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Title: Get ready to pay dearly for the ‘deal’ (can you believe this was written by an adult?)
Source: Buffalo News, (a.k.a. Lake Erie Pravda)
URL Source: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/columns/rod-watson/article511557.ece
Published: Aug 4, 2011
Author: Rod Watson
Post Date: 2011-08-05 09:27:04 by Get Outta Dodge!
Keywords: None
Views: 136551
Comments: 205

First “they came for the socialists. . . .” And they got them . . . and the progressives, and the moderates, and the entire middle and working classes, not to mention the economy itself. They got them all.

While Pastor Martin Niemoller’s famous quote referred to the Nazis, it could just as easily be applied to the tea party extremists who rolled President Obama and Democrats in a “deal” that will have dire consequences for a poor, job-hungry city such as Buffalo.

Obama broke a cardinal rule of presidents: Never negotiate with terrorists. But using the word “negotiate” may be giving this White House too much credit.

Afraid that a small band of tea party radicals would blow up the economy, feckless Democrats who have no idea how to craft a message simply caved instead of getting out front in the debate.

Who’ll pay for their timidity? You will, if you need help with your heating bill, want Western New York’s transportation network maintained, or don’t want education on the chopping block.

Buffalo Niagara gets millions in everything from transit aid to block grants for economic development. All such programs face added jeopardy because the president went back on his vow to demand the balanced approach of cuts and revenues that polls show most Americans want.

It’s one thing not to be able to lead people where they don’t want to go. It’s quite another not to be able to lead them in the direction they’re already pointing.

Instead, this deal—composed entirely ofcuts— will hurt older, poorer cities such as Buffalo and slow economic growth even more while doing nothing to create jobs.

In fact, it will cost jobs. The Economic Policy Institute says the plan’s failure to extend emergency unemployment benefits and the payroll tax holiday—the one tax cut that should have been included— will lower the GDP by a combined 1.2 percent and cost 1.5 million jobs next year.

Try telling the 7.7 percent of Western New Yorkers—and 10.2 percent of Buffalonians— who are looking for work that this makes sense.

And now that they’ve tasted blood— yours, if you’re not wealthy—the extremists will be back for more. With plans to stack the new “supercommittee” with members opposed to raising revenue, it’s possible the right wing will even sacrifice defense by triggering the $1.2 trillion in across-the-board cuts that result absent any other deal.

In other words, the damage has only begun as we transition to government by minority rule. At a time when the economy needs to be juiced, Washington will be run by those who drank the Kool-Aid.

And where were Chuck “Press Re-lease a Day” Schumer or other Democratic leaders—including the president —who could counter the right-wing nonsense machine and put so much heat on the non-crazy part of the GOP that the debate never would have come to this?

Obama’s somnolent “let your member of Congress know” had some last-minute effect. But imagine how a real leader—say, a progressive equivalent of Ronald Reagan—would have taken control of this debate upfront.

But the outcome shouldn’t surprise. Obama took single-payer off the table before health care talks even began, and this time, he nixed the 14th Amendment option even quicker. If you’re looking to score on a used-car deal, this is the guy you want to negotiate with.

In the meantime, optimists think we’ll now have a grand debate about the role of government as the rest of the deal is hashed out before the 2012 election. But that would require forceful leadership with the stomach for that debate.

Unfortunately for poor cities such as Buffalo, what we have instead are Obama and Harry Reid.

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Ohhhhhhhhhh . . . Tea Partiers are Nazis. How original.

Can you believe this guy writes for a metropolitan daily?

(Yeah, I guess I can.)

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#2. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#0)

Can you believe this guy writes for a metropolitan daily?

Absolutely.

He's a fine member of the US Government's Dept of Propaganda.

We The People  posted on  2011-08-05   11:27:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: We The People (#2)

He's a fine member of the US Government's Dept of Propaganda.

Well..the writer also takes a couple of swings at the President and at Sen. Schumer so he isn't going to win any Faux News awards but he isn't pulling any punches either.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-05   11:41:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Thunderbird (#3)

Well..the writer also takes a couple of swings at the President and at Sen. Schumer so he isn't going to win any Faux News awards but he isn't pulling any punches either.

Not pulling punches?

He's pulling ALL the knockout punches.

Like I said, he's being far too kind, pretending that Obama is simply inept.

We The People  posted on  2011-08-05   11:42:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: We The People (#4)

Like I said, he's being far too kind, pretending that Obama is simply inept.

Lol! He called him a used car salesman...and a poor one at that. Thats not close to being Dept. of Propoganda material.

The tea-party / terrorist analogy over the debt ceiling negotiations is apt btw, although I prefer to the term hostaage takers.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-05   11:50:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Thunderbird (#5)

He called him a used car salesman...and a poor one at that.

When in fact he is a globalist, one worlder, socialist/communist traitor to the free, capitalist nation he was elected to lead. Now are you starting to get it?

The tea-party / terrorist analogy over the debt ceiling negotiations is apt btw

OK, well, have a great day.

We The People  posted on  2011-08-05   11:59:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: We The People (#6)

When in fact he is a globalist, one worlder, socialist/communist traitor to the free, capitalist nation he was elected to lead.

Where in the constitution does it say we are a capitalist nation?

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-05   12:03:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mininggold, We The People (#7)

Where in the constitution does it say we are a capitalist nation?

Oh, I forgot - the American Founders were Communists and the Constitution written by Lenin and Marx.

You're right....

Twit.

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-05   12:30:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#11) (Edited)

Oh, I forgot - the American Founders were Communists and the Constitution written by Lenin and Marx.

You're right....

Twit.

Neither were even born at the time. Instead on of being your usual blowhard self just show me where it's mentioned in the constitution.

Small business mercantilism was the most popular economic system used during the founding days. The revolution was actually fought against the instituting of large corporate cronyism on the colonies by England.

You do remember that Tea Party? and I don't mean the current phonies.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-05   12:39:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mininggold (#16)

Small business mercantilism was the most popular economic system used during the founding days. The revolution was actually fought against the instituting of large corporate cronyism on the colonies by England.

Now there you go asking a teabagger to think..that usually doesn't end well.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-05   12:44:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Thunderbird (#19)

Now there you go asking a teabagger to think..that usually doesn't end well.

OUCH! A "teabagger" crack that was indirectly aimed at my "teabag."

By chance are you Willie Green's "life-partner"?

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-05   16:16:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#55)

By chance are you Willie Green's "life-partner"?

Nah...I thought Choo Choo Willie's life partner was named Lionel.

Any thoughts on protectionism as a "capitalist" endevour?

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-05   16:34:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Thunderbird (#59) (Edited)

I thought Choo Choo Willie's life partner was named Lionel.

Lol...but ONLY if he's in a Union.

Any thoughts on protectionism as a "capitalist" endevour?

yes.

I endorse heavy tariffs on imported slave-labor goods.

And you??

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-05   16:40:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator (#62)

I endorse heavy tariffs on imported slave-labor goods.

You posed a perfect question, too. Was Congress out on the golf course with their lobbyists for all these years? Through the last 40+ years they certainly have ensured ALL citizens are victims to the trade imbalances while American government created all kinds of tax incentives for off-shore multinationals WHILE importing cheap labour.

It is credible what these people in government have done to America.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-05   16:47:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeroo (#64)

You posed a perfect question, too [re: imposing heavy tariffs].

Was Congress out on the golf course with their lobbyists for all these years? Through the last 40+ years they certainly have ensured ALL citizens are victims to the trade imbalances while American government created all kinds of tax incentives for off-shore multinationals WHILE importing cheap labour.

It is [in]credible what these people in government have done to America.

You're absolutely right, Buck...

Our so-called "peoples' representatives" sacrificed and sabotaged American industry, manufacturing, and obviously our national economic sovereignty....for the sake of their lobbying fees, hookers, and golf course perks.

Our own politicians represented FOREIGN INTERESTS over America. This makes them as much a traitor to America as ANY foreign spy or saboteur. As such, they ought to be addressed (even 20-40 years later) as traitors have traditionally been addressed - at the end of rope.

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-05   17:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Liberator (#71)

Liberator wrote:: It is [in]credible what these people in government have done to America.

Your correction of my statement seems innocent and thanks for the attempt. Here, let me explain my statement (in brief) because it was not clear.

buckeroo wrote: It is credible what these people in government have done to America, [too].

That is how I intended the statement to read. And, thanks for picking up on the apparent confusion. Now, let me amplify my statement; it won't take long to read and is largely historical in nature.

You see, 65+ years ago there were many changes occurring within American society largely because of the aftermath of WW2. Two significant events occurred as a direct result of WW2:

1) the Great Depression was eliminated for the USA, and

2) a true sense of American Patriotism reappeared for all the world to see.

Indeed, America was the sole victor of WW2 with other nations around the world shadowing us by magnitudes of order.

Many of the otherwise leading world's nations were distraught at the same time (certainly ALL that participated in WW2) and required a HUGE re-build effort. America's military/industrial machine during WW2 was somewhat recast to perform that re-build effort which lead directly to increased US private sector jobs; and the fact that America had returning soldiers with continuing women already trained within the workforce.

Of course, coupled with the victory of WW2, FDR signed the omnibus GI Bill (1944) which lead to inproved training and college for returning soldiers and zero down house payments for those wanting to buy a home. Typically most Americans wanting to buy a home were family oriented (often with two incomes) and wanting a family. Of course, a two income family requires two cars. These factors, spurred the national economy even more.

I want to point out, this is the phenomena that drove America to where it is today. WW2 reshaped the modern family unit from its agrarian roots into the industrial dependents we see today. It often goes unseen to many because most fine folks are too busy looking at the symptoms of problems as opposed to the root cause of failure and thus are lead on a false path for a method of solution, ie: voting for a Democrat or a Republican. The American political party system is incapable of repairing the destruction of the family unit in America. All one needs to see is the rise of divorce rates in America from the 1940's to today: 14% to about 55% per family unit.

The fracture of the American family unit has destroyed America; it was lead by the exhilaration of new found wealth and income and an incredible trust of American government leading contemporary social directive dynamics. Along with the gradual decay of the American family unit came even more gradual decay of American society and moral/ethical values has occured leading to contemporary political gridlock. As time continues, even more social progression shall occur as result, too, as the demise for and about the American family unit continues to occur.

Simultaneously, of course, as a trust worthy American government (as a world power) stood tall and fast with tenacious resolve as a result of WW2. One of the areas that many folks don't consider is the fundamental reason for American military being everywhere around the world. And it started with the National Security Act of 1947 signed into law by Harry Truman; when he left office, he said it was the worst mistake of his tenure as president. He created the CIA as well as centralized the Department of Defense. Tremendous authority and power was granted to these rogue groups BEGGING for US involvement and military action; they lead American government's response toward world issues; not a president or even Congress.

As a result of the National Security Act, America almost immediately became involved with South Korea. And ever since, America has been eternally at war draining America's tax base for nothing in return. The last war America had a formal declaration of war was based on WW2; ever since, Congress rubber-stamps the CIA/DoD requests upto and even including this "0bama" Libya interference issue.

So, back to my earlier statement to wrap up my remarcks:

buckeroo wrote: It is credible what these people in government have done to America, [too].

We have a decaying American society that largely believes in government which has an overreach of military power around the world. We are still riding on the "shirt-tails" of military victory from the vestiages of WW2.

As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   13:13:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeroo (#86)

As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

That's a silly conclusion, since historically it rarely meets the expectations of the instigators.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   13:18:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: mininggold (#87)

That's a silly conclusion

The American political party system can't repair the social decay of American families and simultaneously it can't remove American troops from around the world or the influences that the CIA has.

There is no repair of the two dynamics driving America today: war everywhere and social decay. It took some 60+ years to get where we are as of today and the only remedy is complete destruction of what we know American government is and about.

Again, there is only one remedy: total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

The endless "conservative" vs. "liberal" tug o' war arguments are silly other than entertainment value.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   13:26:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeroo (#88) (Edited)

The American political party system can't repair the social decay of American families and simultaneously it can't remove American troops from around the world or the influences that the CIA has.

There is no repair of the two dynamics driving America today: war everywhere and social decay. It took some 60+ years to get where we are as of today and the only remedy is complete destruction of what we know American government is and about.

Again, there is only one remedy: total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

The endless "conservative" vs. "liberal" tug o' war arguments are silly other than entertainment value.

Because you can't imagine the scenario doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

The Capitalist system you so admire thrives on wars and requires an absolute increase in the numbers of consumers in order to exist, so destroying this system to only implement a similiar one will only create the circumstances you say you hate in a few years. Meanwhile we are left weak, divided and vulnerable.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   13:32:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: mininggold (#89)

Because you can't imagine the scenario doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

The historical characteristics for a rising American economy don't exist anymore with the caveat that someone in the private sector could lead a new technological direction spurring economic activity; since it isn't apparent anywhere, those hopes are a bit optimistic, akin to winning the Lotto.

And relying on government intervention is no answer at all. In fact, it never was other than WW2 creating some of the foundations of American wealth in the twentieth century. Today, American government has permitted multinational conglomerates to camp just about everywhere but in the USA. They aren't coming back either.

The Capitalist system you so admire thrives on wars and requires an absolute increase in the numbers of consumers in order to exist, so destroying this system to only implement a similiar one will only create the circumstances you say you hate in a few years. Meanwhile we are left weak, divided and vulnerable.

Self-determinism and resolve is the only method of success that can be guaranteed; nothing positive can be expected from any government other than influences of cronies.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   13:44:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#96. To: buckeroo (#91)

Self-determinism and resolve is the only method of success that can be guaranteed; nothing positive can be expected from any government other than influences of cronies.

While that sounds nice, they are still just platitudes that were rarely able to be successfully implemented. The government of We the People has had a hand in the formation of all the great technologies here in the US, if only to supply a peaceful place for them to transpire and a currency for their valuation.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06 14:14:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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