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Title: Screw The Rich (Here’s How)
Source: Tech Crunch
URL Source: http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/screw-the-rich-heres-how/
Published: Aug 16, 2011
Author: Michael Arrington
Post Date: 2011-08-16 07:20:14 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 5711
Comments: 15

Tax the rich. Those bastards.

I get why people who aren’t rich hate those that are. No one really cares what they have, they only care what they have relative to others. When there is inequality, and there always is, even the hyper intelligent call for a redistribution of wealth. It’s an enduring longing for us as a species, and no evidence to the contrary will convince people it just doesn’t work in any large group.

What I really didn’t understand until recently though is why so many rich Americans seem to loathe their richness as much as everyone else does. Many in Silicon Valley want to tax the rich into the middle class and let government spend and spend and spend. The super rich tech elite flock to Obama, joining in the call to screw the rich as loudly as all the rest.

Then I figured it out. As I wrote then, the super rich won’t mind at all if we “tax the rich” as it’s currently defined. That’s because people who are super rich don’t really pay taxes. They pay taxes on this year’s income, and capital gains on accumulated wealth. But the only “tax” that can ever touch what they’ve already made is inflation.

That’s why a man worth $47 billion dollars can pay just $6,938,744 in federal income taxes and not be accused of a crime. In fact, he can boast about how little he pays, and ask to be charged even more.

That man is Warren Buffett. And his article in today’s NY Times, titled “Stop Coddling The Super Rich” is a huge pile of manipulative garbage.

The super rich love to talk about higher taxes on the rich because it’s a competitive barrier protecting them from competition. If the people making a lot of money today have to pay much higher taxes, they probably won’t ever accumulate enough wealth to be “super rich.”

Now if you really want to screw the rich, start talking about a wealth tax. It won’t save the economy but it’ll certainly serve to even everything out. Buffett wants a higher tax rate on himself and anyone making $1 million or more per year. If you doubled the tax rate on these people, someone making $1 million a year would lose another $380,000 to the government.

Buffett calls for an increase in all types of taxes – income, dividend and capital gains. That would be a nice triple layer of protection against any newcomers, and still preserve all – 100% – of the $47 billion he’s accumulated until now.

Buffett is just fine with big new taxes on the rich because those taxes never touch all the under-taxed wealth he’s accumulated over the decades. He talks about how he’s benefited for decades by being under taxed, but is only willing to pay more in the future. That’s like a steroids-ridden baseball player declaring that steroids are bad and from now on no one gets to take them. But paying for past sins? Shhh.

I say if Buffett wants higher taxes, Buffett should get higher taxes. Take 50% of his wealth immediately. And everyone else who’s super rich. Hell, take 100% of everyone’s wealth over $1 million. That’ll even the playing field. We’ll do it again in ten years. Some sneaky people will figure out a way to cheat the system and accumulate more wealth than everyone else, but we’ll knock ‘em back down to earth again.

Think that’s crazy? In the late 90s Donald Trump proposed a one time 14.25% tax on the net worth of individuals and trusts worth $10 million or more. The goal? To pay down the national debt, and shore up Social Security.

Wealth taxes aren’t new, they’re just new here in the U.S. So the next time some super rich person stands up and says they must pay more taxes, ask them how serious they are. And then ask them how they’d feel about a wealth tax every year.

Rich people are very good at staying rich. And Warren Buffett is the smartest rich person I know. That’s why he’s able to say feel good bullshit about how he should be paying higher taxes when he has absolutely no intention of letting the government anywhere near his real money.

As for me, I think the government should be starved of income and be forced to spend money where it’s supposed to – defending the border, establishing a trusted currency, and protecting property rights. Whenever they muck around with the other stuff everyone gets poorer. We need to let people dream of getting disgustingly rich, and then let them go out there and do it. After that, we celebrate them so that more people get the idea of getting rich, too. It’s what makes Silicon Valley work. And everyone benefits, even the people who don’t end up rich.

ps – If you like the image above, buy the tshirt here. Although really, they’re charging way too much. They’re probably getting filthy rich selling those tshirts, the bastards.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

As for me, I think the government should be starved of income and be forced to spend money where it’s supposed to – defending the border, establishing a trusted currency, and protecting property rights.

This pig is more than welcomed to move to Somalia where the govt is starved of all money.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   9:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

Whenever they muck around with the other stuff everyone gets poorer.

Why is Finland able to tax the rich and still produce a functioning society with high standards? They have obscene level of wealth taxes and fines - for example parking tickets are paid on an income scale. For an average salary it would be around $200 penalty for speeding and for a rich person $200,000 dollars for speeding.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3477285.stm

Jussi Salonoja, the 27-year-old heir to a family-owned sausage empire, was given the £116,000 ticket after being caught driving 80km/h in a 40km/h zone.

Helsinki police came up with the figure after tax office data showed that Mr Salonoja earned close to £7m in 2002.

If his penalty stands it will beat the previous record of almost 80,000 euros.

That figure (£54,000) was paid in 2000 by Finnish internet millionaire Jaakko Rytsola, when he was caught speeding.

Yet Mr Salonoja could yet get his penalty reduced, as was the case with Nokia executive Anssi Vanjoki.

In 2002, Mr Vanjoki's 116,000 euros fine was reduced by no less than 95% due to his drop in income following a downturn in the mobile phone maker's profits.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   9:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Godwinson (#1)

This pig is more than welcomed to move to Somalia where the govt is starved of all money.

You hate the constitution. You are the enemy of Americans. Go jump off a bridge wack job. Not one with water under it either.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   9:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Godwinson (#2)

For an average salary it would be around $200 penalty for speeding and for a rich person $200,000 dollars for speeding.

Your problem is you are a lazy ass who sits on the internet all day. Go get a job loser. Quit coveting what other people have. If you come to my house and try to take something it would end with you sprawled out over the floor. Fucking thieves.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   9:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Godwinson (#2) (Edited)

Why is Finland

Then move there you piece of shit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   9:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Godwinson (#2)

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44154906

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   9:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#4)

I have a job like Warren Buffet has a job and we both advocate for higher taxes on the rich.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   9:21:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Godwinson (#7)

I have a job like Warren Buffet has a job and we both advocate for higher taxes on the rich.

So why don't you and the rich "Volunteer" to pay in extra money to help reduce the deficit, the government will gladly take your money......

Total contributions to date..... $2,035,349.94

www.trea surydirect.gov/go...rts/pd/gift/gift_2011.htm

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-08-16   21:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CZ82 (#8) (Edited)

So why don't you and the rich "Volunteer" to pay in extra money to help reduce the deficit, the government will gladly take your money......

Your response is like praying to the rain god to deal with a drought....and the GOP's leading lights did just that so there you go.

....and that's why Republicans can not be allowed to have any say in how to run an economy. They just don't understand any of the sciences, climate, evolutionary, economic, biologic.....

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   22:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Godwinson (#9)

Liberals such as yourself are mentally ill. You think we evolved. When the tea party takes over we are going to put you in a cage with a horny monkey. He's your cousin right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   22:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)

I am not a liberal actually as the Americans define it and evolution is an established fact.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-16   22:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Godwinson (#11)

evolution is an established fact.

You don't believe that of course. You are just trying to rationalize the fact that you have sex with monkeys.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-16   22:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Godwinson (#9)

Your response is like praying to the rain god to deal with a drought....

No, their rhetoric is all a bunch of bullshit.... If they want to pay more taxes they could do so by making out a check to the treasury.... but they don't.... They want everybody else to pay more taxes, not themselves.... That's how it works if you're a shill for the Dumbassocrats, lie your ass off and receive a benefit from them for doing so.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-08-17   7:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CZ82 (#13)

They want everybody else to pay more taxes, not themselves.

Do you have a mental disconnect? Rich billionaire Buffett just said he feels awful he pays less % in taxes of his income than his wage earning office employees and he is sick of it (and has been for along time).

First you kooks ignore the advice of scientists and economists by calling them pointy headed academists without real world experiences as justifications for not following their advice then when a man like Warren Buffet comes along who has shown real world business sense over DECADES and tells you the way it is you ignore that advice too.

You freaks are no different than the Khmer Rouge or Maoists - you don't care if your economic ideology does not work in the real world (Reagonomics never worked) as long as you don't deviate from the party line. You belong to a cult - not a science / rationalist system.

With the economy still in the dumper -- maybe permanently? -- and full-time jobs becoming as scarce as rain during a drought, huge percentages of Americans have had their (misplaced) faith in the American dream shaken, the upper-middle-class consumerist lifestyle is exposed as a mirage for anybody who plays by the rules. Capitalism and the America that embraced it as a way of life is now and forever more a failure. It does me good to know that the generation that voted in Reagan and his ideology will see their America die from that ideology before their very own eyes and knowing they had a hand in its destruction.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-08-17   9:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Godwinson (#14)

Do you have a mental disconnect? Rich billionaire Buffett just said he feels awful he pays less % in taxes of his income than his wage earning office employees and he is sick of it (and has been for along time).

If he's so god damned sick and tired of "NOT PAYING ENOUGH TAXES", why doesn't he just go ahead and pay into the pay down the deficit fund thru the Treasury "INSTEAD OF JUST BITCHING ABOUT IT"????????

Why is he taking all of the tax deductions he's taking then?????? Why not refuse them, say "Phuck you" to the government "I'm gonna pay more than what I really owe".....

You can't give me a logical answer, can you.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-08-17   16:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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