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Title: UN Climate Report Fails to Capture Arctic Ice Thinning Reality: MIT
Source: IBT
URL Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/197 ... tic-predictions-inaccurate.htm
Published: Aug 14, 2011
Author: staff
Post Date: 2011-08-14 09:36:35 by buckeroo
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The United Nations' most recent global climate report "fails to capture trends in Arctic sea-ice thinning and drift, and in some cases substantially underestimates these trends," says a new research from MIT.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, released in 2007, forecasts an ice-free Arctic summer by the year 2100.

However, the Arctic sea ice may be thinning four times faster than predicted, according to Pierre Rampal and his research team of MIT'S Department of Earth, Atmosphere, and Planetary Sciences (EAPS).

The research team's findings will be published in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans.

After comparing IPCC models with actual data, Rampal and his collaborators concluded that the forecasts were significantly off. IPCC models focused on changes in temperature, which are one way to lose or gain ice. However, Rampal said that the report underestimates mechanical forces that contributed to ice-melting.

Mechanical forces like wind or ocean currents batter the ice causing it to break up. Ice in small pieces behave differently than ice in one large mass and are more susceptible to thinning due to temperature changes.

Wind and currents also play a significant role in winter, when they can cause "drastic effects" on the ice's shape and movement, said Rampal.

Since the Arctic Ocean's winter ice-cover has grown thinner over the years, it breaks up more easily under the influence of winds and currents. This leads to even more ice break up in the summer. The study states that smaller pieces of ice are more likely to escape from the Arctic basin and move to warmer waters in the south where the ice would melt, which would mean more Arctic ice thinning.

On the other hand, large cracks in winter's ice cover help create new ice, since the extremely cold air in contact with the liquid ocean promotes refreezing.

Because "everything is coupled" in these intricate feedback loops, "it's hard to predict the future of Arctic sea ice," Rampal says.

Rampal believes that it is necessary to improve the accuracy of the Arctic ice thinning predictions by considering mechanical forces and other ice phenomena that have taken a back seat in IPCC models.

Rampal is working on a project with researchers at MIT and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory to combine models and observations which will produce a more accurate picture of what's happening.

Rampal and his research team aren't the only ones contemplating the fate of the Arctic ice.

Scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) published a study in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, stating that Arctic ice under current climate conditions is as likely to expand as it is to contract for periods of up to about a decade.

Computer simulations showed that the level of Arctic sea ice loss was not wholly the result of warming, but ran hand in hand with climate variability.

"One of the results that surprised us all was the number of computer simulations that indicated a temporary halt to the loss of the ice. The computer simulations suggest that we could see a 10-year period of stable ice or even a slight increase in the extent of the ice. Even though the observed ice loss has accelerated over the last decade, the fate of sea ice over the next decade depends not only on human activity but also on climate variability that cannot be predicted," said NCAR scientist Jennifer Kay, the lead author.

Despite the thinning of Arctic ice getting a short reprieve in the next decade, even Kay admitted that the long term trend did not bode well.

"When you start looking at longer-term trends, 50 or 60 years, there's no escaping the loss of ice in the summer," Kay said.

Studies show that ice in the Arctic has shrunk by about a third since 1979. Arctic ice cover hit a new monthly record low, this July.

Scientists have warned that Arctic summer ice could soon be a thing of the past.

IPCC predicts that this could happen by 2100. But MIT researchers seem to disagree, saying that it could be sooner. It is still uncertain when we might see an Arctic summer devoid of ice.

The most important thing to do is to start "with the interventions even earlier. Now," Rajendra Pachauri, IPCC chair, said in an interview reported by The New York Times.

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

By 2013.

No big deal.

Happens every 25 million years or so....;}

Like when radioactive Xenon, Iodine, and Cesium appears...

20 000 years, this'll be like a bad dream....8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-14   9:50:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#0)

"When you start looking at longer-term trends, 50 or 60 years, there's no escaping the loss of ice in the summer,"

Warmer weather causes ice to melt...who knew?

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-14   9:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Thunderbird (#2)

It is the rate of increase about the shrinkage [the loss of ice is increasing from summer to summer] that is being discussed.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   10:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mcgowanjm (#1)

Hilarious!

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   10:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#4)

Hilarious!

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-14   10:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#0)

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, released in 2007, forecasts an ice-free Arctic summer by the year 2100.

It's caused by those nasty capitalists and their nasty pollution spewing industries.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-14   10:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#3)

It is the rate of increase about the shrinkage [the loss of ice is increasing from summer to summer] that is being discussed.

There may be some place in the Arctic region where this is happening but not where I am. This summer is even colder than last. Already going into the 30s in the AM. There will not be any "shrinkage" this year; quite the opposite.

eskimo  posted on  2011-08-14   11:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mininggold (#6)

I think in part, CO2 plays a significant role but not necessarily because of nasty pollution spewing industries; I think the case can be made that the total aggregate amount of CO2 is increasing directly because of the explosion of human population around the world.

It is unquestionable that modern methods of agricultural farming, ranching and so forth have lead to that same population explosion. That is to say, eating more healthily while using modern methods and techniques that permit many to enjoy a better quality of life while eating more plentifully has exacerbated the issue. Today, we live longer while increasing the population base is the point of increasing CO2; it is no coincidence to observe either as it occurred right about the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.

But I don't think modern industry or even human population is entirely to blame for the phenomena, though; lots of natural events occur beyond any control of human activities.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   11:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold (#6)

Did you know your computer uses electricity? Did you know that to generate electricity it usually pollutes?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-14   11:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: eskimo (#7)

There will not be any "shrinkage" this year; quite the opposite.

According to the propeller-heads at MIT, its not the overall size but the thickness that matters.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-14   12:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Did you know your computer uses electricity? Did you know that to generate electricity it usually pollutes?

Mine runs on chipmunk power. All it takes is a few seed to keep the chipmunks happy.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-14   12:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Thunderbird (#10)

According to the propeller-heads at MIT, its not the overall size but the thickness that matters.

LOL! OK then. I'll keep checking to see how thick it gets.

eskimo  posted on  2011-08-14   12:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: eskimo (#7)

There will not be any "shrinkage" this year; quite the opposite.

That could true for your own iceberg, eskimo but what-ever-you do, don't worry! International consortiums are already planning to open the Northwest Passage to save both you and your pet, seal.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   12:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold, Alvin (#11)

Mine runs on chipmunk power...

....With whatever overflow that's available channeled directly into your two or three brain cells.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-14   12:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#13)

That could true for your own iceberg, eskimo but what-ever-you do, don't worry! International consortiums are already planning to open the Northwest Passage to save both you and your pet, seal.

I give you the reality of personal observation and you respond with some silly fiction. Does it not concern you that deriving your concept of reality from works of fiction will make you look foolish?

eskimo  posted on  2011-08-14   12:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#14)

....With whatever overflow that's available channeled directly into your two or three brain cells.

I guess you are really a fortune teller.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-14   12:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: eskimo (#15)

August 3, 2011

Arctic sea ice at record low for July

Arctic sea ice extent averaged for July 2011 reached the lowest level for the month in the 1979 to 2011 satellite record, even though the pace of ice loss slowed substantially during the last two weeks of July. Shipping routes in the Arctic have less ice than usual for this time of year, and new data indicate that more of the Arctic's store of its oldest ice disappeared.

Click on the link for pictures and further detail. If the clicking doesn't work, here is the hard link: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ The fiction is all about your own sense of reality.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   13:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: eskimo (#15)

And, here is something that might catch your eye:

Canada "too small" to develop Northwest Passage shipping, diplomat says

August 8, 2011

Canada will lose out to Russia's Arctic shipping routes because it is too small to finance the infrastructure, France's ambassador for the polar regions said Monday.

Melting polar ice will make Canada's Northwest Passage more accessible in the next decades, but Canada does not seem interested in exploiting it for shipping, said Michel Rocard, who recently returned from a tour of the Arctic aboard the Canadian icebreaker Amundsen.

"I have the impression that Canada has given up on the competition to attract a large part of the traffic in 25 or 30 years," Rocard said.

The former French prime minister said Canada is "too small to finance itself the infrastructure" needed to spur commercial shipping through its Northwest Passage — a shorter route between European and Asian markets than the Suez and Panama canals. In contrast, Rocard said, Russia is an "Arctic force" with several icebreakers, including four new nuclear-powered ones.

Rob Huebert, a professor in circumpolar relations at the University of Calgary, said it's not a question of being "too small" but rather one of political will and economics determining how fast Canada moves on developing transpolar trade.

"We still haven't really made up our minds if we want international shipping coming though our waterways," Huebert said. "Because there's still ice there's not the economic argument for transpolar shipping."

Huebert said shipping companies that transit through the Panama Canal or around the tip of South America still can't be convinced to take the northern route because it requires an icebreaker escort and the shipping season is shorter.

He added there is no "concentrated effort" to chart Canada's Arctic waterways to reflect recent changes in sea ice, making it dangerous in some cases for vessels to travel through.

U.S. researchers have said global warming could leave the region ice-free by 2030.

Michael Byers, an expert in international law and the Arctic at the University of British Columbia, said the Northwest Passage will "almost certainly" be open in September and October for vessels of any kind, not just icebreakers, because the sea ice is growing weaker.

"The 'deepwater route' from Lancaster Sound through Barrow Strait . . . has the depth and width to easily accommodate supertankers and other supersized vessels," Byers told Postmedia News in an email.

However, Byers said, opening up to transpolar shipping raises some difficult questions on how Canada will protect against oil spills or criminal activity — while its sovereignty over the waterway is still a matter of dispute.

"Foreign shipping companies want world class navigation aids, charts, search and rescue, ports of refuge, policing and icebreaker assistance. If Canada builds an 'Arctic Gateway' to the world through these kinds of investments, foreign companies and governments will quickly become more accepting of Canadian sovereignty," Byers said.

Rocard said that Russia's Arctic passage along the Siberian coast is less winding and has fewer islands than Canada's Northwest Passage, but it is a bit longer. And while Resolute Bay in Canada's far north has a mere 280 inhabitants, Russia's northernmost port cities of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk are home to 300,000 and 350,000 people, respectively.

You copy the hard link: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Canada+small+develop+Northwest+Passage+shipping+diplomat+says/5224606/story.html

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   13:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: eskimo (#15)

buckeroo: That could true for your own iceberg, eskimo but what-ever-you do, don't worry! International consortiums are already planning to open the Northwest Passage to save both you and your pet, seal.

The above is intended to add some levity into the discussion and it dramitcally suggests the truth, pal. So, what is your rebuttal.... let us take a peek:

eskimo: I give you the reality of personal observation and you respond with some silly fiction. Does it not concern you that deriving your concept of reality from works of fiction will make you look foolish?

I just gave you two posts with references and links from substantial scientific and newspaper sources that suggest you don't know your ass from a hole in the ice.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   13:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#18)

U.S. researchers have said global warming could leave the region ice-free by 2030.

LOL! Hell, with the latest cooling trend here, I could just as well guess that an ice age is coming. All the silly guesses predicting a myriad of climate scenarios decades out in time are not reality; they are stories of fiction based of someone's imagination, nothing more.

eskimo  posted on  2011-08-14   13:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: eskimo (#20)

LOL!

I am impressed with your ability to read anything that is meaningful. Here, allow me repeat EXACTLY what was below your scripted quote in the ACTUAL article presented:

Michael Byers, an expert in international law and the Arctic at the University of British Columbia, said the Northwest Passage will "almost certainly" be open in September and October for vessels of any kind, not just icebreakers, because the sea ice is growing weaker.

"The 'deepwater route' from Lancaster Sound through Barrow Strait . . . has the depth and width to easily accommodate supertankers and other supersized vessels," Byers told Postmedia News in an email.

However, Byers said, opening up to transpolar shipping raises some difficult questions on how Canada will protect against oil spills or criminal activity — while its sovereignty over the waterway is still a matter of dispute.

"Foreign shipping companies want world class navigation aids, charts, search and rescue, ports of refuge, policing and icebreaker assistance. If Canada builds an 'Arctic Gateway' to the world through these kinds of investments, foreign companies and governments will quickly become more accepting of Canadian sovereignty," Byers said.

Rocard said that Russia's Arctic passage along the Siberian coast is less winding and has fewer islands than Canada's Northwest Passage, but it is a bit longer. And while Resolute Bay in Canada's far north has a mere 280 inhabitants, Russia's northernmost port cities of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk are home to 300,000 and 350,000 people, respectively.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   13:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#19)

I just gave you two posts with references and links from substantial scientific and newspaper sources that suggest you don't know your ass from a hole in the ice.

LOL! I have been observing the reality for nearly 3/4 of a century. You have been reading the guesses of others that span the spectrum of climate possibilities from a planet covered in ice to a planet burning up and you tell me I do not know what is real.

eskimo  posted on  2011-08-14   14:11:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#21)

I am impressed with your ability to read anything that is meaningful. Here, allow me repeat EXACTLY what was below your scripted quote in the ACTUAL article presented:

LOL! What, in hell, do you find meaningful in a collection of fictional suppositions and a lot of political trivia. You need to get a grip on reality.

eskimo  posted on  2011-08-14   14:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: eskimo (#22)

LOL!

Since it is ALL humorous to you, please tell us about the Alaskan Glaciers undergoing RECENT calving phenomena. As an example: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/dramatic-video-glacier-calving-in-alaska-ice-shelf-in-antarctica/2011/08/10/gIQAHPSt6I_blog.html

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-14   14:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#24)

Since it is ALL humorous to you, please tell us about the Alaskan Glaciers undergoing RECENT calving phenomena. As an example: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/dramatic-video-glacier-calving-in-alaska-ice-shelf-in-antarctica/2011/08/10/gIQAHPSt6I_blog.html

You really do not get it, do you. You seem to think reality is given to you by those who write stories. They are giving you their interpretation of reality. Go see it for yourself. Ask the old folk who have seen more of the past and can tell you that much of what causes you fear has happened before. I guess the young can be easily talked into fearing what they have not yet experienced by those who profit by doing so. Perhaps when you get older you too will laugh about the scary tales that were used to frighten the young.

eskimo  posted on  2011-08-14   14:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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