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Title: Ron Paul Rails Against Rick Santorum: ‘We Just Plain Don’t Mind Our Own Business!’
Source: Mediaite.com
URL Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rep-ron- ... in-dont-mind-our-own-business/
Published: Aug 12, 2011
Author: Mediaite.com
Post Date: 2011-08-12 01:18:40 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 64868
Comments: 85

The debate began with the two most similar candidates– Minnesotans Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Rep. Michele Bachmann– pulling no punches in disparaging each other’s records. It wouldn’t take long for the two most different candidates to have at it, and the foreign policy conversation between. Rep. Ron Paul and Rick Santorum delivered just as much as the experience one among the Minnesotans.

Rep. Paul brought his vintage A-game to the debate on foreign policy tonight, attacking America’s foreign policy on Iran and arguing that they were entirely justified in wanting nuclear weapons. Arguing that the USSR had nuclear weapons and “they were the greatest danger in our history,” he concluded it made no sense to stop the Iranians, who were not a threat. Oh, and by the way, “that’s why we don’t have trade relations with Cuba,” he added as an aside. “It’s about time we start talking to Cuba and stop these wars that are 30-40 years old.”

At this, Santorum shot up, interrupting Herman Cain’s question to respond as the author of the anti-Iranian bill that riled up Rep. Paul so much. “Iran is not Iceland,” he argued, noting that “Iran has killed more American men and women in uniform than the Iraqis [sic] or Afghans have.” He also added that Iran “is at war with us,” which gave Rep. Paul a comeback opening. “We started it in 1953… we installed the Shah, and the blowback came in 1979… it’s been going on because we just plain don’t mind our own business,” he shouted, to cheers.

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#4. To: Brian S (#0)

Rep. Paul brought his vintage A-game to the debate on foreign policy tonight, attacking America’s foreign policy on Iran and arguing that they were entirely justified in wanting nuclear weapons.

This is a misrepresentation of what Dr. Paul actually said. He didn't say the Iranians were justified in wanting nuclear weapons, he said the US wasn't justified in stopping them. There is a big difference.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-12   9:19:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Thunderbird (#4)

...he said the US wasn't justified in stopping them...

He seems to have missed the part where we haven't.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   10:20:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: harrowup (#8)

Dr. Paul was arguing against US sanctions..or at least Santorum thought he was.

My question is whether Dr. Paul thinks the US has ANY role at all in global security?

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-12   10:34:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Thunderbird (#9)

My question is whether Dr. Paul thinks the US has ANY role at all in global security?

Only when we are directly threatened or attacked.

go65  posted on  2011-08-12   10:40:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: go65 (#11)

He's dead on balls wrong about Bin Lden though...

war  posted on  2011-08-12   10:42:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#12)

Hey, war

Would you do me a favor and pass on a comment from me to "go"? I am surprised, given the tone and tenor of his posts, to see him saying positive things about RP.

I'd do it myself, but he has me on filter . . .

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-08-12   11:13:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Get Outta Dodge!, go65 (#18)

Would you do me a favor and pass on a comment from me to "go"? I am surprised, given the tone and tenor of his posts, to see him saying positive things about RP.

Really? I believe go65 has stated he has voted for RP in the past.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-12   11:20:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mininggold, Get Outta Dodge! (#20)

Really? I believe go65 has stated he has voted for RP in the past.

Not only voted for him, but contributed to his 2008 presidential campaign. I donated to him before he raised his first $500k.

I do think he's wrong about how to respond to the current economic conditions, but he was correct in flagging the need to reign the deficit "before" the 2008 crash. One of the biggest problems we have now is that we ran big deficits in the 2000's when the economy was growing and we should have been running surpluses. The net result is that we didn't have the financial flexibility to deal with the 2008 crisis that other countries had (e.g. Canada, Germany).

I do think implementing Paul's approach "now" of massively cutting spending would send us into another depression.

Dodge - i'm taking you off filter.

go65  posted on  2011-08-12   11:23:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: go65, mininggold, war (#21)

Really? I believe go65 has stated he has voted for RP in the past.

Not only voted for him, but contributed to his 2008 presidential campaign. I donated to him before he raised his first $500k.

I do think he's wrong about how to respond to the current economic conditions, but he was correct in flagging the need to reign the deficit "before" the 2008 crash. One of the biggest problems we have now is that we ran big deficits in the 2000's when the economy was growing and we should have been running surpluses. The net result is that we didn't have the financial flexibility to deal with the 2008 crisis that other countries had (e.g. Canada, Germany).

I do think implementing Paul's approach "now" of massively cutting spending would send us into another depression.

Everyone has a basic political philosophy.

Of course, I can only judge yours by what I've seen you post - so I may be way off base. But I would never have imagined you would support RP's political philosophy of smaller, Constitutional government. I don't think, for instance, that RP would ever find himself supporting something like Obamacare - but I'm pretty sure you do. And if that's the case, that's a pretty big "except for."

So I find this "revelation" interesting.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-08-12   13:46:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#39)

But I would never have imagined you would support RP's political philosophy of smaller, Constitutional government. I don't think, for instance, that RP would ever find himself supporting something like Obamacare - but I'm pretty sure you do. And if that's the case, that's a pretty big "except for."

I didn't and still don't support Obamacare. As I've stated numerous times, I think the individual mandate is unconstitutional, and I think it's a terrible solution to the challenge of reigning in health care costs. I do however support a single-payer solution simply because it's the cheapest, most efficient means of providing health insurance to the nation's citizens.

I'm not an ideologue, I support what works based on available evidence. I note that every country with a AAA rating has a national health insurance program. I note that countries with national health insurance systems pay less than we do and get better care with better metrics.

I like a lot of what Ron Paul has to say with respect to foreign policy. I disagree with him a lot on domestic policy.

go65  posted on  2011-08-12   13:56:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: go65 (#40)

I caught some of Pills Limbaugh's first hour today on my drive to and from lunch. He unabashedly criticized Ron Paul and his kook wing of the Pubbie party and the media for giving Paul so much air time during the debate because it makes the Pubbie party look bad in Pills' opinion. He claims Romney won the debate hands down.

I don't watch the political theatrical shows very often and I didn't bother with last night's FWIW.

I've been a Ron Paul fan for years now, warts and all, and like you I contributed to his last presidential campaign. I even bought his book in 2008 which he autographed for me in a Louisville book store along with hundreds of others.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-08-12   14:39:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#57. To: Fred Mertz (#44)

He claims Romney won the debate hands down.

Limbaugh backed Romney in 2008 as well.

go65  posted on  2011-08-12 17:26:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Fred Mertz (#44) (Edited)

He claims Romney won the debate hands down.

I hate to say it, but Newt Gingrich won the debate.

He was both calm, cool, and collected and also sharp as a tack. He adopted some of Ron Paul's position (audit the Fed) and also said that we need to completely rethink our involvement in the Middle East. Most importantly, he correctly characterized the new debt super committee as the dumbest idea that Washington has come up with in his lifetime.

I don't think that he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination, but he was the only standout on the stage last night.

I thought Pawlenty looked like an idiot and Huntsman looked nervous.

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