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Title: Will S&P Downgrade Be Another Y2K Scare?
Source: Naked Capitalism
URL Source: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011 ... rade-be-another-y2k-scare.html
Published: Aug 6, 2011
Author: Yves Smith
Post Date: 2011-08-06 09:49:29 by lucysmom
Keywords: Chicken Little, Obama Did It, Pot, Kettle
Views: 41772
Comments: 76

It isn’t yet clear what the impact of the S&P downgrade of the US to AA+ will have. There are good reasons to believe, despite the media hyperventilating, that it won’t add up to much, and may perversely hit wobbly stock markets more than Treasury yields.

But there is a much bigger issue, namely S&P’s highly questionable conduct, the lack of any analytical process behind this ratings action, and the political implications.

Will the S&P Downgrade Have Much Immediate Impact?

Although I run the risk of being proven wrong, there are lots of reasons to think that the reaction in the Treasury market to the news will be underwhelming. We might see some reactions Monday as some investors who managed to be blindsided and aren’t happy with the downgrade exit but conversely, I know of investors who see any price softening as a buying opportunity.

Treasury yields fell 50 basis points last week despite the risk of a downgrade being very well telegraphed. S&P had asked for $4 trillion in deficit reductions (it tried disavowing that number) and made it clear it was going off to brood and might take action. And this market response took place with S&P leaking like a sieve.

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#12. To: lucysmom, Badeye, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric, Mininggold (#0)

But there is a much bigger issue, namely S&P’s highly questionable conduct, the lack of any analytical process behind this ratings action, and the political implications.

Bullshit. S&P is acting honestly (at least, they're more honest than the rest of the Wall St. firms... And so the truth comes out.

I've WARNED you that there would be consequences of the profligate spending by our government... and now we're starting to see REAL results.

The "political consequences" of this, is that the truth will continue to become more noticeable in everyday life... Mainly in the form of INFLATION.

mctoejam: "deflation..." blah blah blah....

WISHFUL THINKING. The government is already defaulting, in the form of inflation. There is NO stopping it.

You lefties think this is gonna' be another Y2K?

Shit.

You're DREAMING.

Look up Ferfal, or "Surviving in Argentina," on google... to get a glimpse of what's coming HERE.

You better stock up on food, weapons, silver and/or gold, while your dollars can still buy something... because there's a storm coming... and your dollars will revert to their intrinsic value... namely, "toilet paper."

BELIEVE IT.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-08-06   13:39:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#12)

$100 the acre.

Oil at $1 a gallon....

And you have no idea what default is.

There's a difference between 'Can't' and Won't.

But you keep believing the FedRes has something left.

First AAA to the USSA....1917....WE'RE GOING TO WAR. Loss of AAA with New Deal....NO WAR. Second AAA awarded....wait for it.....1941...WE'Re GOING BACK TO WAR...

Se a Pattern? Of course not....;}

back in February 2008:

I don't know what will come next. I don't know if the United States can crawl out of the filthy pit of empire and tyranny over the next few decades and claw its way toward some new manifestation of democracy -- or if it will just keep sinking, raging, rotting, mutating further into a war-and-torture state that must feed constantly on human flesh to survive. Of course, I hope for -- and will work toward -- the former, the new manifestation, although I honestly don't expect to see such a thing in my own lifetime. But whatever will be, one thing is certain now: the constitutional republic of the United States is a dead letter, a relic of history."

LMFAO

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-08-06   22:40:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mcgowanjm (#20)

$100 the acre.

Oil at $1 a gallon....

Wish in one hand, shit in the other, and tell me which one fills up faster.

And you have no idea what default is. There's a difference between 'Can't' and Won't. But you keep believing the FedRes has something left.

I know exactly what default is. Further, I know a great deal more than you, about economics. When combined with an understanding about how politicians work, how they'll do anything to stay in power, even if it means throwing their own MOTHERS under the proverbial bus, they'll be only too happy to do so.... And THAT is why the stealth-default will continue...

HOW, you may ask, is the USA doing a stealth-default? Simple. The Fed is now printing money (or more accurately, *digitally* creating it) from nothing. They control the printing presses... THAT'S what they have left....

For all your talk, and your bluster, the fact is that you don't know SHIT.

Please, HOLD all of your savings in cash... If nothing else, you'll never have to worry about toilet paper.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-08-07   14:04:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#34)

And Sweet babi Hesus that Cramer's a short lil fucker.

If you're shorter than a Japanese Lady, you must be less than 5 ft tall....LMFAO

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