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Title: Get ready to pay dearly for the ‘deal’ (can you believe this was written by an adult?)
Source: Buffalo News, (a.k.a. Lake Erie Pravda)
URL Source: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/columns/rod-watson/article511557.ece
Published: Aug 4, 2011
Author: Rod Watson
Post Date: 2011-08-05 09:27:04 by Get Outta Dodge!
Keywords: None
Views: 140426
Comments: 205

First “they came for the socialists. . . .” And they got them . . . and the progressives, and the moderates, and the entire middle and working classes, not to mention the economy itself. They got them all.

While Pastor Martin Niemoller’s famous quote referred to the Nazis, it could just as easily be applied to the tea party extremists who rolled President Obama and Democrats in a “deal” that will have dire consequences for a poor, job-hungry city such as Buffalo.

Obama broke a cardinal rule of presidents: Never negotiate with terrorists. But using the word “negotiate” may be giving this White House too much credit.

Afraid that a small band of tea party radicals would blow up the economy, feckless Democrats who have no idea how to craft a message simply caved instead of getting out front in the debate.

Who’ll pay for their timidity? You will, if you need help with your heating bill, want Western New York’s transportation network maintained, or don’t want education on the chopping block.

Buffalo Niagara gets millions in everything from transit aid to block grants for economic development. All such programs face added jeopardy because the president went back on his vow to demand the balanced approach of cuts and revenues that polls show most Americans want.

It’s one thing not to be able to lead people where they don’t want to go. It’s quite another not to be able to lead them in the direction they’re already pointing.

Instead, this deal—composed entirely ofcuts— will hurt older, poorer cities such as Buffalo and slow economic growth even more while doing nothing to create jobs.

In fact, it will cost jobs. The Economic Policy Institute says the plan’s failure to extend emergency unemployment benefits and the payroll tax holiday—the one tax cut that should have been included— will lower the GDP by a combined 1.2 percent and cost 1.5 million jobs next year.

Try telling the 7.7 percent of Western New Yorkers—and 10.2 percent of Buffalonians— who are looking for work that this makes sense.

And now that they’ve tasted blood— yours, if you’re not wealthy—the extremists will be back for more. With plans to stack the new “supercommittee” with members opposed to raising revenue, it’s possible the right wing will even sacrifice defense by triggering the $1.2 trillion in across-the-board cuts that result absent any other deal.

In other words, the damage has only begun as we transition to government by minority rule. At a time when the economy needs to be juiced, Washington will be run by those who drank the Kool-Aid.

And where were Chuck “Press Re-lease a Day” Schumer or other Democratic leaders—including the president —who could counter the right-wing nonsense machine and put so much heat on the non-crazy part of the GOP that the debate never would have come to this?

Obama’s somnolent “let your member of Congress know” had some last-minute effect. But imagine how a real leader—say, a progressive equivalent of Ronald Reagan—would have taken control of this debate upfront.

But the outcome shouldn’t surprise. Obama took single-payer off the table before health care talks even began, and this time, he nixed the 14th Amendment option even quicker. If you’re looking to score on a used-car deal, this is the guy you want to negotiate with.

In the meantime, optimists think we’ll now have a grand debate about the role of government as the rest of the deal is hashed out before the 2012 election. But that would require forceful leadership with the stomach for that debate.

Unfortunately for poor cities such as Buffalo, what we have instead are Obama and Harry Reid.

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Can you believe this guy writes for a metropolitan daily?

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#109. To: buckeroo (#107)

And can't be modified for reduction by existing methods of the two-party system.

Every house member is up for reelection every two years. We can change. It will be hard though and it isn't certain.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   14:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: mininggold (#106)

And, here I thought that you didn't enjoy my remarck within that same post:

Well, you left out the obvious facts that we enjoy Guinness malts and Bushmills fine refreshments. I particularly enjoy Red Breast but that is my own preference.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Liberator (#105)

IF your points explained the justification of extinguishing cultural saboteurs as a defense mechanism and instinctive survival reflex, then I agree with you...

You are correct however I didn't use your same or similar words.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: mininggold (#103) (Edited)

Actually most blacks' ancestors predate those of the founders in the US.

NOT relevant to "American culture"; Moreiver, there was no such thing as "multiculturalism" as you stated was "always" a "historical" fact.

Those slavery practices by the "Eiropean-Christian underpinnings" sure were NEVER a source of contention.

Slavery" isn't a "European-Christian underpinning" of American culture, nor has it EVER been. It was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers.

Did you realize that slavery is STILL practiced (of ALL places) IN MOTHER AFRICA?

But I note that this disturbs neither you, your fellow Leftists, OR Jesse Jackson OR your Dear Leader, Barry Hussein 0bama because there is NO money, propaganda benefit or ideological gain by addressing it.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   14:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: buckeroo (#111)

You are correct however I didn't use your same or similar words.

Don't worry - I won't indict you with my words.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   14:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: A K A Stone (#109)

Every house member is up for reelection every two years. We can change.

With a fractured society voting for these hoodlums? Please explain.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: buckeroo (#114)

With a fractured society voting for these hoodlums? Please explain.

I'm just saying it is possible. Not likely.

I've been reading through your posts. You've been making some good points.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:03:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Liberator (#112)

NOT relevant to "American culture"; Moreiver, there was no such thing as "multiculturalism" as you stated was "always" a "historical" fact.

Aaaah, now you tell me you hate Rock and Roll.

Slavery" isn't a "European-Christian underpinning" of American culture, nor has it EVER been. It was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers.

Actually slavery was considered a normal occurrence in the Old and New Testaments. And plantation and other business owners in the USA pre 1860 who owned slaves were most often of European 'underpinning' and Christian.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Liberator (#113)

At Robin's Nest, there seemed to be a sense of "euphoria" when Norway's PM indicated that "more democracy" leads to "more freedom." I say that concept is diametrically opposing to the truth. "More democracy" leads to a police state or less freedom. And in the face of Norway's worst social disaster since WW2, they shall create further restraints upon individual freedoms, rights and liberties.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: mininggold (#116)

Actually slavery was considered a normal occurrence in the Old and New Testaments. And plantation and other business owners in the USA pre 1860 who owned slaves were most often of European 'underpinning' and Christian.

The slavery practiced in Biblical days was far different that practiced at the start of this nation.

The Bible forbid capturing people and enslaving them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: A K A Stone (#115)

You've been making some good points.

Well, it is too late for you. I have been conspiring behind your back with Moderator X. I think he is getting ready to take over.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: buckeroo (#117)

At Robin's Nest, there seemed to be a sense of "euphoria" when Norway's PM indicated that "more democracy" leads to "more freedom." I say that concept is diametrically opposing to the truth. "More democracy" leads to a police state or less freedom. And in the face of Norway's worst social disaster since WW2, they shall create further restraints upon individual freedoms, rights and liberties.

Now you are making gross misstatements based on differences of opinions.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: A K A Stone (#118) (Edited)

The slavery practiced in Biblical days was far different that practiced at the start of this nation.

The Bible forbid capturing people and enslaving them.

Slave owners in the US didn't capture and enslave them, they left the dirty work up to others. They bought them just like the Hebrews did.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: mininggold (#121)

They bought them just like the Hebrews did.

Example where this happened. And where it was sanctioned.

Please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: mininggold (#120)

Now you are making gross misstatements based on differences of opinions.

On that same thread was my retort to Robin:

#6. To: Robin (#5)

"The answer to violence, is even more democracy. Even more humanity"

Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.

buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 9:54:06 ET

And then Robin's careful reply:

#8. To: buckeroo (#6)

Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.

Considering the usual "war on terror", UnPatriot Act, knee-jerk reaction, I think he's very clever to get out in front of demands for protection that remove all liberty and freedom. IOW, the path America took, Norwegians are rejecting.

And the PM's other statement, makes it clear, that he's not backing-down on Norway's multiculturalism either.

"The answer to violence, is even more democracy. Even more humanity". "It's important to bear in mind that not all young white men are potential terrorists" -- Jens Stoltenberg, Norwegian Prime Minister"

Robin posted on 2011-07-23 9:58:48 ET Reply

Nope, Robin seems to believe in socialism as a method for American culture improvements while denying how reactionaries eventually lead to resistive characteristics about individual freedoms and liberties through government prevention.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: A K A Stone (#122)

Example where this happened. And where it was sanctioned.

Please.

The first one that pops up.

"The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years."

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: mininggold (#124)

Was an indentured servant a slave?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: buckeroo (#123)

Nope, Robin seems to believe in socialism as a method for American culture improvements

Did you just figure that out? Or did you know and you were toying with her? I hope it is the latter.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: buckeroo (#123) (Edited)

Nope, Robin seems to believe in socialism as a method for American culture improvements while denying how reactionaries eventually lead to resistive characteristics about individual freedoms and liberties through government prevention.

Yet we saw how rampant 'free' Capitalism did the same in the 19th century.

Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.

You made a statement of disagreement without any specifics whatsoever especially to what the lie actually is. I would have ignored it, even if it was my opinion.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: A K A Stone (#125)

Was an indentured servant a slave?

Only if it was not a Hebrew, but then a Bible thumper like you should already know that.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: mininggold (#128)

People used to sell themselves into slavery to pay off debts. Kind of like the indentured servants that came to America to work for a period of time in exchange for passage to the new world.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: mininggold (#128)

Only if it was not a Hebrew

That makes no sense. Can you help me out and explain it better?

Please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: A K A Stone (#126)

Did you just figure that out? Or did you know and you were toying with her? I hope it is the latter.

From now on you shall have to ask my good friend, Moderator X for answers to your questions. He understands EVERYTHING because of your own inabilities, now.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: buckeroo (#131)

You're slow. You just figured it out. lol. Poor buckeroo.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: A K A Stone (#130)

It's in your Bible, look it up yourself.

The whole premise of owning slaves besides the economic advantage in the US was that it was okay because it was in the Bible. The old 'Hebrews did it' permission slip.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: mininggold (#133)

It's in your Bible, look it up yourself.

You quoted no scripture in the post I addressed. You just gave me some goofy answer about the Hebrews.

Try again please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: A K A Stone (#134) (Edited)

You quoted no scripture in the post I addressed. You just gave me some goofy answer about the Hebrews.

Your words not mine.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: mininggold (#135)

Only if it was not a Hebrew,

No these are your words. They make no sense.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:47:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: A K A Stone (#136)

No these are your words. They make no sense.

I'll help you out here. What does "not a Hebrew" mean?

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: mininggold (#127)

Yet we saw how rampant 'free' Capitalism did the same in the 19th century.

Yeah, and look at the downfall of Marxism in countries such as the USSR and China as both are now capitalistic in nature because of their own reserved characteristics.

Your idea seems to diminish America as the world's greatest nation today even though we are on a downward curve and certainly understood by all because of the absence of US involvement in banking operations/processes/procedures that was actually spurred on by US authorities via CRA requirements. Of course, US border issues and illegal immigration which CAUSED 9/11 is the entire effort of the US government NOT doing its job, too.

Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.

You made a statement of disagreement without any specifics whatsoever especially to what the lie actually is. I would have ignored it, even if it was my opinion.

I made the statement (as pointed out) but it was intended to lighten the viewpoints into a specific set of considerations. Let me recap: "more democracy" leads to the very problems America is experiencing today. America has lost the republic, in other words.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: A K A Stone (#132)

Poor buckeroo.

I am telling you here and now, watch out for your downfall as a dictator of LF. Moderator X is watching your every move. Be very careful.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   16:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#137)

No these are your words. They make no sense.

I'll help you out here. What does "not a Hebrew" mean?

Let ME help YOU out whinnyold.

The phrase, "not a Hebrew" (sic), means NOTHING in ENGLISH, you fucking gibbering idiot.

Maybe in a context it would, but YOU quoted THAT exact phrase, and then asked a simple question, you gibbering libTURD IDIOT.

Honest to GOD, you are one absurdly stooopid libTURD bitch!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-06   16:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: mininggold (#116)

ME: "Slavery" isn't a "European-Christian underpinning" of American culture, nor has it EVER been. It was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers.

YOU: "Actually slavery was considered a normal occurrence in the Old and New Testaments. And plantation and other business owners in the USA pre 1860 who owned slaves were most often of European 'underpinning' and Christian."

Please keep this debate in context and tuck your red herrings back into your multicultural Leftist/anti-Christian handbook.

AS I stated, slavery in America was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers. Whom do you think hunted down West Africans like animals, caged them, then sold them to Europeans for profit?? Other Africans. But NEVER are they ever blamed for their part in slavery, nor have YOU. At least the Americans and Europeans worked to ban slavery relatively quickly - I'll attribute THAT correction to "Christian underpinnings."

Btw, what is your opinion on the African slavery that STILL operates with impunity today?? I hear that they are NOT Christian nor European.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   18:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Mad Dog, mininggold (#140)

Let ME help YOU out whinnyold....

Nice try Dawg, but it's futile.

This woman has issues.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   18:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: A K A Stone, mininggold (#134)

("It's in your Bible, look it up yourself.")

You quoted no scripture in the post I addressed. You just gave me some goofy answer about the Hebrews.

Try again please.

AKA, +1

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   18:38:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: buckeroo (#117)

At Robin's Nest, there seemed to be a sense of "euphoria" when Norway's PM indicated that "more democracy" leads to "more freedom." I say that concept is diametrically opposing to the truth. "More democracy" leads to a police state or less freedom. And in the face of Norway's worst social disaster since WW2, they shall create further restraints upon individual freedoms, rights and liberties.

Robin's Nest is a Leftist Pit Stop, is it not?

I concur 100% with your assessment. A "Democracy" in action means a majority of the lowest denominator vote to micro-manage everyone's else's lives and steal everyone's else's stuff via a militant police state.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   18:42:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Liberator (#142)

.

Don't WE all know it bro?

Except that this gibbering libTURD idiot NEVER fails to, well ..., FAIL!

In FACT "she" sets stunning new lows with almost every mind suckingly stoopid post this gibbering libTURD idiot makes!

OMG!

Can you imagine children being around this idiot?

"GARBAGE in = GARBAGE out".

No wonder America is awash with slack jawed drooling libTURD IDIOTS!

YIKES!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-08-06   18:53:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: mininggold (#137)

I'll help you out here. What does "not a Hebrew" mean?

So here is what your position is by your words.

An indentured servant is a slave unless he is a hebrew.

That makes no sense at all.

Why would an indentured servant be a slave if he is a non hebrew but he wouldn't be one if he is a hebrew?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   18:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: buckeroo, Moderator X (#139)

I am telling you here and now, watch out for your downfall as a dictator of LF. Moderator X is watching your every move. Be very careful.

Thanks for the warning buck.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   18:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: A K A Stone (#147)

Thanks for the warning buck.

Watch out! Or I shall come back as as Beelzebub's_Grandson@HELL.com to infest your chit-chat forum besides having the hordes of Hades descend upon you as I did at LP.

Be very careful.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   19:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Liberator (#102)

What good again are RINOs who routinely vote with Democrats?

Good grief...I told you the reason was to take the Senate majority away from the Democrats. You have to be pretty dense not to understand the concept.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-06   19:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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