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Title: Americans' views of Congress reach historic lows
Source: LATims
URL Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/au ... /la-pn-congress-polls-20110812
Published: Aug 14, 2011
Author: staff
Post Date: 2011-08-14 11:13:51 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 30260
Comments: 62

As bad a stretch as President Obama has had of late -- and there's no denying it's been bad -- the recent debt-ceiling hike has managed to draw an already unpopular Congress to new depths, according to a series of new polls.

Consider these findings:

•A CNN/Opinion Research poll shows just 14% of voters approve of Congress's job performance, while 84% disapprove -- both records.
•A CBS/New York Times poll has similar numbers -- 14% approve and 82% disapprove of Congress' job performance, the latter an all-time high.
•A Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll puts Congress' approval even lower -- 10%. That's a drop from 20% in late June.
•Just 18% of registered voters in a Washington Post survey said they were inclined to vote to re-elect their representative in Congress -- the lowest number in more than two decades (only once before had it ever dipped below 30%).

Congress has rarely polled very well. But as Arizona Sen. John McCain joked during the 2008 primaries, polling this low means we're down to just close relatives and paid staff in the approval camp.

What that cheap charlatan left out, were their god damned lobbyists.

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

Do you think this is because of the tea party? Or because most of congress isn't "tea party" enough?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1) (Edited)

Do you think this is because of the tea party? Or because most of congress isn't "tea party" enough?

Tea party, who's approval rating is down to 18%

Democrats have moved ahead on the generic ballot and are now in a position to retake the House next year. The insanity of the tea party is doing for the national Republicans what it did for state Republicans in Colorado. Nevada, and Delaware.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   11:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#2)

So you like the status quo and large deficits. You must be on our stolen gravy train.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3) (Edited)

So you like the status quo and large deficits. You must be on our stolen gravy train.

No, I don't like the status quo, but I don't see pushing the country into a depression as a wise move right now. And if the tea party were truly concerned about deficits, it should have taken the $4 trillion deal on the table which would have avoided a debt downgrade. Instead, it's unwillingness to consider tax hikes (something Reagan even supported), and it's open talk that "default wouldn't be so bad" led to the recent downgrade which will cost people far more than tax hikes ever would have.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   11:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#4)

So you think 50 percent tax rate on some people is ok?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)

So you think 50 percent tax rate on some people is ok?

Who is proposing a 50% tax level?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   11:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lucysmom (#6)

Who is proposing a 50% tax level?

Some people already pay more then 50 percent. When you add in state and local taxes, medicare, medicaid, socialist security, and sales taxes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#7) (Edited)

Answer lucy's question. Who is proposing a 50% income tax level?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-14   11:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#5)

So you think 50 percent tax rate on some people is ok?

what were tax rates on the top wage earners in the 1950's when the economy was booming and the middle class was growing?

Look, if you want to defeat Obama, you should learn the lesson of Nevada, Colorado, and Delaware and not nominate a right-wing nut job who has fanatical support from 10% of the voting public.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   11:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Skip Intro (#8)

Read what I said dumb ass. I asked if is it ok for some people to pay over 50 percent in taxes. You don't get to right off your state and local taxes from your federal taxes.

I wouldn't expect welfare sponges to understand that. Not saying you are on welfare. But maybe about as smart er dumb.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: go65 (#9)

Look, if you want to defeat Obama, you should learn the lesson of Nevada, Colorado, and Delaware and not nominate a right-wing nut job who has fanatical support from 10% of the voting public.

I learned the Rand Paul lesson from Kentucky. He won it a democrap state.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)

So you can't answer her question so you change the subject. Typical for a dumb shit like you.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-14   11:52:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Some people already pay more then 50 percent. When you add in state and local taxes, medicare, medicaid, socialist security, and sales taxes.

If you want to add those taxes in then you have to accept that all Americans and even illegal immigrants pay taxes - are you willing to do that?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   11:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#7) (Edited)

Some people already pay more then 50 percent. When you add in state and local taxes, medicare, medicaid, socialist security, and sales taxes.

For relief of three out of the six you should move to Nevada.

I would say move to Texas, but in certain jurisdictions their property taxes are enormous.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-14   11:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: go65 (#9)

what were tax rates on the top wage earners in the 1950's when the economy was booming and the middle class was growing?

Tax rates aren't the only factor.

The government can't make the economy good or bad. It is up to indivuduals to do that. They can have an effect. But it is the people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#10)

I wouldn't expect welfare sponges to understand that.

Even welfare sponges pay taxes.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   11:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lucysmom (#13)

If you want to add those taxes in then you have to accept that all Americans and even illegal immigrants pay taxes - are you willing to do that?

It isn't hard to admit the truth. Of course everyone pays some sales taxes. That doesn't justify illegal immigration though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mininggold (#14)

For relief of three out of the six you should move to Nevada.

Nevada's economy is even worse than California's.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   11:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#16)

I wouldn't expect welfare sponges to understand that.

Even welfare sponges pay taxes.

Yes they pay taxes like sales tax with the tax money that someone else paid. It is legalized theft. Well it is.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Read what I said dumb ass. I asked if is it ok for some people to pay over 50 percent in taxes. You don't get to right off your state and local taxes from your federal taxes.

I wouldn't expect welfare sponges to understand that. Not saying you are on welfare. But maybe about as smart er dumb.

My preference is for replacing income-based taxes with a national sales tax.

Bachmann's preference is for sending the economy into a depression by immediately cutting federal spending by 40%.

If you think she'll win on that platform, well good luck.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   11:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#15)

The government can't make the economy good or bad.

Really, so you think all those blaming high unemployment on Obama are wrong?

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   11:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: mininggold (#14)

For relief of three out of the six you should move to Nevada.

Been to Nevada one time. About a year and a half ago. I was there when the earthquake hit Haiti. I enjoyed Vegas. Lost a little money. Not to much though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: go65 (#21)

Really, so you think all those blaming high unemployment on Obama are wrong?

I tried to clarify in the part of my quote you left off for some obvious reason.

What I am saying is the government can't automatically make it good. It takes individuals working hard and doing the right thing. The government can make it worse by taking to much money out of hands of the people who earned it. I should have worded it better and been more clear.

Obama deserves a great deal of blame for the economy. But it isn't his fault entirely for sure.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   12:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#22)

Been to Nevada one time. About a year and a half ago. I was there when the earthquake hit Haiti. I enjoyed Vegas. Lost a little money. Not to much though.

it has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. One of the main reasons why Angle lost is that she exposed her utter idiocy when she publicly opposed Harry Reid's efforts to lobby for low cost loans to support the City Center project in Las Vegas that will create approximately 22,000 jobs.

The CEO of MGM Grand (a Republican who swung his support to Reid) noted:

“Murren said Tuesday that Angle's comment that the company's CityCenter development injured other businesses in Nevada was disappointing and perplexing. He questions how a U.S. Senate candidate could have such a "poor" understanding of business and economics.”

Bachmann aims to do on a national scale what Angle tried in Nevada - bring her absolute idiocy to a point where it can kill not just tends of thousands, but hundreds of thousands of jobs.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   12:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: go65 (#20)

My preference is for replacing income-based taxes with a national sales tax.

Bachmann's preference is for sending the economy into a depression by immediately cutting federal spending by 40%.

If you think she'll win on that platform, well good luck.

A flat tax would be a good idea. I agree with you if that is what you are talking about.

If the federal spending is cut 40 percent. There should be tax reductions of about half of that to put more money back into the economy.

If people get to keep more money it is better then sending it to buerocrats in Washington DC who take a cut then send it back out. I want those people out of the jobs they are in and out working for a living.

It is a violation of natural law to take from one group of people and give to another.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   12:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#19)

It is legalized theft. Well it is.

Government has the right to tax, and people have an obligation to pay those taxes, even the Bible says that without commenting on how the money is spent by government.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   12:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Fred Mertz (#25)

I have a spelling error I didn't correct above.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   12:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)

What I am saying is the government can't automatically make it good. It takes individuals working hard and doing the right thing. The government can make it worse by taking to much money out of hands of the people who earned it. I should have worded it better and been more clear.

Fair enough. But you ignore the fact that government can hurt the economy a great deal by rapidly cutting spending.

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http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=23063

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   12:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#17)

It isn't hard to admit the truth. Of course everyone pays some sales taxes. That doesn't justify illegal immigration though.

Illegal immigration greatly benefits those artificial entities that have the same rights as individual citizens to free speech, called corporations. You wouldn't deny them their ability to obtain cheap or even free labor to lower their bottom line, would you?

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-14   12:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#26)

Government has the right to tax, and people have an obligation to pay those taxes, even the Bible says that without commenting on how the money is spent by government.

That isn't true LM. First the Bible says to give if what? If you are Caesars and not Gods.

It also does say what the role of government is. Let me give you a hint. It isn't the welfare state.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   12:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#25) (Edited)

If the federal spending is cut 40 percent. There should be tax reductions of about half of that to put more money back into the economy.

You need to do the math.

If government spending is cut by 40% and revenues remain flat, the budget will be balanced. Cutting taxes further means more reductions in revenue, meaning more cuts in spending to achieve balance.

But that's a false calculation - cutting spending by 40% will dramatically slow the economy, likely to the point of a depression, which means a drop in tax revenues, thus putting you into a downward spiral.

As I've noted numerous times, look at the impact of austerity in places like the UK and Ireland. The economies slowed as a result of spending cuts, shrinking tax revenues, and leaving budget deficits the same as before austerity was implemented.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   12:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: mininggold (#29)

Illegal immigration greatly benefits those artificial entities that have the same rights as individual citizens to free speech, called corporations. You wouldn't deny them their ability to obtain cheap or even free labor to lower their bottom line, would you?

You must think I am some rich country club Republican. I'm not. I drive a beat up f150. I have to go work for a living. I do enjoy what I do though.

I would deny them the ability to hire foreigners. This is America. It is for Americans. We should be looking out for Americans not foreign invaders.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   12:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#30)

That isn't true LM. First the Bible says to give if what? If you are Caesars and not Gods.

Only if you buy that twisted argument.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   12:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#32)

You must think I am some rich country club Republican. I'm not. I drive a beat up f150. I have to go work for a living. I do enjoy what I do though.

You seem to be fond of Rick Perry though, who is running on his "texas creates jobs" record even though most of those jobs are minimum wage and are staffed by immigrants (often illegal).

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   12:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: go65 (#31)

But that's a false calculation - cutting spending by 40% will dramatically slow the economy, likely to the point of a depression, which means a drop in tax revenues, thus putting you into a downward spiral.

The irresponsible policies of liberals has led us to this. There are no good solutions. It is better to do it now then do it later when it will be even worse off and kids who didn't even get us in this mess have to pick up the pieces and try to make something of a broken America.

If you depend on the government for your job. You should get another one.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   12:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: go65 (#34)

Isn't Rick Perry New world order. I've heard that. I'm not sure about him. If he is a globalist I don't want him to win.

As of now I plan to vote for Ron Paul. I wish it was Rand though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   12:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#33)

Only if you buy that twisted argument.

I'm not twisting anything. I'm taking the simple meaning of words.

Tell me where it says to pay your taxes and let government do anything it wants to you. Hint. It doesn't.

Whose face is on this coin. It is Caesars. Give to Caesar what is Caesars.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   12:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Whose face is on this coin.

Who's face is on your money?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   12:17:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#35)

The irresponsible policies of liberals has led us to this.

Nope. The policies of Bush and the GOP led us to this by running up deficits in the early 2000's, drastically increasing spending during an expansion, and doubling our defense budget while wasting more than a trillion dollars in needless overseas adventures. And of course there's the decision by the Republicans and Allen Greenspan to let an unfettered CDS market develop without any oversight.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   12:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#1)

I don't think the "TEA" party has anything to do with it. This is a decades old phenomena but the article describes an interesting "low." is all. If I can find a suitable graphic to post about the phenomena I shall ping you.

I think the American People are discouraged anymore about those that are elected; everyone hears the sage argument, it is better to elect a seasoned politician (an incumbent) than a freshman. So, the publick discontent was actually before the "TEA" party AND the discontent with the established status quo has produced many new congressional members thus the old sage position is not valid in these political times.

The phenomena is actually good for America. We need a breath of fresh aire eliminating the political posturing that has everyone in trouble.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   12:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone, go65 (#5)

So you think 50 percent tax rate on some people is ok?

I do. The earlier US government standards for the absurdly wealthy (some CEOs make hundreds of million a year in salary, bonuses and other perks such as stock options and preferred benefits); this imbalance of wealth while the America middle class is being PUSHED into poverty is destroying America.

Simultaneously, those same corporations that receive BILLIONS in corporate welfare and do not owe a dime in taxes should be removed from any future direct subsidies.

So, my perspective is that methods of solution take on various options and plans; but it can't be performed in any meaningful way until America reduces its budgets on all government levels.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   12:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: buckeroo (#0)

•A CNN/Opinion Research poll shows just 14% of voters approve of Congress's job performance, while 84% disapprove -- both records.

And despite the dreary numbers, 90% of all incumbents are re-elected by the tard-pods.

damned lobbyists.

Are THE only constituencies paid ANY attention whatsoever in DC. Oh, they, the AARP and Unions (I know I know - THEY are lobbyists as well.)

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   13:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mininggold (#29)

Illegal immigration greatly benefits those artificial entities that have the same rights as individual citizens to free speech, called corporations.

You really are a Dem Tawking Point sponge, aren't you?

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   13:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone, go65 (#3)

So you like the status quo and large deficits.

He's a Dim-liberal, isn't he?

SLASH.

SPENDING.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   13:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: go65 (#2)

Tea party, who's approval rating is down to 18%

What's the "approval rating" for "FREE STUFF"??

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   13:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Some people already pay more then 50 percent. When you add in state and local taxes, medicare, medicaid, socialist security, and sales taxes.

True.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   13:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: go65 (#39)

Then you must really hate the Kenyan, as he has seen fit to continue every one of those policies and then some.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-14   13:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#13)

If you want to add those taxes in then you have to accept that all Americans and even illegal immigrants pay taxes - are you willing to do that?

Almost 50% of America pays ZERO taxes.

Would you care to refute THAT??

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   13:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#13)

even illegal immigrants pay taxes

Firstly, it's "Illegal Invaders"; Secondly, WTH shouldn't Illegal Invaders or migrant workers pay taxes on earned income?? What are we? Saps??

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   13:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Liberator (#43) (Edited)

You really are a Dem Tawking Point sponge, aren't you?

You need to tell us why do you hate the actions of the founders who fostered a revolution against the practices of the world's largest corporation of it's time. You and your ilk even stole the name of one of the major events demonstrating it.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-14   13:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#48)

Almost 50% of America pays ZERO taxes.

Do you have a source for that claim? I've heard arguments that half of all Americans pay no federal income taxes, but they still pay state/local/property/sales/payroll taxes.

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   13:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: go65, Lieberator (#51)

Do you have a source for that claim? I've heard arguments that half of all Americans pay no federal income taxes, but they still pay state/local/property/sales/payroll taxes.

Don't hold your breath. Libbie's long on platitudes, short on facts.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-14   13:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Liberator (#48)

Almost 50% of America pays ZERO taxes.

Would you care to refute THAT??

Sure. Anyone who buys something pays taxes - sales taxes are obvious. Excise taxes on every gallon of gas sold is collected by the federal government, and most of the price of cigarette is tax - just to get you started.

If you believe that all taxes paid by an employer are embedded in the price of a product or service, then your "untaxed 50%" are paying even more in taxes.

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lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   13:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Liberator (#49)

What are we? Saps??

Yep, but not for the reasons YOU think.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-14   13:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: go65 (#51)

Do you have a source for that claim? I've heard arguments that half of all Americans pay no federal income taxes, but they still pay state/local/property/sales/payroll taxes.

You have heard of and discovered the same sources I have...so don't play dumb.

High probability:

1) State taxes are NOT paid either

2) Property taxes written off

3) "Payroll"?? Lol, really?? How many of THOSE folks would you place in that category?

4) My assertion remains more or less the same:

Almost 50% of America pays ZERO taxes.

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Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   14:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#55) (Edited)

You have heard of and discovered the same sources I have...so don't play dumb.

.

My sources say your claim is false:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/americans-paying-no-taxes/

According to the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, it is true that 38 percent of "tax units" — which can be singles, couples, or families — are projected to have zero or negative income tax liability in 2009. About 60 percent of these households make $20,000 per year or less.

However, being exempt from income tax does not mean you’re exempt from federal taxes. Everyone who works is liable for payroll taxes, contributions to Medicare and Social Security that come out of every paycheck. There are also excise taxes on some goods and services, most notably the 18.4 cents per gallon tax on gasoline. The Congressional Budget Office found that earners in the lowest quintile, where most of those with no income tax liability fall, shouldered 4.3 percent of the payroll tax burden in 2005 and 11.1 percent of the excise taxes. Their effective tax rate (which is calculated by dividing taxes paid by total income) in those categories, according to the CBO, was in fact significantly higher than the rate of the top quintile, although that top one-fifth of the population had a much higher effective tax rate for individual and corporate income taxes.

And

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf- 1105567323.html?x=0

The vast majority of people who escape federal income taxes still pay other taxes, including federal payroll taxes that fund Social Security and Medicare, and excise taxes on gasoline, aviation, alcohol and cigarettes. Many also pay state or local taxes on sales, income and property.

If you want to complain though about things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, which result in a negative tax liability for the working poor, I suggest you take it up with the Republicans. Keep in mind that when Reagan expanded the EITC in 1986 he called it "“the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”

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go65  posted on  2011-08-14   16:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: go65 (#56)

Thanks for an honest challenge and furnishing back up - despite our difference in opinion. The near 50%" numbers have been cited by several sources. I've seen anywhere from 40% to 48%, but the point doesn't change.

If you want to complain though about things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, which result in a negative tax liability for the working poor, I suggest you take it up with the Republicans. Keep in mind that when Reagan expanded the EITC in 1986 he called it "“the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”

HA! "Complain" about what?? Yes. back in 1986 it WUZ rare, fine legislation from Congress. A Congress that was Democrat dominated as well.

But since you want to go back into the future, let me also remind you that 1986 was before Congress and Poppy Bush and Sonny Bush and Bubba allowed China was allowed to undercut America's manufacturers with slave labor and sabotage the US's economy, wasn't it?

That was before Poppy, Sonny, and Bubba raided SS and American taxpayer revenue to fund THREE fake international wars...no, make that FOUR fake wars. Plus countless extracurricular spending BS.

That was before fedgov became a Leviathan as their drones and teachers unions were promised taxpayer-financed mega-golden parachutes and lottery-like bennies.

That was before the Parasite Class was given a license to sit on their fat azzes for generations...

That was before Unemployment Insurance became a TWO-YEAR vacation instead of "safety net."

That was before 40 million illegal invaders were subsidized by the American taxpayer.

I can do this ALL day, 65er.

This is about YOU and YOUR socialist goob vampires sucking the lifeblood out of the Producers.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   16:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Liberator (#57) (Edited)

That was before Poppy, Sonny, and Bubba raided SS and American taxpayer revenue to fund THREE fake international wars...no, make that FOUR fake wars

They didn't have to raid SS, they were already entitled to use it by legislation signed by Reagan.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-14   16:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: buckeroo (#0)

A CNN/Opinion Research poll shows just 14% of voters approve of Congress's job performance, while 84% disapprove -- both records.

Well, if Harry Reid would stop being so obstructionist and tabling bills sent to him by the House maybe this wouldn't be the case.


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jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-14   17:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mininggold (#58)

They didn't have to raid SS, they were already entitled to use it by legislation signed by Reagan.

You mean they were entitled to STEAL it without refreshing the reserves?

News to me.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   17:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Liberator (#60)

You mean they were entitled to STEAL it without refreshing the reserves?

There are no reserves or trust fund and there never has been. This is nothing more than an Orwellian fiction.

Social Security has always been a pay as you go system that transfer money from working people to retired people.

It's not more than a Ponzi scheme.


This small group of terrorists [Tea Party members] have made it impossible to spend any money. -- Mike Doyle (D-PA)

jwpegler  posted on  2011-08-14   17:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: jwpegler, mininggold (#61)

There are no reserves or trust fund and there never has been. This is nothing more than an Orwellian fiction.

Social Security has always been a pay as you go system that transfer money from working people to retired people.

It's not more than a Ponzi scheme.

Thannks, JW.

I suspected as much, though was hoping there was a backup plan.

We're at the point of presuming NOTHING is how and what the fedgov has represented then or especially at the present. 0bama seems to be playing the next to last last round of Musical Chairs. The NEXT GOP Adminstration will be blamed for EVERYTHING.

Btw, who actually believe there's an appreciable amount gold at Fort Knox?

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   17:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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