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I'm looking foreward to his posts. I remember him under the screen name Columbo at Anti-Kooking / Clown Posse as one of that site's more genuinely investagative members and not just one of its hacker / trouble makers.
I particularly liked his expose of Jim Rob's involvement with human sexual trafficing sites before founding FreeRepublic that he did for the kloughns as Columbo.
His 'expose' was as false as the all the other crap the clone pussies 'created'.
Nothing but maggots and shit bugs in a hamster cage.
What an impact they made...just as effective at closing down FR as the resident sociopaths have been in destroying LP and LF.
None of the 'TOS' sites mean squat in the political landscape. FR as one of the first almost made a difference and then reverted to nothing but a non-stop crusade for extreme right wing fundy bullshit. DU, lucianne are no different.
American Thinker is only slightly more boring than reading the obits.
The clone pussies were no different than the hooligans rioting except that the hooligans have an exit strategy. Clone pussies and other anti-forum trolls just want to knock out the status-quo and take over for 'libertarian' rule which is anarchy.
[Harrowup #47] His 'expose' was as false as the all the other crap the clone pussies 'created'.
Nothing but maggots and shit bugs in a hamster cage.
I did not get involved until 4 months after Dung Beetle's original research exposé. The Farm Tours thread began on 02/16/2005 at 14:09 before I was a member of CP. The first substantive post about Jim Rob, Electronic Orchard and Farm Tours was #2 on 02/16/2005 at 14:16 by Dung Beetle:
JimGod put together web sites for something called "Farm Tours" which included--in fact consisted mostly of--a Filipino Bride service. It was quite a racket. You booked a tour, were guaranteed to meet some available "brides" and then you could decide to marry them on the spot--with Farm Tours help--or come home without a wife.
The guy who ran the tour had a Filipino wife, IIRC, and wrote up a testimonial about what good and obedient wives they made.
This "Farm Tour" site was listed alongside other mail bride and sex tour sites on other sites.
Dung Beetle proceeded to explore the subject in multiple posts. When I arrived at CP, I saw the thread, gathered the research of Dung Beetle, and posted it in a single post, with step by step explanations of how the information could be obtained, with links enabling any interested person to replicate the process and see for him or her self. That was on 06/10/2005 at 20:34. It is on pages 185 thru 196 (of 242) of my PDF copy of the CP thread.
My opening paragraph credited Dung Beetle for his original research.
Much of this is previously covered in a series of posts and the first post credit appears to go to Dung Beetle. However, it seemed somewhat difficult to follow, probably especially so for anyone unfamiliar with where the information was coming from or how it was being mined. I have attempted to put it together here in a single post and explain the process so the less computer savvy member or lurker can follow it clearly. It shows how a single mouse click on the Farm Tours home page may take you to a mail order bride site, and provides pictures of some of the prospective brides. They note that it is not uncommon to have a 20, 30, or even 40 year age gap. A 40-year age gap would have a 59- year old traveling to the Phillipines to visit a teenage Filipina he has never met, with marriage in mind because he is attracted by the quality of her mind. Or something like that.
Of course, I included pictures of several of the prospective brides. This elicited the following as the very next post:
ARGH Posted 06/10/05 @ 20:52
To: Columbo
I am speechless. Thanks for the info. (Good grief, they are children!)
This was also covered in Coral Snake's Bites of the Week.
And the post after that:
DeanWormer Posted 06/10/05 @ 20:53
They are kids.
Robinson worked for a pimping chickenhawk service for the scum of the West Coast.
Hey, Jimmy, you sick, perverted f***...karma will get you one day, and not before time.
F*** You.
And the post after that:
golfmann Posted 06/10/05 @ 20:55
Good work...
You obviously condensed and captured the sleeze factor expertly.
The next:
ARGH Posted 06/10/05 @ 20:57
The more I find out about him......
(Wish I could take back every dollar I gave him!)
And one more:
Columbo Posted 06/10/05 @ 21:00
Who'll Break the Chain
(to Who'll Stop the Rain by CCR)
Scammers keep on coming, they're out to try their luck From Baltimore to Fresno, just grifting for a buck. Money keeps on pourin', a "woo-hoo" gets 'em hot Bots, they dig down deeper, to fill up Jimmy's pot.
Pedophiles and perverts, have their sick-ass needs Scumbags and assholes, they see the chance for greed Rim Job writes the software, worth its weight in gold Farm Tours tells the perverts, "We've got 'em twelve years old."
King of all the grifters, yeah Rim Job is the best Tithing for salvation, to Scam-a-Patriot, West. Money keeps on fallin', fallin' like the rain And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll break the chain?
It was also covered by one of Coral Snake's Bites of the Week:
Title: Coral Snake's Bites of the Week 18 (FReeper harpies Supporting Scooter, Wantagate Continues, Douggie back on Ebay again and ClownPosse returns to the Bites Radar.) Source: 00-Hotherp Reports URL Source: http://none Published: Aug 6, 2006 Author: Coral Snake Post Date: 2006-08-06 22:45:33 by Coral Snake Keywords: Wantagate, Perv Supporting Harpies, ClownPosse Returns Views: 49 Comments: 7
Coral Snake's Bites of the Week 18 (FReeper harpies Supporting Scooter, Wantagate Continues, Douggie back on Ebay again and ClownPosse returns to the Bites Radar.)
This week's bites deal with a veriety of topics. First is the continuance of Wantagate thanks to Shrubya's refusal to release even the token settlement of the matter agreed to through two Federal courts. The second is the continuind support for the pervert Neo-Con "Scooter" libby by the harpies at FreeRepublic, The third is doug from Upland returning to eBay showing the probable failure of last month's SnookerThon despite the green snookerbar and fake fireworks having shown up. Finally clownPosse returns to the Bites after their religation of Columbo/nolu chan to the ranks of "kookdom". As always Remember the KEY and enjoy.
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Bite Five --------------> Clown Posse
Clown Posse is getting back into the Bites radar with their recent placing in the "kook" catagory one of their best investegators, Columbo, known on other forums as nolu chan for exposing a probable case of ClownPosse libel. While at ClownPosse Columbo/nolu chan produced two of the three best investegations against FreeRepublic that the site was involved with, The exposure of "Never Never Land" as a dource of the inflation of FreeRepublic's membership (which led to my own theory of "Never Never Land" accounts under the control of JimRob and the Admin Mods as a probable source of the "Liberal "ZOT/Kitty" posts that FreeRepublic uses to to direct FreeRepublic's flamwe fighting tendencies away from each other) and the Proud Patriots scam that went on in the Freeper Cantten threads until it was exposed. (Mojo/Dung Beetle was largely responsible for the third which involved JimRob's webmastering for a Phillipina sex trade outfit before starting FR.)
What happened in the case that led to this bite however was that Columbo nolu chan exposed a possible libel at ClownPosse involving the Sinkspur/Catholic Deakon thread and decided to leave the site because of it. In a most JimRobbish manner ClownPosse went on the attack and once back on line started to place nolu chan/Columbo in ranks with their version of "kookdom" with the rest of us. I for one would welcome nolu chan and his proven investigative abilities to any site I would start up. Sorry ClownPosse you lost one of your best posters by sticking to a libelous story and that is worth two white persian cats.
Harrowup apparently is critical as this threatened the marketplace.
The credit for the exposé must go to Dung Beetle who went on to found Sweetness & Light in 2005 and won the CPAC Blog of the Year award in 2009.
Congratulations to Steve Gilbert of Sweetness & Light on being named CPAC's blog of the year. In a characteristically witty post, Steve discusses the awards ceremony to be held at CPAC's annual meeting in DC.
AT readers have known of Steve's amazing talents even before he started Sweetness & Light, as we had the honor of publishing his well-researched observations before he ventured out on his own. We regularly feature links to his outstanding work. Listeners to Rush Limbaugh have also become familiar with Steve's original insights via the show.
Steve Gilbert Receives the Conservative Blogger Award at CPAC 2009
You are still missing the fact that you never proved a damn thing and are also ignoring the fact that your pal Gilbert plagiarized absolutely everything he ever writes that is purported to be fact.
You never got over the fact that you just never made it in prime time and for good reason.
You're a joke; getting booted by the clone pussies for libel was the funniest yet for that bunch of maggots.
You are still missing the fact that you never proved a damn thing and are also ignoring the fact that your pal Gilbert plagiarized absolutely everything he ever writes that is purported to be fact.
You never got over the fact that you just never made it in prime time and for good reason.
You're a joke; getting booted by the clone pussies for libel was the funniest yet for that bunch of maggots.
You are just so full of crap. No facts, no links, just crap. You are still trying to put 291 into a dot-decimal IPA quartet.
I guess you are just jealous of Steve.
I was not booted off anywhere for libel. CP was hosting the libel. I was not booted off CP. I was not booted off the Snitz site and was never a member of the vBulletin site.
A plagiarist? I don't think so. You must have missed his infamous debate about assy grassy and haight tea em el where he stole a paper and changed the qualifiers. No, Stevie is nothing but a thief. Ask Corsi. Ask Radio-head. Hell, ask the N.I.H.
Who cares why you were expelled from every site you've ever infested.
...no links....
That is what makes you so special # 3; you think posting ten year old lies one more time people will believe your shit. Maggots and shit bugs will; not anyone who is legitimate.
That's what makes all this so funny. You spend thousands of hours 'documenting' lines of bullshit and pass it off as 'research' and 'investigative' journalism.
You and Steve and American Stinker wouldn't last two seconds in front of a jury.
You try to wiggle and roll but you've never hit a target in your life.
But, if you want people to keep laughing at you that's fine; you've found another spot where you'll be protected.
A plagiarist? I don't think so. You must have missed his infamous debate about assy grassy and haight tea em el where he stole a paper and changed the qualifiers. No, Stevie is nothing but a thief. Ask Corsi. Ask Radio-head. Hell, ask the N.I.H.
Hell, I'm asking YOU. Post something you can back up with more than your hot air.
Corsi? You have got to be joking.
Who cares why you were expelled from every site you've ever infested.
You can't document that one any more than you can can hack my password. Post something you can back up with more than your hot air.
But, if you want people to keep laughing at you that's fine; you've found another spot where you'll be protected.
An invite was extended. Remember when an invite was extended from CU and I turned the ThunderDome into the WhimperDome? Let me help with your failing memory.
Is this what you call winning? Are you having a Charlie Sheen moment?
Post Date:2006-05-06 02:24:20 by Mercuria Views:6 Comments:271
Part 1: The FR Canteen / ProudPatriots.Org controversy
I'm making commentary here on the whole Canteen / ProudPatriots.Org controversy because I'm very much aware that many folks who frequent Free Republic and its Canteen may be unaware of ProudPatriots.Org's methods of dealing with people who ask simple questions about legal accountability, and also because I know FReepers are actively discouraged from visiting the site known as Clown Posse, and not just because of its rough-housing rhetoric against FR management or folks they deem "kooks". The "performance art" methods there are not my thing and admittedly CP and I have our ideological differences and past squabbles, just in case anyone didn't know about that. So discouraged is any FReeper in the know from even mentioning their existence that for all I know, there are still plenty of FReepers who don't even know about Clown Posse.
But despite all that, when the FR thread by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub entitled "Attacks on Active Duty FReepers from foreign based "forum"" was brought to the attention of LibertyPost, I read it and manually had to reposition my lower jaw back on my face.
Tonk had hinted that because Clown Posse had a foreign-based server, its pro-military support effort should be held in suspicion.
Knowing for a fact that particular measure was taken due to liability-laden threats by Jim Robinson and a couple of dirty tricks by FReepers (something Tonk didn't know and should have researched before he posted or just didn't care to mention), this really chapped my hide. Like them or not, one cannot dispute the support of CPers for the military and veterans, nor can one question their concerns about our servicepeople's aid and comfort. It was a stupid and thoughtless thing for Tonk to do, and I'm not sure what possessed him to think it would escape notice, especially after his across-the-forum bombardment of promotional ads for something called "ProudPatriots.Org".
And when one examines that hog of a thread at CP (and really, you should), one discovers just why Tonk would stoop so low as to issue a sigalert of suspicion against their support of the troops.
You will not find a thread at FR with ProudPatriots in its title, but you will find a link or two or three in just about every Canteen thread, as well as under the Keywords there...because it turns out that ProudPatriots.Org is owned, operated, and managed by higher-level Canteen members, headed by HiJinx. (You want real names and stuff, go search them on your own, please, and make mental note without posting here. I know they are a matter of public record, but I don't want this thread turning into a Swiss cheese.) And the whole controversy is over the question of this organization's legal green-light to solicit donations from the public.
I couldn't possibly go over everything that was discussed, as it was a primary educational process for me on how to sort all that legal stuff out, but instead of my trying to explain it, you can start with the thread at Clown Posse.
NOW...before anyone gets put off by the rhetoric of that last thread title, let me just say that the title and some of the language within is pretty tame in comparison to the public relations tactics of the man whom ProudPatriots.Org put in the public position of The Man With All The Answers...a certain txradioguy.
ProudPatriots.Org advertises in a comparatively low-key way on Free Republic. It mostly does so in FR's daily Canteen thread, wherein resides the officers of ProudPatriots with whom a visitor can schmooze. Since they don't make the fact that they are the owners and operators of ProudPatriots.Org a big matter of public record, they can engage in light conversation and graphics exchange without worrying unduly that anyone is going to ask them any difficult questions about ProudPatriots.Org. Besides, these Canteen operators who are also officers of PP.Org...some of them have been around for a very long time, so apparently Jim Robinson believes them to be worthy of unquestioning trust.
And that fact was never made more clear than when recent FReeper bannee divabetsyross, a frequenter of the Canteen and a well-known cheerleader for troop support and comfort for them, was given the bum's rush from Free Republic for asking questions provoked by Tonk's inexplicable cross-forum advertising of ProudPatriots.Org at LibertyPost and at Clown Posse and then his now-deleted thread he started at FR casting aspersions upon Clown Posse's support the troops campaign because of its website's foreign host.
So in the interests of giving the appearance of openness and candor and hopefully to hush up the more ignorant or less curious at sites where they had no power or clout to have the questions Memory-Holed, ProudPatriots.Org's president showed up here and at Clown Posse to attempt to explain his way out of issues such as confusing non-profit / not-for-profit statuses and expired licenses - issues directly touching on the legitimacy of his org to put out a public kitty-jar for collecting funds.
Unable or unwilling to provide coherent or relevant information exonerating PP.Org touching upon the problems within the organization regarding registration or provision of official documentation displaying his organization's legal right to solicit donations, he left for the sidelines and his organization apparently started passing talking points along to the next person to take up the baton in the race for the defense of PP.Org's integrity: txradioguy.
Txradioguy is a regular Canteener with whose identity I became acquainted just during this latest round of Canteen Hide-And-Seek, seeing as he came around to FR after I'd left. Txradioguy is also a beneficiary of ProudPatriots.Org's largesse because he is a member of the armed forces. You'd never, ever know because the man is so damned modest about it. He'd just as soon forget you even knew that because he doesn't want special treatment at all over it. And if I keep going in this vein, I'm going to have to call 911 for a paramedic to remove my tongue from my cheek.
But since PP.Org at this point can't conduct public relations on FR since it would raise embarrassing questions, txradioguy decided to move PR operations to a thread where he was already discussing the issue - a thread on a website called Conservative Underground, which is a site where txradioguy acts - up - as a Moderator.
And as one can with most posters who leave FR for a forum where they are able to express themselves more, shall we say, viscerally, you can really judge a guy or gal on how they act when they feel free to let it all hang out.
The problem with txradioguy is that when he went to hang it out in front of divabetsyross at Conservative Underground, he went to grab for it so he could wave it at her and he came up empty-handed. And when he invited folks to join in the profanity-laden fun, he had his head tossed around like a beachball and a 16-ton weight of fact dropped on him until the kindly Mods put txradioguy's thread out of txradioguy's and PP.Org's misery and killed it, then buried it.
ProudPatriots.Org's choice of sites upon which to perform attempted factual sleights-of-hand in the face of questioning is pretty revealing. Have a look around, self-proclaimed conservatives, and tell me if you can appreciate the concept of a site that aspires to be more vulgar, immature, and offensive than its counterpart. Consider that ProudPatriots.Org selected someone like txradioguy to pass along the message of its "legitimacy" and "openness" via lies, subterfuge, dodging, misdirection, insults, vulgarity, and non-clarity. Consider that when information appeared near the end of the CU thread that cast a great shadow of doubt on ProudPatriots.Org's legitimacy, the thread was flushed.
Good thing I saved it. Eighteen pages worth of invective, questions, tantrums, insults, evasions, deflections, and about as many characters as a particularly juicy episode of "I, Claudius".
PAGE 1: Txradioguy throws down the f**king gauntlet. PAGE 2: Diva takes it up. PAGE 3: Diva Does Dinkless. PAGE 4: "Just sayin"...PP.Org could have a problem. PAGE 5: Tx the Side-Stepping Insult Chronic. PAGE 6: Here comes Currahee. PAGE 7: Txradioguy - Non-Prophet. PAGE 8: Tx vs the pig lord. PAGE 9: DukeFame, CU Senior Member, weighs in. PAGE 10: One GoesAround, Mercuria goes in. PAGE 11: "CP Porn"; Misery loves company; LindaSoG shows moxie. PAGE 12: Mercuria tries to Keep It Simple, Stupid. PAGE 13: Enter Farish; LindaSoG; Tx's "facts" and "evidence". PAGE 14: Facts so boring CU's members make sure we all know. PAGE 15: Need some specs, Tx? LurkNoFurther arrived, remember her? PAGE 16: Tx keeps playing The Black Knight. PAGE 17: Nolu chan drops a 16-ton weight of fact on the thread. PAGE 18: Ending...with a whimper.
It's now a matter of record that txradioguy acted, or so he claims, as a mouthpiece for ProudPatriots.Org, who was passing him talking points from the sidelines so the officers wouldn't have to publicly reinforce, once again, their ignorance of matters directly affecting their organization.
He was their message runner, their approved megaphone.
So you can see for yourself exactly how ProudPatriots.Org feels about people who ask them questions that would be quickly and willingly answered by any legitimate organization.
ProudPatriots.Org obviously does not feel itself accountable to anyone for anything they do, and its representatives, official or not, have displayed an appalling contempt of ethics by responding to requests for legal accountability with silence or insults or outright lies.
Mercuria posted on 2006-05-06 2:25:16 ET ReplyTrace
If this were simply a matter of just another back-alley oneupsmanship squabble, it wouldn't be worth commenting upon because that kind of activity seems to be practically de rigueur at Free Republic among the favored people who are awfully competitive with their fellow FReepers for spotlights and back-patting. And I suspect that this jealousy over the success of CP's Walter Reed Hospital project (q.v. at Clown Posse via their search feature) pulling attention from PP.Org's activities and advertising in the Canteen was a contributing factor in Tonk's post sniping about CP's foreign servers. The Canteen is kind of a primadonna group - they share the spotlight with no-one if they can work it that way.
But those who frequent the Canteen on an irregular basis or are not privy to what goes on for the most part behind the scenes or just hears via word-of-mouth what a great organization ProudPatriots.Org is don't know the whole story, and it's very obvious ProudPatriots.Org realizes if they did, they might not open their wallets and therefore deprive PP.Org of the bragging rights and recognition and overly-competitive one-upping of fellow FReepers that at times seem more important to it than its stated mission.
And if you don't unquestioningly get behind PP and at about hip level, you are accused of being anti-American and unsupportive of the troops and txradioguy and the other PP.Org cronies will lie like a Persian rug about those they perceives to be their "enemies" - namely, those who question their motives and their absolute refusal to respond in a professional manner to questions and requests about their organization.
I have friends at FR and here who are not quite as cynical as I am through personal experience there, and many of them are kind-hearted, supportive of the troops, and encouraging of activism at FR. Those friends at FR may not be inclined to visit the information-rich sites on their own, and they would not know of the foul-mouthed, shrill, shilling, and badrapping shenanigans of txradioguy against a former Canteener at CU while he poses as the bad-ass, rough-hewn, but still gentlemanly soldier willing to simper to the females for the benefit of the FReepers at FR. One wonders how the "ladies" at the Canteen and ProudPatriots.Org who know of his disgusting behavior and titter behind their hands at his queen-of-the-trailer-trash antics would accept a similar and much more deserved verbal thrashing over their repulsive enabling of this creature.
He's a paranoid, lying fruitcake who if he weren't wearing a uniform and he weren't one of "their own", the folks at PP would bitch-slap him for the contemptible coward he is for this phony bravado that collapses under the weight of a few simple questions and sends him into a screaming, abusive fit. God help us all if he is ever sent to the front lines.
As it is, the Canteeners of ProudPatriots.Org are allowing him to make a bloody fool of himself because damn it, at least he's [i]their[/i] spineless wonder. And his stonewalling and sheer stupidity and his wall of lame deflection buys them time to create the legitimacy their organization, it would seem, apparently doesn't have right now - even though their electronic fund jars are still out and operating.
They figure to deflect criticism by putting forward a guy in uniform to defend them. The uniform may get automatic respect, but the man wearing it still has to earn it. There are too many servicepeople of honor and integrity and courage out there who possess these attributes both in military and civilian life for anyone to waste their energies defending such as txradioguy - a snippy, bitchy, bile-belching douchebag on two legs who believes and probably will ever believe that his time in uniform excuses his stupid, childish, spiteful behavior and his Saddam-style bunker-hunkering.
Consider from my posting history here and elsewhere that I'm not readily reduced to ridicule, but there are those rare exceptions where I find a really worthy candidate who deserves it and needs it.
And his ProudPatriot benefactors-slash-Canteen comrades are no better, trying to minimize if not outright bury their problems. The better to exploit newbies who may not remember the Snow Bunny controversy (q.v.), the USO name use controversy, and friends who are blissfully unaware of the problems behind their org's legality, my dear.
And when HiJinx came here to spin the issue, I saw him being greeted by folks with whom I'm friendly and I am mad as hell to think that he was using their friendship in order to commend him to others here as a good and honest guy in the midst of this maelstrom of double-talk and deceit from ProudPatriots.Org and its enablers. Same sh!t, different Bunny.
And despite the fact that folks here may be uptight with how prominently Clown Posse is featured here, all I can say is no matter what one thinks of the folks there, they were instrumental in getting the really pertinent truth behind ProudPatriots.Org's current status to the public and did a lot to draw out the poisons lurking underneath the deceptively shimmering surface of the swamp that the Canteen became, that ProudPatriots.Org is, and that both entities probably always were.
And I'm presenting links to it here because it benefits everyone to have as much information behind this group of FReepers as possible because PP.Org's / FR Canteen's representatives actually had the nerve to come to LibertyPost with an advertising pitch, hoping to appeal to those friends they knew to be here and those folks who didn't know what the real score is with this organization that is allowed to flourish and increase and gain the most visible, lauded, and protected status on FR. The discussion of ProudPatriots.Org's legal status is not allowed there, and anyone who asks even innocent questions can expect to be targeted by the Canteen as "anti-military" or "anti-FReeper".
I do not want my friends and acquaintances here or at FR to be completely disarmed by the smiling facade shown to them by these people. There are too many wonderful organizations and groups that do so much for the troops and veterans while still remaining gracious to those who want assurances from them before giving, and I would hate for their kind and susceptible hearts to move them to generosity because a crowd of deceptive, ill-mannered, and abusive FReepers know how to put on a proper face to manipulate their unwitting friends and allies.
Donate at your own risk.
Faithfully submitted...
Mercuria
Mercuria posted on 2006-05-06 2:26:05 ET ReplyTrace
Now, we all want the Admiral's brilliant thesis in his own words for a rebuttal; we can't have him leave in complete shame can we? Don't we love and cherish every post by harrowup?
Why, I hear by him he just makes everything up as he goes along in life: admiral, lawyer, goat herder .... so many areas of stuff.
"...we can't have him leave in complete shame can we? Don't we love and cherish every post by harrowup?"
I don't care how he leaves, it's the leaving part I like. And I'll remember how much I love and cherish him the next time I flush....&;-)
Bucky...Who's leaving? I said I'm done with this shit.
Murron...I don't think I ever heard of you before this brouhaha began and I think Mel came into a discussion and then you made a funny reference to "SILENCE. I KEEL YOU".
I did note that you had some history with Gatlin but have no idea what it was about.
I believe our first disagreement came about when you were advised by me that I was spoofing and you were being played which angered you. That was one of the goals of the spoof but the target was Bucky and it unnerved him to distraction and irrelevance after that.
I can understand why you would get annoyed, but if we have had any other previous dialogues in which you believe I insulted you, you'll have to tell me because I have no recollection of any meaningful dialogue with you prior to these events.
Just as I have no idea what relevance 'Mercuria' has to me. I don't think I've ever had a conversation with her and only know her by reference.
For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
For example there was a post by bucky up-thread that showed a purported private message from Gatlin to A K A Stone that I simply do not recall ever seeing and having seen it now can't perceive its relevance to me.
For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) [nc - sic] and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
As Admiral Harrowup wants his lying nonsense taken to a conclusion, I will do so.
I and the Admiral have no history of any interaction at Freedom4um, Free Republic, Freedom Underground, or The People's Forum. Zero, with the indirect exception of my TPF analyses of the nonsense posted on Liberty's Flame during the yukon incident.
That leaves Liberty Post where we did have a few exchanges. Admiral Harrowup made eight (8) posts addressed to me on three (3) threads. I made nine (9) posts addressed to harrowup on two threads.
"You're a joke; getting booted by the clone pussies for libel was the funniest yet for that bunch of maggots."
If I only post were I can't be hindered by facts, the Admiral must consider LP such a site as I have a rather lengthy posting history there, spanning about five (5) years.
I have repeatedly asked the lying sack of crap to present the evidence of where he made mincemeat of me, or where I lost badly to his sorry butt. I never happened. He can lie, and I can produce the whole posting history. It is all of seventeen (17) posts on LP, both sides of the exchange included. With the evidence smeared in his face, the Admiral can try to show where he made mincemeat of anyone. Before he wins any argument with anyone, he will have to make some point about something and back it up. While beating a dead horse, or a dead faux admiral, may be unseemly, this particular dead horse is full of gas. The gas escapes from his mouth, smells bad, and makes noise.
I was not booted from CP. I stopped posting on the Snitz site shortly before it had its plug pulled; immediately after I advised, by posting on the site, that they were hosting libel per se on the site about Dr. Brian Kopp. As usual, the Admiral has his non-facts backwards. I never registered with the replacement vBulletin site. It was quite impossible for me to have been booted.
It is time to start looking at the exchanges where the faux admiral says he made mincemeat of me.
Some introductory comment on military tribunals, which are separate and distinct from a military court-martial as any real admiral should know.
A military tribunal is a kind of military court designed to try members of enemy forces during wartime, operating outside the scope of conventional criminal and civil proceedings. The judges are military officers and fulfill the role of jurors. Military tribunals are distinct from courts-martial.
A military tribunal is an inquisitorial system based on charges brought by military authorities, prosecuted by a military authority, judged by military officers, and sentenced by military officers against a member of an adversarial force.
[snip]
Although such tribunals do not satisfy most protections and guarantees provided by the United States Bill of Rights, that has not stopped Presidents from using them, nor the U.S. Congress from authorizing them, as in the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
So, an inquisitorial system, outside the scope of conventional criminal and civil proceedings, designed to try members of enemy forces during wartime, which does not satisfy most protections and guarantees provided by the United States Bill of Rights, "is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails." So says Admiral harrowup.
JURIST Guest Columnist Brian J. Foley of Florida Coastal School of Law says that the less-than-rigorous procedural rules governing the tribunals and military commissions at Guantanamo Bay endanger us as surely as any terrorists...
The prevailing belief that the procedures at Guantanamo Bay (GTMO) protect us because they make it easy to keep “enemy combatants” locked away is misguided. When legal process is not rigorous and convictions are easy to win, the danger is not only to the accused. Public safety is compromised: under the existing rules, cursory investigations are sufficient for convictions. This is far too likely to lead to false convictions that will lull us into the sense that we’re reducing the threat of terrorism when we’re not.
It’s beyond argument that the rules the tribunals at GTMO use are weak and that, as an epistemological matter, we can’t trust their determinations. The “Combatant Status Review Tribunals (CSRT),” which decide whether a prisoner is an “enemy combatant,” use a low standard of proof -- a preponderance of the evidence, with a “rebuttable presumption” in favor of the government’s evidence. The government can use notoriously unreliable evidence: hearsay, evidence coerced out of prisoners, and “classified” evidence kept secret from the prisoner. Access to lawyers is forbidden, and only one of the military “judges” is required to have a law degree.
The “military commissions” that President Bush announced two months after 9/11 to try enemy combatants suspected of particular crimes are equally unreliable. Although there is a presumption of innocence and the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt and the prisoner can have a lawyer (with restrictions), only one of the “judges” has to be a lawyer, and convictions can be based on hearsay, coerced testimony, and secret evidence.
One purpose of having rigorous rules of evidence, high burdens of proof, and trained counsel to help an accused mount a defense is to improve public safety. Rigorous rules put the government to its proofs when it carries out its crime-fighting and national security duties. Rigorous rules protect us all by helping ensure that the government is truly ferreting out crime and not just putting on a show.
[snip]
Admiral harrowup asserts such a procedure "is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails."
Admiral, is this the one thread, of three, where you claim to have reduced me to mincement?
Would you prefer to move on to the next one in chronological order?
An exchange between nolu chan and fitz [41, 42, 47, 48, 51] and the thread article are included for context. The admiral seems very sensitive about context. The admiral replied to #51.
Large-font calls for harrowup's military history were being made by several posters shortly before the thread was pulled. I did not see what happened in the final hour or so of the thread. When I went back it was gone.
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-16 15:20:01 ET ReplyTrace
I guess because she claims to have served in some war or to be a veteran of some kind but is always smearing those who have a military background. So I think they're calling her bluff --- prove it or quit trying to use veteran status as an excuse to smear real veterans.
I guess because she claims to have served in some war or to be a veteran of some kind but is always smearing those who have a military background. So I think they're calling her bluff --- prove it or quit trying to use veteran status as an excuse to smear real veterans.
Through what I observed, ending with approximately #741, the challenge of Travis McGee to provide a military background was joined by a couple of other posters and became a chorus, along with a chorus of crickets. I saw no substantive response, only an oft-reiterated claim to Travis McGee that "you forget that I am asking the questions." (As best I can recall the precise words.) Apparently a real Navy Seal is not particularly intimidated by an ankle-biting liberal attack dog, but merely growls until the little chihuahua says "Yo quiero Taco Bell."
The bluff was most definitely being called, by a chorus, and the only answer I observed was the pulling of the thread. (Note: I did not observe the last hour or so of the thread.)
For harrowup, I only find vague statements about military service, but must allow for the fact that threads are pulled and posts may have been made that are no longer available. Because I was almost exclusively on the civil war threads, I did not meet harrowup on FR, unless it was under an alternate handle.
I did find the following:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/593030/posts?page=254#254 I am a liberal and not a conservative. 12/19/2001
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110046/posts?page=488#488 I suspect tpaine is a black-powder kind of guy and the last time I actually used black powder was many moons ago at a pool party not far from the Philadelphia Navy Yard where I was assigned. In any case I couldn't hear for about a week which turned out to be a lucky co-ink-ee-dink since I failed to hear my CO tell me what a fine job I was doing which would have swelled my head and made me obnoxious, rude and overbearing much like Republicans. 5/7/2004
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/579961/posts?page=125#125 I dare say a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails. 11/28/2001
I find a liberal, asserting an assignment to the Philadelphia Navy Yard, who imagines that a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues. This last claim indicates a detachment from reality or some really profound unfamiliarity with the nature of a military tribunal. A military tribunal has no set rules of evidence or anything else until the authority creating the tribunal decides what they are and promulgates such rules for the specific tribunal in question.
This should not be confused with a military court-martial which applies to military active duty personnel and operates under existing military law. Even so, the conviction rate at military courts-martial has historically exceeded 95% and the rules do not contain the same protections as in a civilian procedure. While an enlisted person may have one-thirds enlisted on the panel (jury), a unanimous verdict is not required -- it takes only two-thirds to convict. The automatic right to counsel does not attach to all courts-martial.
A military tribunal or court-martial is a creature of the Executive Department, not the Judicial Department.
For Travis McGee, using his real name I found DoD Official Public Records indicate him to be a reserve Naval officer, O-3 as claimed.
I dare say a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails
Do you ever follow context?
Yes. In context, a military tribunal (or court-martial) is not designed to be fair. It is part of the Executive system, not the Judicial system. The convening authority chooses to have the charges tried, then makes the rules. A jury is provided by the convening authority. The convening authority may provide a military Jag Corps judge. The convening authority may even provide a military Jag Corps defense counsel. Upon conviction one may appeal... to the convening authority.
From 1997-2000, including all forms of courts-martial, the U.S. Navy achieved a 96.7% conviction rate.
The reason for the existence of the military courts or tribunals is the furtherance of good order and discipline, not the promotion of fairness or justice.
"In Middendorf v. Henry, 425 U.S. 25 (1976), the Supreme Court held that presence of counsel was not required at a summary court-martial, which the Court characterized as a 'disciplinary' proceeding." See "Military Criminal Justice, Practice and Procedure," Fifth Edition, David A. Schlueter, Lexis Law Publishing, Charlottesville, VA, copr 1999, Matthew Bender & Company, Inc., page 39, footnote 13.
In context, we may find a proceeding determined by the Supreme Court to be a disciplinary proceeding, rather than a judicial proceeding, with no requirement for presence of qualified legal counsel. And that is for a court- martial under well-established military law. In a military tribunal, first someone decides to prosecute and then they make up the procedures to be used.
In context, anyone who claims that a military tribunal is more fair than a civilian judicial proceeding causes me to question whether that person was ever in the military.
In the military system there is only ONE bidder and this monopoly provides a conviction rate unheard of in any U.S. civilian court system.
nolu chan, USN, (Ret).
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-17 14:27:49 ET ReplyTrace
You still don't know what context is. Only an anti-government freak would automatically associate evil intent with a government inquiry.
You can squeal all you like about your opinion but since I trust the government and this particular President what you have to say is nothing but sour grapes based on a warped sense of superiority.
Now, if you want to go back and read the comment in context then you can try again but so far you've wasted more time than I have for you.
harrowup posted on 2005-04-17 15:56:55 ET ReplyTrace
Only an anti-government freak would automatically associate evil intent with a government inquiry.
Only a liberal airhead would describe a military tribunal as a government inquiry. Government inquiries cannot award the death penalty.
As for "civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails," Poor Martha Stewart. I wonder why she did not just place the highest bid. And who outbid her? It must have been the government. In -all- criminal proceedings, one of the parties is the government.
You still do not know what a military tribunal is, or you would not try to defend your brain-dead assertion that "a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues...."
Oh wait. You did not try to defend that inane comment. You have been merely diverting attention from it. Sort of like when Travis McGee and others on FR asked you about your purported military history. I guess I shouldn't take up any more of your time so you can get back to work on that one.
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-18 4:37:55 ET ReplyTrace
Well now, #3, I have some good news and some bad news for you.
First the good news.
I have absolutely no idea who you are or what you do, except you continue in mojo's long and hysterical demonstration of a manic- depressive personality disorder.
I briefly read something at Robin's kookery site before she banned me after just an innocuous exchange with Fred or Ferret.
That one series of OCD c/p's clearly indicated your lack of grounding so any further reading of your huffing and puffing bluster and bombast is never illuminating; you know, Snerdley lite and Rush heavy on the syntaxual malapropisms. Quite different from Coulter's convoluted indecipherable analogies, another of your heroes of the lunatic right once championed by Buchanan and his bigoted ilk.
I know you are finding this difficult to understand, but that is the sum total of the good news for you, to wit, you are only a legend in your own mind.
Now, for the bad news.
You've been played like a crazy hamster in a cage.
Just like your pal Stevie you have been sent chasing your tail all over the internet for years to find some flaw in some imaginary slight and have, like the hamster shit bug before you, failed to reconnect with reality.
Making mincemeat out of posters like you and the shit bug is so easy it is very nearly criminal to take any measure of pleasure in watching you going round in circles, never, ever getting what you want.
Shit-bug is never going to get even with JR, let alone me, and you will never get even with whomever your nemesis may be.
Please don't say I haven't given you enough clues to your eventual shame. I broadcast spoof warnings but like most of the posters on this and other 'political' discussion forums you can't believe anyone is capable of turning you into a pathetic resemblance of a blithering idiot.
Finally.
Making mincemeat is an art best left to an expert and you just aren't wired for prime time.
Your last meaningless data dumps illustrates how deeply disturb you are and you'll find eventually that context is more valuable than gotchas...except my gotcha.
Of course deception and misdirection are lies, you asshole; so is the suggestion that Thurber associated cartoons were better than the stories...in The New Yorker...'articles' led you on another hunt which was not only demonstrably unnecessary but predictive, planned and executed.
In sum, you are certifiably bat shit crazy, and remember to tell the shit bug and the Brazilian virgin that you've triumphed and are still on top as the biggest bestest hamster in the cage.
I'm pretty certain you will continue to bluster, but like your new best friends you'll just keep on proving my point.
Very well, Admiral. I shall carry on to the second of the only three threads, seeking the one where you made mincemeat of me.
Perhaps this is a demonstation of how you imagine kicking my butt, and apparently also that of Travis McGee (Matthew Bracken). It looked to me like a real SEAL was not impressed with your antics. Feel free to point out exactly where you did any ass kicking with your yukonesque content-free comments.
FR THREAD: Tancredo Statement on Majority Leader Tom DeLay (from his own website)
This thread has been pulled.
Pulled on 04/18/2005 8:51:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson, reason:
As long as the name calling and flamewars continue (on either or both sides) I will continue pulling threads, suspending and or banning posters. Knock it off!!
To: harrowup
Still waiting for you to post your military experience.
354 posted on 04/17/2005 7:05:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee ( -----www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 296 | View Replies ]
To: shellshocked
Quisling A word Norwegians are not very proud of having given to the world: it derives from Vidkun Quisling (1887-1945), a Norwegian politician who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II. He established his name as a synonym for "traitor", someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country, especially by serving in a puppet government. Quisling was found guilty of high treason in 1945, and was executed on the 24th October 1945.
355 posted on 04/17/2005 7:08:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 345 | View Replies ]
To: Travis McGee
It still doesn't go your way. You have to answer yes or no to the last two questions I asked you.
Using bold all caps and super size would indicate you are stressed. Take your time and relax.
356 posted on 04/17/2005 7:17:10 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 354 | View Replies ]
To: WVNan
Just use http://www.congress.org or http://www.congressvote.com Just type the URL and it will show up as a link - easy - you can do it!!
357 posted on 04/17/2005 8:22:32 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 352 | View Replies ]
To: Travis McGee
She has no military experience. She is just a lonely old hag looking for an argument to keep her company.
358 posted on 04/17/2005 9:11:09 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 354 | View Replies ]
To: Travis McGee; harrowup; Marine Inspector
Harrowup, keep up the good work against these racists.
Has Latrine Inspector been threatening to run checks on any other people?
359 posted on 04/17/2005 9:27:14 PM PDT by jjbrouwer (Chelsea for the Championship!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 354 | View Replies ]
To: shellshocked
"I may not be the best of Freepers"
Understatement of the Year award heading your way.
360 posted on 04/17/2005 9:42:23 PM PDT by jjbrouwer (Chelsea for the Championship!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 292 | View Replies ]
To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; harrowup
I met harrowup today. His name could even be Gonzalez and I'd still think he was ok.
361 posted on 04/17/2005 9:56:07 PM PDT by presidio9 ("For relaxing times, make it Santori time.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 351 | View Replies ]
To: devolve
LOL, I won't post my little 'laugher' again! All I saw was a blank space last time and I went back and posted it again!!
362 posted on 04/17/2005 10:19:03 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 334 | View Replies ]
To: potlatch
OBL date night
363 posted on 04/17/2005 10:27:15 PM PDT by devolve (My WWII Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WhiteCliffsOfDover.html - more traffic than DU-Koz-LDot -) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 362 | View Replies ]
To: presidio9
I have noticed your views on topics other than immigration aren't too shabby so I will give you this advice.
You should research the poster you've decided you think is OK before you make such pronouncements.
Try Google for starters.
Just because ya'll share immigration views, I wouldn't get so enamoured if I were you.
BTW....that perennial forum trash does not deserve a courtesy ping.
364 posted on 04/17/2005 11:12:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 361 | View Replies ]
To: wardaddy
OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, if you can tell me why you hate Mexicans so much.
365 posted on 04/18/2005 12:30:34 AM PDT by presidio9 ("For relaxing times, make it Santori time.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 364 | View Replies ]
To: harrowup
Stop calling your regular American citizen a traitor and especially stop suggesting you are a superior being and we might just ignore the fact that you are racists. About seven of you to my calculation.
I see that you've resorted to calling other people "racist" (again). I guess it's a lot easier to do that than it is to defend your position with good arguments and facts. But I guess we shouldn't expect any better from a card-carrying ACLU member.
366 posted on 04/18/2005 1:17:20 AM PDT by judgeandjury [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 306 | View Replies ]
To: harrowup
Tsar pinged his buddies to disrupt a thread which was pretty negative toward their racist hero, Tancredo.
Mirror, mirror.
367 posted on 04/18/2005 1:18:53 AM PDT by judgeandjury [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 316 | View Replies ]
To: harrowup
Funny, I never noticed how long you guys have been polluting the net with your garbage until I started looking into a couple of your more vocal blowhards. I'll bet you don't get out into normal society very much.
Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about you.
368 posted on 04/18/2005 1:34:58 AM PDT by Elmer Piddlestone [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 306 | View Replies ]
To: jjbrouwer
Harrowup, keep up the good work against these racists.
Is name-calling all that you've got to contribute? Absolutely pathetic.
369 posted on 04/18/2005 1:52:01 AM PDT by Elmer Piddlestone [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 359 | View Replies ]
To: Lead Moderator; Jim Robinson; harrowup; Travis McGee; Spiff; Czar To: FR Administration
GENTLEMEN, IT'S TIME TO FISH OR CUT BAIT...
The time is long past to begin enforcement of FR's posting guidelines, against this forum's infamous serial flamers.
Below are no less than 15 examples of personal attacks, race-baiting, flame throwing, slurs, libels, disclosures of personal information, etc., all from this one thread. And the shocking fact is that all these examples originate from just one freeper (harrowup), who managed these 15 personal attacks from a total of only 18 replies by him, on the thread.
Since one of harrowup's post in that thread was deleted by moderator, it is clear that the administration was aware of the offensive nature of his posts, yet nothing was done to curtail this grossly improper behavior. Moreover, this poster's quotes, where he brags about being a disruptor and troll and how he "love[s] beating up on Republicans...and especially conservatives" has been posted at least a dozen times on FR, so again, the administration cannot claim to be unaware of his confession to being a troll and disruptor.
NOTHING CAN BE MORE TELLING than after all this, that this poster remains unsanctioned. The last thread that he did this to, ("Army Reservist Charged in Border Detention"), was eventually pulled by Jim Robinson after 742 posts, because the race-baiters had become so flagrant and out of control.
PULLING A THREAD IS NO SOLUTION for the bad behavior of just a few, easily identifiable culprits. In fact this solution just provides cover for continued bad behavior by these few (but well known to the administration) repeat offenders. It is time to sanction them with something more severe, suspension at least, and banning in certain cases.
PLEASE DON'T PULL THIS THREAD don't send it to the smoky backroom, don't even delete the offensive posts in question (once again, that only provides cover to the race-baiting flame throwers). Leaving their ugly posts standing with a note that the poster has been suspended or banned is a great deterrent to others.
HERE ARE THE PERSONAL ATTACKS IN QUESTION:
1. "I have pinged JR in case he would like to give you another shot at proving you're an arse." #155
2. "We've already established you are all a bunch of racists pigs;" #286
3. "If so, you may have discovered why so many folks sort of cock their heads funny when they slide away from you." #287
4. "oh, cock-a-roacha... [reference to Travis McGee]" #290
5. "We've already established that you are a liar and create fraudulent translations to back your racist attitudes so that is not the direction I am going." #296
6. "The racist pigs here are the ones who keep pinging for reinforcements and pretending they are offended. You, for example and the others who seem to be fixated on ridding this country of hispanics whom you claim are destroying your way of life by changing your American culture, language and traditions. You're not conservatives. You are anti-government pluguglies just short of wearing hoods." #298
7. "We would much rather hear from the horse's [snip] [reference to Travis McGee] directly; no time for rabble rousing hoi polloi." #299
8. "Stop calling your regular American citizen a traitor and especially stop suggesting you are a superior being and we might just ignore the fact that you are racists." #306
9. "devolve, aka 'supertracpac' at LP is trying very hard to get noticed today." #309
10. "Tsar pinged his buddies to disrupt a thread which was pretty negative toward their racist hero, Tancredo." #316
11. "It would be helpful if more conservative recognized that and stopped giving aid and comfort to the racists who claim their goal on the Mexican border is for national security." #323
12. "Good thing for you that the latrine checker [Marine Inspector] had the Porta-Potty detail in Tombstone today or he'd be checking your papers." #335
13. "Ah, so you have some other explanation for the putrescence coming from your maw, you 'marecun you." #353
[nolu chan note: "marecun" is a misspelling of "maricon," the Spanish word for "queer."]
Nothing happens in a vacuum, and FR's de facto toleration of race-baiters, trolls and disrupters has become the subject of much comment around the net, most of it unpleasant. It makes sense to get this problem under control now and in a way that reflects well upon FR's conservative values. -Boot Hill
370 posted on 04/18/2005 2:31:01 AM PDT by Boot Hill ("...and Joshua went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 353 | View Replies ]
To: ClintonBeGone
After giving it thought, Tan-creepo has no character, and I hope DeLay keeps his post. But as for DeLay being president, nope. He's part of the 'cheap labor until the thousands more die' crowd.
371 posted on 04/18/2005 2:38:22 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March («« Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 230 | View Replies ]
To: Dad yer funny
Tan-creepo, the man who could have been president.
372 posted on 04/18/2005 2:39:43 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March («« Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 241 | View Replies ]
To: Boot Hill; harrowup; and all concerned
"FR's de facto toleration of race-baiters, trolls and disrupters has become the subject of much comment around the net..,"
Hah! That's a laugh. I've seen how you guys conduct yourselves on other sites "around the net." But that garbage ends when you come to FR. If it doesn't, you may all find yourselves outta here. And that includes you too Harrowup. Old salts like you have been around long enough to know better. Keep it off FR.
373 posted on 04/18/2005 3:46:54 AM PDT by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 370 | View Replies ]
To: Jim Robinson
"I've seen how you guys conduct yourselves on other sites 'around the net'."
Care to show any examples of "that garbage" regarding my conduct on other sites? No? I didn't think so! Maybe you should retract that cheap shot you took at me. -Boot Hill
374 posted on 04/18/2005 4:47:15 AM PDT by Boot Hill ("...and Joshua went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 373 | View Replies ]
To: Jim Robinson
Hah! That's a laugh. I've seen how you guys conduct yourselves on other sites "around the net." But that garbage ends when you come to FR. If it doesn't, you may all find yourselves outta here. And that includes you too Harrowup. Old salts like you have been around long enough to know better. Keep it off FR.
Jim,
I'm not "conducting myself" on any other sites around the net. Harrowup, however, is and has stated openly that he's on FR and other sites to beat up on Republicans and conservatives. He's also openly stated that he's on a "jihad" to torment border security advocates and immigration reformers. His behavior on Free Republic has been outrageous to say the least. There are other serial flamers, disruptors and trolls who are part of his little pack and they think that Free Republic is their little playground to beat up on long time FReepers, recent members, and newbies because they're Republican and conservative or they're aware of and concerned about the problems caused by our lack of border security.
Why do you continue to tolerate Harrowup? In all my 9 year history with Free Republic I've never seen a more beligerant poster, except for maybe Eschoir, who sows more dissension and disruption as harrowup has recently. I've never seen someone lie so blatantly and slander FReepers so freely with apparent impunity. I want to thank you for this wonderful forum. I want to thank you for tolerating the Minuteman Project reports and news articles. I know what your opinion was before and I hope it has changed somewhat given how well the project has been run and how successful it has proven to be. Really, thank you.
Now, I want you to notice how those threads usually devolve. A news article about the project is posted, people join in and say things like "Wow! God bless those patriots." and such. Then harrowup and his pack jump in and start race-baiting, slandering, lying, and everything. Read through a couple of the threads and you can see a concerted effort on their part to incite flame wars. It happens nearly every time. They haven't offered a constructive comment that I've seen. It is all attack attack attack. This is not the way this forum usually operates. I've never seen anything like it since I came to Free Republic in 1997 (actually earlier). Well, except for Eschoir. I really don't want to see you let Free Republic turn into this kind of thing. I hope that you and the moderators can get this under control soon as I think it is really hurting Free Republic and its reputation. I have not joined the groups attacking FR, in fact I've written some of them telling them to lay off. I'm afraid that opposition will grow though if things don't change. I hope that you can come up with a fair way to deal with this problem and if it were me I would start with harrowup.
375 posted on 04/18/2005 4:50:43 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 373 | View Replies ]
To: judgeandjury
I see that you've resorted to calling other people "racist" (again). I guess it's a lot easier to do that than it is to defend your position with good arguments and facts. But I guess we shouldn't expect any better from a card-carrying ACLU member.
Along with ACLU, Google "child pornography" and "NAMBLA". You'll see what ACLU types are all about. Disgusting.
376 posted on 04/18/2005 4:52:23 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 366 | View Replies ]
To: Boot Hill
No? I didn't think so! Maybe you should retract that cheap shot you took at me.
I don't think that Jim aimed that shot at you. There are a number of posters who post here and then on other sites talking about the flamewars their engaging in over here.
They go off and giggle about who they're smearing and they use other forums to plan and coordinate attacks. That's what Jim was talking about and I don't think he was particularly aiming the comment at you.
Calm down. Don't take it personally. I think that Jim will look at this and see what he can do. I think he recognizes the problem and I hope that he can deal with it fairly. I think he's particularly frustrated with the people who use other forums to plan their disruptions over here and who engage in flamewars with each other on multiple forums. If you're not one of them (as I'm not either) I don't think that Jim is talking to you.
377 posted on 04/18/2005 4:56:19 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 374 | View Replies ]
To: Spiff; Jim Robinson
"I don't think that Jim aimed that shot at you."
Maybe not, but I was the primary addressee of that post, and he opened his post with a quote from me, and then proceeded to condemn "you guys", collectively. You may be right, but you can be sure that if I read it that way, others will too.
I need to get some sleep, I'll see you around tomorrow and hopefully find that you're right, that Jim recognizes the problem and will act to correct it.
--Boot Hill
378 posted on 04/18/2005 5:18:17 AM PDT by Boot Hill ("...and Joshua went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 377 | View Replies ]
You fellows need to take responsibility for your actions. JR personally told us all to knock the personal attacks off twice before this thread on the 18th.
Those of us who have been accused of being traitors and foreign nationals and worse complied.
Spiff and Travis calmed down and backed off.
You, Boot Hill, did not. You even went so far as to enter other threads simply to post your stupid broadsides and you dragged B58Hustler (gatlin) right along with you.
I requested that those messages be removed and in the case of the thread jumping I asked that you get your butt kicked.
It is my surmise, Boot, you got yourself timed out not for your aggressive and relentless attacks, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods, but because you deliberately challenged JR and kept right on doing what he told you not to do. If it took my abuse button to start the ball rolling then I am pleased the thing works.
And you Boot, dragged B58 right along with you since I never even paid attention to his slobbering.
My only regret is that I did not use the 'abuse' button before on all of you from the get go. If I had perhaps 'wardaddy', Travis, Spiff and HiJinx would be in your company.
You are the whiniest bunch of crybabies I've ever seen. Drama queens will blush in your company.
There are rules at FR just as here. The difference is that I have friends at FR and while you can do your best to get me removed from this site, it will be of no matter to me. It will only prove that your intent is as ugly as your behavior.
If you want to discuss border issues, fine. Don't create a situation where I am obligated to return fire.
There are times when I can be kind and generous and loyal. I can also be meaner than dirt.
harrowup posted on 2005-04-20 19:02:07 ET ReplyTrace
You fellows need to take responsibility for your actions. JR personally told us all to knock the personal attacks off twice before this thread on the 18th.
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My only regret is that I did not use the 'abuse' button before on all of you from the get go. If I had perhaps 'wardaddy', Travis, Spiff and HiJinx would be in your company.
As you have addressed this screed to me, please provide an example of that for which you imagine I should take responsibility. As the thread was pulled you cannot provide a link, but if you saved anything, perhaps you can provide a quote. If not a quote, try to provide even your vaguest recollection, in your own words, of what I supposedly posted to get the thread pulled, or for which I need take responsibility.
While you are are it, have you had any luck lately researching your military experience? As you were stationed at NavSta Philly, do you recall that red carpet?
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-21 15:10:52 ET ReplyTrace
You fellows need to take responsibility for your actions. JR personally told us all to knock the personal attacks off twice before this thread on the 18th.
Try again. JR did not tell us to do anything, certainly not here.
Have you had any luck lately researching your military experience? As you were stationed at NavSta Philly, do you recall that red carpet?
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-21 18:33:17 ET ReplyTrace
From the available user database, downloaded into Adobe Acrobat, nolu chan's posting history fills 5,062 pages. harrowup's posting history fills 764 pages. But then nolu chan only used one handle. Or perhaps we should just consider that the piddling participation of a liberal Democrat card-carrying ACLU disruptor does not count.
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-21 23:07:32 ET ReplyTrace
From the available user database, downloaded into Adobe Acrobat, nolu chan's posting history fills 5,062 pages. harrowup's posting history fills 764 pages.
Which proves you either have too much time on your fingers and/or your feelings are hurt that all those 'citations' have been for naught if you are not universally known?
Geesh, get a life.
harrowup posted on 2005-04-21 23:14:17 ET ReplyTrace
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[nc note 08/14/2011: This discusses the one and only post of mine that was removed from FR. My one deleted post was returned to the thread after the post by 4CJ. I never requested reinstatement on FR.]
[harrowup] I stand corrected. You were kicked off weeks before I had any interest in the MMP.
It is noteworthy that the fact that I was not even there did not stop you from addressing a post to me saying, "You fellows need to take responsibility for your actions. JR personally told us all to knock the personal attacks off twice before this thread on the 18th."
I take it this is typical of your posts. When desired, you just make up your "facts."
I guess you felt your brain-dead disruptor nonsense sounded good. It was just too bad for you that I was not even on the FR thread you were talking about. But that attempt to make believe you were talking about this LP thread was lame. After all, the record still shows that you said, "JR personally told us all...." Unless JR has taken over LP, you knew precisely what thread you were talking about. This is precisely the way capitan_refugio would try to slither out when his make-believe "facts" were exposed.
[harrowup] Consider my slap down a reminder that you are hanging out with some really very clumsy folks.
As best I can tell, not a one of them is a liberal Democrat card-carrying ACLU disruptor such as you. Also, they do not make up their "facts."
I see you still haven't found your military history. Consider my slap down that of a retired vet to a phoney service member.
[harrowup] What threads were you abusing? Were you a "The South Should Rise Again" or an earlier explosion about your problems with migrant workers?
I was especially abusing the now-exposed-liar capitan_refugio. By the way, is that one of your other handles on FR?
Here is an exchange between 4ConservativeJustices and Non-Sequitur from this morning about my banning by FR. I accurately quoted Abraham Lincoln, linked to the specific page of the authoritative Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln. The post quoted by 4ConservativeJustices is the only one I ever had removed on FR.
Your excuse for nolu is a classic rationalization. Unable to accept that he was banned for something he did or wrote, you create a story in which the innocent nolu was tricked into posting supposed Lincoln quotes.
Wrong. No story was created, nolu chan was not tricked, this is just further proof of your ludicrous lies. My tagline states the truth, Nolu chan was banned for quoting Lincoln. To prove it, I'll post his entire post, with links and LINCOLN's words removed, and then you tell what was bannable about it?
Roy Prentice Basler published the definitive collection of Lincoln quotes.
ALL LINKS go to the Complete Works of Abraham Lincoln, Roy P. Basler. Italics in original.
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Way to go Abe!! Dropped the N-bomb four times in one paragraph in a public speech.
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Way to go Abe!! Quite a stump speech you have going there! Different newspaper, four n-bombs.
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What bannable about that?
With regard to the second clause, that first appeared the day after GOPc disappeared. You apparently attribute his short time-out to an alleged quote from the boss. But you knew full well that GOPC was caught in several ... shall we say ... mistruths.
You're a habitual liar. The reason I wrote that quoting Jim is a bannable offense is because it was true in this case - GOPCapitalist was banned for a day for doing nothing more than directing the moderators attention to the admonishment that Mr. Robinson had previously sent YOU.
I have the UTMOST respect for Mr. Robinson, if he'd like me to change my tagline I will do so.
405 posted on 04/21/2005 8:18:42 AM PDT by 4ConservativeJustices (Good-bye Henry LeeII. Rest well my FRiend. || Quoting Lincoln OR JimRob is a bannable offense.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 322 | View Replies ]
Take out Lincoln's words and nothing was left. Your point was?
Exactly! NOTHING was left, yet this was the post that Nolu chan was suspended for posting. LINCOLN's words were the bannable material, not Nolu Chans!
424 posted on 04/21/2005 10:30:43 AM PDT by 4ConservativeJustices (Good-bye Henry LeeII. Rest well my FRiend. || Quoting Lincoln OR JimRob is a bannable offense.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 423 | View Replies ]
The Houston Chronicle is hinting in its editorial that it does not wish to see a repeat of the MMP dog and pony show experiment tested in Texas. I agree.
249 posted on 04/11/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by harrowup
No, you're wrong and your pal Spiff is also trying to raise flame just because I agree with Cbg, Ben and others on the issue of the MMP. He is also lying about the 'jihad' quote...that was in reference to my jihad at MMP before I knew what it was...once I found out through Tlbshow who provided a link, I reignited the jihad...had nothing to do with my comments regarding Republicans and conservatives, but since facts don't matter to Spiff he is being ignored. Pass it on.
164 posted on 04/10/2005 9:46:01 AM PDT by harrowup
#193. To: nolu chan, Liberator, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#190)
I want you to notice how those threads usually devolve. A news article about the project is posted, people join in and say things like "Wow! God bless those patriots." and such. Then harrowup and his pack jump in and start race-baiting, slandering, lying, and everything. Read through a couple of the threads and you can see a concerted effort on their part to incite flame wars. It happens nearly every time. They haven't offered a constructive comment that I've seen. It is all attack attack attack.
375 posted on 04/18/2005 4:50:43 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
Some things never change. The YukloughnPosse is still using the same technique to derail discussion of anything pro-American, and anti-globalist.
