So the gospels leave no doubt that Jesus taught his followers not only in words, but by example, to give to the government any taxes that are owed.

In Romans 13:1, Paul brings further clarification to this concept, along with an even broader responsibility to Christians:

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." (NIV) Therefore, we can conclude from this verse, if we don't pay taxes we are rebelling against the authorities established by God.

Romans 13:2 gives this warning:

"Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

And finally, regarding the paying of taxes, Paul couldn't make it any clearer in Romans 13:5-7:

"Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."

Jesus was against capitalist banking (Matthew 21:12):

Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Jesus is against markets: John 2:16 "To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!""

Jesus warns the rich against hoarding their money and for giving away their money to the poor: Mark 10:17-25.

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#1. To: Godwinson (#0)

“Now therefore, let Pharaoh select a discerning and wise man, and set him over the land of Egypt. Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, to collect one-fifth of the produce of the land

They already take more the 20 percent, and there is no famine. Everyone got to eat the food, not just the deadbeats.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   10:35:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)

They already take more the 20 percent, and there is no famine. Everyone got to eat the food, not just the deadbeats.

God = Big Govt Socialist

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   10:49:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Godwinson (#3)

You're a nutjob. I feel sorry for you. Get off the internet and get a job outside somewhere. Get some fresh air.

The Bible says you don't work you don't eat.

Your big government nightmare says go work and give to lazy asses.

Your heart may be in the right place, but you're crazy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   10:52:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

The Bible says you don't work you don't eat.

Where? Last I read the Bible Jesus gave fish and bread away for free as if they were made out of thin air.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   11:01:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Godwinson (#5)

The Bible says you don't work you don't eat.

Where? Last I read the Bible Jesus gave fish and bread away for free as if they were made out of thin air.

2 Thessalonians 3:10

King James Version (KJV)

10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

They followed Jesus and he fed them. That doesn't mean they weren't to work.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   11:15:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9) (Edited)

You mistake socialism with welfare. Socialism is the control of enterprise for the betterment of society, per God's own words.

Bible in Basic English:

"For it has come to our ears that there are some among you whose behaviour is uncontrolled, who do no work at all, but are over-interested in the business of others."

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   11:19:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#11. To: Godwinson (#10)

Socialism is the control of enterprise for the betterment of society

I'm not part of an ant colony. I am an individual with individual desires and needs. Screw your group think.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16 11:22:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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