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Title: Welcome Nolu Chan
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Published: Aug 11, 2011
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2011-08-11 17:46:58 by A K A Stone
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Views: 418051
Comments: 437

Welcome Nolu Chan.

Hey be nice everybody.

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#33. To: harrowup (#29)

Keep dreaming phony.

right tough guy,

calcon  posted on  2011-08-11   22:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#28)

I appreciate the elucidation of your warning, Admiral. Send my regards to the "yukon" legal defense team. You fine folks were awesome for the FINEST LAFFS on the Internet in history.

every time yukon starts with someone at LP they immediately throw the gay stuff in his face, even the ladies, now the other members of the gay geezer posse are getting the same treatment.

looks like their "EPIC FAIL" in defending yukie honor has forever tainted him as a gay CT, "i wuz hacked" has now become internet lore

calcon  posted on  2011-08-11   23:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: calcon, A K A Stone (#33)

One of the problems is an email I have:

Rabs Rabs"

To: buckeroo@ireland.com

A K A Stone banned me and deleted the thread. My guess is he finally realized I wasn't you after claiming as much and was so humiliated that he is trying to scrub it all away and hopes people forget. Whatever. Knew Goldi was dumb as a box of rocks, surprised Stone is too. Won't be back most likely.

I just don't understand the reasons for the torment from channel managers about bearing from independent posters.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-11   23:15:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#35)

Knew Goldi was dumb as a box of rocks, surprised Stone is too.

Not me.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-08-11   23:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#35)

A K A Stone banned me and deleted the thread. My guess is he finally realized I wasn't you after claiming as much ...

... "he finally realized I wasn't you" ...

ROTFLMAO ...

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   0:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Gatlin (#37)

What exactly are you saying, Major?

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-12   0:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#38)

What exactly are you saying, Major?

I am "exactly saying" ... that I am, "ROTFLMAO!"

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   0:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#39)

Are you the channel manager? I found it interesting that Goldie-Lox banned rabs12 as well as Stone performed here on LF.

He is a distinct personality; an original poster, too. I suppose you don't understand the repression of free will other than gloating over the ass of "yukon."

It happens.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-12   0:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#40)

He is a distinct personality ...

... "distinct personality" ...

Yep, a “distinct personality” with a totality of qualities and traits (as of character or behavior) that are peculiar to the “distinct personality” of a specific person.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   0:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Gatlin (#41)

HEHEHE... I suppose many of us suggest the same qualitative viewpoints; after all, that is why your LP Kloughns claim I made an impact on LP. Yet, I never did anything other than LAFF my belly into rip-roaring laffter over your own shenanigans.

You and your LP channel are a complete boor anymore. Still, Sunday is coming soon. Don't forget it.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-12   0:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: buckeroo (#42)

I made an impact on LP.

The empirical evidence supports that you had a negative and statistically insignificant effect on LP.

Still, Sunday is coming soon.

Your continuing vague, and unfulfilled threats to rationalize in your mind some malicious action goes hand in hand with the rest of the personal accomplishments you seek in your life … empty fulfillment.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   1:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Gatlin (#41)

I want to add one more footnote about my comments before I dispense with posting towards you into the future altogether. I hope you don't mind, Major Tator. You are a nice fella, correct?

The blaming continuously addressed on LP about myself and many others pissed me off. What happened was a break-down of LP management even IF anyone understood what was happening in the background. The LP reactions were hilarious, though. I can't thank you enough for a lifetime of LAFFS.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-12   1:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#44)

What happened was a break-down of LP management even IF anyone understood what was happening in the background.

What happened was that you insisted on the repetition of uneventful and inconsequential attacks that resulted in abject failure to fulfill your purpose … the classic definition of insanity.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   1:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: harrowup (#3)

I'm looking foreward to his posts. I remember him under the screen name Columbo at Anti-Kooking / Clown Posse as one of that site's more genuinely investagative members and not just one of its hacker / trouble makers.

I particularly liked his expose of Jim Rob's involvement with human sexual trafficing sites before founding FreeRepublic that he did for the kloughns as Columbo.

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The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!

Coral Snake  posted on  2011-08-12   1:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Coral Snake (#46)

His 'expose' was as false as the all the other crap the clone pussies 'created'.

Nothing but maggots and shit bugs in a hamster cage.

What an impact they made...just as effective at closing down FR as the resident sociopaths have been in destroying LP and LF.

None of the 'TOS' sites mean squat in the political landscape. FR as one of the first almost made a difference and then reverted to nothing but a non-stop crusade for extreme right wing fundy bullshit. DU, lucianne are no different.

American Thinker is only slightly more boring than reading the obits.

The clone pussies were no different than the hooligans rioting except that the hooligans have an exit strategy. Clone pussies and other anti-forum trolls just want to knock out the status-quo and take over for 'libertarian' rule which is anarchy.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   7:46:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: harrowup (#10)

It will be a jolt but the world's bankers have got to take a bath and get it over with. Dribble, dribble is only dragging out the drag.

August is a weird month.

People are desperate to be in vacation mode.

As this is the same month that historically nation states mobilize and attack....

We're in the eye of the hurricane.

""France’s economy, the second largest in the euro zone after Germany, recorded no growth in the second quarter, heightening concerns about the nation’s ability to achieve its deficit-reduction plan.

And keep it's AAA rating from a hopelessly corrupt ratings agency....bizarro world....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-12   8:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: mcgowanjm (#48)

....bizarro world....;}

If only. Same old, same old BS; mosquitos aren't the only pests in August.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   8:33:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: harrowup (#49)

If only. Same old, same old BS; mosquitos aren't the only pests in August.

Careful...Late Summer only seems to be slow.

And it's been too dry for mosquitos here....8D

My point was that August is a stealthy month.

Orion comes over the Horizon now.

And September brings the harvest....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-12   8:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mcgowanjm (#50)

And September brings the harvest....;}

Not for me; I put the corn in silage, cut the hay one last time in August and let the goats take over.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   8:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: harrowup (#51)

Not for me; I put the corn in silage, cut the hay one last time in August and let the goats take over.

Which only reinforces what I wrote.

You therefore live in a 'European Northern Type Area'.

Poland/Germany come to mind. Where War cannot begin before the harvest is in. You've got to be able to feed the troops and the war will be over by christmas....;}

August 1914...Barbara Tuchman...the Guns of August....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-12   8:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mcgowanjm (#52)

I understood the reference and just wanted to point out that harvest is as harvest does. Guns of August made an impession on me as well...that's why I take my vacations in February.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   9:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeroo (#42)

Yet, I never did anything other than LAFF my belly into rip-roaring laffter over your own shenanigans.

buckeroo: “I can at any time appear anywhere …
… within the Pinguinite forums; or ANYWHERE as I choose. I repeatedly created all kinds of monickers … I had over 100 handles or individual monickers … and still have a few benign or dormant ones that can't be second guessed. So, guess what? They can't find those monickers that are still there. It is funny to watch … I think it is all just too much fun. I just set the balls in motion in a chit-chat- channel. Man, I love the Internet! No one can stop me, anywhere even if they think I "hacked" a chit-chat channel."
"No one can stop me … No one can stop me … No one can stop me”

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   9:27:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Gatlin (#54)

"No one can stop me … No one can stop me … No one can stop me” ...

...says the ankle-biting black knight... rotflmaoda

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   9:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: harrowup (#55)

...says the ankle-biting black knight...

,,, who is obsessing over yukon so much that he is paranoid to the point that it is disrupting his ability to think clearly or function.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   9:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Gatlin (#56)

They all suffer from YDS.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   10:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: harrowup (#53)

that's why I take my vacations in February.

Funny...;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-12   10:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: harrowup, coral snake (#47)

[Harrowup #47] His 'expose' was as false as the all the other crap the clone pussies 'created'.

Nothing but maggots and shit bugs in a hamster cage.

I did not get involved until 4 months after Dung Beetle's original research exposé. The Farm Tours thread began on 02/16/2005 at 14:09 before I was a member of CP. The first substantive post about Jim Rob, Electronic Orchard and Farm Tours was #2 on 02/16/2005 at 14:16 by Dung Beetle:

JimGod put together web sites for something called "Farm Tours" which included--in fact consisted mostly of--a Filipino Bride service. It was quite a racket. You booked a tour, were guaranteed to meet some available "brides" and then you could decide to marry them on the spot--with Farm Tours help--or come home without a wife.

The guy who ran the tour had a Filipino wife, IIRC, and wrote up a testimonial about what good and obedient wives they made.

This "Farm Tour" site was listed alongside other mail bride and sex tour sites on other sites.

Dung Beetle proceeded to explore the subject in multiple posts. When I arrived at CP, I saw the thread, gathered the research of Dung Beetle, and posted it in a single post, with step by step explanations of how the information could be obtained, with links enabling any interested person to replicate the process and see for him or her self. That was on 06/10/2005 at 20:34. It is on pages 185 thru 196 (of 242) of my PDF copy of the CP thread.

My opening paragraph credited Dung Beetle for his original research.

Much of this is previously covered in a series of posts and the first post credit appears to go to Dung Beetle. However, it seemed somewhat difficult to follow, probably especially so for anyone unfamiliar with where the information was coming from or how it was being mined. I have attempted to put it together here in a single post and explain the process so the less computer savvy member or lurker can follow it clearly. It shows how a single mouse click on the Farm Tours home page may take you to a mail order bride site, and provides pictures of some of the prospective brides. They note that it is not uncommon to have a 20, 30, or even 40 year age gap. A 40-year age gap would have a 59- year old traveling to the Phillipines to visit a teenage Filipina he has never met, with marriage in mind because he is attracted by the quality of her mind. Or something like that.

Of course, I included pictures of several of the prospective brides. This elicited the following as the very next post:

ARGH
Posted 06/10/05 @ 20:52

To: Columbo

I am speechless. Thanks for the info. (Good grief, they are children!)

This was also covered in Coral Snake's Bites of the Week.

And the post after that:

DeanWormer
Posted 06/10/05 @ 20:53

They are kids.

Robinson worked for a pimping chickenhawk service for the scum of the West Coast.

Hey, Jimmy, you sick, perverted f***...karma will get you one day, and not before time.

F*** You.

And the post after that:

golfmann
Posted 06/10/05 @ 20:55

Good work...

You obviously condensed and captured the sleeze factor expertly.

The next:

ARGH
Posted 06/10/05 @ 20:57

The more I find out about him......

(Wish I could take back every dollar I gave him!)

And one more:

Columbo
Posted 06/10/05 @ 21:00

Who'll Break the Chain

(to Who'll Stop the Rain by CCR)

Scammers keep on coming, they're out to try their luck
From Baltimore to Fresno, just grifting for a buck.
Money keeps on pourin', a "woo-hoo" gets 'em hot
Bots, they dig down deeper, to fill up Jimmy's pot.

Pedophiles and perverts, have their sick-ass needs
Scumbags and assholes, they see the chance for greed
Rim Job writes the software, worth its weight in gold
Farm Tours tells the perverts, "We've got 'em twelve years old."

King of all the grifters, yeah Rim Job is the best
Tithing for salvation, to Scam-a-Patriot, West.
Money keeps on fallin', fallin' like the rain
And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll break the chain?

It was also covered by one of Coral Snake's Bites of the Week:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31939

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Title: Coral Snake's Bites of the Week 18 (FReeper harpies Supporting Scooter, Wantagate Continues, Douggie back on Ebay again and ClownPosse returns to the Bites Radar.)
Source: 00-Hotherp Reports
URL Source: http://none
Published: Aug 6, 2006
Author: Coral Snake
Post Date: 2006-08-06 22:45:33 by Coral Snake
Keywords: Wantagate, Perv Supporting Harpies, ClownPosse Returns
Views: 49
Comments: 7

Coral Snake's Bites of the Week 18 (FReeper harpies Supporting Scooter, Wantagate Continues, Douggie back on Ebay again and ClownPosse returns to the Bites Radar.)

This week's bites deal with a veriety of topics. First is the continuance of Wantagate thanks to Shrubya's refusal to release even the token settlement of the matter agreed to through two Federal courts. The second is the continuind support for the pervert Neo-Con "Scooter" libby by the harpies at FreeRepublic, The third is doug from Upland returning to eBay showing the probable failure of last month's SnookerThon despite the green snookerbar and fake fireworks having shown up. Finally clownPosse returns to the Bites after their religation of Columbo/nolu chan to the ranks of "kookdom". As always Remember the KEY and enjoy.

* * *

Bite Five --------------> Clown Posse

Clown Posse is getting back into the Bites radar with their recent placing in the "kook" catagory one of their best investegators, Columbo, known on other forums as nolu chan for exposing a probable case of ClownPosse libel. While at ClownPosse Columbo/nolu chan produced two of the three best investegations against FreeRepublic that the site was involved with, The exposure of "Never Never Land" as a dource of the inflation of FreeRepublic's membership (which led to my own theory of "Never Never Land" accounts under the control of JimRob and the Admin Mods as a probable source of the "Liberal "ZOT/Kitty" posts that FreeRepublic uses to to direct FreeRepublic's flamwe fighting tendencies away from each other) and the Proud Patriots scam that went on in the Freeper Cantten threads until it was exposed. (Mojo/Dung Beetle was largely responsible for the third which involved JimRob's webmastering for a Phillipina sex trade outfit before starting FR.)

What happened in the case that led to this bite however was that Columbo nolu chan exposed a possible libel at ClownPosse involving the Sinkspur/Catholic Deakon thread and decided to leave the site because of it. In a most JimRobbish manner ClownPosse went on the attack and once back on line started to place nolu chan/Columbo in ranks with their version of "kookdom" with the rest of us. I for one would welcome nolu chan and his proven investigative abilities to any site I would start up. Sorry ClownPosse you lost one of your best posters by sticking to a libelous story and that is worth two white persian cats.

Harrowup apparently is critical as this threatened the marketplace.

The credit for the exposé must go to Dung Beetle who went on to found Sweetness & Light in 2005 and won the CPAC Blog of the Year award in 2009.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/sweetness_light_cpac_blog_of_t.html

January 26, 2009

Sweetness & Light CPAC blog of the year

Brian Schwarz and Thomas Lifson

Congratulations to Steve Gilbert of Sweetness & Light on being named CPAC's blog of the year. In a characteristically witty post, Steve discusses the awards ceremony to be held at CPAC's annual meeting in DC.

AT readers have known of Steve's amazing talents even before he started Sweetness & Light, as we had the honor of publishing his well-researched observations before he ventured out on his own. We regularly feature links to his outstanding work. Listeners to Rush Limbaugh have also become familiar with Steve's original insights via the show.

Steve Gilbert Receives the Conservative Blogger Award at CPAC 2009

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-12   15:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mcgowanjm (#58)

Funny...;}

I agree. Most people I know who have livestock never take a vacation.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-12   15:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: nolu chan, harrowup (#59)

ROTFL .....

Kick his butt.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-12   15:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: nolu chan, harrowup (#61)

Kick his butt.

But watch out for your foot. His butt is so big you could loose a foot up it.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-08-12   15:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: nolu chan (#59) (Edited)

Blah blah blah

You are still missing the fact that you never proved a damn thing and are also ignoring the fact that your pal Gilbert plagiarized absolutely everything he ever writes that is purported to be fact.

You never got over the fact that you just never made it in prime time and for good reason.

You're a joke; getting booted by the clone pussies for libel was the funniest yet for that bunch of maggots.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   15:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mininggold (#60)

Most people I know who have livestock never take a vacation.

Most people you know probably don't have more than two teeth and can't write, either.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   16:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: harrowup (#63)

You are still missing the fact that you never proved a damn thing and are also ignoring the fact that your pal Gilbert plagiarized absolutely everything he ever writes that is purported to be fact.

You never got over the fact that you just never made it in prime time and for good reason.

You're a joke; getting booted by the clone pussies for libel was the funniest yet for that bunch of maggots.

You are just so full of crap. No facts, no links, just crap. You are still trying to put 291 into a dot-decimal IPA quartet.

I guess you are just jealous of Steve.

I was not booted off anywhere for libel. CP was hosting the libel. I was not booted off CP. I was not booted off the Snitz site and was never a member of the vBulletin site.

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-12   18:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: harrowup, Skip Intro (#27)

[Harrowup #15] Charlie Chan's #3 Idiot son, no luck chuck tried once and lost badly.

[Harrowup #27] I made mincemeat of him once before so bring it on.

You forgot to provide the links to your imaginary grand achievement. Do you mean that time I turned the ThunderDome into the WhimperDome? (CU, 2006)

Or was it "291 is a legitimate IPa, within a domain VPN," your magic IPA? (LF, 2011)?

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-12   18:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: nolu chan (#66)

His negligence is all about having the need to milk his goats.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-12   18:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: nolu chan (#65)

I guess you are just jealous of Steve.

A plagiarist? I don't think so. You must have missed his infamous debate about assy grassy and haight tea em el where he stole a paper and changed the qualifiers. No, Stevie is nothing but a thief. Ask Corsi. Ask Radio-head. Hell, ask the N.I.H.

Who cares why you were expelled from every site you've ever infested.

...no links....

That is what makes you so special # 3; you think posting ten year old lies one more time people will believe your shit. Maggots and shit bugs will; not anyone who is legitimate.

That's what makes all this so funny. You spend thousands of hours 'documenting' lines of bullshit and pass it off as 'research' and 'investigative' journalism.

You and Steve and American Stinker wouldn't last two seconds in front of a jury.

You try to wiggle and roll but you've never hit a target in your life.

But, if you want people to keep laughing at you that's fine; you've found another spot where you'll be protected.

Good luck, dumbass.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   19:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: nolu chan, harrowup (#65)

You are just so full of crap. No facts, no links, just crap. You are still trying to put 291 into a dot-decimal IPA quartet.

the admiral always talks through his ass cause his mouth knows better,

calcon  posted on  2011-08-12   19:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: nolu chan (#66)

Do you mean that time I turned the ThunderDome into the WhimperDome? (CU, 2006)

You'll have to refresh my memory on that reference.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   19:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: calcon, nolu chan (#69)

"You are still trying to put 291 into a dot-decimal IPA quartet."

#3: Not my problem you're not smart enough to know how to do it. Guess your 'investigative' credentials aren't cleared for that.

the admiral always talks through his ass cause his mouth knows better...

I'm really surprised a hot shot analyst for The NSA doesn't know the code.

harrowup  posted on  2011-08-12   19:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: harrowup, calcon, nolu chan (#71)

I'm really surprised a hot shot analyst for The NSA doesn't know the code.

LOL .... IPv4 is till the prevalent method of routing. IPv6 is yet to take off.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-12   19:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: harrowup (#68)

A plagiarist? I don't think so. You must have missed his infamous debate about assy grassy and haight tea em el where he stole a paper and changed the qualifiers. No, Stevie is nothing but a thief. Ask Corsi. Ask Radio-head. Hell, ask the N.I.H.

Hell, I'm asking YOU. Post something you can back up with more than your hot air.

Corsi? You have got to be joking.

Who cares why you were expelled from every site you've ever infested.

You can't document that one any more than you can can hack my password. Post something you can back up with more than your hot air.

But, if you want people to keep laughing at you that's fine; you've found another spot where you'll be protected.

An invite was extended. Remember when an invite was extended from CU and I turned the ThunderDome into the WhimperDome? Let me help with your failing memory.

Is this what you call winning? Are you having a Charlie Sheen moment?

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=140302

Title: ProudPatriots.Org? Forget it.
Source: FR, CP, CU, LP, J-E-LL-O
URL Source: http://variousseebelow.com
Published: May 6, 2006
Author: Mercuria (commentary)

Post Date: 2006-05-06 02:24:20 by Mercuria
Views: 6
Comments: 271


Part 1: The FR Canteen / ProudPatriots.Org controversy

I'm making commentary here on the whole Canteen / ProudPatriots.Org controversy because I'm very much aware that many folks who frequent Free Republic and its Canteen may be unaware of ProudPatriots.Org's methods of dealing with people who ask simple questions about legal accountability, and also because I know FReepers are actively discouraged from visiting the site known as Clown Posse, and not just because of its rough-housing rhetoric against FR management or folks they deem "kooks". The "performance art" methods there are not my thing and admittedly CP and I have our ideological differences and past squabbles, just in case anyone didn't know about that. So discouraged is any FReeper in the know from even mentioning their existence that for all I know, there are still plenty of FReepers who don't even know about Clown Posse.

But despite all that, when the FR thread by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub entitled "Attacks on Active Duty FReepers from foreign based "forum"" was brought to the attention of LibertyPost, I read it and manually had to reposition my lower jaw back on my face.

Tonk had hinted that because Clown Posse had a foreign-based server, its pro-military support effort should be held in suspicion.

Knowing for a fact that particular measure was taken due to liability-laden threats by Jim Robinson and a couple of dirty tricks by FReepers (something Tonk didn't know and should have researched before he posted or just didn't care to mention), this really chapped my hide. Like them or not, one cannot dispute the support of CPers for the military and veterans, nor can one question their concerns about our servicepeople's aid and comfort. It was a stupid and thoughtless thing for Tonk to do, and I'm not sure what possessed him to think it would escape notice, especially after his across-the-forum bombardment of promotional ads for something called "ProudPatriots.Org".

He wound up here and at Clown Posse. And whereas the LP Antiwar Welcoming Committee gave him an expected cold shoulder, the pro-military folks at CP - pro-military, mind you - roasted him over a fire.

And when one examines that hog of a thread at CP (and really, you should), one discovers just why Tonk would stoop so low as to issue a sigalert of suspicion against their support of the troops.

You will not find a thread at FR with ProudPatriots in its title, but you will find a link or two or three in just about every Canteen thread, as well as under the Keywords there...because it turns out that ProudPatriots.Org is owned, operated, and managed by higher-level Canteen members, headed by HiJinx. (You want real names and stuff, go search them on your own, please, and make mental note without posting here. I know they are a matter of public record, but I don't want this thread turning into a Swiss cheese.) And the whole controversy is over the question of this organization's legal green-light to solicit donations from the public.

I couldn't possibly go over everything that was discussed, as it was a primary educational process for me on how to sort all that legal stuff out, but instead of my trying to explain it, you can start with the thread at Clown Posse.

To recap the threads from Part 1:

LP: Now is the time for all good men and women to show support for our service men and women. (Tonk's promotion of ProudPatriots.Org at LibertyPost.)

LP: Attacks on Active Duty FReepers from foreign based "forum" (Behind_the_Lines_in_CA's repost of the now-deleted FR thread that started the firestorm.)

CP: ProudPatriots.org & JimGod's Canteen...ANOTHER FREAKIN' SCAM EXPLOITING THE TROOPS? (Tonk's promotion of ProudPatriots.Org at Clown Posse and the Posse's investigation into ProudPatriots.Org.)

NOW...before anyone gets put off by the rhetoric of that last thread title, let me just say that the title and some of the language within is pretty tame in comparison to the public relations tactics of the man whom ProudPatriots.Org put in the public position of The Man With All The Answers...a certain txradioguy.

Which leads me to...


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Part 2: ProudPatriot.Org's PR Team

ProudPatriots.Org advertises in a comparatively low-key way on Free Republic. It mostly does so in FR's daily Canteen thread, wherein resides the officers of ProudPatriots with whom a visitor can schmooze. Since they don't make the fact that they are the owners and operators of ProudPatriots.Org a big matter of public record, they can engage in light conversation and graphics exchange without worrying unduly that anyone is going to ask them any difficult questions about ProudPatriots.Org. Besides, these Canteen operators who are also officers of PP.Org...some of them have been around for a very long time, so apparently Jim Robinson believes them to be worthy of unquestioning trust.

And that fact was never made more clear than when recent FReeper bannee divabetsyross, a frequenter of the Canteen and a well-known cheerleader for troop support and comfort for them, was given the bum's rush from Free Republic for asking questions provoked by Tonk's inexplicable cross-forum advertising of ProudPatriots.Org at LibertyPost and at Clown Posse and then his now-deleted thread he started at FR casting aspersions upon Clown Posse's support the troops campaign because of its website's foreign host.

So in the interests of giving the appearance of openness and candor and hopefully to hush up the more ignorant or less curious at sites where they had no power or clout to have the questions Memory-Holed, ProudPatriots.Org's president showed up here and at Clown Posse to attempt to explain his way out of issues such as confusing non-profit / not-for-profit statuses and expired licenses - issues directly touching on the legitimacy of his org to put out a public kitty-jar for collecting funds.

Unable or unwilling to provide coherent or relevant information exonerating PP.Org touching upon the problems within the organization regarding registration or provision of official documentation displaying his organization's legal right to solicit donations, he left for the sidelines and his organization apparently started passing talking points along to the next person to take up the baton in the race for the defense of PP.Org's integrity: txradioguy.

Txradioguy is a regular Canteener with whose identity I became acquainted just during this latest round of Canteen Hide-And-Seek, seeing as he came around to FR after I'd left. Txradioguy is also a beneficiary of ProudPatriots.Org's largesse because he is a member of the armed forces. You'd never, ever know because the man is so damned modest about it. He'd just as soon forget you even knew that because he doesn't want special treatment at all over it. And if I keep going in this vein, I'm going to have to call 911 for a paramedic to remove my tongue from my cheek.

But since PP.Org at this point can't conduct public relations on FR since it would raise embarrassing questions, txradioguy decided to move PR operations to a thread where he was already discussing the issue - a thread on a website called Conservative Underground, which is a site where txradioguy acts - up - as a Moderator.

And as one can with most posters who leave FR for a forum where they are able to express themselves more, shall we say, viscerally, you can really judge a guy or gal on how they act when they feel free to let it all hang out.

The problem with txradioguy is that when he went to hang it out in front of divabetsyross at Conservative Underground, he went to grab for it so he could wave it at her and he came up empty-handed. And when he invited folks to join in the profanity-laden fun, he had his head tossed around like a beachball and a 16-ton weight of fact dropped on him until the kindly Mods put txradioguy's thread out of txradioguy's and PP.Org's misery and killed it, then buried it.

ProudPatriots.Org's choice of sites upon which to perform attempted factual sleights-of-hand in the face of questioning is pretty revealing. Have a look around, self-proclaimed conservatives, and tell me if you can appreciate the concept of a site that aspires to be more vulgar, immature, and offensive than its counterpart. Consider that ProudPatriots.Org selected someone like txradioguy to pass along the message of its "legitimacy" and "openness" via lies, subterfuge, dodging, misdirection, insults, vulgarity, and non-clarity. Consider that when information appeared near the end of the CU thread that cast a great shadow of doubt on ProudPatriots.Org's legitimacy, the thread was flushed.

Good thing I saved it. Eighteen pages worth of invective, questions, tantrums, insults, evasions, deflections, and about as many characters as a particularly juicy episode of "I, Claudius".

PAGE 1: Txradioguy throws down the f**king gauntlet.
PAGE 2: Diva takes it up.
PAGE 3: Diva Does Dinkless.
PAGE 4: "Just sayin"...PP.Org could have a problem.
PAGE 5: Tx the Side-Stepping Insult Chronic.
PAGE 6: Here comes Currahee.
PAGE 7: Txradioguy - Non-Prophet.
PAGE 8: Tx vs the pig lord.
PAGE 9: DukeFame, CU Senior Member, weighs in.
PAGE 10: One GoesAround, Mercuria goes in.
PAGE 11: "CP Porn"; Misery loves company; LindaSoG shows moxie.
PAGE 12: Mercuria tries to Keep It Simple, Stupid.
PAGE 13: Enter Farish; LindaSoG; Tx's "facts" and "evidence".
PAGE 14: Facts so boring CU's members make sure we all know.
PAGE 15: Need some specs, Tx? LurkNoFurther arrived, remember her?
PAGE 16: Tx keeps playing The Black Knight.
PAGE 17: Nolu chan drops a 16-ton weight of fact on the thread.
PAGE 18: Ending...with a whimper.

It's now a matter of record that txradioguy acted, or so he claims, as a mouthpiece for ProudPatriots.Org, who was passing him talking points from the sidelines so the officers wouldn't have to publicly reinforce, once again, their ignorance of matters directly affecting their organization.

He was their message runner, their approved megaphone.

So you can see for yourself exactly how ProudPatriots.Org feels about people who ask them questions that would be quickly and willingly answered by any legitimate organization.

ProudPatriots.Org obviously does not feel itself accountable to anyone for anything they do, and its representatives, official or not, have displayed an appalling contempt of ethics by responding to requests for legal accountability with silence or insults or outright lies.


Mercuria  posted on  2006-05-06   2:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace  


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Part 3: What's it to ya, Merc?

If this were simply a matter of just another back-alley oneupsmanship squabble, it wouldn't be worth commenting upon because that kind of activity seems to be practically de rigueur at Free Republic among the favored people who are awfully competitive with their fellow FReepers for spotlights and back-patting. And I suspect that this jealousy over the success of CP's Walter Reed Hospital project (q.v. at Clown Posse via their search feature) pulling attention from PP.Org's activities and advertising in the Canteen was a contributing factor in Tonk's post sniping about CP's foreign servers. The Canteen is kind of a primadonna group - they share the spotlight with no-one if they can work it that way.

But those who frequent the Canteen on an irregular basis or are not privy to what goes on for the most part behind the scenes or just hears via word-of-mouth what a great organization ProudPatriots.Org is don't know the whole story, and it's very obvious ProudPatriots.Org realizes if they did, they might not open their wallets and therefore deprive PP.Org of the bragging rights and recognition and overly-competitive one-upping of fellow FReepers that at times seem more important to it than its stated mission.

And if you don't unquestioningly get behind PP and at about hip level, you are accused of being anti-American and unsupportive of the troops and txradioguy and the other PP.Org cronies will lie like a Persian rug about those they perceives to be their "enemies" - namely, those who question their motives and their absolute refusal to respond in a professional manner to questions and requests about their organization.

I have friends at FR and here who are not quite as cynical as I am through personal experience there, and many of them are kind-hearted, supportive of the troops, and encouraging of activism at FR. Those friends at FR may not be inclined to visit the information-rich sites on their own, and they would not know of the foul-mouthed, shrill, shilling, and badrapping shenanigans of txradioguy against a former Canteener at CU while he poses as the bad-ass, rough-hewn, but still gentlemanly soldier willing to simper to the females for the benefit of the FReepers at FR. One wonders how the "ladies" at the Canteen and ProudPatriots.Org who know of his disgusting behavior and titter behind their hands at his queen-of-the-trailer-trash antics would accept a similar and much more deserved verbal thrashing over their repulsive enabling of this creature.

He's a paranoid, lying fruitcake who if he weren't wearing a uniform and he weren't one of "their own", the folks at PP would bitch-slap him for the contemptible coward he is for this phony bravado that collapses under the weight of a few simple questions and sends him into a screaming, abusive fit. God help us all if he is ever sent to the front lines.

As it is, the Canteeners of ProudPatriots.Org are allowing him to make a bloody fool of himself because damn it, at least he's [i]their[/i] spineless wonder. And his stonewalling and sheer stupidity and his wall of lame deflection buys them time to create the legitimacy their organization, it would seem, apparently doesn't have right now - even though their electronic fund jars are still out and operating.

They figure to deflect criticism by putting forward a guy in uniform to defend them. The uniform may get automatic respect, but the man wearing it still has to earn it. There are too many servicepeople of honor and integrity and courage out there who possess these attributes both in military and civilian life for anyone to waste their energies defending such as txradioguy - a snippy, bitchy, bile-belching douchebag on two legs who believes and probably will ever believe that his time in uniform excuses his stupid, childish, spiteful behavior and his Saddam-style bunker-hunkering.

Consider from my posting history here and elsewhere that I'm not readily reduced to ridicule, but there are those rare exceptions where I find a really worthy candidate who deserves it and needs it.

And his ProudPatriot benefactors-slash-Canteen comrades are no better, trying to minimize if not outright bury their problems. The better to exploit newbies who may not remember the Snow Bunny controversy (q.v.), the USO name use controversy, and friends who are blissfully unaware of the problems behind their org's legality, my dear.

And when HiJinx came here to spin the issue, I saw him being greeted by folks with whom I'm friendly and I am mad as hell to think that he was using their friendship in order to commend him to others here as a good and honest guy in the midst of this maelstrom of double-talk and deceit from ProudPatriots.Org and its enablers. Same sh!t, different Bunny.

And despite the fact that folks here may be uptight with how prominently Clown Posse is featured here, all I can say is no matter what one thinks of the folks there, they were instrumental in getting the really pertinent truth behind ProudPatriots.Org's current status to the public and did a lot to draw out the poisons lurking underneath the deceptively shimmering surface of the swamp that the Canteen became, that ProudPatriots.Org is, and that both entities probably always were.

And I'm presenting links to it here because it benefits everyone to have as much information behind this group of FReepers as possible because PP.Org's / FR Canteen's representatives actually had the nerve to come to LibertyPost with an advertising pitch, hoping to appeal to those friends they knew to be here and those folks who didn't know what the real score is with this organization that is allowed to flourish and increase and gain the most visible, lauded, and protected status on FR. The discussion of ProudPatriots.Org's legal status is not allowed there, and anyone who asks even innocent questions can expect to be targeted by the Canteen as "anti-military" or "anti-FReeper".

I do not want my friends and acquaintances here or at FR to be completely disarmed by the smiling facade shown to them by these people. There are too many wonderful organizations and groups that do so much for the troops and veterans while still remaining gracious to those who want assurances from them before giving, and I would hate for their kind and susceptible hearts to move them to generosity because a crowd of deceptive, ill-mannered, and abusive FReepers know how to put on a proper face to manipulate their unwitting friends and allies.

Donate at your own risk.

Faithfully submitted...

Mercuria


Mercuria  posted on  2006-05-06   2:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace  

nolu chan  posted on  2011-08-12   19:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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