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#147. To: We The People, nolu chan, A K A Stone, Gatlin, harrowup, hondo68, ALL (#144)
I'm afraid I'll have to reserve the right to smack that idiot on any given day.
Point taken and it won't stop with you or me or Gatlin or harrowup or nolu chan or hondo68 or anyone; still the whole reason for this thread is to move the "yukon" stuff behind us with a little push from NC an otherwise fantastick poster. With a bit of luck, we can cool this stuff as it is stale at this time; we are now approaching 5 months of the CT. For me, it is no longer interesting much less funny and I find the subject deteriorating from our other possible exchanges of good ideas concerning REAL world issues.
It is just a an old joke for our memoirs is all. It is all but over now, other than a few residual barbs, quips"es and LAFFS.
FOLKS, we need ideas about improving not just ourselves but our own country and potentially the world; so far, we get a letter grade of "F-"
Now there you go again burning up space with c/p ancient history that simply demonstrates how frustrated all you maroons are because you aren't nearly as smart as you say you are. I offered to show you how it is done; but you weren't cleared given your notorious reputation for lying stupidity.
Your diatribes would be more meaningful if you ever remembered to quote the correct reference before your meaningless data dumps.
You STILL have not been able to assert a single thing that you could document. At least you are consistently worthless. You fantasized about having reduced me to mincemeat. So far you have not produced a single thing to back up your B.S.
YOU brought up the glorious CP stuff, not me. Your short term memory loss is alarming.
Well what does eLPee get? Can you grade that on a curve, so that there's room for them?
I don't visit that liberal AIPAC site anymore. I am through visiting LP unless someone suggests an interesting perspective; I haven't been there in several months to even view the remaining ideas displayed which were all neo-nazism specific ideas advancing a police state in America.
It is a dead website to me. It is more dead than American government.
Just one of your false statements involves hacking. I might have quoted others as claiming hacking but I never said it was a hack at LP or LF. LP p/w was never my concentration. I was only interested in LF and that didn't involve guessing or hacking. It was simple identity theft.
Yukon's pw was stolen at LP; hacked was a term that never should have been used. Where it began, is immaterial. There was a theft and then libel and slander undertaken by at least three posters who have/had posting privileges at both LP and LF.
I am prepred to consider a wager that I can hack your account here on LF, steal your password and post an admission/confession that you are a homosexual.
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Gatlin posted on 2011-04-16 20:13:17 ET
#556. To: Goldi-Lox, Gatlin, WhiteSands, All (#552)
That is NOT the Goldi-Lox from LP ...
Someone, or some group of posters have stolen passwords and are impersonating other posters.
They are the scum of the earth and should be exposed by the site owners or moderators. These thieves are going to ruin every forum that allows it.
I'm Back posted on 2011-03-29 16:57:22 ET
To clarify the course of excuses, yukon (the real yukon, or his hacker, or whomever) FIRST floated the excuse that he simply had too many browsers open and posted the wrong link.
We The People mockingly suggested the hacking of the computer theory 16½ hours later. The next day TooConservative mockingly floated the password guess excuse. Shortly after, GeorgiaConservative offered, yukon: "my computer was hacked by a 'CT' truther and here is Goldi to confirm it!" On 3/30, I'm Back (yukon) revised to, There has been a malicious attack on the site....
In a PM to Stone, Gatlin wrote:Stone, yukon said the best he remembers is that the exchange where I guessed his password on the first try was in a PM on LF.
On 4/1, yukon claimed he did not use the same password on both sites. On 4/10, Gatlin claimed that yukon did use the same password on both sites, and that such was his (Gatlin's) explanation since day two. On 4/17, Gatlin offered, Yukon's old password at LP was guessed within minutes. More Gatlin on 4/17, If someone guesses a password and enters a computer, that is legally hacking. On 4/18, Gatlin claimed to have guessed the password at LF on the first try. On 4/19, Harrowup offered an article claiming, Yukon's Password Was Stolen.... On 4/22, Gatlin claimed that Goldi guessed the password on LP in a couple of minutes.
By 4/24, Gatlin was reduced to the following desperate grope, The gay link was never posted to show that yukon was a homo ... the gay link was posted to draw out and expose posters like you.
I still have absolutely no idea what the hell you are mewling about and how I am linked to not smacking you down at CU or TOAK.
You have never been involved in smacking me down anywhere but in your imagination. That may be the reason why you can't produce a link to that imaginary B.S.
#3 is only famous for enormous shit data dumps appropriate for a clone pussy maggot and shit bug.
The admiral is only known for being one of the pieces of dung who emit all nature of B.S. but cannot back any of it up. Just as on this thread. The yukon fiasco blew up in their faces and the world has seen them as windbags.
What kind of freak keeps so many lies implicating himself in nothing more than self-flagelation?
I keep your crap so I can throw your contradictory crap right back at you. When confronting an online B.S. artist engaged in self-flagellation it is a useful tool, unlike you. The best part is I can find them so quick.
The Admiral couldn't touch a post of yours to save his life even if he had to. Thanks for your work, nc. I know it isn't easy to put the data AND presentation into a post.
For some reason the Admiral can't wake up on the Internet anymore. Is he really 80+ years old?
ince you HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO IT .. then why do you think anyone can?
Because anyone can. How much can it take to outsmart this?
#907. To: ALL, yukon, Gatlin, 22Rifle, Internet sleuths (#906)
I'm posting the IP of the person who hacked Yukon's posting file.
95.154.230.253 password hacker (hacked yukon)
95.154.230.291
Maybe someone can find him/her. Isn't there some legal precident for filing a lawsuit for doing that? Remember someone hacked Palin's email...and I think the guy went to jail, or something bad happened to him.
I just wanted him to know that his lie also made him look stupid.
Yeah, I liked that point too. The yukons just constantly spew contradictory statements and figure nobody will remember them, or if they do, will not be bothered or able to retrieve them quick enough to matter.
Well, just let me know when to stop playing with the internet toys.
I can't perform that function. You have full capability & capacity to perform on your own free will. The issues are dead, though. To use an old colloquialism: don't kick a dead horse, as it serves no purpose. Most anyone knows the actual issue and it can't be covered up even by a channel manager and her gang of thugs.
This stuff is just old, is all. And I want to address all new issues confronting us and not some dead website with a few silly posters on LP.
I got Gatlin to move the CT into the past, this evening. This is a significant event for all of us. He may have improved his skills of using brain this evening.
We need at least a marginally viable third (or is that second) party that does not choose a GOPer for name recognition. That practically dismantled the Reform Party and the Libertarian Party.
Now, we all want the Admiral's brilliant thesis in his own words for a rebuttal; we can't have him leave in complete shame can we? Don't we love and cherish every post by harrowup?
Why, I hear by him he just makes everything up as he goes along in life: admiral, lawyer, goat herder .... so many areas of stuff.
I just wanted him to know that his lie also made him look stupid. Yeah, I liked that point too. The yukons just constantly spew contradictory statements and figure nobody will remember them, or if they do, will not be bothered or able to retrieve them quick enough to matter.
A boat load of 'statements' taken out of context and purported to demonstrate some non-existing collusion is not answerable.
Now, just for a moment, take off your OCD-dung beetle hat and answer the following simple question:
I know what TOAK was because I posted there, but what is or was CU?
If you can simply answer that, we'll move on to next obvious question.
"...we can't have him leave in complete shame can we? Don't we love and cherish every post by harrowup?"
I don't care how he leaves, it's the leaving part I like. And I'll remember how much I love and cherish him the next time I flush....&;-)
Bucky...Who's leaving? I said I'm done with this shit.
Murron...I don't think I ever heard of you before this brouhaha began and I think Mel came into a discussion and then you made a funny reference to "SILENCE. I KEEL YOU".
I did note that you had some history with Gatlin but have no idea what it was about.
I believe our first disagreement came about when you were advised by me that I was spoofing and you were being played which angered you. That was one of the goals of the spoof but the target was Bucky and it unnerved him to distraction and irrelevance after that.
I can understand why you would get annoyed, but if we have had any other previous dialogues in which you believe I insulted you, you'll have to tell me because I have no recollection of any meaningful dialogue with you prior to these events.
Just as I have no idea what relevance 'Mercuria' has to me. I don't think I've ever had a conversation with her and only know her by reference.
For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
For example there was a post by bucky up-thread that showed a purported private message from Gatlin to A K A Stone that I simply do not recall ever seeing and having seen it now can't perceive its relevance to me.
there's not much that doesn't surprise the walter middy of the internet.
Assuming for the moment you mean Thurber's Walter Mitty then you obviously qualify in that you have created a fantasy about yourself and of those of whom you are apparently envious; I can't speak for Gatlin, but I don't recall him ever bragging about his military service, and I certainly know I haven't. Joking about it? Of course. That's what I do.
I can't remember whether I read the book or saw the movie first, but probably the book, but that would have been during the war and way too long ago to have left any more of an impression outside of the stereotype so I won't hazard a guess as to any other peculiarities you would share with poor Walter.
I do remember liking the cartoons that went with Thurber more than reading Thurber.
Assuming for the moment you mean Thurber's Walter Mitty then you obviously qualify in that you have created a fantasy about yourself and of those of whom you are apparently envious; I can't speak for Gatlin, but I don't recall him ever bragging about his military service, and I certainly know I haven't. Joking about it? Of course. That's what I do.
I can't remember whether I read the book or saw the movie first, but probably the book, but that would have been during the war and way too long ago to have left any more of an impression outside of the stereotype so I won't hazard a guess as to any other peculiarities you would share with poor Walter.
I know whether you read the book or saw the movie first. Probably it was not the book. It is a short story. A short short story.
For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) [nc - sic] and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
As Admiral Harrowup wants his lying nonsense taken to a conclusion, I will do so.
I and the Admiral have no history of any interaction at Freedom4um, Free Republic, Freedom Underground, or The People's Forum. Zero, with the indirect exception of my TPF analyses of the nonsense posted on Liberty's Flame during the yukon incident.
That leaves Liberty Post where we did have a few exchanges. Admiral Harrowup made eight (8) posts addressed to me on three (3) threads. I made nine (9) posts addressed to harrowup on two threads.
"You're a joke; getting booted by the clone pussies for libel was the funniest yet for that bunch of maggots."
If I only post were I can't be hindered by facts, the Admiral must consider LP such a site as I have a rather lengthy posting history there, spanning about five (5) years.
I have repeatedly asked the lying sack of crap to present the evidence of where he made mincemeat of me, or where I lost badly to his sorry butt. I never happened. He can lie, and I can produce the whole posting history. It is all of seventeen (17) posts on LP, both sides of the exchange included. With the evidence smeared in his face, the Admiral can try to show where he made mincemeat of anyone. Before he wins any argument with anyone, he will have to make some point about something and back it up. While beating a dead horse, or a dead faux admiral, may be unseemly, this particular dead horse is full of gas. The gas escapes from his mouth, smells bad, and makes noise.
I was not booted from CP. I stopped posting on the Snitz site shortly before it had its plug pulled; immediately after I advised, by posting on the site, that they were hosting libel per se on the site about Dr. Brian Kopp. As usual, the Admiral has his non-facts backwards. I never registered with the replacement vBulletin site. It was quite impossible for me to have been booted.
It is time to start looking at the exchanges where the faux admiral says he made mincemeat of me.
Some introductory comment on military tribunals, which are separate and distinct from a military court-martial as any real admiral should know.
A military tribunal is a kind of military court designed to try members of enemy forces during wartime, operating outside the scope of conventional criminal and civil proceedings. The judges are military officers and fulfill the role of jurors. Military tribunals are distinct from courts-martial.
A military tribunal is an inquisitorial system based on charges brought by military authorities, prosecuted by a military authority, judged by military officers, and sentenced by military officers against a member of an adversarial force.
[snip]
Although such tribunals do not satisfy most protections and guarantees provided by the United States Bill of Rights, that has not stopped Presidents from using them, nor the U.S. Congress from authorizing them, as in the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
So, an inquisitorial system, outside the scope of conventional criminal and civil proceedings, designed to try members of enemy forces during wartime, which does not satisfy most protections and guarantees provided by the United States Bill of Rights, "is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails." So says Admiral harrowup.
JURIST Guest Columnist Brian J. Foley of Florida Coastal School of Law says that the less-than-rigorous procedural rules governing the tribunals and military commissions at Guantanamo Bay endanger us as surely as any terrorists...
The prevailing belief that the procedures at Guantanamo Bay (GTMO) protect us because they make it easy to keep enemy combatants locked away is misguided. When legal process is not rigorous and convictions are easy to win, the danger is not only to the accused. Public safety is compromised: under the existing rules, cursory investigations are sufficient for convictions. This is far too likely to lead to false convictions that will lull us into the sense that were reducing the threat of terrorism when were not.
Its beyond argument that the rules the tribunals at GTMO use are weak and that, as an epistemological matter, we cant trust their determinations. The Combatant Status Review Tribunals (CSRT), which decide whether a prisoner is an enemy combatant, use a low standard of proof -- a preponderance of the evidence, with a rebuttable presumption in favor of the governments evidence. The government can use notoriously unreliable evidence: hearsay, evidence coerced out of prisoners, and classified evidence kept secret from the prisoner. Access to lawyers is forbidden, and only one of the military judges is required to have a law degree.
The military commissions that President Bush announced two months after 9/11 to try enemy combatants suspected of particular crimes are equally unreliable. Although there is a presumption of innocence and the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt and the prisoner can have a lawyer (with restrictions), only one of the judges has to be a lawyer, and convictions can be based on hearsay, coerced testimony, and secret evidence.
One purpose of having rigorous rules of evidence, high burdens of proof, and trained counsel to help an accused mount a defense is to improve public safety. Rigorous rules put the government to its proofs when it carries out its crime-fighting and national security duties. Rigorous rules protect us all by helping ensure that the government is truly ferreting out crime and not just putting on a show.
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Admiral harrowup asserts such a procedure "is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails."
Admiral, is this the one thread, of three, where you claim to have reduced me to mincement?
Would you prefer to move on to the next one in chronological order?
An exchange between nolu chan and fitz [41, 42, 47, 48, 51] and the thread article are included for context. The admiral seems very sensitive about context. The admiral replied to #51.
Large-font calls for harrowup's military history were being made by several posters shortly before the thread was pulled. I did not see what happened in the final hour or so of the thread. When I went back it was gone.
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-16 15:20:01 ET ReplyTrace
I guess because she claims to have served in some war or to be a veteran of some kind but is always smearing those who have a military background. So I think they're calling her bluff --- prove it or quit trying to use veteran status as an excuse to smear real veterans.
I guess because she claims to have served in some war or to be a veteran of some kind but is always smearing those who have a military background. So I think they're calling her bluff --- prove it or quit trying to use veteran status as an excuse to smear real veterans.
Through what I observed, ending with approximately #741, the challenge of Travis McGee to provide a military background was joined by a couple of other posters and became a chorus, along with a chorus of crickets. I saw no substantive response, only an oft-reiterated claim to Travis McGee that "you forget that I am asking the questions." (As best I can recall the precise words.) Apparently a real Navy Seal is not particularly intimidated by an ankle-biting liberal attack dog, but merely growls until the little chihuahua says "Yo quiero Taco Bell."
The bluff was most definitely being called, by a chorus, and the only answer I observed was the pulling of the thread. (Note: I did not observe the last hour or so of the thread.)
For harrowup, I only find vague statements about military service, but must allow for the fact that threads are pulled and posts may have been made that are no longer available. Because I was almost exclusively on the civil war threads, I did not meet harrowup on FR, unless it was under an alternate handle.
I did find the following:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/593030/posts?page=254#254 I am a liberal and not a conservative. 12/19/2001
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110046/posts?page=488#488 I suspect tpaine is a black-powder kind of guy and the last time I actually used black powder was many moons ago at a pool party not far from the Philadelphia Navy Yard where I was assigned. In any case I couldn't hear for about a week which turned out to be a lucky co-ink-ee-dink since I failed to hear my CO tell me what a fine job I was doing which would have swelled my head and made me obnoxious, rude and overbearing much like Republicans. 5/7/2004
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/579961/posts?page=125#125 I dare say a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails. 11/28/2001
I find a liberal, asserting an assignment to the Philadelphia Navy Yard, who imagines that a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues. This last claim indicates a detachment from reality or some really profound unfamiliarity with the nature of a military tribunal. A military tribunal has no set rules of evidence or anything else until the authority creating the tribunal decides what they are and promulgates such rules for the specific tribunal in question.
This should not be confused with a military court-martial which applies to military active duty personnel and operates under existing military law. Even so, the conviction rate at military courts-martial has historically exceeded 95% and the rules do not contain the same protections as in a civilian procedure. While an enlisted person may have one-thirds enlisted on the panel (jury), a unanimous verdict is not required -- it takes only two-thirds to convict. The automatic right to counsel does not attach to all courts-martial.
A military tribunal or court-martial is a creature of the Executive Department, not the Judicial Department.
For Travis McGee, using his real name I found DoD Official Public Records indicate him to be a reserve Naval officer, O-3 as claimed.
I dare say a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails
Do you ever follow context?
Yes. In context, a military tribunal (or court-martial) is not designed to be fair. It is part of the Executive system, not the Judicial system. The convening authority chooses to have the charges tried, then makes the rules. A jury is provided by the convening authority. The convening authority may provide a military Jag Corps judge. The convening authority may even provide a military Jag Corps defense counsel. Upon conviction one may appeal... to the convening authority.
From 1997-2000, including all forms of courts-martial, the U.S. Navy achieved a 96.7% conviction rate.
The reason for the existence of the military courts or tribunals is the furtherance of good order and discipline, not the promotion of fairness or justice.
"In Middendorf v. Henry, 425 U.S. 25 (1976), the Supreme Court held that presence of counsel was not required at a summary court-martial, which the Court characterized as a 'disciplinary' proceeding." See "Military Criminal Justice, Practice and Procedure," Fifth Edition, David A. Schlueter, Lexis Law Publishing, Charlottesville, VA, copr 1999, Matthew Bender & Company, Inc., page 39, footnote 13.
In context, we may find a proceeding determined by the Supreme Court to be a disciplinary proceeding, rather than a judicial proceeding, with no requirement for presence of qualified legal counsel. And that is for a court- martial under well-established military law. In a military tribunal, first someone decides to prosecute and then they make up the procedures to be used.
In context, anyone who claims that a military tribunal is more fair than a civilian judicial proceeding causes me to question whether that person was ever in the military.
In the military system there is only ONE bidder and this monopoly provides a conviction rate unheard of in any U.S. civilian court system.
nolu chan, USN, (Ret).
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-17 14:27:49 ET ReplyTrace
You still don't know what context is. Only an anti-government freak would automatically associate evil intent with a government inquiry.
You can squeal all you like about your opinion but since I trust the government and this particular President what you have to say is nothing but sour grapes based on a warped sense of superiority.
Now, if you want to go back and read the comment in context then you can try again but so far you've wasted more time than I have for you.
harrowup posted on 2005-04-17 15:56:55 ET ReplyTrace
Only an anti-government freak would automatically associate evil intent with a government inquiry.
Only a liberal airhead would describe a military tribunal as a government inquiry. Government inquiries cannot award the death penalty.
As for "civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails," Poor Martha Stewart. I wonder why she did not just place the highest bid. And who outbid her? It must have been the government. In -all- criminal proceedings, one of the parties is the government.
You still do not know what a military tribunal is, or you would not try to defend your brain-dead assertion that "a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues...."
Oh wait. You did not try to defend that inane comment. You have been merely diverting attention from it. Sort of like when Travis McGee and others on FR asked you about your purported military history. I guess I shouldn't take up any more of your time so you can get back to work on that one.
nolu chan posted on 2005-04-18 4:37:55 ET ReplyTrace