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Title: Get ready to pay dearly for the ‘deal’ (can you believe this was written by an adult?)
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Buffalo News, (a.k.a. Lake Erie Pravda)
URL Source: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/columns/rod-watson/article511557.ece
Published: Aug 4, 2011
Author: Rod Watson
Post Date: 2011-08-05 09:27:04 by Get Outta Dodge!
Keywords: None
Views: 138135
Comments: 205
First “they came for the socialists. . . .” And they got them . . . and the progressives, and the moderates, and the entire middle and working classes, not to mention the economy itself. They got them all. While Pastor Martin Niemoller’s famous quote referred to the Nazis, it could just as easily be applied to the tea party extremists who rolled President Obama and Democrats in a “deal” that will have dire consequences for a poor, job-hungry city such as Buffalo. Obama broke a cardinal rule of presidents: Never negotiate with terrorists. But using the word “negotiate” may be giving this White House too much credit. Afraid that a small band of tea party radicals would blow up the economy, feckless Democrats who have no idea how to craft a message simply caved instead of getting out front in the debate. Who’ll pay for their timidity? You will, if you need help with your heating bill, want Western New York’s transportation network maintained, or don’t want education on the chopping block. Buffalo Niagara gets millions in everything from transit aid to block grants for economic development. All such programs face added jeopardy because the president went back on his vow to demand the balanced approach of cuts and revenues that polls show most Americans want. It’s one thing not to be able to lead people where they don’t want to go. It’s quite another not to be able to lead them in the direction they’re already pointing. Instead, this deal—composed entirely ofcuts— will hurt older, poorer cities such as Buffalo and slow economic growth even more while doing nothing to create jobs. In fact, it will cost jobs. The Economic Policy Institute says the plan’s failure to extend emergency unemployment benefits and the payroll tax holiday—the one tax cut that should have been included— will lower the GDP by a combined 1.2 percent and cost 1.5 million jobs next year. Try telling the 7.7 percent of Western New Yorkers—and 10.2 percent of Buffalonians— who are looking for work that this makes sense. And now that they’ve tasted blood— yours, if you’re not wealthy—the extremists will be back for more. With plans to stack the new “supercommittee” with members opposed to raising revenue, it’s possible the right wing will even sacrifice defense by triggering the $1.2 trillion in across-the-board cuts that result absent any other deal. In other words, the damage has only begun as we transition to government by minority rule. At a time when the economy needs to be juiced, Washington will be run by those who drank the Kool-Aid. And where were Chuck “Press Re-lease a Day” Schumer or other Democratic leaders—including the president —who could counter the right-wing nonsense machine and put so much heat on the non-crazy part of the GOP that the debate never would have come to this? Obama’s somnolent “let your member of Congress know” had some last-minute effect. But imagine how a real leader—say, a progressive equivalent of Ronald Reagan—would have taken control of this debate upfront. But the outcome shouldn’t surprise. Obama took single-payer off the table before health care talks even began, and this time, he nixed the 14th Amendment option even quicker. If you’re looking to score on a used-car deal, this is the guy you want to negotiate with. In the meantime, optimists think we’ll now have a grand debate about the role of government as the rest of the deal is hashed out before the 2012 election. But that would require forceful leadership with the stomach for that debate. Unfortunately for poor cities such as Buffalo, what we have instead are Obama and Harry Reid. Poster Comment: Ohhhhhhhhhh . . . Tea Partiers are Nazis. How original. Can you believe this guy writes for a metropolitan daily? (Yeah, I guess I can.)
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#47. To: We The People (#42)
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Please don't use Wikipedia as a source. It was an action against the actions of the East India Company and it's unholy alliance with England that really cared more about placating its plantation holdings and resultant trade in it's other, more coveted colony, India, than it did the American colonies.
Where's that Tea Party candidate sponsored legislation needed to enforce this?
Of course, its a very common tactic to take offense when challenged to backup your comments. Palin does it too all the time doesn't she? Meanwhile you've done very little to backup your assertions about Obama and/or capitalism. But go ahead and keep trying to make this about me and not the fact that you've painted with an overly broad brush.
Where's that Tea Party candidate sponsored legislation needed to enforce this? Excellent question, Ming. I'm serious If I get my friends in the Tea-party to sponsor such legislation, will you get your friends in the House and Senate to allow it to come to a vote. If it passes, will you ask your friend, President Obama, to sign it?
Ok...Why do you think protectionism and capitalism go hand in hand?
If I get my friends in the Tea-party to sponsor such legislation, will you get your friends in the House and Senate to allow it to come to a vote. If it passes, will you ask your friend, President Obama, to sign it? My personal Congresscritter Mike Thompson, whom I've never voted for, is on my shit list for being totally bought and paid for by the wine industry. My personal feeling... the Tea Party base will never let it happen.
Wow, really? Next you'll tell me the American stars on Betsy Ross's flag couldn't have replaced hammers or sickles "'cuz the date was too early." Small business mercantilism was the most popular economic system used during the founding days. The revolution was actually fought against the instituting of large corporate cronyism on the colonies by England. WHAT "large corporations" were there in 1773?? And I noticed part of your ludicrous analogy didn't mention "heroic Unions". And anyway, here I thought the basis of the American revolution was fought over "taxation without representation." You do remember that Tea Party? and I don't mean the current phonies. Uh-oh....lemme get out of the way of your quirky history lesson witty steamroller before I get hurt.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Give me a heads-up here before you "decide it isn't" so I can prepare my LMAO-muscles for another workout again.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
OUCH! A "teabagger" crack that was indirectly aimed at my "teabag." By chance are you Willie Green's "life-partner"?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
You're long on laughs. Thank you for that, Cousin Itt. Btw, what's a "quib"?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Wait...let me put on my magic 0bama-kaleidoscope 3-D glasses so I can get a "REAL" sense of history...OR, is it "herstory"? *yuk-yuk*
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Clever. Faux news Check Looks like your mindless drone points are in order. Check in with skip and he'll give you your uniform. Yep, we know EXACTLY where T-Bird perches and parrots her marching orders... Add two more daily talking points drivel: "Koch Brothers!!" CHECK #36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Nah...I thought Choo Choo Willie's life partner was named Lionel. Any thoughts on protectionism as a "capitalist" endevour?
Where's that Tea Party candidate sponsored legislation needed to enforce this? (Dodge): Excellent question, Ming. I'm serious If I get my friends in the Tea-party to sponsor such legislation, will you get your friends in the House and Senate to allow it to come to a vote. If it passes, will you ask your friend, President Obama, to sign it? (m.g.): My personal feeling... the Tea Party base will never let it happen. Why do you say that? Other than a general philosophy that gov't is too big and spends too much, the "tea party" (actually not a party in the political sense, but an amalgamation) is far from monolithic. Tell you what - If you'll admit that at least SOME in the "tea-party" are honest and upstanding, I'll do the same (((gulp))) for liberals. Liberals are just wrong politically, that's all
Speaking of suits, hey, you and your "friend" are looking fine here...thanks for the autograph. That said, nobody's stopping you from howling at the moon here, are they?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Lol...but ONLY if he's in a Union. Any thoughts on protectionism as a "capitalist" endevour? yes. I endorse heavy tariffs on imported slave-labor goods. And you??
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
"Koch Brothers!!" CHECK "Palin is the leader of Teabagger Terrorists!!" CHECK Thanks. We'll probably have a list of about 50 or so before they start being recycled. I'll set up my DVR to record MSNBC this evening. That should add about 35 or so.
You posed a perfect question, too. Was Congress out on the golf course with their lobbyists for all these years? Through the last 40+ years they certainly have ensured ALL citizens are victims to the trade imbalances while American government created all kinds of tax incentives for off-shore multinationals WHILE importing cheap labour. It is credible what these people in government have done to America.
THAT creates a conundrum for insane Leftists who require a identifying and smearing their sneaky enemy, "Teabaggers." This is "EXHIBIT A" as to why these people are colossal idiots who are missoing several common sense DNA. Tell you what - If you'll admit that at least SOME in the "tea-party" are honest and upstanding, I'll do the same (((gulp))) for liberals. You'll need the Hubble telescope and a barf-bag for that, won't ya?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Me, I'd rather pay a little more for goods manufactured in the United States than see whole regions of the nation get thrown out of work. Steel is a good example where tariffs make sense (imo), especially when the foreign exporter is dumping their product to grab market share. However I would consider that position to be economic nationalism NOT capitalism, despite a shallow attempt by some to claim otherwise.
You'll need the Hubble telescope and a barf-bag for that, won't ya? Well, my dear sister (bless her heart) is a lib. Probably one of those who think Obama is too "centrist." Other than that, she's okay - and I love her.
HA! MSNBC - the Leftists' pied piper. Yeah, we should making citations of all their Pavlovian propaganda and demonizing drivel. Oughta be hilarious by the time we're done. These people are SO damn robotic and conditioned.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Other than that, she's okay - and I love her. My sympathies.... All you can do is love her for her good traits and avoid politics. I have NO pure liberal relatives - and very few in my extended family.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Agree 110%. One of the reasons our economy is cratered is precisely because of ChiCom dumping. How can we compete against slave-labor?? Strangely enough, US economic advisors, politicians, and our media NEVER saw this coming or forewarned us? We were betrayed by our own. We needed to start following your suggestion 20 years ago, but it's never too late. I would consider that position to be economic nationalism NOT capitalism, despite a shallow attempt by some to claim otherwise. It's possible to encompass both nationalism and capitalism considering the US market is the largest in the world.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Was Congress out on the golf course with their lobbyists for all these years? Through the last 40+ years they certainly have ensured ALL citizens are victims to the trade imbalances while American government created all kinds of tax incentives for off-shore multinationals WHILE importing cheap labour. It is [in]credible what these people in government have done to America. You're absolutely right, Buck... Our so-called "peoples' representatives" sacrificed and sabotaged American industry, manufacturing, and obviously our national economic sovereignty....for the sake of their lobbying fees, hookers, and golf course perks. Our own politicians represented FOREIGN INTERESTS over America. This makes them as much a traitor to America as ANY foreign spy or saboteur. As such, they ought to be addressed (even 20-40 years later) as traitors have traditionally been addressed - at the end of rope.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Wow. No offense, but that's just weird. Why would you presume to tell me what sources to use, and why would you presume that I would do anything but laugh?
What the hell is wrong with you people? I don't use tactics junior. I have discussions, you weirdo. If you think I'm pretending to be annoyed with you, then you're stranger than I thought. Now I'll ask you again since you ignored me the first time...Are you posting from a different screen name? Have we exchanged posts before?
Nope. First things first. If you don't answer my questions then I don't answer yours. The second thing the first American Congress did was enact a tariff. Does that sound like something captitalists would do? As a matter of fact, it does. Why do you think it doesn't?
All you can do is love her for her good traits and avoid politics. LOL - yeah, we don't see each other often as she lives about 400 miles away. But we talk on the phone a couple of times a month. We DEFINITELY avoid political discussions!
I hate to be the one to break this to you guys, but mercantilism and protectionism are types of capitalism. We can argue the merits of each if you'd like, but we can't argue that they aren't all different strains of theory in capitalism.
Lol! True that.
You were posting on LP when I got there. Are you trying to insinuate guilt by association? But all you have to do to prove your theory is dispute my statements with facts not innuendo. You mean, if you had actually made any statements that were anything other than jibberish? I see that you don't like to answer an honest question honestly, but I'm going to try again anyway... Are you arguing against capitalism or simply being a snide little bitch because that is what you do?
I see that you don't like to answer an honest question honestly, but I'm going to try again anyway... Are you arguing against capitalism or simply being a snide little bitch because that is what you do? Mininggold is a lot like yu-klown in this respect, isn't she/he/it?
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Wise move. But even discussing the weather can be a iffy subject and lead to...."global warming." Could you imagine being MARRIED to one [a liberal moonbat]? AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH! (I'm not, BTW. My lovely wife is sane) Thankfully for you; But my answer: HELL NO!! And I don't care if she looks like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Miss Universe. I don't deal with stupid AND insane well.
#36. To: We The People (#24) I've really had enough of you. I just reviewed your account, and aside from [ridiculing] members of this site [like my neocon retarded son, yukon, and his brothers gatlin, and the ACLU Blackmailer], you have had zero to say here...so I'm just going to toss you [and your crazy conservative posts that exposed me as a damn hypocrite] under the bus. and no...that was NOT a threat! I've just banned your account. Neocon Mommy Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-07-31 13:56:29 ET
Then you also must have noticed I have made probably not over twenty posts there in the last two years. Too bad you have to resort to MORE innuendo and name calling when you run out of argumernts. Seems typical for Tea Baggers though. BTW why don't you answer my pertinent question regarding why your candidates have not sponsored legislation to end the wars, since you guys are so gung ho on stopping needless spending.
I would have to guess that it's because of the questions that I've posed which you ignored or disregarded. Who do you believe 'my candidates' are?
What's too bad is that you appear to have gone completely insane. I've tried my very best to not engage in name calling or innuendo with you, but when that is ALL that you do, even with your first post to me, it's kind of hard not to return fire. I seem to remember that you and I were friends on LP. What has made you into the snide, petulant person that you are today?
Weeda Peeps is probably too busy posting "conservative" propaganda from some dippy broad in Canada to take part in any serious exchange of the issues. Good question though.
I've tried my very best to not engage in name calling or innuendo with you, but when that is ALL that you do, even with your first post to me, it's kind of hard not to return fire. I seem to remember that you and I were friends on LP. What has made you into the snide, petulant person that you are today? I have a hard believing a male would use the word petulant, but then all you have to do is stop with the innuendo and present facts. Try it, you might even like it. Like I said earlier when are you going to answer my question? Maybe you need to show some curiosity and an ability to research since you claim to be representative of the TP mentality. That is if it makes any difference to you if your "movement' lasts to the next election, because all I see in the TP is more empty suits.
Your correction of my statement seems innocent and thanks for the attempt. Here, let me explain my statement (in brief) because it was not clear. That is how I intended the statement to read. And, thanks for picking up on the apparent confusion. Now, let me amplify my statement; it won't take long to read and is largely historical in nature. You see, 65+ years ago there were many changes occurring within American society largely because of the aftermath of WW2. Two significant events occurred as a direct result of WW2: 2) a true sense of American Patriotism reappeared for all the world to see. Indeed, America was the sole victor of WW2 with other nations around the world shadowing us by magnitudes of order. Many of the otherwise leading world's nations were distraught at the same time (certainly ALL that participated in WW2) and required a HUGE re-build effort. America's military/industrial machine during WW2 was somewhat recast to perform that re-build effort which lead directly to increased US private sector jobs; and the fact that America had returning soldiers with continuing women already trained within the workforce. Of course, coupled with the victory of WW2, FDR signed the omnibus GI Bill (1944) which lead to inproved training and college for returning soldiers and zero down house payments for those wanting to buy a home. Typically most Americans wanting to buy a home were family oriented (often with two incomes) and wanting a family. Of course, a two income family requires two cars. These factors, spurred the national economy even more. I want to point out, this is the phenomena that drove America to where it is today. WW2 reshaped the modern family unit from its agrarian roots into the industrial dependents we see today. It often goes unseen to many because most fine folks are too busy looking at the symptoms of problems as opposed to the root cause of failure and thus are lead on a false path for a method of solution, ie: voting for a Democrat or a Republican. The American political party system is incapable of repairing the destruction of the family unit in America. All one needs to see is the rise of divorce rates in America from the 1940's to today: 14% to about 55% per family unit. The fracture of the American family unit has destroyed America; it was lead by the exhilaration of new found wealth and income and an incredible trust of American government leading contemporary social directive dynamics. Along with the gradual decay of the American family unit came even more gradual decay of American society and moral/ethical values has occured leading to contemporary political gridlock. As time continues, even more social progression shall occur as result, too, as the demise for and about the American family unit continues to occur. Simultaneously, of course, as a trust worthy American government (as a world power) stood tall and fast with tenacious resolve as a result of WW2. One of the areas that many folks don't consider is the fundamental reason for American military being everywhere around the world. And it started with the National Security Act of 1947 signed into law by Harry Truman; when he left office, he said it was the worst mistake of his tenure as president. He created the CIA as well as centralized the Department of Defense. Tremendous authority and power was granted to these rogue groups BEGGING for US involvement and military action; they lead American government's response toward world issues; not a president or even Congress. As a result of the National Security Act, America almost immediately became involved with South Korea. And ever since, America has been eternally at war draining America's tax base for nothing in return. The last war America had a formal declaration of war was based on WW2; ever since, Congress rubber-stamps the CIA/DoD requests upto and even including this "0bama" Libya interference issue. So, back to my earlier statement to wrap up my remarcks: We have a decaying American society that largely believes in government which has an overreach of military power around the world. We are still riding on the "shirt-tails" of military victory from the vestiages of WW2. As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.
That's a silly conclusion, since historically it rarely meets the expectations of the instigators.
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#48. To: We The People (#45)
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
#49. To: We The People (#40)
Listen, if I've posted something to offend you, I apologize. The very fact that I have to say that, offends me.
#50. To: mininggold, We The People (#48)
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
#51. To: We The People (#41)
As a matter of fact, it does.
#52. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#50)
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Excellent question, Ming. I'm serious
#53. To: mininggold (#16)
Neither [Lenin or Marx] were even born at the time [of the writing of the Constitution].
#54. To: We The People (#17)
Yes, I was a bad boy again. This time it's terminal. Unless I decide it isn't. ;o)
#55. To: Thunderbird (#19)
Now there you go asking a teabagger to think..that usually doesn't end well.
#56. To: mininggold, We The People (#20)
Liberator is always short on facts, which is why she substitutes her quibs for actual discussion.
#57. To: war (#21)
...and have a sense of REAL history...
#58. To: Get Outta Dodge!, Thunderbird, Skip intro (#22)
To: Skip intro and go directly do democrat talking points
Teabagger Check
"Palin is the leader of Teabagger Terrorists!!" CHECK
#59. To: Liberator (#55)
By chance are you Willie Green's "life-partner"?
#60. To: mininggold, We The People (#52)
(m.g.): Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
#61. To: mininggold, Get Outta Dodge! (#23)
Why do you hate forum discussion and the First Amendment so much that you feel compelled to interfere and distract with another of your mindless quibs?. You too, have been called on to back up your distractions and have been proven to be another empty suit.
#62. To: Thunderbird (#59)
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I thought Choo Choo Willie's life partner was named Lionel.
#63. To: Liberator (#58)
Add two more daily talking points drivel:
#64. To: Liberator (#62)
I endorse heavy tariffs on imported slave-labor goods.
#65. To: Get Outta Dodge!, mininggold (#60)
Why do you say that? Other than a general philosophy that gov't is too big and spends too much, the "tea party" (actually not a party in the political sense, but an amalgamation) is far from monolithic.
#66. To: Liberator (#62)
I endorse heavy tariffs on imported slave-labor goods.
#67. To: Liberator (#65)
Tell you what - If you'll admit that at least SOME in the "tea-party" are honest and upstanding, I'll do the same (((gulp))) for liberals.
#68. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#63)
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We'll probably have a list of about 50 or so before they start being recycled. I'll set up my DVR to record MSNBC this evening. That should add about 35 or so.
#69. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#67)
My dear sister (bless her heart) is a lib. Probably one of those who think Obama is too "centrist."
#70. To: Thunderbird (#66)
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Me, I'd rather pay a little more for goods manufactured in the United States than see whole regions of the nation get thrown out of work. Steel is a good example where tariffs make sense (imo), especially when the foreign exporter is dumping their product to grab market share.
#71. To: buckeroo (#64)
You posed a perfect question, too [re: imposing heavy tariffs].
#72. To: mininggold (#47)
Please don't use Wikipedia as a source.
#73. To: Thunderbird, Mininggold (#49)
Of course, its a very common tactic to take offense
#74. To: Thunderbird (#51)
Ok...Why do you think protectionism and capitalism go hand in hand?
#75. To: Liberator (#69)
My sympathies....
have NO pure liberal relatives - and very few in my extended family.
Could you imagine being MARRIED to one? AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH! (I'm not, BTW. My lovely wife is sane)
#76. To: Thunderbird, Mininggold (#51)
Ok...Why do you think protectionism and capitalism go hand in hand?
#77. To: mininggold (#27)
Your advanced degree in LP training has you thinking everyone not an avid Teabagger has to be one of those nasty lefties. But all you have to do to prove your theory is dispute my statements with facts not innuendo.
#78. To: mininggold (#27)
Your advanced degree in LP training has you thinking everyone not an avid Teabagger has to be one of those nasty lefties.
#79. To: We The People, mininggold (#78)
You mean, if you had actually made any statements that were anything other than jibberish?
#80. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#75)
We DEFINITELY avoid political discussions!
#81. To: We The People (#78)
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You were posting on LP when I got there.
#82. To: mininggold (#81)
BTW why don't you answer my pertinent question regarding why your candidates have not sponsored legislation to end the wars, since you guys are so gung ho on stopping needless spending.
#83. To: mininggold (#81)
Too bad you have to resort to MORE innuendo and name calling when you run out of argumernts.
#84. To: mininggold (#81)
why don't you answer my pertinent question regarding why your candidates have not sponsored legislation to end the wars, since you guys are so gung ho on stopping needless spending.
#85. To: We The People (#83)
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What's too bad is that you appear to have gone completely insane.
#86. To: Liberator (#71)
Liberator wrote:: It is [in]credible what these people in government have done to America.
buckeroo wrote: It is credible what these people in government have done to America, [too].
1) the Great Depression was eliminated for the USA, and
buckeroo wrote: It is credible what these people in government have done to America, [too].
#87. To: buckeroo (#86)
As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.
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