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Title: Get ready to pay dearly for the ‘deal’ (can you believe this was written by an adult?)
Source: Buffalo News, (a.k.a. Lake Erie Pravda)
URL Source: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/columns/rod-watson/article511557.ece
Published: Aug 4, 2011
Author: Rod Watson
Post Date: 2011-08-05 09:27:04 by Get Outta Dodge!
Keywords: None
Views: 136609
Comments: 205

First “they came for the socialists. . . .” And they got them . . . and the progressives, and the moderates, and the entire middle and working classes, not to mention the economy itself. They got them all.

While Pastor Martin Niemoller’s famous quote referred to the Nazis, it could just as easily be applied to the tea party extremists who rolled President Obama and Democrats in a “deal” that will have dire consequences for a poor, job-hungry city such as Buffalo.

Obama broke a cardinal rule of presidents: Never negotiate with terrorists. But using the word “negotiate” may be giving this White House too much credit.

Afraid that a small band of tea party radicals would blow up the economy, feckless Democrats who have no idea how to craft a message simply caved instead of getting out front in the debate.

Who’ll pay for their timidity? You will, if you need help with your heating bill, want Western New York’s transportation network maintained, or don’t want education on the chopping block.

Buffalo Niagara gets millions in everything from transit aid to block grants for economic development. All such programs face added jeopardy because the president went back on his vow to demand the balanced approach of cuts and revenues that polls show most Americans want.

It’s one thing not to be able to lead people where they don’t want to go. It’s quite another not to be able to lead them in the direction they’re already pointing.

Instead, this deal—composed entirely ofcuts— will hurt older, poorer cities such as Buffalo and slow economic growth even more while doing nothing to create jobs.

In fact, it will cost jobs. The Economic Policy Institute says the plan’s failure to extend emergency unemployment benefits and the payroll tax holiday—the one tax cut that should have been included— will lower the GDP by a combined 1.2 percent and cost 1.5 million jobs next year.

Try telling the 7.7 percent of Western New Yorkers—and 10.2 percent of Buffalonians— who are looking for work that this makes sense.

And now that they’ve tasted blood— yours, if you’re not wealthy—the extremists will be back for more. With plans to stack the new “supercommittee” with members opposed to raising revenue, it’s possible the right wing will even sacrifice defense by triggering the $1.2 trillion in across-the-board cuts that result absent any other deal.

In other words, the damage has only begun as we transition to government by minority rule. At a time when the economy needs to be juiced, Washington will be run by those who drank the Kool-Aid.

And where were Chuck “Press Re-lease a Day” Schumer or other Democratic leaders—including the president —who could counter the right-wing nonsense machine and put so much heat on the non-crazy part of the GOP that the debate never would have come to this?

Obama’s somnolent “let your member of Congress know” had some last-minute effect. But imagine how a real leader—say, a progressive equivalent of Ronald Reagan—would have taken control of this debate upfront.

But the outcome shouldn’t surprise. Obama took single-payer off the table before health care talks even began, and this time, he nixed the 14th Amendment option even quicker. If you’re looking to score on a used-car deal, this is the guy you want to negotiate with.

In the meantime, optimists think we’ll now have a grand debate about the role of government as the rest of the deal is hashed out before the 2012 election. But that would require forceful leadership with the stomach for that debate.

Unfortunately for poor cities such as Buffalo, what we have instead are Obama and Harry Reid.

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Can you believe this guy writes for a metropolitan daily?

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#83. To: mininggold (#81)

Too bad you have to resort to MORE innuendo and name calling when you run out of argumernts.

What's too bad is that you appear to have gone completely insane.

I've tried my very best to not engage in name calling or innuendo with you, but when that is ALL that you do, even with your first post to me, it's kind of hard not to return fire.

I seem to remember that you and I were friends on LP. What has made you into the snide, petulant person that you are today?

We The People  posted on  2011-08-06   11:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: mininggold (#81)

why don't you answer my pertinent question regarding why your candidates have not sponsored legislation to end the wars, since you guys are so gung ho on stopping needless spending.

Weeda Peeps is probably too busy posting "conservative" propaganda from some dippy broad in Canada to take part in any serious exchange of the issues.

Good question though.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-06   12:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: We The People (#83) (Edited)

What's too bad is that you appear to have gone completely insane.

I've tried my very best to not engage in name calling or innuendo with you, but when that is ALL that you do, even with your first post to me, it's kind of hard not to return fire.

I seem to remember that you and I were friends on LP. What has made you into the snide, petulant person that you are today?

I have a hard believing a male would use the word petulant, but then all you have to do is stop with the innuendo and present facts. Try it, you might even like it.

Like I said earlier when are you going to answer my question? Maybe you need to show some curiosity and an ability to research since you claim to be representative of the TP mentality. That is if it makes any difference to you if your "movement' lasts to the next election, because all I see in the TP is more empty suits.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   12:19:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Liberator (#71)

Liberator wrote:: It is [in]credible what these people in government have done to America.

Your correction of my statement seems innocent and thanks for the attempt. Here, let me explain my statement (in brief) because it was not clear.

buckeroo wrote: It is credible what these people in government have done to America, [too].

That is how I intended the statement to read. And, thanks for picking up on the apparent confusion. Now, let me amplify my statement; it won't take long to read and is largely historical in nature.

You see, 65+ years ago there were many changes occurring within American society largely because of the aftermath of WW2. Two significant events occurred as a direct result of WW2:

1) the Great Depression was eliminated for the USA, and

2) a true sense of American Patriotism reappeared for all the world to see.

Indeed, America was the sole victor of WW2 with other nations around the world shadowing us by magnitudes of order.

Many of the otherwise leading world's nations were distraught at the same time (certainly ALL that participated in WW2) and required a HUGE re-build effort. America's military/industrial machine during WW2 was somewhat recast to perform that re-build effort which lead directly to increased US private sector jobs; and the fact that America had returning soldiers with continuing women already trained within the workforce.

Of course, coupled with the victory of WW2, FDR signed the omnibus GI Bill (1944) which lead to inproved training and college for returning soldiers and zero down house payments for those wanting to buy a home. Typically most Americans wanting to buy a home were family oriented (often with two incomes) and wanting a family. Of course, a two income family requires two cars. These factors, spurred the national economy even more.

I want to point out, this is the phenomena that drove America to where it is today. WW2 reshaped the modern family unit from its agrarian roots into the industrial dependents we see today. It often goes unseen to many because most fine folks are too busy looking at the symptoms of problems as opposed to the root cause of failure and thus are lead on a false path for a method of solution, ie: voting for a Democrat or a Republican. The American political party system is incapable of repairing the destruction of the family unit in America. All one needs to see is the rise of divorce rates in America from the 1940's to today: 14% to about 55% per family unit.

The fracture of the American family unit has destroyed America; it was lead by the exhilaration of new found wealth and income and an incredible trust of American government leading contemporary social directive dynamics. Along with the gradual decay of the American family unit came even more gradual decay of American society and moral/ethical values has occured leading to contemporary political gridlock. As time continues, even more social progression shall occur as result, too, as the demise for and about the American family unit continues to occur.

Simultaneously, of course, as a trust worthy American government (as a world power) stood tall and fast with tenacious resolve as a result of WW2. One of the areas that many folks don't consider is the fundamental reason for American military being everywhere around the world. And it started with the National Security Act of 1947 signed into law by Harry Truman; when he left office, he said it was the worst mistake of his tenure as president. He created the CIA as well as centralized the Department of Defense. Tremendous authority and power was granted to these rogue groups BEGGING for US involvement and military action; they lead American government's response toward world issues; not a president or even Congress.

As a result of the National Security Act, America almost immediately became involved with South Korea. And ever since, America has been eternally at war draining America's tax base for nothing in return. The last war America had a formal declaration of war was based on WW2; ever since, Congress rubber-stamps the CIA/DoD requests upto and even including this "0bama" Libya interference issue.

So, back to my earlier statement to wrap up my remarcks:

buckeroo wrote: It is credible what these people in government have done to America, [too].

We have a decaying American society that largely believes in government which has an overreach of military power around the world. We are still riding on the "shirt-tails" of military victory from the vestiages of WW2.

As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   13:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeroo (#86)

As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

That's a silly conclusion, since historically it rarely meets the expectations of the instigators.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   13:18:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: mininggold (#87)

That's a silly conclusion

The American political party system can't repair the social decay of American families and simultaneously it can't remove American troops from around the world or the influences that the CIA has.

There is no repair of the two dynamics driving America today: war everywhere and social decay. It took some 60+ years to get where we are as of today and the only remedy is complete destruction of what we know American government is and about.

Again, there is only one remedy: total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

The endless "conservative" vs. "liberal" tug o' war arguments are silly other than entertainment value.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   13:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeroo (#88) (Edited)

The American political party system can't repair the social decay of American families and simultaneously it can't remove American troops from around the world or the influences that the CIA has.

There is no repair of the two dynamics driving America today: war everywhere and social decay. It took some 60+ years to get where we are as of today and the only remedy is complete destruction of what we know American government is and about.

Again, there is only one remedy: total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

The endless "conservative" vs. "liberal" tug o' war arguments are silly other than entertainment value.

Because you can't imagine the scenario doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

The Capitalist system you so admire thrives on wars and requires an absolute increase in the numbers of consumers in order to exist, so destroying this system to only implement a similiar one will only create the circumstances you say you hate in a few years. Meanwhile we are left weak, divided and vulnerable.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   13:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: buckeroo (#86)

Thanks for your extension overview and explanation of our post-WWII dynamics.

As a result of the National Security Act, America almost immediately became involved with South Korea. And ever since, America has been eternally at war draining America's tax base for nothing in return. The last war America had a formal declaration of war was based on WW2; ever since, Congress rubber-stamps the CIA/DoD requests upto and even including this "0bama" Libya interference issue.

You nailed it.

Ike saw it coming, and so did probably JFK (until his opinion was made redundant.)

As methods of solution: there are none with the singular exception of total collapse and a possible rebuild from the ground up.

Pragmatically speaking, your solution seems to be the only answer to anything that is so totally FUBAR as we obviously are. However, this just won't work in our case. Thus one solution is the dissolution of this nation (as we knew it) in stages and the genesis of newly created state sovereignties through individual legislatures. Of course CWII is a possibility.

Because of the Leftist fetish for "multiculturalism" at the expense of American nationalism and sovereignty, we are NOT anywhere near E pluribus unum. We are now Unum E Pluribus - Algore (that moron) had one thing right.

Let's just end the charade and have like-minded majorities create the Founders' model on provincial scales. Let the Commies and socialist drown in their own blood.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   13:38:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: mininggold (#89)

Because you can't imagine the scenario doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

The historical characteristics for a rising American economy don't exist anymore with the caveat that someone in the private sector could lead a new technological direction spurring economic activity; since it isn't apparent anywhere, those hopes are a bit optimistic, akin to winning the Lotto.

And relying on government intervention is no answer at all. In fact, it never was other than WW2 creating some of the foundations of American wealth in the twentieth century. Today, American government has permitted multinational conglomerates to camp just about everywhere but in the USA. They aren't coming back either.

The Capitalist system you so admire thrives on wars and requires an absolute increase in the numbers of consumers in order to exist, so destroying this system to only implement a similiar one will only create the circumstances you say you hate in a few years. Meanwhile we are left weak, divided and vulnerable.

Self-determinism and resolve is the only method of success that can be guaranteed; nothing positive can be expected from any government other than influences of cronies.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   13:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: mininggold, buckeroo, LF (#87)

the expectations of the instigators.

The expectations of the "instigators" (the WWII Era Bankster Elites and Leftists) has been met: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

The United States of America no longer a "nation."

The United States of America is no longer "United."

The so-called "States" are Federally-occupied lebensraum, "united" in name only.

Fact is we are a polyglot of aliens sitting on Star Wars cantata barstools pretending to know and like one another.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   13:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: buckeroo (#88)

The American political party system can't repair the social decay of American families and simultaneously it can't remove American troops from around the world or the influences that the CIA has.

There is no repair of the two dynamics driving America today: war everywhere and social decay. It took some 60+ years to get where we are as of today...

Dr. Frankenstein would have more of a chance of creating life from a corpse than the Dems and GOP un-doing the 60+ years of the rotting Corpus America.

The endless "conservative" vs. "liberal" tug o' war arguments are silly other than entertainment value.

I disagree.

Conservatives totally understand the problem and solution. They use forums as think-tanks in the hope of providing the best-case scenario other than "starting-from-scratch."

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   13:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Liberator (#90)

Because of the Leftist fetish for "multiculturalism" at the expense of American nationalism and sovereignty

Multiculturalism is another symptom of social decay in America. This socialism shall lead to more devolution of America thus splintering and fragmenting what was once a proud nation.

Good point. Over at Robin's nest, I believe I made points about "multiculturalism" concerning the recent issues in Norway; that is to say: strong reaction occurs in society as a result. I made excellent points but not many cared for them as (I suppose) I am not "leftist" enough. ROTFL

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator (#93)

Conservatives totally understand the problem and solution. They use forums as think-tanks in the hope of providing the best-case scenario other than "starting-from-scratch."

I think you "conservatives" are pushing on a rope hoping to accomplish something of significance; that is why I rarely (if ever) comment on those types of threads taking one position or another; for me, it is a waste of time.

The two-party system is loaded with compromises; it won't change either. The only way to get things accomplished is by "pulling a rope." That can't happen in America.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: buckeroo (#91)

Self-determinism and resolve is the only method of success that can be guaranteed; nothing positive can be expected from any government other than influences of cronies.

While that sounds nice, they are still just platitudes that were rarely able to be successfully implemented. The government of We the People has had a hand in the formation of all the great technologies here in the US, if only to supply a peaceful place for them to transpire and a currency for their valuation.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   14:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: buckeroo (#94) (Edited)

Multiculturalism is another symptom of social decay in America. This socialism shall lead to more devolution of America thus splintering and fragmenting what was once a proud nation.

There has been no time in our history where we did NOT have multiculturism. Only we were calling it the melting pot.

Over at Robins YOU indicated you only wanted YOUR brand of multiculturism and when it was pointed out that it was initally met with the same derision you currently hold for others you fled the scene.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   14:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: buckeroo (#95)

I think you "conservatives" are pushing on a rope hoping to accomplish something of significance; that is why I rarely (if ever) comment on those types of threads taking one position or another; for me, it is a waste of time.

Maybe we are; maybe we aren't. Everyone collective becomes a catalyst for one reaction or another. MAYBE you are the final straw that finally breaks the camel's back, Buck. There is no such thing as "Switzerland" in this battle.

The two-party system is loaded with compromises; it won't change either.

Doesn't appear it will, does it? But crazier things have happened. Without that hope, why bother at forums like this?

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   14:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: mininggold (#96)

The government of We the People has had a hand in the formation of all the great technologies here in the US....

Agree.

Of course, Bell Labs (AT&T) was awarded US federal grants to design the "transistor." A lot has happened in technology as a result. But what were the reasons? Can you answer that question?

Another example is US space travel through the government funded research into private industries (NASA acted as the arm for US grants of scientific research and later technological revolution); but what were the reasons? Can you answer that question?

.... if only to supply a peaceful place for them to transpire and a currency for their valuation.

I have no understanding of what you meant to say here; please rephrase.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Liberator (#93)

Conservatives totally understand the problem and solution.

Sure they do.

That's why they spent so much time, effort, and money promoting unelectable imbeciles like Sharron Angle and Christine ODonnell instead of going for a Senate majority.

Conservatives talk a good game but thats about it.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-06   14:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: mininggold (#97)

There has been no time in our history where we did NOT have multiculturism.

Celebrating "multiculturalism" at the expense of undermining and ridiculing our historical Eiropean-Christian underpinnings of American history and our Founders' identity is nothing but a wet-dream of Leftists. It has NEVER been a historical

It is a recent phenomenon that's responsible for the dissolution of American nationalism. Congratulations for the chaotic aftermath and Balkanization of all 50 states. We're no longer a "nation," but a tribal mess.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   14:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Thunderbird (#100) (Edited)

Conservatives....promoting unelectable imbeciles like Sharron Angle and Christine ODonnell instead of going for a Senate majority.

What good again are RINOs who routinely vote with Democrats?

Hey - you go ahead and humor the broad with the LARGE adams apple, LARGE hands, and five o'clock shadow. Nice standards.

Me? I prefer the real thing.

Conservatives talk a good game but thats about it.

You sound as though you're comfortable compromising on a lot of things.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   14:39:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Liberator (#101)

Celebrating "multiculturalism" at the expense of undermining and ridiculing our historical Eiropean-Christian underpinnings of American history and our Founders' identity is nothing but a wet-dream of Leftists. It has NEVER been a historical

Actually most blacks' ancestors predate those of the founders in the US. And those slavery practices by the "Eiropean-Christian underpinnings" sure were NEVER a source of contention.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   14:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: mininggold (#97)

Over at Robins YOU indicated you only wanted YOUR brand of multiculturism and when it was pointed out that it was initally met with the same derision you currently hold for others you fled the scene.

Let us review:

#59. To: buckeroo (#56)

I am not going out of my way to cite a specific example of your own mis-characterization of the issues that are on-going in Norway. But, this issue(s) presented are immense as any society attempts to regulate personal freedoms and liberties; I already mentioned that the use of government force to integrate a society creates "backlash" which causes these same issues.

That damned constitution even let all the Irish riff raff in.

You say you are of the Irish race, so you need to go back to your race's original homeland to make good on your thesis.

mininggold posted on 2011-07-23 14:18:25 ET

And I responded:

#61. To: mininggold (#59)

That damned constitution even let all the Irish riff raff in.

Most of that "integration" was during the GREAT WAR period, circa 1850s and 1860s. It really wasn't a "spark" of the Irish to immigrate to the US but because of the Potatoe Famine, largely caused by the British. And even then the Irish men and some children were quickly snapped upped into the Union's Army for landing in America to serve under America's first GOP President Abe Lincoln the GREAT KILLER.

You say you are of the Irish race, so you need to go back to your race's original homeland to make good on your thesis.

Thanks for the recommendation.

buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 14:39:52 ET

And then I went on to correct you:

#62. To: mininggold (#59)

And I want to clarify a popular misconception about people for you. 'Race' is not based on national heritage; it is based on obvious biological differences.

You are gravely mistaken in other words.

buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 14:46:52 ET

And your retort:

#63. To: buckeroo (#62)

And I want to clarify a popular misconception about people for you. 'Race' is not based on national heritage; it is based on obvious biological differences.

You are gravely mistaken in other words.

Actually before the advent of modern science it was based on whatever anyone in a position to make the rules wanted it to be. Much the same as it is now. As far as DNA differences are concerned there are virtually none that can't be attributed to as environmental adaptations.

The Irish race is different from all other races in it's ability to handle and metabolize ETOH and there is a preponderance of an occurrence of red hair and ruddy complexions. Two characteristics that don't appear together in any other race.

mininggold posted on 2011-07-23 14:57:08 ET

And my reply:

#65. To: mininggold (#63)

Actually before the advent of modern science it was based on whatever anyone in a position to make the rules wanted it to be. Much the same as it is now. As far as DNA differences are concerned there are virtually none that can't be attributed to as environmental adaptations.

I suppose you can maintain the Earth is flat and the Universe revolves around the Earth if you go back far enough; you are becoming defensive.

The Irish race is different from all other races in it's ability to handle and metabolize ETOH and there is a preponderance of an occurrence of red hair and ruddy complexions. Two characteristics that don't appear together in any other race.

Well, you left out the obvious facts that we enjoy Guinness malts and Bushmills fine refreshments. I particularly enjoy Red Breast but that is my own preference.

buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 15:07:37 ET

You never replied again. I guess you don't enjoy my candid responses.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: buckeroo (#94)

Multiculturalism is another symptom of social decay in America. This socialism shall lead to more devolution of America thus splintering and fragmenting what was once a proud nation.

This is obvious. And by design.

Good point. Over at Robin's nest, I believe I made points about "multiculturalism" concerning the recent issues in Norway; that is to say: strong reaction occurs in society as a result. I made excellent points but not many cared for them as (I suppose) I am not "leftist" enough. ROTFL

IF your points explained the justification of extinguishing cultural saboteurs as a defense mechanism and instinctive survival reflex, then I agree with you...

If I'm wrong, please explain your position.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   14:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: buckeroo (#104) (Edited)

You never replied again. I guess you don't enjoy my candid responses.

There's was no point once you went off on your flat earth tangent.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   14:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Liberator (#98)

Doesn't appear it will, does it?

Nope. There is none about a government that was NEVER intended to be that we see today in America. It is too big. And can't be modified for reduction by existing methods of the two-party system.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: mininggold (#97)

There has been no time in our history where we did NOT have multiculturism. Only we were calling it the melting pot.

Multiculturalism and "the melting pot" are different.

The melting pot means you give up your old countries was and adapt to the American culture.

Multiculturalism means you keep your own language you mainly associate with people from "the old country".

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   14:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: buckeroo (#107)

And can't be modified for reduction by existing methods of the two-party system.

Every house member is up for reelection every two years. We can change. It will be hard though and it isn't certain.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   14:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: mininggold (#106)

And, here I thought that you didn't enjoy my remarck within that same post:

Well, you left out the obvious facts that we enjoy Guinness malts and Bushmills fine refreshments. I particularly enjoy Red Breast but that is my own preference.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Liberator (#105)

IF your points explained the justification of extinguishing cultural saboteurs as a defense mechanism and instinctive survival reflex, then I agree with you...

You are correct however I didn't use your same or similar words.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   14:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: mininggold (#103) (Edited)

Actually most blacks' ancestors predate those of the founders in the US.

NOT relevant to "American culture"; Moreiver, there was no such thing as "multiculturalism" as you stated was "always" a "historical" fact.

Those slavery practices by the "Eiropean-Christian underpinnings" sure were NEVER a source of contention.

Slavery" isn't a "European-Christian underpinning" of American culture, nor has it EVER been. It was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers.

Did you realize that slavery is STILL practiced (of ALL places) IN MOTHER AFRICA?

But I note that this disturbs neither you, your fellow Leftists, OR Jesse Jackson OR your Dear Leader, Barry Hussein 0bama because there is NO money, propaganda benefit or ideological gain by addressing it.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   14:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: buckeroo (#111)

You are correct however I didn't use your same or similar words.

Don't worry - I won't indict you with my words.

"It's not surprising, then, they [White Pennsylvanians] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." ~ Comrade-in-Chief Barry Hussein 0bama

Liberator  posted on  2011-08-06   14:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: A K A Stone (#109)

Every house member is up for reelection every two years. We can change.

With a fractured society voting for these hoodlums? Please explain.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: buckeroo (#114)

With a fractured society voting for these hoodlums? Please explain.

I'm just saying it is possible. Not likely.

I've been reading through your posts. You've been making some good points.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:03:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Liberator (#112)

NOT relevant to "American culture"; Moreiver, there was no such thing as "multiculturalism" as you stated was "always" a "historical" fact.

Aaaah, now you tell me you hate Rock and Roll.

Slavery" isn't a "European-Christian underpinning" of American culture, nor has it EVER been. It was a temporary condition of economic nature forged by African and European profiteers.

Actually slavery was considered a normal occurrence in the Old and New Testaments. And plantation and other business owners in the USA pre 1860 who owned slaves were most often of European 'underpinning' and Christian.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Liberator (#113)

At Robin's Nest, there seemed to be a sense of "euphoria" when Norway's PM indicated that "more democracy" leads to "more freedom." I say that concept is diametrically opposing to the truth. "More democracy" leads to a police state or less freedom. And in the face of Norway's worst social disaster since WW2, they shall create further restraints upon individual freedoms, rights and liberties.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: mininggold (#116)

Actually slavery was considered a normal occurrence in the Old and New Testaments. And plantation and other business owners in the USA pre 1860 who owned slaves were most often of European 'underpinning' and Christian.

The slavery practiced in Biblical days was far different that practiced at the start of this nation.

The Bible forbid capturing people and enslaving them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: A K A Stone (#115)

You've been making some good points.

Well, it is too late for you. I have been conspiring behind your back with Moderator X. I think he is getting ready to take over.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: buckeroo (#117)

At Robin's Nest, there seemed to be a sense of "euphoria" when Norway's PM indicated that "more democracy" leads to "more freedom." I say that concept is diametrically opposing to the truth. "More democracy" leads to a police state or less freedom. And in the face of Norway's worst social disaster since WW2, they shall create further restraints upon individual freedoms, rights and liberties.

Now you are making gross misstatements based on differences of opinions.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: A K A Stone (#118) (Edited)

The slavery practiced in Biblical days was far different that practiced at the start of this nation.

The Bible forbid capturing people and enslaving them.

Slave owners in the US didn't capture and enslave them, they left the dirty work up to others. They bought them just like the Hebrews did.

mininggold  posted on  2011-08-06   15:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: mininggold (#121)

They bought them just like the Hebrews did.

Example where this happened. And where it was sanctioned.

Please.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-06   15:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: mininggold (#120)

Now you are making gross misstatements based on differences of opinions.

On that same thread was my retort to Robin:

#6. To: Robin (#5)

"The answer to violence, is even more democracy. Even more humanity"

Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.

buckeroo posted on 2011-07-23 9:54:06 ET

And then Robin's careful reply:

#8. To: buckeroo (#6)

Whenever I see that sort of sanctimonious framework or standard set for society, it reveals a total lie.

Considering the usual "war on terror", UnPatriot Act, knee-jerk reaction, I think he's very clever to get out in front of demands for protection that remove all liberty and freedom. IOW, the path America took, Norwegians are rejecting.

And the PM's other statement, makes it clear, that he's not backing-down on Norway's multiculturalism either.

"The answer to violence, is even more democracy. Even more humanity". "It's important to bear in mind that not all young white men are potential terrorists" -- Jens Stoltenberg, Norwegian Prime Minister"

Robin posted on 2011-07-23 9:58:48 ET Reply

Nope, Robin seems to believe in socialism as a method for American culture improvements while denying how reactionaries eventually lead to resistive characteristics about individual freedoms and liberties through government prevention.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-08-06   15:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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