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Title: Get ready to pay dearly for the ‘deal’ (can you believe this was written by an adult?)
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Buffalo News, (a.k.a. Lake Erie Pravda)
URL Source: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/columns/rod-watson/article511557.ece
Published: Aug 4, 2011
Author: Rod Watson
Post Date: 2011-08-05 09:27:04 by Get Outta Dodge!
Keywords: None
Views: 138134
Comments: 205
First “they came for the socialists. . . .” And they got them . . . and the progressives, and the moderates, and the entire middle and working classes, not to mention the economy itself. They got them all. While Pastor Martin Niemoller’s famous quote referred to the Nazis, it could just as easily be applied to the tea party extremists who rolled President Obama and Democrats in a “deal” that will have dire consequences for a poor, job-hungry city such as Buffalo. Obama broke a cardinal rule of presidents: Never negotiate with terrorists. But using the word “negotiate” may be giving this White House too much credit. Afraid that a small band of tea party radicals would blow up the economy, feckless Democrats who have no idea how to craft a message simply caved instead of getting out front in the debate. Who’ll pay for their timidity? You will, if you need help with your heating bill, want Western New York’s transportation network maintained, or don’t want education on the chopping block. Buffalo Niagara gets millions in everything from transit aid to block grants for economic development. All such programs face added jeopardy because the president went back on his vow to demand the balanced approach of cuts and revenues that polls show most Americans want. It’s one thing not to be able to lead people where they don’t want to go. It’s quite another not to be able to lead them in the direction they’re already pointing. Instead, this deal—composed entirely ofcuts— will hurt older, poorer cities such as Buffalo and slow economic growth even more while doing nothing to create jobs. In fact, it will cost jobs. The Economic Policy Institute says the plan’s failure to extend emergency unemployment benefits and the payroll tax holiday—the one tax cut that should have been included— will lower the GDP by a combined 1.2 percent and cost 1.5 million jobs next year. Try telling the 7.7 percent of Western New Yorkers—and 10.2 percent of Buffalonians— who are looking for work that this makes sense. And now that they’ve tasted blood— yours, if you’re not wealthy—the extremists will be back for more. With plans to stack the new “supercommittee” with members opposed to raising revenue, it’s possible the right wing will even sacrifice defense by triggering the $1.2 trillion in across-the-board cuts that result absent any other deal. In other words, the damage has only begun as we transition to government by minority rule. At a time when the economy needs to be juiced, Washington will be run by those who drank the Kool-Aid. And where were Chuck “Press Re-lease a Day” Schumer or other Democratic leaders—including the president —who could counter the right-wing nonsense machine and put so much heat on the non-crazy part of the GOP that the debate never would have come to this? Obama’s somnolent “let your member of Congress know” had some last-minute effect. But imagine how a real leader—say, a progressive equivalent of Ronald Reagan—would have taken control of this debate upfront. But the outcome shouldn’t surprise. Obama took single-payer off the table before health care talks even began, and this time, he nixed the 14th Amendment option even quicker. If you’re looking to score on a used-car deal, this is the guy you want to negotiate with. In the meantime, optimists think we’ll now have a grand debate about the role of government as the rest of the deal is hashed out before the 2012 election. But that would require forceful leadership with the stomach for that debate. Unfortunately for poor cities such as Buffalo, what we have instead are Obama and Harry Reid. Poster Comment: Ohhhhhhhhhh . . . Tea Partiers are Nazis. How original. Can you believe this guy writes for a metropolitan daily? (Yeah, I guess I can.)
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#1. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#0)
Buffalo infected by Canada. They're lucky, cause they can go right across for better health care than the Bottom 90%... I have Mexico to look forward to....LMFAO 8D
Absolutely. He's a fine member of the US Government's Dept of Propaganda.
Well..the writer also takes a couple of swings at the President and at Sen. Schumer so he isn't going to win any Faux News awards but he isn't pulling any punches either.
Not pulling punches? He's pulling ALL the knockout punches. Like I said, he's being far too kind, pretending that Obama is simply inept.
Lol! He called him a used car salesman...and a poor one at that. Thats not close to being Dept. of Propoganda material. The tea-party / terrorist analogy over the debt ceiling negotiations is apt btw, although I prefer to the term hostaage takers.
When in fact he is a globalist, one worlder, socialist/communist traitor to the free, capitalist nation he was elected to lead. Now are you starting to get it? The tea-party / terrorist analogy over the debt ceiling negotiations is apt btw OK, well, have a great day.
Where in the constitution does it say we are a capitalist nation?
Is that a rhetorical question? If you've read the Constitution, then you already know that it doesn't state that we are a capitalist nation. You'd also have to know that the folks who wrote it valued life, liberty and property and wrote it (the US Constitution) in such a way that it shapes and designs our government to protect those things. Even our laws are designed with capitalism in mind, protection of ownership, your life, your free will, your property, enforcement of contracts, etc.
Absolutely. He's a fine member of the US Government's Dept of Propaganda. Newspapers such as this one illustrate the problem we have, and perhaps why it is insurmountable short of absolute economic calamity. Though its readership is down, it still apparently makes enough money to stay in business. Which means it has SOME readership One has to assume those readers also vote. Therin lies the problem
But not absolutely...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Oh, I forgot - the American Founders were Communists and the Constitution written by Lenin and Marx. You're right.... Twit.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
But not absolutely... But not absolutely. How have you been?
5x5 mon frer... You? I heard that you recently had your sanity verified by running afoul of Goldi...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
That comment does kinda has a 1930s Germany ambiance to it. Maybe the tea-party /Nazi analogy has more going for it than I thought...
Is that a rhetorical question? No, unfortunately the crazed moonbat is serious. If you've read the Constitution.... Whoa, you're assuming a lot there. Maybe she uses it to line her canary cage like Goldi. You'd also have to know that the folks who wrote it valued life, liberty and property and wrote it (the US Constitution) in such a way that it shapes and designs our government to protect those things.... Even our laws are designed with capitalism in mind, protection of ownership, your life, your free will, your property, enforcement of contracts, etc. Though how you characterized the tenets of the Constitution sounds noble, you must obviously work for the Koch brothers, you conservative shill. /s
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
You're right.... Twit. Neither were even born at the time. Instead on of being your usual blowhard self just show me where it's mentioned in the constitution. Small business mercantilism was the most popular economic system used during the founding days. The revolution was actually fought against the instituting of large corporate cronyism on the colonies by England. You do remember that Tea Party? and I don't mean the current phonies.
LOL! That's funny stuff. Yes, I was a bad boy again. This time it's terminal. Unless I decide it isn't. ;o)
LOL! Oh man, you guys are in great form today.
Now there you go asking a teabagger to think..that usually doesn't end well.
Liberator is always short on facts, which is why she substitutes her quibs for actual discussion.
...and have a sense of REAL history...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
No evidence of that. Faux news Check Looks like your mindless drone points are in order. Check in with skip and he'll give you your uniform
Faux news Check Teabagger Check Looks like your mindless drone points are in order. Check in with skip and he'll give you your uniform Why do you hate forum discussion and the First Amendment so much that you feel compelled to interfere and distract with another of your mindless quibs?. You too, have been called on to back up your distractions and have been proven to be another empty suit.
Meanwhile, you've yet to explain why an editorial in a money-making newspaper is your biggest "problem", or why economic calamity might be the only "answer". /lolz.
Come on. You have to admit that your question of capitalism in the US Constitution was, well, let's just say it wasn't honest discussion. You weren't looking to discuss anything. You thought you had a gotcha moment and pulled the trigger. Not faulting you for that, I'm just saying that if you're going to do that, then you shouldn't complain about the tactics of others. BTW, you have me confused. What would you say is the term to best describe your own political beliefs? I remember you from LP, but I don't remember that you were on the left.
If you've read the Constitution, then you already know that it doesn't state that we are a capitalist nation. You'd also have to know that the folks who wrote it valued life, liberty and property and wrote it (the US Constitution) in such a way that it shapes and designs our government to protect those things. Even our laws are designed with capitalism in mind, protection of ownership, your life, your free will, your property, enforcement of contracts, etc. Other economic systems offer the same protections, but it doesn't matter because our Constitution guarantees them anyway. Actually the founders were more like mercantilists, which was the economic system in vogue when the country was founded. If you knew your history you would know we fought a Revolutionary War against rugged, unfettered, global capitalistism which had already resulted in a true TEA PARTY revolt.
BTW, you have me confused. What would you say is the term to best describe your own political beliefs? I remember you from LP, but I don't remember that you were on the left. Your advanced degree in LP training has you thinking everyone not an avid Teabagger has to be one of those nasty lefties. But all you have to do to prove your theory is dispute my statements with facts not innuendo.
I'm here, ming. Discuss away.
The point being made was that your smuggled assumption about this country and capitalism was false. Its a typical Palin defense to get all hyper-literal in response. You performed that role like a trouper.
Discuss away. the ball is still in your court since you refuse to explain your actions.
I did explain it in post #9. You might try going back and re-reading it. This time, and in the interest of honest debate, why don't you cut and paste the whole thing?
Discuss away.
That's crazy. We did not fight a revolutionary war against global capitalism. We fought a revolutionary war against England, which was not allowing the colonies to engage in free market activities.
LOL! I'd say that is yet to be proven. Its a typical Palin defense to get all hyper-literal in response. You performed that role like a trouper. A typical Palin defense? WTH does that even mean? Did my response offend you? If so, I'd say that's your problem. If there's something that you'd like to discuss, like adults, fire away. If you are looking for another damp pants prepubescent to argue with, look elsewhere.
What, the fact that folks who read this newspaper also vote has your tighty- whiteys in a bunch? Pffft.
Buh bye
Well at least now you're acknowleging the point being made, which is apparently a big step forward for you. The second thing the first American Congress did was enact a tariff. Does that sound like something captitalists would do?
It was one of the major reasons and the reason for the Boston Tea Party revolt. The other main reason was taxation without representation. Free markets had nothing to do with it otherwise why would the individual newly formed states institute a system of tariffs?
So long Badeye...
Well at least now you're acknowleging the point being made, which is apparently a big step forward for you. Do I know you? Are you posting under a new screen name? Have we exchanged posts before? You're making very little sense and I'm trying to figure out why you immediately act like my sisters spoiled daughter. Listen, if I've posted something to offend you, I apologize. The very fact that I have to say that, offends me. I have little patience with overly emotional, spoiled children. Like I said, if there's something that you would like to discuss, like adults, then have at it. If you're looking for another forum groupie who wants to argue just for the sake of idiotic arguments, then you need to look elsewhere. In short, grow up, show some respect, or I'll have no problem in making you magically disappear. Why do you think that war and I, who agree on practically nothing, can exchange posts for years and still remain friends and friendly? Here's a clue...It could be that we are both adults.
Does that sound like something captitalists would do? As a matter of fact, it does. Why do you think it doesn't?
It was one of the major reasons and the reason for the Boston Tea Party revolt. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party Are you sure?
Why not? It's about the same meme the entire MSM has been using for the past week.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
For my money, I find you both good posters and contributors...I've found that I can agree or disagree with either of you and the conversation remains, for lack of a better word, cordial, i.e. no threats of violence, no comments about "Mom" or "Sis" or threats to reveal personal information. That said, as it is with Goodwinson and calcon, two other good - but opposite - guys, beyond this vouching for both of you, I'm Switzerland.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I can't argue with the sound logic of staying neutral. Sounds like some other fine advice we were given... "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
Why not? It's about the same meme the entire MSM has been using for the past week. If that were a student paper writing assignment in a Poli Sci 101 class, it would rate at best a C for structure. And an F for originality.
Please don't use Wikipedia as a source. It was an action against the actions of the East India Company and it's unholy alliance with England that really cared more about placating its plantation holdings and resultant trade in it's other, more coveted colony, India, than it did the American colonies.
Where's that Tea Party candidate sponsored legislation needed to enforce this?
Of course, its a very common tactic to take offense when challenged to backup your comments. Palin does it too all the time doesn't she? Meanwhile you've done very little to backup your assertions about Obama and/or capitalism. But go ahead and keep trying to make this about me and not the fact that you've painted with an overly broad brush.
Where's that Tea Party candidate sponsored legislation needed to enforce this? Excellent question, Ming. I'm serious If I get my friends in the Tea-party to sponsor such legislation, will you get your friends in the House and Senate to allow it to come to a vote. If it passes, will you ask your friend, President Obama, to sign it?
Ok...Why do you think protectionism and capitalism go hand in hand?
If I get my friends in the Tea-party to sponsor such legislation, will you get your friends in the House and Senate to allow it to come to a vote. If it passes, will you ask your friend, President Obama, to sign it? My personal Congresscritter Mike Thompson, whom I've never voted for, is on my shit list for being totally bought and paid for by the wine industry. My personal feeling... the Tea Party base will never let it happen.
Wow, really? Next you'll tell me the American stars on Betsy Ross's flag couldn't have replaced hammers or sickles "'cuz the date was too early." Small business mercantilism was the most popular economic system used during the founding days. The revolution was actually fought against the instituting of large corporate cronyism on the colonies by England. WHAT "large corporations" were there in 1773?? And I noticed part of your ludicrous analogy didn't mention "heroic Unions". And anyway, here I thought the basis of the American revolution was fought over "taxation without representation." You do remember that Tea Party? and I don't mean the current phonies. Uh-oh....lemme get out of the way of your quirky history lesson witty steamroller before I get hurt.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Give me a heads-up here before you "decide it isn't" so I can prepare my LMAO-muscles for another workout again.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
OUCH! A "teabagger" crack that was indirectly aimed at my "teabag." By chance are you Willie Green's "life-partner"?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
You're long on laughs. Thank you for that, Cousin Itt. Btw, what's a "quib"?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Wait...let me put on my magic 0bama-kaleidoscope 3-D glasses so I can get a "REAL" sense of history...OR, is it "herstory"? *yuk-yuk*
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Clever. Faux news Check Looks like your mindless drone points are in order. Check in with skip and he'll give you your uniform. Yep, we know EXACTLY where T-Bird perches and parrots her marching orders... Add two more daily talking points drivel: "Koch Brothers!!" CHECK #36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Nah...I thought Choo Choo Willie's life partner was named Lionel. Any thoughts on protectionism as a "capitalist" endevour?
Where's that Tea Party candidate sponsored legislation needed to enforce this? (Dodge): Excellent question, Ming. I'm serious If I get my friends in the Tea-party to sponsor such legislation, will you get your friends in the House and Senate to allow it to come to a vote. If it passes, will you ask your friend, President Obama, to sign it? (m.g.): My personal feeling... the Tea Party base will never let it happen. Why do you say that? Other than a general philosophy that gov't is too big and spends too much, the "tea party" (actually not a party in the political sense, but an amalgamation) is far from monolithic. Tell you what - If you'll admit that at least SOME in the "tea-party" are honest and upstanding, I'll do the same (((gulp))) for liberals. Liberals are just wrong politically, that's all
Speaking of suits, hey, you and your "friend" are looking fine here...thanks for the autograph. That said, nobody's stopping you from howling at the moon here, are they?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Lol...but ONLY if he's in a Union. Any thoughts on protectionism as a "capitalist" endevour? yes. I endorse heavy tariffs on imported slave-labor goods. And you??
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
"Koch Brothers!!" CHECK "Palin is the leader of Teabagger Terrorists!!" CHECK Thanks. We'll probably have a list of about 50 or so before they start being recycled. I'll set up my DVR to record MSNBC this evening. That should add about 35 or so.
You posed a perfect question, too. Was Congress out on the golf course with their lobbyists for all these years? Through the last 40+ years they certainly have ensured ALL citizens are victims to the trade imbalances while American government created all kinds of tax incentives for off-shore multinationals WHILE importing cheap labour. It is credible what these people in government have done to America.
THAT creates a conundrum for insane Leftists who require a identifying and smearing their sneaky enemy, "Teabaggers." This is "EXHIBIT A" as to why these people are colossal idiots who are missoing several common sense DNA. Tell you what - If you'll admit that at least SOME in the "tea-party" are honest and upstanding, I'll do the same (((gulp))) for liberals. You'll need the Hubble telescope and a barf-bag for that, won't ya?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Me, I'd rather pay a little more for goods manufactured in the United States than see whole regions of the nation get thrown out of work. Steel is a good example where tariffs make sense (imo), especially when the foreign exporter is dumping their product to grab market share. However I would consider that position to be economic nationalism NOT capitalism, despite a shallow attempt by some to claim otherwise.
You'll need the Hubble telescope and a barf-bag for that, won't ya? Well, my dear sister (bless her heart) is a lib. Probably one of those who think Obama is too "centrist." Other than that, she's okay - and I love her.
HA! MSNBC - the Leftists' pied piper. Yeah, we should making citations of all their Pavlovian propaganda and demonizing drivel. Oughta be hilarious by the time we're done. These people are SO damn robotic and conditioned.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Other than that, she's okay - and I love her. My sympathies.... All you can do is love her for her good traits and avoid politics. I have NO pure liberal relatives - and very few in my extended family.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Agree 110%. One of the reasons our economy is cratered is precisely because of ChiCom dumping. How can we compete against slave-labor?? Strangely enough, US economic advisors, politicians, and our media NEVER saw this coming or forewarned us? We were betrayed by our own. We needed to start following your suggestion 20 years ago, but it's never too late. I would consider that position to be economic nationalism NOT capitalism, despite a shallow attempt by some to claim otherwise. It's possible to encompass both nationalism and capitalism considering the US market is the largest in the world.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Was Congress out on the golf course with their lobbyists for all these years? Through the last 40+ years they certainly have ensured ALL citizens are victims to the trade imbalances while American government created all kinds of tax incentives for off-shore multinationals WHILE importing cheap labour. It is [in]credible what these people in government have done to America. You're absolutely right, Buck... Our so-called "peoples' representatives" sacrificed and sabotaged American industry, manufacturing, and obviously our national economic sovereignty....for the sake of their lobbying fees, hookers, and golf course perks. Our own politicians represented FOREIGN INTERESTS over America. This makes them as much a traitor to America as ANY foreign spy or saboteur. As such, they ought to be addressed (even 20-40 years later) as traitors have traditionally been addressed - at the end of rope.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Wow. No offense, but that's just weird. Why would you presume to tell me what sources to use, and why would you presume that I would do anything but laugh?
What the hell is wrong with you people? I don't use tactics junior. I have discussions, you weirdo. If you think I'm pretending to be annoyed with you, then you're stranger than I thought. Now I'll ask you again since you ignored me the first time...Are you posting from a different screen name? Have we exchanged posts before?
Nope. First things first. If you don't answer my questions then I don't answer yours. The second thing the first American Congress did was enact a tariff. Does that sound like something captitalists would do? As a matter of fact, it does. Why do you think it doesn't?
All you can do is love her for her good traits and avoid politics. LOL - yeah, we don't see each other often as she lives about 400 miles away. But we talk on the phone a couple of times a month. We DEFINITELY avoid political discussions!
I hate to be the one to break this to you guys, but mercantilism and protectionism are types of capitalism. We can argue the merits of each if you'd like, but we can't argue that they aren't all different strains of theory in capitalism.
Lol! True that.
You were posting on LP when I got there. Are you trying to insinuate guilt by association? But all you have to do to prove your theory is dispute my statements with facts not innuendo. You mean, if you had actually made any statements that were anything other than jibberish? I see that you don't like to answer an honest question honestly, but I'm going to try again anyway... Are you arguing against capitalism or simply being a snide little bitch because that is what you do?
I see that you don't like to answer an honest question honestly, but I'm going to try again anyway... Are you arguing against capitalism or simply being a snide little bitch because that is what you do? Mininggold is a lot like yu-klown in this respect, isn't she/he/it?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Wise move. But even discussing the weather can be a iffy subject and lead to...."global warming." Could you imagine being MARRIED to one [a liberal moonbat]? AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH! (I'm not, BTW. My lovely wife is sane) Thankfully for you; But my answer: HELL NO!! And I don't care if she looks like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Miss Universe. I don't deal with stupid AND insane well.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Then you also must have noticed I have made probably not over twenty posts there in the last two years. Too bad you have to resort to MORE innuendo and name calling when you run out of argumernts. Seems typical for Tea Baggers though. BTW why don't you answer my pertinent question regarding why your candidates have not sponsored legislation to end the wars, since you guys are so gung ho on stopping needless spending.
I would have to guess that it's because of the questions that I've posed which you ignored or disregarded. Who do you believe 'my candidates' are?
What's too bad is that you appear to have gone completely insane. I've tried my very best to not engage in name calling or innuendo with you, but when that is ALL that you do, even with your first post to me, it's kind of hard not to return fire. I seem to remember that you and I were friends on LP. What has made you into the snide, petulant person that you are today?
Weeda Peeps is probably too busy posting "conservative" propaganda from some dippy broad in Canada to take part in any serious exchange of the issues. Good question though.
I've tried my very best to not engage in name calling or innuendo with you, but when that is ALL that you do, even with your first post to me, it's kind of hard not to return fire. I seem to remember that you and I were friends on LP. What has made you into the snide, petulant person that you are today? I have a hard believing a male would use the word petulant, but then all you have to do is stop with the innuendo and present facts. Try it, you might even like it. Like I said earlier when are you going to answer my question? Maybe you need to show some curiosity and an ability to research since you claim to be representative of the TP mentality. That is if it makes any difference to you if your "movement' lasts to the next election, because all I see in the TP is more empty suits.
Your correction of my statement seems innocent and thanks for the attempt. Here, let me explain my statement (in brief) because it was not clear. That is how I intended the statement to read. And, thanks for picking up on the apparent confusion. Now, let me amplify my statement; it won't take long to read and is largely historical in nature. You see, 65+ years ago there were many changes occurring within American society largely because of the aftermath of WW2. Two significant events occurred as a direct result of WW2: 2) a true sense of American Patriotism reappeared for all the world to see. Indeed, America was the sole victor of WW2 with other nations around the world shadowing us by magnitudes of order. Many of the otherwise leading world's nations were distraught at the same time (certainly ALL that participated in WW2) and required a HUGE re-build effort. America's military/industrial machine during WW2 was somewhat recast to perform that re-build effort which lead directly to increased US private sector jobs; and the fact that America had returning soldiers with continuing women already trained within the workforce. Of course, coupled with the victory of WW2, FDR signed the omnibus GI Bill (1944) which lead to inproved training and college for returning soldiers and zero down house payments for those wanting to buy a home. Typically most Americans wanting to buy a home were family oriented (often with two incomes) and wanting a family. Of course, a two income family requires two cars. These factors, spurred the national economy even more. I want to point out, this is the phenomena that drove America to where it is today. WW2 reshaped the modern family unit from its agrarian roots into the industrial dependents we see today. It often goes unseen to many because most fine folks are too busy looking at the symptoms of problems as opposed to the root cause of failure and thus are lead on a false path for a method of solution, ie: voting for a Democrat or a Republican. The American political party system is incapable of repairing the destruction of the family unit in America. All one needs to see is the rise of divorce rates in America from the 1940's to today: 14% to about 55% per family unit. The fracture of the American family unit has destroyed America; it was lead by the exhilaration of new found wealth and income and an incredible trust of American government leading contemporary social directive dynamics. Along with the gradual decay of the American family unit came even more gradual decay of American society and moral/ethical values has occured leading to contemporary political gridlock. As time continues, even more social progression shall occur as result, too, as the demise for and about the American family unit continues to occur. Simultaneously, of course, as a trust worthy American government (as a world power) stood tall and fast with tenacious resolve as a result of WW2. One of the areas that many folks don't consider is the fundamental reason for American military being everywhere around the world. And it started with the National Security Act of 1947 signed into law by Harry Truman; when he left office, he said it was the worst mistake of his tenure as president. He created the CIA as well as centralized the Department of Defense. Tremendous authority and power was granted to these rogue groups BEGGING for US involvement and military action; they lead American government's response toward world issues; not a president or even Congress. As a result of the National Security Act, America almost immediately became involved with South Korea. And ever since, America has been eternally at war draining America's tax base for nothing in return. The last war America had a formal declaration of war was based on WW2; ever since, Congress rubber-stamps the CIA/DoD requests upto and even including this "0bama" Libya interference issue. So, back to my earlier statement to wrap up my remarcks: We have a decaying American society that largely believes in government which has an overreach of military power around the world. We are still riding on the "shirt-tails" of military victory from the vestiages of WW2. As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.
That's a silly conclusion, since historically it rarely meets the expectations of the instigators.
The American political party system can't repair the social decay of American families and simultaneously it can't remove American troops from around the world or the influences that the CIA has. There is no repair of the two dynamics driving America today: war everywhere and social decay. It took some 60+ years to get where we are as of today and the only remedy is complete destruction of what we know American government is and about. Again, there is only one remedy: total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up. The endless "conservative" vs. "liberal" tug o' war arguments are silly other than entertainment value.
There is no repair of the two dynamics driving America today: war everywhere and social decay. It took some 60+ years to get where we are as of today and the only remedy is complete destruction of what we know American government is and about. Again, there is only one remedy: total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up. The endless "conservative" vs. "liberal" tug o' war arguments are silly other than entertainment value. Because you can't imagine the scenario doesn't mean one doesn't exist. The Capitalist system you so admire thrives on wars and requires an absolute increase in the numbers of consumers in order to exist, so destroying this system to only implement a similiar one will only create the circumstances you say you hate in a few years. Meanwhile we are left weak, divided and vulnerable.
Thanks for your extension overview and explanation of our post-WWII dynamics. As a result of the National Security Act, America almost immediately became involved with South Korea. And ever since, America has been eternally at war draining America's tax base for nothing in return. The last war America had a formal declaration of war was based on WW2; ever since, Congress rubber-stamps the CIA/DoD requests upto and even including this "0bama" Libya interference issue. You nailed it. Ike saw it coming, and so did probably JFK (until his opinion was made redundant.) As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up. Pragmatically speaking, your solution seems to be the only answer to anything that is so totally FUBAR as we obviously are. However, this just won't work in our case. Thus one solution is the dissolution of this nation (as we knew it) in stages and the genesis of newly created state sovereignties through individual legislatures. Of course CWII is a possibility. Because of the Leftist fetish for "multiculturalism" at the expense of American nationalism and sovereignty, we are NOT anywhere near E pluribus unum. We are now Unum E Pluribus - Algore (that moron) had one thing right. Let's just end the charade and have like-minded majorities create the Founders' model on provincial scales. Let the Commies and socialist drown in their own blood.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
The historical characteristics for a rising American economy don't exist anymore with the caveat that someone in the private sector could lead a new technological direction spurring economic activity; since it isn't apparent anywhere, those hopes are a bit optimistic, akin to winning the Lotto. And relying on government intervention is no answer at all. In fact, it never was other than WW2 creating some of the foundations of American wealth in the twentieth century. Today, American government has permitted multinational conglomerates to camp just about everywhere but in the USA. They aren't coming back either. Self-determinism and resolve is the only method of success that can be guaranteed; nothing positive can be expected from any government other than influences of cronies.
The expectations of the "instigators" (the WWII Era Bankster Elites and Leftists) has been met: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. The United States of America no longer a "nation." The United States of America is no longer "United." The so-called "States" are Federally-occupied lebensraum, "united" in name only. Fact is we are a polyglot of aliens sitting on Star Wars cantata barstools pretending to know and like one another.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
There is no repair of the two dynamics driving America today: war everywhere and social decay. It took some 60+ years to get where we are as of today... Dr. Frankenstein would have more of a chance of creating life from a corpse than the Dems and GOP un-doing the 60+ years of the rotting Corpus America. The endless "conservative" vs. "liberal" tug o' war arguments are silly other than entertainment value. I disagree. Conservatives totally understand the problem and solution. They use forums as think-tanks in the hope of providing the best-case scenario other than "starting-from-scratch."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Multiculturalism is another symptom of social decay in America. This socialism shall lead to more devolution of America thus splintering and fragmenting what was once a proud nation. Good point. Over at Robin's nest, I believe I made points about "multiculturalism" concerning the recent issues in Norway; that is to say: strong reaction occurs in society as a result. I made excellent points but not many cared for them as (I suppose) I am not "leftist" enough. ROTFL
I think you "conservatives" are pushing on a rope hoping to accomplish something of significance; that is why I rarely (if ever) comment on those types of threads taking one position or another; for me, it is a waste of time. The two-party system is loaded with compromises; it won't change either. The only way to get things accomplished is by "pulling a rope." That can't happen in America.
While that sounds nice, they are still just platitudes that were rarely able to be successfully implemented. The government of We the People has had a hand in the formation of all the great technologies here in the US, if only to supply a peaceful place for them to transpire and a currency for their valuation.
There has been no time in our history where we did NOT have multiculturism. Only we were calling it the melting pot. Over at Robins YOU indicated you only wanted YOUR brand of multiculturism and when it was pointed out that it was initally met with the same derision you currently hold for others you fled the scene.
Maybe we are; maybe we aren't. Everyone collective becomes a catalyst for one reaction or another. MAYBE you are the final straw that finally breaks the camel's back, Buck. There is no such thing as "Switzerland" in this battle. The two-party system is loaded with compromises; it won't change either. Doesn't appear it will, does it? But crazier things have happened. Without that hope, why bother at forums like this?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Agree. Of course, Bell Labs (AT&T) was awarded US federal grants to design the "transistor." A lot has happened in technology as a result. But what were the reasons? Can you answer that question? Another example is US space travel through the government funded research into private industries (NASA acted as the arm for US grants of scientific research and later technological revolution); but what were the reasons? Can you answer that question? I have no understanding of what you meant to say here; please rephrase.
Sure they do. That's why they spent so much time, effort, and money promoting unelectable imbeciles like Sharron Angle and Christine ODonnell instead of going for a Senate majority. Conservatives talk a good game but thats about it.
Celebrating "multiculturalism" at the expense of undermining and ridiculing our historical Eiropean-Christian underpinnings of American history and our Founders' identity is nothing but a wet-dream of Leftists. It has NEVER been a historical It is a recent phenomenon that's responsible for the dissolution of American nationalism. Congratulations for the chaotic aftermath and Balkanization of all 50 states. We're no longer a "nation," but a tribal mess.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
What good again are RINOs who routinely vote with Democrats? Hey - you go ahead and humor the broad with the LARGE adams apple, LARGE hands, and five o'clock shadow. Nice standards. Me? I prefer the real thing. Conservatives talk a good game but thats about it. You sound as though you're comfortable compromising on a lot of things.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Actually most blacks' ancestors predate those of the founders in the US. And those slavery practices by the "Eiropean-Christian underpinnings" sure were NEVER a source of contention.
Let us review: And I responded: And then I went on to correct you: And your retort: And my reply: You never replied again. I guess you don't enjoy my candid responses.
This is obvious. And by design. Good point. Over at Robin's nest, I believe I made points about "multiculturalism" concerning the recent issues in Norway; that is to say: strong reaction occurs in society as a result. I made excellent points but not many cared for them as (I suppose) I am not "leftist" enough. ROTFL IF your points explained the justification of extinguishing cultural saboteurs as a defense mechanism and instinctive survival reflex, then I agree with you... If I'm wrong, please explain your position.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
There's was no point once you went off on your flat earth tangent.
Nope. There is none about a government that was NEVER intended to be that we see today in America. It is too big. And can't be modified for reduction by existing methods of the two-party system.
Multiculturalism and "the melting pot" are different. The melting pot means you give up your old countries was and adapt to the American culture. Multiculturalism means you keep your own language you mainly associate with people from "the old country".
Every house member is up for reelection every two years. We can change. It will be hard though and it isn't certain.
And, here I thought that you didn't enjoy my remarck within that same post:
You are correct however I didn't use your same or similar words.
NOT relevant to "American culture"; Moreiver, there was no such thing as "multiculturalism" as you stated was "always" a "historical" fact. Those slavery practices by the "Eiropean-Christian underpinnings" sure were NEVER a source of contention. Slavery" isn't a "European-Christian underpinning" of American culture, nor has it EVER been. It was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers. Did you realize that slavery is STILL practiced (of ALL places) IN MOTHER AFRICA? But I note that this disturbs neither you, your fellow Leftists, OR Jesse Jackson OR your Dear Leader, Barry Hussein 0bama because there is NO money, propaganda benefit or ideological gain by addressing it.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Don't worry - I won't indict you with my words.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
With a fractured society voting for these hoodlums? Please explain.
I'm just saying it is possible. Not likely. I've been reading through your posts. You've been making some good points.
Aaaah, now you tell me you hate Rock and Roll. Slavery" isn't a "European-Christian underpinning" of American culture, nor has it EVER been. It was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers. Actually slavery was considered a normal occurrence in the Old and New Testaments. And plantation and other business owners in the USA pre 1860 who owned slaves were most often of European 'underpinning' and Christian.
At Robin's Nest, there seemed to be a sense of "euphoria" when Norway's PM indicated that "more democracy" leads to "more freedom." I say that concept is diametrically opposing to the truth. "More democracy" leads to a police state or less freedom. And in the face of Norway's worst social disaster since WW2, they shall create further restraints upon individual freedoms, rights and liberties.
The slavery practiced in Biblical days was far different that practiced at the start of this nation. The Bible forbid capturing people and enslaving them.
Well, it is too late for you. I have been conspiring behind your back with Moderator X. I think he is getting ready to take over.
Now you are making gross misstatements based on differences of opinions.
The Bible forbid capturing people and enslaving them. Slave owners in the US didn't capture and enslave them, they left the dirty work up to others. They bought them just like the Hebrews did.
Example where this happened. And where it was sanctioned. Please.
On that same thread was my retort to Robin: And then Robin's careful reply: Nope, Robin seems to believe in socialism as a method for American culture improvements while denying how reactionaries eventually lead to resistive characteristics about individual freedoms and liberties through government prevention.
Please. The first one that pops up. "The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated. If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years."
Was an indentured servant a slave?
Did you just figure that out? Or did you know and you were toying with her? I hope it is the latter.
Yet we saw how rampant 'free' Capitalism did the same in the 19th century. Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie. You made a statement of disagreement without any specifics whatsoever especially to what the lie actually is. I would have ignored it, even if it was my opinion.
Only if it was not a Hebrew, but then a Bible thumper like you should already know that.
People used to sell themselves into slavery to pay off debts. Kind of like the indentured servants that came to America to work for a period of time in exchange for passage to the new world.
That makes no sense. Can you help me out and explain it better? Please.
From now on you shall have to ask my good friend, Moderator X for answers to your questions. He understands EVERYTHING because of your own inabilities, now.
You're slow. You just figured it out. lol. Poor buckeroo.
It's in your Bible, look it up yourself. The whole premise of owning slaves besides the economic advantage in the US was that it was okay because it was in the Bible. The old 'Hebrews did it' permission slip.
You quoted no scripture in the post I addressed. You just gave me some goofy answer about the Hebrews. Try again please.
Your words not mine.
No these are your words. They make no sense.
I'll help you out here. What does "not a Hebrew" mean?
Yeah, and look at the downfall of Marxism in countries such as the USSR and China as both are now capitalistic in nature because of their own reserved characteristics. Your idea seems to diminish America as the world's greatest nation today even though we are on a downward curve and certainly understood by all because of the absence of US involvement in banking operations/processes/procedures that was actually spurred on by US authorities via CRA requirements. Of course, US border issues and illegal immigration which CAUSED 9/11 is the entire effort of the US government NOT doing its job, too. I made the statement (as pointed out) but it was intended to lighten the viewpoints into a specific set of considerations. Let me recap: "more democracy" leads to the very problems America is experiencing today. America has lost the republic, in other words.
I am telling you here and now, watch out for your downfall as a dictator of LF. Moderator X is watching your every move. Be very careful.
I'll help you out here. What does "not a Hebrew" mean? Let ME help YOU out whinnyold. The phrase, "not a Hebrew" (sic), means NOTHING in ENGLISH, you fucking gibbering idiot. Maybe in a context it would, but YOU quoted THAT exact phrase, and then asked a simple question, you gibbering libTURD IDIOT. Honest to GOD, you are one absurdly stooopid libTURD bitch!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
YOU: "Actually slavery was considered a normal occurrence in the Old and New Testaments. And plantation and other business owners in the USA pre 1860 who owned slaves were most often of European 'underpinning' and Christian." Please keep this debate in context and tuck your red herrings back into your multicultural Leftist/anti-Christian handbook. AS I stated, slavery in America was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers. Whom do you think hunted down West Africans like animals, caged them, then sold them to Europeans for profit?? Other Africans. But NEVER are they ever blamed for their part in slavery, nor have YOU. At least the Americans and Europeans worked to ban slavery relatively quickly - I'll attribute THAT correction to "Christian underpinnings." Btw, what is your opinion on the African slavery that STILL operates with impunity today?? I hear that they are NOT Christian nor European.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Nice try Dawg, but it's futile. This woman has issues.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You quoted no scripture in the post I addressed. You just gave me some goofy answer about the Hebrews. Try again please. AKA, +1
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Robin's Nest is a Leftist Pit Stop, is it not? I concur 100% with your assessment. A "Democracy" in action means a majority of the lowest denominator vote to micro-manage everyone's else's lives and steal everyone's else's stuff via a militant police state.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
. Don't WE all know it bro? Except that this gibbering libTURD idiot NEVER fails to, well ..., FAIL! In FACT "she" sets stunning new lows with almost every mind suckingly stoopid post this gibbering libTURD idiot makes! OMG! Can you imagine children being around this idiot? "GARBAGE in = GARBAGE out". No wonder America is awash with slack jawed drooling libTURD IDIOTS! YIKES!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
So here is what your position is by your words. An indentured servant is a slave unless he is a hebrew. That makes no sense at all. Why would an indentured servant be a slave if he is a non hebrew but he wouldn't be one if he is a hebrew?
Thanks for the warning buck.
Watch out! Or I shall come back as as Beelzebub's_Grandson@HELL.com to infest your chit-chat forum besides having the hordes of Hades descend upon you as I did at LP. Be very careful.
Good grief...I told you the reason was to take the Senate majority away from the Democrats. You have to be pretty dense not to understand the concept.
What good again are RINOs who routinely vote with Democrats? Good grief...I told you the reason was to take the Senate majority away from the Democrats. You have to be pretty dense not to understand the concept. Yeah, Libby . . . how dense are you, anyway. An "R" Senate majority that floods us in an ocean of red ink and takes away more liberties on a daily basis . . . . . . is MUCH BETTER than a "D" Senate majority that floods us in an ocean of red ink and takes away more liberties on a daily basis. GET WITH THE FREAKING PROGRAM!!
IF RINOs don't vote with other Pubbies, WTH do their the votes matter when they vote with DEMS? HELLO. A lot of good your suggestion did when we were told back in 2004 to endorse RINOs (like Specter and Ahnold.) The GOP owned the Presidency, Senate, and House yet conservatism was shoved backward. Or have you amnesia and forgotten?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
An "R" Senate majority that floods us in an ocean of red ink and takes away more liberties on a daily basis . . . . . . is MUCH BETTER than a "D" Senate majority that floods us in an ocean of red ink and takes away more liberties on a daily basis. GET WITH THE FREAKING PROGRAM!! LOL... T-Bird must be Dem, centrist-RINO him/her/itself, or have a horrible memory.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
True fact..even the bluest RINO votes R when it comes to who they caucus with. The fact that Harry Reid holds a gavel in the US Senate today is because of tea- party intransigence and conservative's inability to count to 51.
If you can't see the difference that Republican control of both houses of Congress would have in stopping the Obama agenda, what right do you have to complain about anything the Obama government does?
You conservative thumbsuckers made your bed when you chose idjits like Sharron Angle to be your standard bearer, its long past time to be whining about the result.
Angle?? LOL! Yeah - The Mortician Reid wuz soooo much better. Uhhh....Time to move on, Sparky. So tell me - what's the NEXT disastrous move of you Messiah-in-Chief? ANY idea how he and your precious Dims will f**k the country up??
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
This grand conservatism you talk about is a figment of your imagination. It doesn't exist and never has. Get over it.
In the Senate?? No way. The fact that Harry Reid holds a gavel in the US Senate today is because of tea- party intransigence and conservative's inability to count to 51. Uh, no. It's because of the usual leftist media propaganda, The Fix and the Union Thugs in Nevada. Reid should have gotten his azz kicked from Reno to Vegas.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
It doesn't exist and never has. NOT when the RNC is controlled by Elitist Gays(R).
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
It doesn't exist and never has. Get over it. Oh.... No..... Not another myth of the right along with those free market fantasies, shredded. I hope you don't send someone jumping with that one.
Union thugs in Nevada?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I wonder if the Nevada Mafia is aware?
No..there were better Republicans available to run against Reid except the tea- party types decided that Angle was a more 'conservative' choice. How long have you been in this stupor about the 2010 elections?
(lib) In the Senate?? No way. Ok...name one Republican who has ever caucused with the Democrats in the US Senate.
You've been brainwashed by talk radio. Any competent Republican could have beaten Harry Reid.
Wake up...stop living in this conservative delusion.
I see you and yukon are comparing CT notes. *snicker*
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Any competent Republican could have beaten Harry Reid. BUZZZZ!! (don't listen to talk radio) BUZZZZ!! Harry Reid's political/Union machine (which includes his own son) along with RNC sandbagging did the trick. Geez, you "moderate" 0bamanoids are soooo damn naive. But it's cute.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I can name Pubbies who ignore GOP caucuses.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Who long have you been attending the Yukon School of RNC Fairy Tales?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
YOU might characterize them as, "hard-working Democrats."
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Nevada is more Libertarian than anything else.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Which made the unlikely re-election of Reid even more puzzling.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Except when you consider who the Republican candidate was.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
IOW..you can't name one Republican who has ever caucused with the Democrats in the US Senate. No surprise here..you seem to have the political IQ of a squirrel.
IOW, you've just made up your own yukonian narrative of a supposed assertion attributed to me. LOL I stated: "I can name Pubbies who ignore GOP caucuses." Oh, and then here's you plying one of your yukonian bag of tricks: T-Bird: "Even the bluest RINO votes R when it comes to who they caucus with." Me: "In the Senate?? No way." Nice try, Yukon Jr.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Angle STILL should have beaten Reid-the-Mortician like a rented mule. You can believe what you want, but again, the collusion of Unions with the Dem Machine and RNC-RINO sandbagging was more than enough to bury Angle or any conservative Pubbie thrown at Reid.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
LOL!
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
No surprise here..you seem to have the political IQ of a squirrel. He's needs to be left alone to take his nap, as he's seeing multiple yukons under his bed again.
Which reminds me - With the multiple number of empty Gilbeys bottles under your bed, have you put much thought into redeeming the deposit money? You must be literally sleeping on thousands of dollars (if in your state you pay a deposit for the bottle. If not, disregard my suggestion.)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I can name Pubbies who ignore GOP caucuses. IOW..you can't name one Republican who has ever caucused with the Democrats in the US Senate. Thunder-gnat's kind of republican Jeffords's was re-elected AS A REPUBLICAN in 2000. In 2001, he decided to caucus WITH THE DEMOCRATS. Looks like youre the one with the political IQ of a . . . gnat?
Must you always answer for Liberator?
You are having visions of what's under my bed too? You DO know the VA does have Psych departments?
We work in shifts - he took the morning, I've got the afternoon. Educating you loons is a full time job. But you and lucysmom already know about shift work. That is, unless you ARE lucysmom . . . . hmmmm. . . .
That is, unless you ARE lucysmom . . . . hmmmm. . . . Believe what you want I love it when you guys are wrong. And Stone goes on vacation and all of a sudden you are the dominant force on this forum after having posted very little for months. Hummmmm
That is, unless you ARE lucysmom . . . . hmmmm. . . . LOL - I mix up the moonbats myself sometimes; Lucy is more polite and...sober, so I know they must be two different moonbats.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Looks like youre the one with the political IQ of a . . . gnat? Oooops!
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
*sigh* MEMO: LF is a an open forum. As always, your collective dopey leftist disinformation, propaganda, and bullsh*t is subject to ridicule by others.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
Actually you were asked the question to ascertain your political abilities. It seems you failed again. And your Goldi Lox excuse doesn't cut it here.
IOW..you can't name one Republican who has ever caucused with the Democrats in the US Senate.
You just got pwned. Deal with it, Loser.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
You better watch it or Libby will think you are yukon.
The guy doesn't seem to even understand the dynamics of the US Senate in a two- party system..I'm not sure just a nap will be enough to lift his stupor.
It amuses me to watch you create your own reality. I suppose there's not much that can be done about that except attend your AA meetings twice a day as you attempt in vain to dry out.
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I don't see that post where YOU named the Senator in question. Maybe it's under my bed with your bottles and the yukons.
Lol! Ok squirrel..if you say so.
HA! It's so quaint that you believe in the "Two-Party" fairy tale. LOOOOVE the "dynamics" of Snowe and Collins and Murkowski. Hey - and how about that Jeffords(R) caucusing with the (D)s, eh? Or how about that Specter(R + D)?
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
I don't see where I posed the question or found it relevant in the first place... lol. (hiccup)
"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama
(hiccup) Why not just say so then?
You just got pwned. Deal with it, Loser. whinyold; I don't see that post where YOU named the Senator in question. Maybe it's under my bed with your bottles and the yukons. Can YOU see THIS you stoopid, lying, libTURD whore? *************************************** "#176. To: Thunderbird (#175) IOW..you can't name one Republican who has ever caucused with the Democrats in the US Senate. IOW, you've just made up your own yukonian narrative of a supposed assertion attributed to me. LOL L; I stated: "I can name Pubbies who ignore GOP caucuses." Oh, and then here's you plying one of your yukonian bag of tricks: T-Bird: "Even the bluest RINO votes R when it comes to who they caucus with." Me: "In the Senate?? No way." Nice try, Yukon Jr." ******************************* You libTURD cunts aren't all that bright are YOU? Oh THAT'S right! I forgot. You libTURDS are LIARS on top of being STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID. Silly me. As you were, you libTURD cunts. Go play in the traffic.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Your manners (as always) ensure a method of excellent communication capability for a mental midget. However, if you want to broaden your dialogue with others, I highly recommend that you "tone" it down a bit. Moderator X is watching over us on LF on this fine Sunday.
Nevadans to Reid: Stop! Thief! By Wes Vernon Democrats in Nevada have been accused of using strong-arm tactics best symbolized in recent years by the likes of ACORN and SEIU, so as to steal the election for Senate Democrat leader Harry Reid. Here Citizen, let me "help you" vote The "funny business" started when voters in Boulder City (near Las Vegas) showed up to cast their (early voting) ballot for Reid's Republican opponent, Sharron Angle. Within five minutes, they reported that Senator Reid's name had already been checked. Joyce Ferrara, one of the Angle voters, dismissed claims by Clark County Registrar Larry Lomax that there is no voter fraud and that "elderly citizens" may find the touch screens "very sensitive." (Translation: "You stupid old people.") "Something is not right," Ferrara insisted. "One person, that's a fluke. Two, that's strange. But several within a five-minute period of time, that's wrong." Outright illegality Cleta Mitchell — candidate Sharron Angle's attorney — charges that "Harry Reid intends to steal this election if he can't win it outright." On behalf of the campaign, Mitchell has demanded investigations into such tactics by Reid supporters as offering free food and Starbucks gift cards for a vote in support of the senator. Ms. Mitchell alleges that Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller — a Democrat — "slammed the door shut on this behavior and issued a public statement permitting these ACORN-style tactics." A few hours later, however, Miller announced that he was launching a probe into Republican allegations of early voting irregularities not only in Clark County, but in Washoe County (Reno) as well. The Angle campaign's supporters — most of them small donors (in contrast to Reid's fat lobbyist/special interest war-chest) — are coughing up the funding required to "deploy literally dozens of election law attorneys and poll watchers to combat these tactics." Secretary of state Traditionally, the office of Secretary of State on the state level has been a rather nondescript, non-controversial office. Not anymore. These are, after all, the people who count the votes. The Left (mainly ACORN) has worked to get "its own people" to seek that office, figuring that when it comes time to steal elections, their tactics can get an official stamp of approval — deserved or not. Nevada's Miller, however, cites his own legal battles with ACORN months ago. Cleta Mitchell — one of the best election law barristers in the country — cites Nevada Law (NRS 293.700) which provides that "A person who bribes, offers to bribe, or uses any other corrupt means directly or indirectly, to influence any elector in giving his or her vote or to deter the elector from giving it is guilty of a category D felony, and shall be punished as provided in NRS.193.130." Miller says so far there is "no evidence" of the chicanery. So what does that say to the honest Nevada voter? If you suspect your vote may be being canceled out by an ACORN goon, better show up at the voting booth with a camera, a lawyer, and a notary public? Just to compound the suspicion 1 — Clark County, home of 75 percent of Nevada voters, is where Harry Reid's son Rory — a gubernatorial candidate — is also a county commissioner. 2 — The voting machine technicians in Clark County are members of the SEIU. 3 — In Nevada alone, the SEIU has given $500,000 to the Harry Reid campaign against Sharron Angle — perfectly legal but relevant to the above-cited circumstances. Washington Examiner columnist Mark Hemingway writes that while there is "no verifiable evidence of chicanery with the voting machines (yet)," all this raises the question: Should SEIU members be responsible for tabulating votes? Is there "an appearance" of conflict of interest? (Hmmmm. SEIU icon Andy Stern is reportedly the most frequent visitor to the White House? Hello. Fawncy meeting you here!)
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
So who is Moderator X????
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
My Majiick 8 ball says:
But the outcome shouldn’t surprise. Obama took single-payer off the table before health care talks even began, and this time, he nixed the 14th Amendment option even quicker. If you’re looking to score on a used-car deal, this is the guy you want to negotiate with.
#2. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#0)
Can you believe this guy writes for a metropolitan daily?
#3. To: We The People (#2)
He's a fine member of the US Government's Dept of Propaganda.
#4. To: Thunderbird (#3)
Well..the writer also takes a couple of swings at the President and at Sen. Schumer so he isn't going to win any Faux News awards but he isn't pulling any punches either.
#5. To: We The People (#4)
Like I said, he's being far too kind, pretending that Obama is simply inept.
#6. To: Thunderbird (#5)
He called him a used car salesman...and a poor one at that.
#7. To: We The People (#6)
When in fact he is a globalist, one worlder, socialist/communist traitor to the free, capitalist nation he was elected to lead.
#8. To: mininggold (#7)
(Edited)
Where in the constitution does it say we are a capitalist nation?
#9. To: We The People (#2)
Can you believe this guy writes for a metropolitan daily?
#10. To: We The People (#8)
You'd also have to know that the folks who wrote it valued life, liberty and property and wrote it (the US Constitution) in such a way that it shapes and designs our government to protect those things.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#11. To: mininggold, We The People (#7)
Where in the constitution does it say we are a capitalist nation?
#12. To: war (#10)
You'd also have to know that the folks who wrote it valued life, liberty and property and wrote it (the US Constitution) in such a way that it shapes and designs our government to protect those things.
#13. To: We The People (#12)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#14. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#9)
Newspapers such as this one illustrate the problem we have, and perhaps why it is insurmountable short of absolute economic calamity.
#15. To: We The People, mininggold (#8)
("Where in the constitution does it say we are a capitalist nation?")
#16. To: Liberator (#11)
(Edited)
Oh, I forgot - the American Founders were Communists and the Constitution written by Lenin and Marx.
#17. To: war (#13)
I heard that you recently had your sanity verified by running afoul of Goldi...
#18. To: Liberator (#15)
Though how you characterized the tenets of the Constitution sounds noble, you must obviously work for the Koch brothers, you conservative shill.
#19. To: mininggold (#16)
Small business mercantilism was the most popular economic system used during the founding days. The revolution was actually fought against the instituting of large corporate cronyism on the colonies by England.
#20. To: We The People , Liberator (#18)
Oh man, you guys are in great form today.
#21. To: Thunderbird (#19)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#22. To: Thunderbird, Skip intro and go directly do democrat talking points (#14)
(Edited)
I thought...
Teabagger Check
#23. To: Get Outta Dodge!, Thunderbird, Skip Intro (#22)
(Edited)
No evidence of that.
#24. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#22)
Looks like your mindless drone points are in order.
#25. To: mininggold (#23)
Why do you hate forum discussion and the First Amendment so much that you feel compelled to interfere and distract with another of your mindless quibs?
#26. To: We The People (#8)
Where in the constitution does it say we are a capitalist nation? Is that a rhetorical question?
#27. To: We The People (#25)
(Edited)
You weren't looking to discuss anything. You thought you had a gotcha moment and pulled the trigger. Not faulting you for that, I'm just saying that if you're going to do that, then you shouldn't complain about the tactics of others.
#28. To: mininggold (#23)
Why do you hate forum discussion and the First Amendment so much that you feel compelled to interfere and distract with another of your mindless quibs?
#29. To: We The People (#25)
You have to admit that your question of capitalism in the US Constitution was, well, let's just say it wasn't honest discussion.
#30. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#28)
I'm here, ming.
#31. To: Thunderbird (#24)
Meanwhile, you've yet to explain why an editorial in a money-making newspaper is your biggest "problem", or why economic calamity might be the only "answer".
#32. To: mininggold (#30)
I'm here, ming.
#33. To: mininggold (#26)
If you knew your history you would know we fought a Revolutionary War against rugged, unfettered, global capitalistism which had already resulted in a true TEA PARTY revolt.
#34. To: Thunderbird (#29)
The point being made was that your smuggled assumption about this country and capitalism was false.
#35. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#31)
I did explain it in post #9.
#36. To: Thunderbird (#35)
#37. To: We The People (#34)
I'd say that is yet to be proven.
#38. To: We The People (#33)
That's crazy. We did not fight a revolutionary war against global capitalism.
#39. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#36)
Buh bye
#40. To: Thunderbird, war (#37)
I'd say that is yet to be proven.
#41. To: Thunderbird (#37)
The second thing the first American Congress did was enact a tariff.
#42. To: mininggold (#38)
That's crazy. We did not fight a revolutionary war against global capitalism.
#43. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#0)
can you believe this was written by an adult?
#44. To: We The People, Thunderbird, Goodwinson, calcon (#40)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#45. To: war (#44)
I'm Switzerland.
#46. To: no gnu taxes (#43)
can you believe this was written by an adult?
#47. To: We The People (#42)
(Edited)
Are you sure?
#48. To: We The People (#45)
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
#49. To: We The People (#40)
Listen, if I've posted something to offend you, I apologize. The very fact that I have to say that, offends me.
#50. To: mininggold, We The People (#48)
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
#51. To: We The People (#41)
As a matter of fact, it does.
#52. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#50)
(Edited)
Excellent question, Ming. I'm serious
#53. To: mininggold (#16)
Neither [Lenin or Marx] were even born at the time [of the writing of the Constitution].
#54. To: We The People (#17)
Yes, I was a bad boy again. This time it's terminal. Unless I decide it isn't. ;o)
#55. To: Thunderbird (#19)
Now there you go asking a teabagger to think..that usually doesn't end well.
#56. To: mininggold, We The People (#20)
Liberator is always short on facts, which is why she substitutes her quibs for actual discussion.
#57. To: war (#21)
...and have a sense of REAL history...
#58. To: Get Outta Dodge!, Thunderbird, Skip intro (#22)
To: Skip intro and go directly do democrat talking points
Teabagger Check
"Palin is the leader of Teabagger Terrorists!!" CHECK
#59. To: Liberator (#55)
By chance are you Willie Green's "life-partner"?
#60. To: mininggold, We The People (#52)
(m.g.): Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
#61. To: mininggold, Get Outta Dodge! (#23)
Why do you hate forum discussion and the First Amendment so much that you feel compelled to interfere and distract with another of your mindless quibs?. You too, have been called on to back up your distractions and have been proven to be another empty suit.
#62. To: Thunderbird (#59)
(Edited)
I thought Choo Choo Willie's life partner was named Lionel.
#63. To: Liberator (#58)
Add two more daily talking points drivel:
#64. To: Liberator (#62)
I endorse heavy tariffs on imported slave-labor goods.
#65. To: Get Outta Dodge!, mininggold (#60)
Why do you say that? Other than a general philosophy that gov't is too big and spends too much, the "tea party" (actually not a party in the political sense, but an amalgamation) is far from monolithic.
#66. To: Liberator (#62)
I endorse heavy tariffs on imported slave-labor goods.
#67. To: Liberator (#65)
Tell you what - If you'll admit that at least SOME in the "tea-party" are honest and upstanding, I'll do the same (((gulp))) for liberals.
#68. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63)
(Edited)
We'll probably have a list of about 50 or so before they start being recycled. I'll set up my DVR to record MSNBC this evening. That should add about 35 or so.
#69. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#67)
My dear sister (bless her heart) is a lib. Probably one of those who think Obama is too "centrist."
#70. To: Thunderbird (#66)
(Edited)
Me, I'd rather pay a little more for goods manufactured in the United States than see whole regions of the nation get thrown out of work. Steel is a good example where tariffs make sense (imo), especially when the foreign exporter is dumping their product to grab market share.
#71. To: buckeroo (#64)
You posed a perfect question, too [re: imposing heavy tariffs].
#72. To: mininggold (#47)
Please don't use Wikipedia as a source.
#73. To: Thunderbird, Mininggold (#49)
Of course, its a very common tactic to take offense
#74. To: Thunderbird (#51)
Ok...Why do you think protectionism and capitalism go hand in hand?
#75. To: Liberator (#69)
My sympathies....
have NO pure liberal relatives - and very few in my extended family.
Could you imagine being MARRIED to one? AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH! (I'm not, BTW. My lovely wife is sane)
#76. To: Thunderbird, Mininggold (#51)
Ok...Why do you think protectionism and capitalism go hand in hand?
#77. To: mininggold (#27)
Your advanced degree in LP training has you thinking everyone not an avid Teabagger has to be one of those nasty lefties. But all you have to do to prove your theory is dispute my statements with facts not innuendo.
#78. To: mininggold (#27)
Your advanced degree in LP training has you thinking everyone not an avid Teabagger has to be one of those nasty lefties.
#79. To: We The People, mininggold (#78)
You mean, if you had actually made any statements that were anything other than jibberish?
#80. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#75)
We DEFINITELY avoid political discussions!
#81. To: We The People (#78)
(Edited)
You were posting on LP when I got there.
#82. To: mininggold (#81)
BTW why don't you answer my pertinent question regarding why your candidates have not sponsored legislation to end the wars, since you guys are so gung ho on stopping needless spending.
#83. To: mininggold (#81)
Too bad you have to resort to MORE innuendo and name calling when you run out of argumernts.
#84. To: mininggold (#81)
why don't you answer my pertinent question regarding why your candidates have not sponsored legislation to end the wars, since you guys are so gung ho on stopping needless spending.
#85. To: We The People (#83)
(Edited)
What's too bad is that you appear to have gone completely insane.
#86. To: Liberator (#71)
Liberator wrote:: It is [in]credible what these people in government have done to America.
buckeroo wrote: It is credible what these people in government have done to America, [too].
1) the Great Depression was eliminated for the USA, and
buckeroo wrote: It is credible what these people in government have done to America, [too].
#87. To: buckeroo (#86)
As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.
#88. To: mininggold (#87)
That's a silly conclusion
#89. To: buckeroo (#88)
(Edited)
The American political party system can't repair the social decay of American families and simultaneously it can't remove American troops from around the world or the influences that the CIA has.
#90. To: buckeroo (#86)
#91. To: mininggold (#89)
Because you can't imagine the scenario doesn't mean one doesn't exist.
The Capitalist system you so admire thrives on wars and requires an absolute increase in the numbers of consumers in order to exist, so destroying this system to only implement a similiar one will only create the circumstances you say you hate in a few years. Meanwhile we are left weak, divided and vulnerable.
#92. To: mininggold, buckeroo, LF (#87)
the expectations of the instigators.
#93. To: buckeroo (#88)
The American political party system can't repair the social decay of American families and simultaneously it can't remove American troops from around the world or the influences that the CIA has.
#94. To: Liberator (#90)
Because of the Leftist fetish for "multiculturalism" at the expense of American nationalism and sovereignty
#95. To: Liberator (#93)
Conservatives totally understand the problem and solution. They use forums as think-tanks in the hope of providing the best-case scenario other than "starting-from-scratch."
#96. To: buckeroo (#91)
Self-determinism and resolve is the only method of success that can be guaranteed; nothing positive can be expected from any government other than influences of cronies.
#97. To: buckeroo (#94)
(Edited)
Multiculturalism is another symptom of social decay in America. This socialism shall lead to more devolution of America thus splintering and fragmenting what was once a proud nation.
#98. To: buckeroo (#95)
I think you "conservatives" are pushing on a rope hoping to accomplish something of significance; that is why I rarely (if ever) comment on those types of threads taking one position or another; for me, it is a waste of time.
#99. To: mininggold (#96)
The government of We the People has had a hand in the formation of all the great technologies here in the US....
.... if only to supply a peaceful place for them to transpire and a currency for their valuation.
#100. To: Liberator (#93)
Conservatives totally understand the problem and solution.
#101. To: mininggold (#97)
There has been no time in our history where we did NOT have multiculturism.
#102. To: Thunderbird (#100)
(Edited)
Conservatives....promoting unelectable imbeciles like Sharron Angle and Christine ODonnell instead of going for a Senate majority.
#103. To: Liberator (#101)
Celebrating "multiculturalism" at the expense of undermining and ridiculing our historical Eiropean-Christian underpinnings of American history and our Founders' identity is nothing but a wet-dream of Leftists. It has NEVER been a historical
#104. To: mininggold (#97)
Over at Robins YOU indicated you only wanted YOUR brand of multiculturism and when it was pointed out that it was initally met with the same derision you currently hold for others you fled the scene.
#59. To: buckeroo (#56)
I am not going out of my way to cite a specific example of your own mis-characterization of the issues that are on-going in Norway. But, this issue(s) presented are immense as any society attempts to regulate personal freedoms and liberties; I already mentioned that the use of government force to integrate a society creates "backlash" which causes these same issues.
That damned constitution even let all the Irish riff raff in.
You say you are of the Irish race, so you need to go back to your race's original homeland to make good on your thesis.
mininggold posted on 2011-07-23 14:18:25 ET
#61. To: mininggold (#59)
That damned constitution even let all the Irish riff raff in.
Most of that "integration" was during the GREAT WAR period, circa 1850s and 1860s. It really wasn't a "spark" of the Irish to immigrate to the US but because of the Potatoe Famine, largely caused by the British. And even then the Irish men and some children were quickly snapped upped into the Union's Army for landing in America to serve under America's first GOP President Abe Lincoln the GREAT KILLER.
You say you are of the Irish race, so you need to go back to your race's original homeland to make good on your thesis.
Thanks for the recommendation.
buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 14:39:52 ET
#62. To: mininggold (#59)
And I want to clarify a popular misconception about people for you. 'Race' is not based on national heritage; it is based on obvious biological differences.
You are gravely mistaken in other words.
buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 14:46:52 ET
#63. To: buckeroo (#62)
And I want to clarify a popular misconception about people for you. 'Race' is not based on national heritage; it is based on obvious biological differences.
You are gravely mistaken in other words.
Actually before the advent of modern science it was based on whatever anyone in a position to make the rules wanted it to be. Much the same as it is now. As far as DNA differences are concerned there are virtually none that can't be attributed to as environmental adaptations.
The Irish race is different from all other races in it's ability to handle and metabolize ETOH and there is a preponderance of an occurrence of red hair and ruddy complexions. Two characteristics that don't appear together in any other race.
mininggold posted on 2011-07-23 14:57:08 ET
#65. To: mininggold (#63)
Actually before the advent of modern science it was based on whatever anyone in a position to make the rules wanted it to be. Much the same as it is now. As far as DNA differences are concerned there are virtually none that can't be attributed to as environmental adaptations.
I suppose you can maintain the Earth is flat and the Universe revolves around the Earth if you go back far enough; you are becoming defensive.
The Irish race is different from all other races in it's ability to handle and metabolize ETOH and there is a preponderance of an occurrence of red hair and ruddy complexions. Two characteristics that don't appear together in any other race.
Well, you left out the obvious facts that we enjoy Guinness malts and Bushmills fine refreshments. I particularly enjoy Red Breast but that is my own preference.
buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 15:07:37 ET
#105. To: buckeroo (#94)
Multiculturalism is another symptom of social decay in America. This socialism shall lead to more devolution of America thus splintering and fragmenting what was once a proud nation.
#106. To: buckeroo (#104)
(Edited)
You never replied again. I guess you don't enjoy my candid responses.
#107. To: Liberator (#98)
Doesn't appear it will, does it?
#108. To: mininggold (#97)
There has been no time in our history where we did NOT have multiculturism. Only we were calling it the melting pot.
#109. To: buckeroo (#107)
And can't be modified for reduction by existing methods of the two-party system.
#110. To: mininggold (#106)
Well, you left out the obvious facts that we enjoy Guinness malts and Bushmills fine refreshments. I particularly enjoy Red Breast but that is my own preference.
#111. To: Liberator (#105)
IF your points explained the justification of extinguishing cultural saboteurs as a defense mechanism and instinctive survival reflex, then I agree with you...
#112. To: mininggold (#103)
(Edited)
Actually most blacks' ancestors predate those of the founders in the US.
#113. To: buckeroo (#111)
You are correct however I didn't use your same or similar words.
#114. To: A K A Stone (#109)
Every house member is up for reelection every two years. We can change.
#115. To: buckeroo (#114)
With a fractured society voting for these hoodlums? Please explain.
#116. To: Liberator (#112)
NOT relevant to "American culture"; Moreiver, there was no such thing as "multiculturalism" as you stated was "always" a "historical" fact.
#117. To: Liberator (#113)
#118. To: mininggold (#116)
Actually slavery was considered a normal occurrence in the Old and New Testaments. And plantation and other business owners in the USA pre 1860 who owned slaves were most often of European 'underpinning' and Christian.
#119. To: A K A Stone (#115)
You've been making some good points.
#120. To: buckeroo (#117)
At Robin's Nest, there seemed to be a sense of "euphoria" when Norway's PM indicated that "more democracy" leads to "more freedom." I say that concept is diametrically opposing to the truth. "More democracy" leads to a police state or less freedom. And in the face of Norway's worst social disaster since WW2, they shall create further restraints upon individual freedoms, rights and liberties.
#121. To: A K A Stone (#118)
(Edited)
The slavery practiced in Biblical days was far different that practiced at the start of this nation.
#122. To: mininggold (#121)
They bought them just like the Hebrews did.
#123. To: mininggold (#120)
Now you are making gross misstatements based on differences of opinions.
#6. To: Robin (#5)
"The answer to violence, is even more democracy. Even more humanity"
Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.
buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 9:54:06 ET
#8. To: buckeroo (#6)
Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.
Considering the usual "war on terror", UnPatriot Act, knee-jerk reaction, I think he's very clever to get out in front of demands for protection that remove all liberty and freedom. IOW, the path America took, Norwegians are rejecting.
And the PM's other statement, makes it clear, that he's not backing-down on Norway's multiculturalism either.
"The answer to violence, is even more democracy. Even more humanity". "It's important to bear in mind that not all young white men are potential terrorists" -- Jens Stoltenberg, Norwegian Prime Minister"
Robin posted on 2011-07-23 9:58:48 ET Reply
#124. To: A K A Stone (#122)
Example where this happened. And where it was sanctioned.
#125. To: mininggold (#124)
#126. To: buckeroo (#123)
Nope, Robin seems to believe in socialism as a method for American culture improvements
#127. To: buckeroo (#123)
(Edited)
Nope, Robin seems to believe in socialism as a method for American culture improvements while denying how reactionaries eventually lead to resistive characteristics about individual freedoms and liberties through government prevention.
#128. To: A K A Stone (#125)
Was an indentured servant a slave?
#129. To: mininggold (#128)
#130. To: mininggold (#128)
Only if it was not a Hebrew
#131. To: A K A Stone (#126)
Did you just figure that out? Or did you know and you were toying with her? I hope it is the latter.
#132. To: buckeroo (#131)
#133. To: A K A Stone (#130)
#134. To: mininggold (#133)
It's in your Bible, look it up yourself.
#135. To: A K A Stone (#134)
(Edited)
You quoted no scripture in the post I addressed. You just gave me some goofy answer about the Hebrews.
#136. To: mininggold (#135)
Only if it was not a Hebrew,
#137. To: A K A Stone (#136)
No these are your words. They make no sense.
#138. To: mininggold (#127)
Yet we saw how rampant 'free' Capitalism did the same in the 19th century.
Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.
You made a statement of disagreement without any specifics whatsoever especially to what the lie actually is. I would have ignored it, even if it was my opinion.
#139. To: A K A Stone (#132)
Poor buckeroo.
#140. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#137)
No these are your words. They make no sense.
#141. To: mininggold (#116)
ME: "Slavery" isn't a "European-Christian underpinning" of American culture, nor has it EVER been. It was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers.
#142. To: Mad Dog, mininggold (#140)
Let ME help YOU out whinnyold....
#143. To: A K A Stone, mininggold (#134)
("It's in your Bible, look it up yourself.")
#144. To: buckeroo (#117)
At Robin's Nest, there seemed to be a sense of "euphoria" when Norway's PM indicated that "more democracy" leads to "more freedom." I say that concept is diametrically opposing to the truth. "More democracy" leads to a police state or less freedom. And in the face of Norway's worst social disaster since WW2, they shall create further restraints upon individual freedoms, rights and liberties.
#145. To: Liberator (#142)
#146. To: mininggold (#137)
I'll help you out here. What does "not a Hebrew" mean?
#147. To: buckeroo, Moderator X (#139)
I am telling you here and now, watch out for your downfall as a dictator of LF. Moderator X is watching your every move. Be very careful.
#148. To: A K A Stone (#147)
Thanks for the warning buck.
#149. To: Liberator (#102)
What good again are RINOs who routinely vote with Democrats?
#150. To: Thundergnat, Liberator (#149)
#151. To: Thunderbird (#149)
(Edited)
Good grief...I told you the reason was to take the Senate majority away from the Democrats. You have to be pretty dense not to understand the concept.
#152. To: Get Outta Dodge!, T-Bird (#150)
Yeah, Libby . . . how dense are you, anyway.
#153. To: Liberator (#151)
IF RINOs don't vote with other Pubbies, WTH do their the votes matter when they vote with DEMS?
#154. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#150)
#155. To: Liberator (#152)
T-Bird must be Dem, centrist-RINO him/her/itself, or have a horrible memory.
#156. To: Thunderbird (#155)
You conservative thumbsuckers made your bed when you chose idjits like Sharron Angle to be your standard bearer, its long past time to be whining about the result.
#157. To: Liberator (#151)
The GOP owned the Presidency, Senate, and House yet conservatism was shoved backward.
#158. To: Thunderbird (#153)
Even the bluest RINO votes R when it comes to who they caucus with.
#159. To: Thunderbird (#157)
This grand conservatism you talk about is a figment of your imagination.
#160. To: Thunderbird (#157)
This grand conservatism you talk about is a figment of your imagination.
#161. To: Liberator (#158)
...The Fix and the Union Thugs in Nevada. Reid should have gotten his azz kicked from Reno to Vegas.
#162. To: lucysmom (#161)
Union thugs in Nevada?
#163. To: Liberator (#156)
Angle?? LOL! Yeah - The Mortician Reid wuz soooo much better. Uhhh....Time to move on, Sparky.
#164. To: Liberator (#158)
(tb) Even the bluest RINO votes R when it comes to who they caucus with.
#165. To: Liberator (#158)
Uh, no. It's because of the usual leftist media propaganda, The Fix and the Union Thugs in Nevada. Reid should have gotten his azz kicked from Reno to Vegas.
#166. To: Liberator (#159)
NOT when the RNC is controlled by Elitist Gays(R).
#167. To: Thunderbird (#166)
Wake up...stop living in this conservative delusion.
#168. To: Thunderbird (#165)
(Edited)
You've been brainwashed by talk radio.
#169. To: Thunderbird (#164)
Ok...name one Republican who has ever caucused with the Democrats in the US Senate.
#170. To: Thunderbird (#163)
How long have you been in this stupor about the 2010 elections?
#171. To: lucysmom (#161)
Union thugs in Nevada?
#172. To: Liberator (#171)
YOU might characterize them as, "hard-working Democrats."
#173. To: lucysmom (#172)
Nevada is more Libertarian than anything else.
#174. To: Liberator (#173)
Which made the unlikely re-election of Reid even more puzzling.
#175. To: Liberator (#169)
(Edited)
I can name Pubbies who ignore GOP caucuses.
#176. To: Thunderbird (#175)
IOW..you can't name one Republican who has ever caucused with the Democrats in the US Senate.
#177. To: lucysmom (#174)
#178. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#148)
Watch out! Or I shall come back as as Beelzebub's_Grandson@HELL.com to infest your chit-chat forum besides having the hordes of Hades descend upon you as I did at LP.
#179. To: Thunderbird (#175)
IOW..you can't name one Republican who has ever caucused with the Democrats in the US Senate.
#180. To: mininggold (#179)
....he's seeing multiple yukons under his bed again.
#181. To: Thunder-gnat, Liberator (#175)
"My o my, what's a party hack to do
When the party hack he elects, proceeds to screw?
#182. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#181)
Jeffords's was re-elected AS A REPUBLICAN in 2000. In 2001, he decided to caucus WITH THE DEMOCRATS.
#183. To: Liberator (#180)
(Edited)
Which reminds me - With the multiple number of empty Gilbeys bottles under your bed, have you put much thought into redeeming the deposit money? You must be literally sleeping on thousands of dollars (if in your state you pay a deposit for the bottle. If not, disregard my suggestion.)
#184. To: mininggold aka lucysmom, Liberator (#182)
Must you always answer for Liberator?
#185. To: Get Outta Dodge!, buckeroo (#184)
(Edited)
But you and lucysmom already know about shift work.
#186. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#184)
But you and lucysmom already know about shift work.
#187. To: Get Outta Dodge!, T-Gnat (#181)
#188. To: mininggold, Get Outta Dodge!, Thunderbird (#182)
Must you always answer for Liberator?
#189. To: Liberator (#188)
LF is a an open forum. As always, your collective dopey leftist disinformation, propaganda, and bullsh*t is subject to ridicule by others
#190. To: mininggold (#185)
And Stone goes on vacation and all of a sudden you are the dominant force on this forum after having posted very little for months. Hummmmm
#191. To: Liberator (#176)
#192. To: Thunderbird (#191)
#193. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#190)
#194. To: mininggold (#179)
He's needs to be left alone to take his nap, as he's seeing multiple yukons under his bed again.
#195. To: mininggold (#189)
Actually you were asked the question to ascertain your political abilities.
#196. To: Liberator (#192)
(Edited)
You just got pwned. Deal with it, Loser.
#197. To: Liberator (#192)
You just got pwned. Deal with it, Loser.
#198. To: Thunderbird (#194)
The guy doesn't seem to even understand the dynamics of the US Senate in a two- party system..
#199. To: mininggold (#196)
I don't see that post where YOU named the Senator in question.
#200. To: Liberator (#199)
I don't see where I posed the question or found it relevant in the first place... lol.
#201. To: mininggold, paganpink, Liberator (#196)
#202. To: Mad Dog, Moderator X (#201)
(Edited)
#203. To: Liberator (#177)
You can believe what you want, but again, the collusion of Unions with the Dem Machine and RNC-RINO sandbagging was more than enough to bury Angle or any conservative Pubbie thrown at Reid.
#204. To: buckeroo (#202)
Moderator X is watching over us on LF on this fine Sunday.
#205. To: CZ82 (#204)
So who is Moderator X????
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