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Title: Debt ceiling deal does not solve our fiscal woes
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The Washington Times
URL Source: http://communities.washingtontimes. ... oes-not-solve-our-fiscal-woes/
Published: Aug 1, 2011
Author: Vasko Kohlmayer
Post Date: 2011-08-01 18:35:11 by We The People
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Back slapping and smiles abounded as the president and congressional leaders reached a debt ceiling compromise last night. The deal, they said, will save us from falling over the fiscal cliff. Do not believe a word of it. The bipartisan deal does not alter the grim fact that the US government is saddled with far greater obligations than it can conceivably meet. Public debt of $14.5 trillion and long term unfunded liabilities well in excess of $100 trillion are simply an insurmountable burden. To put it plainly, the US federal government is bankrupt. The only reason its finances have not yet collapsed is due to the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency. Debt ceiling (Image: AP). Increase of debt ceiling will not address the heart of the problem. Normally when a country acquires more debt than it can carry, creditors dump its bonds and the currency falls apart. Most of our creditors know that we will not be able to pay our debts. They would love to dump their dollars, but they have a serious problem. There is really nowhere else they can put their money. Consider the alternatives. Should they sell dollars and buy euros instead? But the euro is as troubled as the dollar is. Or should they try the British pound or the Japanese yen? Those too happen to be heavily over-indebted and shaky. There are some currencies – such as the Swiss frank and the Canadian dollar – that are relatively healthy, but they are too small to be considered as global alternatives. The bottom line is that there is at the present time no currency that could reliably absorb the world's monetary reserves. The world is in a currency crisis and holders of reserves – whether national banks or private institutions – have no choice but to stick with the dollar for now. Sensing the train wreck ahead, creditors plead in desperation with our government to do something about its out-of-control spending. Unfortunately for them, American politicians – despite their rhetoric – have no intention of doing anything. Both Republicans and Democrats want the same thing: They want to spend more. The only difference between them is the kind of programs on which they want to spend. Even the fiscal hawks in the Republican party become dovish when it comes to cutting. Paul Ryan's plan The Road to Prosperity, which he released with much noise earlier this year, would not balance the budget for another thirty years. What this really means is that it would never balance the budget, because it is impossible to forecast anything with any degree of accuracy thirty years out. The far-off balancing date in Paul Ryan's budget was only a cop out. That much was obvious. Yet he still got savaged for his supposed fiscal “ruthlessness.” If the mere pretense of wanting to balance the budget makes one a political pariah, then you know we are in serious trouble as a country. If you really want to understand what is going on in our capitol when it comes to money and budgeting, you need to grasp one thing: There is only one party in Washington, D.C. It is the party of Big Spending. This is its modus operandi: The greater our debts, the more it wants to spend. Let us not forget that it was George Bush and the Republicans that set us on the road to never-ending bailouts and soaring budget shortages. Obama took it a step further and the Republicans cried fault. They complain about the deficits, but even the most fiscally “hawkish” among them do not want to balance the budget. Instead they pretend that little cuts around the edges will solve our problems. With an annual deficit of some $1.5 trillion, cutting two trillion over the next ten years is only a drop in the bucket. To have any chance, we would need to cut $1.5 trillion now just to stop the hemorrhage. This will not happen, of course. With such leadership as we have we are headed for disaster. The fact is that we are bankrupt, and we will eventually default. Raising the debt ceiling now only postpones the inevitable. Do not celebrate. Rather prepare for the crash. http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/vasko-kohlmayers-globe/2011/aug/1/debt-ceiling-deal-does-not-solve-our-fiscal-woes/
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#1. To: We The People, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0)
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Sen. Tom Coburn has a plan (Back in Black) to reduce government by 25% and cut spending by 9 Trillion, but nobody's paying any attention. Sen. Rand Paul has a plan for big cuts, but he's being ignored too. D's and R's ain't going to get it done. If the Tea Party wants to accomplish anything, they're going to have to throw both parties under the bus. Failing that, they'll go the way of Newt Gingrich's "Contract with America"... onto the ash-heap of history.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Now that the House has passed this bill maybe Boehner and Cantor can give us their jobs plan.
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ROFLMAO!!!!! I'll give you this - you have a firm grasp of the . . the . . the . . irrelevant . . . White House suck-up must pay REALLY well Meanwhile, back in the present universe . . .
It won't be as a result of anther bogus "solution" by your Dear Leader and the Dem economy arsonists, will it? Btw, can you explain why 0bama's $800 billion dollar "Stimulus" in 2009 stimulated nothing but the bowel activity of the US economy?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
White House suck-up must pay REALLY well Meanwhile, back in the present universe . . . Yeah, war's memory is conveniently...Alzheimers-like.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
The US "crisis" has always been in front of American's eyes. Today, the only difference is the degree that the MONSTER in Washington DC can up the ante.
This deal us nothing but nonsense. The government will spend 3,700 billion this year. THey will borrow 1,500 billion to do so. This bill will cut a tiny 4 billion out of this year's borrowing. It not even a pimple on the deficit's ass.
Employment is irrelevant? Does that mean that we will NOT be seeing a jobs plan out of Boehner and Cantor?
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Which means what? That they've passed a jobs program and I've forgotten it?
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For once you've gotten something correct. This BS was nothing more than trying to weaken a POTUS politically.
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By any measure the stimulus worked. You cannot argue otherwise. Well...otherwise honestly any way... But I do find it ironic that when the GOP won their "historic" victory last year that all of the Boofers of the world cackled that things were only going to get better...they would stop Obama in his tracks, extend the Bush tax cuts and get to work creating jobs... They've done two of the three and things have only gotten worse.
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All the stimulus did was postpone the inevitable cuts that state and local governments were going to have to make. Nothing was "stimulated." By any measure Obama has been an abysmal failure, which is why that Kenyan asshole is going to be thrown out of office in a year and a half and hopefully deported.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
I'm almost always correct. I deal in facts. You deal in ideology.
Yep. It just postponed the needed correction. Not just the stimulus, but also Obama's stupid tax credit for first time home buyers, cash for clunkers, and more. All they did was further distort markets that were already distorted by idiotic government programs.
Well...at leats you're batting .500 today... I deal in facts. You deal in ideology. Oops...one for three...
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Uh...the tax credits were part of the stimulus bill. One for four...
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YEP. That MONSTER is backed up front and center by their Pravdan media, who in unison just happens to parrot the SAME screeching pro-goob crisis/spending headline day after day. The Leftist/Statist media is the goob's b*tch (but then most of us realize that.)
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Does that mean that we will NOT be seeing a jobs plan out of Boehner and Cantor? But...but...Won't that mean LESS goob over-officiousness, LESS regulations, LESS destroying the coal/oil industries, LESS farm land destruction, LESS taxes, LESS fedgov spending, getting the hell out of THREE wars, and stopping fake $800b "stimulus" programs that produced ONLY more unnecessary fedgov and union work?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Which means what? That they've passed a jobs program and I've forgotten it? You claimed 0bama's sham $800 stim wuz productive. Can't you now admit is was a complete and utter waste? IF you're going to insist that it was a success, can you tell me exactly how? (I mean besides all the cutesy road works lined with flowers and bushes and new street signs?)
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Since you are more interested in scoring cheap debating points than discussing facts, you can join loonymom / whinyold on my bozo list. No more discussion for you.
The government will spend 3,700 billion this year. THey will borrow 1,500 billion to do so. This bill will cut a tiny 4 billion out of this year's borrowing. It not even a pimple on the deficit's ass. Correctamundo. WTH are the idiots celebrating? Devaluing an already plummeting dollar? That's all it accomplishes.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Why the hell must the welfare of the USA be secondary to the POTUS's commie agenda, weak leadership and sabotage of the country's economy and sovereignty? WHY are we in Libya again? Why did he shut down the US's coal and oil industries?? 0bama is America's Nero.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I made no such claim and I challenge you to buck up that claim.
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Chuckles...there was never any "discussion" between us. You say **stupid** things and get called on them.
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The position of Drama Queen has already been taken by Captialist Erica...you'll need to battle it out with her...
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Poor widdle baby, he got you good and proved you don't even know the definition of 'discussion'. Your 'facts' and 'debating points' got refuted and instead it hurt your widdle feeelings so you struck out immaturely in the only way you know how. That won't stop you from badmouthing those you Bozo though from behind your momma Erika's skirts though.
I'm sure you're capable of backtracking your posts to 2009 and even last year. I have neither the time or desire.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I'm positive YOU can spin my claim of "the POTUS's commie agenda, weak leadership and sabotage of the country's economy and sovereignty" into...the complete opposite. Even though that spin would be based on smoke and mirrors while utiizing a large BONG. Btw - that Janet Nappy is some hot broad, ain't she?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Actually Obama seems rather Reaganesque
On WHAT planet?? Nevermind.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Nevermind. That's true. He does have a bit to go before he raises the debt ceiling to a percentage comparable to that done by Reagan.
Does that mean that we will NOT be seeing a jobs plan out of Boehner and Cantor? (Liberator): But...but...Won't that mean LESS goob over-officiousness, LESS regulations, LESS destroying the coal/oil industries, LESS farm land destruction, LESS taxes, LESS fedgov spending, getting the hell out of THREE wars, and stopping fake $800b "stimulus" programs that produced ONLY more unnecessary fedgov and union work? war doesn't understand the concept of perspective. In a "normal" situation, a so-called jobs bill might be relevant (although he and his statist buddies would veto any effective bill, just for the items you mentioned). But this is no way a "normal" situation. It's more like the situation circa August 1945 in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan. And Zero is the one piloting the Enola Gay. Given that circumstance, I doubt the affected Japanese were worrying about "employment." But the thing to keep in mind about "war." Don't you dare criticize his god. He's got a pin-up picture of him after every post, for Pete's sake . . .
sorry, I forgot to ping you to 32
Are you seriously comparing the optimism and shape of the American economy, the trade deficit situation, the value of the dollar, and the growth of the economy during Reagan's Presidency....to TO-DAY?? My word - you really do dwell on Mars. Hey - do the little green men treat your "problem" with dignity?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Hear ya. War is a bright guy...until he enters his own private Spin Zone. Then he turns into Byeltsin on acid. This is no way a "normal" situation. It's more like the situation circa August 1945 in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan. And Zero is the one piloting the Enola Gay. Given that circumstance, I doubt the affected Japanese were worrying about "employment." GREAT metaphor. "Jobs" won't matter when we're irreversibly cratered. I am shocked that relatively informed leftists and liberals remain blinded to this...sh*tstorm that 0bama and the Dems are foisting upon ALL of us. Or rather they are just socialist-anarchists at heart, eh? The thing to keep in mind about "war." Don't you dare criticize his god. He's got a pin-up picture of him after every post, for Pete's sake . . . Funny thing: He's even blind to THAT.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
You think a major banking crisis created by Reagan's policies didn't affect the Reagan economy? Have you received your 'trickle down' yet? LOLOLOLOL
Prespective 1: Unemployment is over 9% "official" and in the teens when other aspects are factored in. GDP is 70% SPENDING. People don't spend when they aren't working. Perspective 2: Government spending accounts for $3trl of our GDP. Perspective 3: How are people waiting around for trickle down - which has never worked, btw - and cutting back 20% of GDP going to make this economy "healthy"? You can babble on about crticiziing or not criticizing Obama as if that is the debate. It isn't. Boehner and Cantor PROMISED jobs when they ran. They PROMISED jobs after they won. They PROMISED jobs with the extension of the Bush tax cuts. Where are they? It's two years after Obama took power and the GOP was able to curtail the stimulus bill to a shell of what it should have been. It's 7 months into the GOP's "resurgence" the GOP has exercised its power from the get go but, economically, the question now is WHEN DID we double dip - I'm picking June, btw,...not WILL we double dip... You can prattle on about Japan and Hiroshima as if that is some sort of argument. But you are sorely lacking on details. How will reducing spending in a down economy BOOST economic growth? How will cutting spending on infrastructure, which has a direct correlation to stimulating demand, BOOST economic growth? How will reducing education funding help this nation compete in the global market of not only hard goods but in the market of ideas as well? THOSE are the questions that YOU need to answer. My guess is that all I'll get back is more bullshit about me and Japan in a post that you forget to ping me to.
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The Reagan Adminstration was romamticized WHILE it was still in progress...why would you believe it would be any different now.
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Good grief; Reagan's economy, his love of America, and soaring optimism translated into THE best of times for America... And yes, I received my "trickle down" (actually, I went from 0-60 in no time - I bought three houses and two new cars during Reagan's 8 years that America kicked-ass.) Creativity, private enterprise and entrepreneurship were at our apex. It's not surprising that you socialists were depressed. And FYI, Reagan kept us O-U-T of wars during his eight splendid years (except for flexing a bicep during that little Grenada tour de force..)
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
And rightfully so. WHILE it was in progress. Now? Well, the Statist-Leftist virus plaguing the GOP probably wouldn't even allow Reagan into it "Big Tent." War...You voted for Reagan, didn't you? How were the years from 1981-1989 for you?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I don't. Some still insist on putting certain politicians on religious pedestals as proven by their reactions to any criticism of them. They show their emotional investment, by their taking it personally.
12 tax hikes...US goes from creditor to debtor nation...283 Marines slaughtered because the sentries guarding them weren't authorized to fire their weapons...dollar goes into free fall...stock market crash...banking crisis...US's number one export is jobs...deficits as far as the eye can see... But we did "defeat" 300 Cubans armed with shovels on the Island of Greneda... Yea...real "rightful"...
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Little selective amnesia over Beiruit and reflagging oil tankers in the Persian Gulf?
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Yes in 1984 because I hate Walter Mondale...at the beginning of 1981, I was fine but by the end of 1981, I barely had a pot to piss in. In 1989, I nearly lost my job thanks to the blowback from S&L deregulation...and my taxes went up each year that the 1987 tax reform was phased in. My best years economically were 1994-2001. And then again in 2007-2010. This year has been okay.
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The stim wasn't big enough nor was it targeted towards the demand side of the economy enough. It did Phase One of what a stim is supposed to do...stop a recession...but it did little beyond that...
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And they aren't working because US manufacturing has been sabotaged (a bi-partisan effort via China MFN status and NAFTA) and because 0bama is purposely undermining US domestic oil/coal production and exploration, farming, and small business through over-regulation and its anti-capitalist/leftist agenda. Perspective 2: Government spending accounts for $3trl of our GDP. MUST be reduced by 25% across the board. 0bama instead JACKS it up across the board. Perspective 3: How are people waiting around for trickle down - which has never worked, btw - and cutting back 20% of GDP going to make this economy "healthy"? You're kidding, right? THIS country's economy can ONLY be improved by helping the American private sector compete and excel against the foreign slave labor markets of China and other Third World nations and their itter lack of regs. Spending $800 billion dollar stim programs for unions and fedgove drones or training for jobs that do NOT exist any longer won't help us. You can babble on about crticiziing or not criticizing Obama as if that is the debate. It isn't. Boehner and Cantor PROMISED jobs when they ran. They PROMISED jobs after they won. They PROMISED jobs with the extension of the Bush tax cuts. Listen - the Dems have owned Congress since 2007...which just coincidentally happens to be the start of the American economy PLUNGING off a cliff. Boehner and Cantnor can't make good on jack-squat when ANY productive ideas on the table are deep sixed by the Dem Senate AND/OR vetoed and ridiculed by the tone-deaf Commie-in-Charge. It's two years after Obama took power and the GOP was able to curtail the stimulus bill to a shell of what it should have been. HUH?? LOL! You're delusional. Utterly and completely! It's 7 months into the GOP's "resurgence" the GOP has exercised its power from the get go but, economically, the question now is WHEN DID we double dip - I'm picking June, btw,...not WILL we double dip... Ooooooh...an entire SEVEN MONTHS!! R-i-g-h-t!! It's the GOP House's fault!! NOT the Dem Congress and President!! DOINK! How will reducing spending in a down economy BOOST economic growth? WE. DON'T. POSSESS. REVENUE. TO. SPEND (not counting Monopoly money.) Again - investment in business and industry IN AMERICA is the ONLY way to boost a dead economy - NOT phony "Stim programs." How will cutting spending on infrastructure, which has a direct correlation to stimulating demand, BOOST economic growth? Hey, here's an idea - how about the Four-War-Prez and Nobel Peace Prize winner proposing re-allocating war money TO spending it on the infrastructure?? How will reducing education funding help this nation compete in the gloabl market of not only hard goods but in the market of ideas as well? You may call it "education funding," but the reality is the NEA and University socialist propaganda doesn't really help in the Real World of jobs and capitalist innovation. If "education" was an issue in helping create wealth, Americans should be cranking out inventions, industries and an economy that reflect it; Instead we possess many of the dopiest people on the planet. THOSE are the questions that YOU need to answer. My guess is that all I'll get back is more bullshit about me and Japan in a post that you forget to ping me to. War, your questions created MORE questions to be answered - by YOU.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Perspective 2: Government spending accounts for $3trl of our GDP. Perspective 3: How are people waiting around for trickle down - which has never worked, btw - and cutting back 20% of GDP going to make this economy "healthy"? Where are they? Just as democrats blamed Hoover for the depression; Carter got blamed for the economic disaster of the late 70s, and your previous god Clinton got the credit for the boom-boom 90s; Obama gets the "credit" for the mess he's created. Sorry, but thems the rules. Understand now? How will cutting spending on infrastructure, which has a direct correlation to stimulating demand, BOOST economic growth? How will reducing education funding help this nation compete in the gloabl market of not only hard goods but in the market of ideas as well? THOSE are the questions that YOU need to answer. ALL GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO HELP THE ECONOMY IS GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY Aw, poor baby. I corrected my oversight 5 minutes later in the next post. I'll make sure to post a picture of Zero in it next time so you won't miss it.
You're too frickin' funny Libby... Your highlights... The 2007 recession, conicident to the dems resurgence is their fault but the 2011 Double Dip, coincident to the GOP/Tea resurgence Party is the...uh...Dems fault? You state this in full knowledge that the housing meltdown started in 2006, was abated somewhat by the HTC in the stim bill but because the GOP would not agree to open ended tax breaks, resumed its downward plunge not too long thereafter. Ditto car sales... As was pointed out, government spending is ~20% of GDP you want to cut 25% of that 20% and you ***think*** that will increase GDP. Can you tell me how you get a higher number by subtracting two positives? The stim should have had more demand side tax cuts and credits...typified by the housing tax credit and cash for clunkers. As it was, that was $300bln of the $800bln. The $500Bln left that you ***think*** was given to unions, was, in fact, mostly spent on infrastructure. And you need to kock of the talking points. EVERY statement that you ***think*** was a rebuttal was simply you regurgitating...talk radio...demonize the NEA...demonize colleges...
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And yet...somehow most of us recall an appreciable higher standard of living during that time AND confidence in the future of the US. Most of our debt can be attributed to imports of US for an economy and industries which were busy cranking out domestic wealth. 283 Marines slaughtered because the sentries guarding them weren't authorized to fire their weapons... As opposed to the Americans and RoE that are even worse because THEY ARE ON THE BATLLEFIELD. Btw, do you know how many Americans have been KIA or wounded after Nobel Peace Prize recipent 0bama's fake promise to get out of A-Stan and Iraq? dollar goes into free fall...stock market crash...US's number one export is jobs...deficits as far as the eye can see... You mean, "market correction" back in '87? ALL of that was NOTHING compared to now and 0bama's devaluing the dollar, crushing the real estate market, the stench of 0bama sabotaging American business, industry AND confidence to invest in the future. Hey - NICE leadership by 0bama (eyeball roll.) But we did "defeat" 300 Cubans armed with shovels on the Island of Greneda...Yea...real "rightful"... You would see that in those simple terms. So...what of it? THAT was the extent of Reagan's "wars." Admit it: PRETTY DAMN GOOD, wasn't he? How much money did he save us by eschewing war? How much international respect did it garner the US back then?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Petty petty petty. I'll bet you make a big stink over the sprig of parsley that may or may not come with your meal. Propriety, war. Where the hell is yours??
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
By 1981 Reagan's agenda had hardly been implemented. How'd you do from '82-'88? Good times or bad? Whether you personally did well or not, we know America was in GREAT relative shape emotionally, financially, socially, and on most counts. Even the culture of music and entertainment was better. As your taxes went up during the Reagn Years, I suppose your earnings did commensurately. 1994-2001 - which goob policies helped or hurt you?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
RIGHT! Look - can't you admit whatever Stim enacted needed to be directed at the private sector? And NOT for goob projects, political/partisan paybacks to select districts? Hell - don't you have problems with hiding the devil-in-the-details of every damn mega spending proposal? With NO debates over details?? Even Bush and the Congress did it during TARP.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I'm not going to comment on unsourced numbers. So...source them or they are moot. But I will make this observation: Between TARP, two wars, Part D, the tax cuts and Bush's 2008 "stim" he initiated over $5trillion in new spending including over $600bln in discretionary increases...under Obama, new spending has been just $1.5trl. ALL GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO HELP THE ECONOMY IS GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY Who is going to build and rebuild roads, bridges and other infrastructure? How is eliminating 20% of the economy going to be a positive.
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It was. You're really sticking your neck out on your ignorance here.
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Frankly, what helped me the most, initially, was Rubin rolling the government's debt maturities down the yield curve and making them of shorter duration. My wife and I also had an S Corp at the time and Clinton's 1993 Budget Act gave us all sorts of credits and breaks that helped us to expland...
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Actually...no...for those three years my income was about $55K but because of the phase out of deductions, my AGI and thus my taxes went up every year...
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Huh? Soldiers DIED and I'm being petty? Okay...
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Since you're so in love with statistics, here's one for you: Daily government spending in Zero's era: 4 billion Daily government spending in the Evil One's era: 1.6 billion I'm not going to comment on unsourced numbers. So...source them or they are moot. There you go again, trying to change the rules. You can damn well see that my "unsourced" numbers were in response to your "unsourced" numbers. Anything to deflect, huh? Oops! I rounded 3.81 Billion up to 4 Billion Make sure you focus on THAT
wha...huh?
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So your link works? There's nothing there that supports your "contrast". And what numbers do you believe that I did not source?
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Where are the costs of running FOUR wars in 0bama's column? In any case...should we believe this graph, OR reality?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Occasionally make your point unambiguously. I won't ding you for it - promise.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
My wife and I also had an S Corp at the time and Clinton's 1993 Budget Act gave us all sorts of credits and breaks that helped us to expland... Thanks... Well, sometimes timing is everything. Could it be argued that the foundation for your wealth and assets had its seed in the agenda and policies of Reagan?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Soldiers DIED and I'm being petty? You know damn well that's NOT my position. But thanks for the retarded stretch.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Make sure you focus on THAT Lol
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
You can argue anything that you want to argue... Reagan exported most of the jobs in my area to Europe and Japan so that made me go back to college full time the funding to which he promptly cut making me go deeper into debt... If you ***think*** that's a positive...sleep well...
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Your position was that "Reagan kept us out of wars"...when I pointed out that was bullshit anf gave examples as to why you claimed that I was being petty... There was no other way to take that...
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Which 3 years? Reagan wuz Prez for 8 years. Back in the 80s, an income of 55k was pretty good. And I suppose you took advantage of tax breaks and deduction expenses.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
You haven't supported your premise that the economic train wreck has anythign to do with the Obama presidency. You CANNOT make an unsupported statement and rely on that as an ongoing "truth" and, even worse, then turn it into a circular argument. Our economic woes predate Obama and he has HARDLY made them exponentially worse and, in some instances, he's abated the bleeding...or maybe you forget that we were bleeding hundreds of thousands of jobs a month when he took office?
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I stated the year that the tax reform began,...1987...
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There was no other way to take that... yeah, it was a cheap shot. That's ok. But what "bullshit"?? Reagan DID keep us out of wars; The isolated Lebanese terrorism and deaths of US military personnel was NOT a result of war, but a result of a military presence we've maintained all over the globe since WWII.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I think we all got whacked on that tax-reform. New capital gains taxation policies hurt the real estate market then as well. And concurrently, Wall St. and you.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
What war was there to keep us out of? He put us in the middle of Israel and Lebanon and he put us in the middle of Iraq and Iran..,do you forget the Stark "incident"? Do you forget us shooting down a civilian airliner leaving Iran? He ran a covert war in Central America...maybe you heard of it...Iran/Contra? Really...your statement and reality aren't neighbors there, Libby...
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Hey! If you can't rely on http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab282/SwimmerDad/Economics/24editorial_graph2 -popup.gif what CAN you rely on?
By the end of the 80's, anyone attached to fixed income was getting whacked. I used to believe as you believe...Reagan is more myth than man... I will grant you one point...I have ALWAYS been proud to be an American but I wasn't always willing to proclaim that...Reagan made it okay to be proud that you were proud... I remember Robin Williams doing this on some TV program in 82 or 83 and I was very impressed:
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When you can't attack the message...attack the source... Thanks, "Saul"... Meanwhile, you still have not sourced your numbers...too late for them to be considered anything but BULLSHIT.
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http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab282/SwimmerDad/Economics/24editorial_graph2 -popup.gif what CAN you rely on? "SwimmerDad"?? *wheezing snicker*
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
(war): You haven't supported your premise that the economic train wreck has anythign to do with the Obama presidency. You CANNOT make an unsupported statement and rely on that as an ongoing "truth" and, even worse, then turn it into a circular argument. Our economic woes predate Obama and he has HARDLY made them exponentially worse and, in some instances, he's abated the bleeding...or maybe you forget that we were bleeding hundreds of thousands of jobs a month when he took office? Once again, you've missed the point - either deliberately or intentionally. So once again I'll try to simplyfy: Unfairly. or. fairly. presidents. get. the. blame/credit. for. the. economic. health. during. their. administrations. That. is. a. concept. that. would. be. taught. in. economic. debate. 101. (please make sure you grasp that concept before we move on) I. cited. examples. - Hoover. Carter. Clinton. - where. this. had. happened. (so far, so good?) Ergo. Obama. gets. the. credit. for. the. shitty. economy. of. 2008. to. present. And please don't insult me by spinning and twirling that the economy is all hunky dory. Ok?
An elderly friend got whacked to the tune of $150,000 by Charles Keaton and his antics. She had to go back to work at the age of 65, after she found her retirement funds no longer existed. And the Tea Baggers here want to dismantle SS in order put their retirement money in instruments where more sharks similiar to that Charles Keaton can get at it. I did good though. I sold a racehorce to a VP of an S and L, who paid for it on that S and L's petty cash account. Needless to say within six months he was in jail and the S and L was a US Bank. And the horse won at first asking.
I'll drink to that. On me, war.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Cheap debating points. (a la "DUMMY DwarF") Kicking the can down the road, while they work like mad to swindle as much money as possible for themselves, before the inevitable collapse. The more time they have to scam the system before it collapses, the better for them... and the worse for us. I've said it before- they'll throw their own mothers under the bus, to buy themselves even one more hour...
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
Why would I? We've had an ongoing financial crisis in this nation since HUD literally gave away the banks to housing market speculators in 2003...liar loans...no money down...125% refi's... I was one of the very few who predicted it and I have my arguments with ImStillRght and Boofer at LP to prove it. I saw this mess coming a good 2 years before it hit. I called the recession to the month. There has never been an economic dislocation this severe that was "austeritied" its way out of as the Tea Party is trying to have us do...
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In the context of eight years and NO, he didn't put us amidst Iran and Iraq, the above is quite incidental and trivial compared to ANY 8 years before or since. Oh, and still: ZERO wars! He ran a covert war in Central America...maybe you heard of it...Iran/Contra? Was that a "war" OR just one of many covert ops the US has run since the end of WWII?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Feel free to make a point for a change...
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5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
The more time they have to scam the system before it collapses, the better for them... and the worse for us. I've said it before- they'll throw their own mothers under the bus, to buy themselves even one more hour... Extremely well done on both imagery and the tangible negative effects. Still...they got away with even MORE flim-flam. Of course their media-b*tches praise 0bama, the Dems and even the feckless GOP "leadership" for every spike driven into the coffin. But hey - by the time these ghoulish multi-millionaire sell-outs are out of office and living in luxury guarded gated communities, guarded estates, or even in Switzerland or the Caymans, WE'LL be shopping sale on Soylent Green.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
We all did? -- Well, if you were a tax cheat, doing things like making up deductions for non-existent children, then yes, you got whacked. -- If you were using a whole bunch of dubious (but often technically legal) deductions to shelter your money, then you got whacked. It DID change the rules in the middle of the game, but the long term effect was to create a much fairer, and more stable tax system, at least so much as it hasn't since been dismantled. As for myself, I paid less taxes.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
AKA, blah, blah, blah... Isn't THIS what you've just done with your worthless post?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Congrats! That's a rare feat, even if he wasn't yours at the time.
Are you always so literal?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Don't you get tired of talking to that gas bag?
------------------------------------- Talking point 36A - "Demonize Tea-Party". Check. Look, you can have all the problems with the Tea Party that you want to. Me? I look at it this way. You've got a 12-alarm fire going. The building is about to burn to the ground. The tea party's solution is to piss on the fire. Zero, the estab repubs, and the leftist dems solution is to pour gasoline on the fire. In the end, both solutions will fail. (This country as we know it is toast) But at least the tea party's solution doesn't seem to be as crazy.
Thank's for admitting he raised taxes primarily on elderly pensioners and retirees, who had played the game legally on the advice of the financial planners of the day. Too bad those next in line didn't learn from their mistakes.
Where did I "demonize" the Tea Party? Hell, where did I even mischaracterize what it is that they are doing? They are trying to move the US into draconian budget cuts coupled to the evisceration of socail programs. That is a true statement, is it not? My question is, when has that policy ever worked in an economic downturn?
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She reads the words, but the question is one of comprehension. She ain't got it.
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
Isn't THIS what you've just done with your worthless post? I'll admit, I am stealing Eric's role here. But congratulatrions!!! You win!!! Your whole spiel today is disinfo tactics.
Libby is okay 70% of the time...it's the 30% that can be a pain in the ass... I bozo'd Paddy today, tho...tired of his "Obama is a nigger" responses to me...
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Dammit, you KNOW how dummy-DwarF is impervious to logic and "common-sense." As dummy-DwarF daily demonstrates, "common-sense" is NOT so common...
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
The 86 tax reform act was bipartisan supported by Gephart, Moynihan, et al. The idea that retirees needed such tax shelters has long since been laid to rest by those today who make the same type of investments and no longer need the tax shelters. Nobody's money was stolen. You just liquidate and restructure.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
jwpegler bozo'd you for using him as a punching bag.
She ain't got it. I know. And really, how many liberals do?? I've noted in many a time that many liberals/leftists might be bright, but suddenly act as though they've been lobotomized when the subject breaches 0bama...or the toxic ideological shortcomings of the Democrat Party, socialism and statism.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I know...hilarious...
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The idea that retirees needed such tax shelters has long since been laid to rest by those today who make the same type of investments and no longer need the tax shelters. Nobody's money was stolen. You just liquidate and restructure. There are no tax shelters being used today? Oh my, I guess I better talk to my accountant.
In the economic downturn we're currently in, it won't. I gave you my opinion in the remainder of post 92: Me? I look at it this way. You've got a 12-alarm fire going. The building is about to burn to the ground. The tea party's solution is to piss on the fire. Zero, the estab repubs, and the leftist dems solution is to pour gasoline on the fire. In the end, both solutions will fail. (This country as we know it is toast) But at least the tea party's solution doesn't seem to be as crazy
Analyzihg and criticizing your political gods doesn't make one a liberal.
"Disinfo"? Gonna call me "a nutless and gutless CT" while you're at it? Stop using yukonian tactics on me....(sob, sniffle.) LOL
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
WHO exactly is my "god" again?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I would imagine Reagan and Palin since any critique gets you all emotional.
Not like there were in 1986
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
You are right about that since many tax shelters now require minimum investments.
He reflagged Kuwaiti tankers as US tankers and not only had them sailing in waters that separated two belligerent nations but in disputed waters as well...
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They added more gas to it than the centrists did. A few weeks ago, there was an opportunity to get not only meaningful cuts that would impact both debt and deficits but common sense revenue raising that would have not detracted from growth and further cut into debt and deficits. I have never, ever heard of anyone or anything being able to pay down debt by reducing its income.
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Sorta like a bouncer on steroids stepping in between two little assholes at a bar. Clever move IMO.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
It resulted in the death of 37 ssailors. Not so smart... What often ahppens to a bouncer on steroids stepping in between two little assholes at a bar...
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I have never, ever heard of anyone or anything being able to pay down debt by reducing its income. I have never heard of a credit card company that keeps on raising someone's credit limit even after it's been determined that payments are consistently either late OR NOT rendered. The obvious and simple solution (as in individuals' case) ....is REDUCING EXPENDITURES - Something NO goobermint at any municipal, state, or fedgov level appears compelled to do because then "granny won't get her SS check." This is blackmail, plain and simple. As to the Tea Party's position....well SOMEONE has got to be the adult who sez "NO, we can't to buy afford the BMW 7 Series!! We're BROKE!!"
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Isn't THIS what you've just done with your worthless post? The context of this is that Erica often posts that as a response,....MG is just throwing her words back at her.
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Not so smart... Sometimes breaking up a beef in a bar is a dangerous place.... It was a bit better than the senseless deaths of 2,500+ lives as in A-Stan or almost 5,000 lives in Iraq (NOT including injuries), isn't it?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Nor have I cupcake...what does that have to do with anything? There are investors out there who are willing to purchase US debt which has always been paid on time. The obvious and simple solution (as in individuals' case) ....is REDUCING EXPENDITURES - As has been pointed out a grillion and - now - one times...cutting alone isn't going to get it done. The Bush tax cuts which contributed mightily to the debt and deficits need to be undone...
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Don't agree. At all.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Unlike you, I can be objective about ANY one.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
HUH?? What do bakery goods have to do this subject matter...lol.... What does [raising credit card limits in deadbeats like the US goob] that have to do with anything? There are investors out there who are willing to purchase US debt which has always been paid on time. Yes....by STEALING from the US Taxpayer. What's OUR recourse again?? Oh, that's right - we're supposed to STFU and keep bending over, eh?? ...cutting alone isn't going to get it done. Ummm...YES it CAN. What ain't gonna cut it is pinching a penny of debt out of a dollar. ...The Bush tax cuts which contributed mightily to the debt and deficits need to be undone... Why you keep insisting that refunding overcharged taxpayers is some kind of huge factor is a mystery to me. It's NOT. The FAT elephant in the room is: the ungodly number of fedgov employees and agencies, their respective lofty salaries, bennies and golden parachutes; un-necessary military/war expenditures; and generational deadbeat parasites and illegal invaders whose FREEBIES that need to be SLASHED.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
That argument is infantile. We have a representative government under which tax policy is enacted. Nothing is being stolen from us. The government IS "us". There are several other systems of government as well as several other nations under which you are more than welcome to go and pledge your fealty. Otherwise, elect candidates who believe that you don't have to pay taxes for anything...roads...bridges...dams...food and drug safety...etc etc etc. If not, knock off the "stolen from" nonsense. It's a stupid argument. Why you keep insisting that refunding overcharged taxpayers... Oh...so now it's not stolen but overcharged? In 2001, this nation had $5trl in debt. No one was being overcharged when the US was in, if not a budget deficit, a structural one. Those tax cuts were moronic then and look even more so in hindsight...
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You look foolsih in the face of his record here. S/He posted this thread a few months ago and then went on a rampage using nothing but those points in his responses...
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I've never seen you post even one objective post here. All someone has to do is mention Palin, Reagan or describe some kind of homo act and you are all over it with your non sequiturs.
Nice fairy tale ain't it? Too bad we are no longer a "representative government." You do know our SS was stolen (or in fedgov-speak - "re-allocated.") They are piling up debt upon debt for our children and grandchildren - yes, THAT damn well IS "stealing" from the next generations. There are several other systems of government as well as several other nations under which you are more than welcome to go and pledge your fealty. Otherwise, elect candidates who believe that you don't have to pay taxes for anything...roads...bridges...dams...food and drug safety...etc etc etc. If not, knock off the "stolen from" nonsense. It's a stupid argument. Our reps are NOT representing US citizens by stealing OUR money and giving it to foreign banks, governments, citizens, and illegal invaders - OR do you think otherwise?? What planet are you on? Why you keep insisting that refunding overcharged taxpayers... Ummm...because we ARE being overcharged? Since when should I pay for "Nation Building" a Third World Muslim sh*thole or any other nation as our infrastructure is crumbling?? Oh...so now it's not stolen but overcharged? It's actually both. In 2001, this nation had $5trl in debt. No one was being overcharged when the US was in, if not a budget deficit, a structural one. Those tax cuts were moronic then and look even more so in hindsight... The theft of and overcharging the US taxpayer for bullsh*t obviously didn't begin with 0bama.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Put the bottle down and have another cup of coffee. Some solutions are VERY simple. All someone has to do is mention Palin, Reagan or describe some kind of homo act and you are all over it with your non sequiturs. (see above)
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I don't pay attention to dummy-DwarF or ming. The dummy is lib shill. ming (silly bimbo that she is) flips back and forth between ming and lucysmom, so that she can have "conversations" with herself. Neither is worthy of consideration.
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
I don't know where you live but I voted for a US Rrepresentative AND a US Senator last year. I voted for the one whom I believed either most reflected my beliefs or whose judgement I could trust enough should I be equivocal in an instance. Feel badly for you. You do know our SS was stolen (or in fedgov-speak - "re-allocated.") They are piling up debt upon debt for our children and grandchildren - yes, THAT damn well IS "stealing" from the next generations. SS is not in debt. You're confused. The government has borrowed from the SS account aka the SS Trust Fund. You may recall that in 2000, Gore said that any budget surplus would be used to pay down the government securities that the government had given to SS as "collateral". The guy he beat in that election thought it more important to squander the budget surplus and not pay down debt. For his efforts, Gore was laughed at and denied his rightful office by an activist Supreme Court which issued a "one time decision" that was based upon no law or constitutional principle. Anyway, I digress...but I do note the irony that the people who scream loudest about the debt and deficits are also the biggest vocal defenders of a moronic fiscal policy that put us back in this path to fiscal ruin. Ummm...because we ARE being overcharged? Since when should I pay for "Nation Building" a Third World Muslim sh*thole or any other nation as our infrastructure is crumbling?? You shouldn't have to and I agree. There are several nations which do not send any doallrs overseas in the guise of "foreign aid". Want a list of them? Or, you do what I do, weigh that issue against other issues when making your vote. Sadly, both of the major party candidates I could choose from last year BOTH agree that foreign aid is necessary.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
ny = Nazi Youth?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
You're rapidly becoming irrelevant to my participation here...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Spot on!
LOL.
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
All someone has to do is mention Palin, Reagan or describe some kind of homo act and you are all over it with your non sequiturs. (see above) Really, when are you going to stop with the same stupid BS that seems to always support my contentions about you?
Can you even get it though your thick statist skull that history shows that CUTS NEVER COME? One Congress cannot demand something of a future Congress Are you really that dumb?
Only because of the unwillingness of the participants. One Congress cannot demand something of a future Congress Sure it can...the laws of the Republic are nothing less than perpetual unless specifically set to expire. Are you really that dumb? No...I just figured that you needed some help with your self-esteem...how's it working so far?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Can you even get it though your thick statist skull that history shows that CUTS NEVER COME? Only because of the unwillingness of the participants. You do understand that the participants are liars and theives (a.k.a. political hacks), right? Thanks for making my point.
The day you dry out.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
There is only one party in Washington, D.C. It is the party of Big Spending.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#2. To: We The People (#0)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#3. To: war (#2)
Now that the House has passed this bill maybe Boehner and Cantor can give us their jobs plan.
#4. To: war, We The People (#2)
Now that the House has passed this bill maybe Boehner and Cantor can give us their jobs plan.
#5. To: Get Outta Dodge!, war (#3)
I'll give you this - you have a firm grasp of the . . the . . the . . irrelevant . . .
#6. To: We The People (#0)
#7. To: We The People (#0)
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. -- Voltaire
#8. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#3)
I'll give you this - you have a firm grasp of the . . the . . the . . irrelevant . . .
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#9. To: Liberator (#5)
Yeah, war's memory is conveniently...Alzheimers-like.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#10. To: jwpegler (#7)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#11. To: Liberator (#4)
(Edited)
Btw, can you explain why 0bama's $800 billion dollar "Stimulus" in 2009 stimulated nothing but the bowel activity of the US economy?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#12. To: war (#11)
#13. To: war (#10)
For once you've gotten something correct.
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. -- Voltaire
#14. To: no gnu taxes (#12)
All the stimulus did was postpone the inevitable cuts that state and local governments were going to have to make.
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. -- Voltaire
#15. To: jwpegler (#13)
I'm almost always correct.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#16. To: jwpegler (#14)
Not just the stimulus, but also Obama's stupid tax credit for first time home buyers, cash for clunkers, and more.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#17. To: buckeroo (#6)
The US "crisis" has always been in front of American's eyes. Today, the only difference is the degree that the MONSTER in Washington DC can up the ante.
#18. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#8)
Employment is irrelevant?
#19. To: war (#9)
("Yeah, war's memory is conveniently...Alzheimers-like.")
#20. To: war (#16)
One for four...
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. -- Voltaire
#21. To: jwpegler, We The People (#7)
This deal us nothing but nonsense.
#22. To: war (#10)
This BS was nothing more than trying to weaken a POTUS politically.
#23. To: Liberator (#19)
You claimed 0bama's sham $800 stim wuz productive.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#24. To: jwpegler (#20)
Since you are more interested in scoring cheap debating points than discussing facts, you can join loonymom / whinyold on my bozo list. No more discussion for you.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#25. To: Liberator (#22)
Why the hell must the welfare of the USA be secondary to the POTUS's commie agenda, weak leadership and sabotage of the country's economy and sovereignty?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#26. To: jwpegler, war (#20)
Since you are more interested in scoring cheap debating points than discussing facts, you can join loonymom / whinyold on my bozo list. No more discussion for you.
#27. To: war (#23)
(Edited)
I made no such claim and I challenge you to buck up that claim.
#28. To: war (#25)
#29. To: Liberator (#28)
#30. To: mininggold (#29)
Actually Obama seems rather Reaganesque
#31. To: Liberator (#30)
On WHAT planet??
#32. To: Liberator (#18)
(war): employment is irrelevant?
#33. To: war (#32)
#34. To: mininggold (#31)
That's true. He does have a bit to go before he raises the debt ceiling to a percentage comparable to that done by Reagan.
#35. To: Get Outta Dodge!war (#32)
war doesn't understand the concept of perspective. In a "normal" situation, a so-called jobs bill might be relevant (although he and his statist buddies would veto any effective bill, just for the items you mentioned).
#36. To: Liberator (#34)
Are you seriously comparing the optimism and shape of the American economy, the trade deficit situation, the value of the dollar, and the growth of the economy during Reagan's Presidency....to TO-DAY??
#37. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#32)
(Edited)
war doesn't understand the concept of perspective.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#38. To: mininggold (#36)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#39. To: mininggold (#36)
You think a major banking crisis created by Reagan's policies didn't affect the Reagan economy? Have you received your 'trickle down' yet? LOLOLOLOL
#40. To: war, mininggold (#38)
The Reagan Adminstration was romamticized WHILE it was still in progress...why would you believe it would be any different now.
#41. To: war (#38)
(Edited)
The Reagan Adminstration was romamticized WHILE it was still in progress...why would you believe it would be any different now.
#42. To: Liberator (#40)
And rightfully so. WHILE it was in progress.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#43. To: Liberator (#39)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#44. To: Liberator (#40)
(Edited)
War...You voted for Reagan, didn't you? How were the years from 1981-1989 for you?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#45. To: Liberator (#27)
I'm sure you're capable of backtracking your posts to 2009 and even last year. I have neither the time or desire.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#46. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#37)
Prespective 1: Unemployment is over 9% "official" and in the teens when other aspects are factored in. GDP is 70% SPENDING. People don't spend when they aren't working.
#47. To: war (#37)
Prespective 1: Unemployment is over 9% "official" and in the teens when other aspects are factored in. GDP is 70% SPENDING. People don't spend when they aren't working.
Since you're so in love with statistics, here's one for you:
Daily government spending in Zero's era: 4 billion
Daily government spending in the Evil One's era: 1.6 billion
You can babble on about crticiziing or not criticizing Obama as if that is the debate. It isn't. Boehner and Cantor PROMISED jobs when they ran. They PROMISED jobs after they won. They PROMISED jobs with the extension of the Bush tax cuts.
It's understandable that you want to defelct the blame for the economic train- wreck away from your messiah, but it doesn't work that way. You cannot arbitrarily change the rules in the middle of the game. It's two years after Obama took power and the GOP was able to curtail the stimulus bill to a shell of what it should have been.
Was that the same stimulus bill that bailed out Zero's friends and supporters in the Unions? It's 7 months into the GOP's "resurgence" the GOP has exercised its power from the get go but, economically, the question now is WHEN DID we double dip - I'm picking June, btw,...not WILL we double dip...
You say they exercised their "power" - I say they haven't. Why is Obamacare still funded? You can prattle on about Japan and Hiroshima as if that is some sort of argument. But you are sorely lacking on details.
Sorry the analogy went over your head. I'll use simpler examples next time. Here's one that's really simple. Obama = incompetent = in over his head = unmitigated disaster. How will reducing spending in a down economy BOOST economic growth?
You won't like or agree with the answer because you're a big-government statist, but here goes: My guess is that all I'll get back is more bullshit about me and Japan in a post that you forget to ping me to.
#48. To: Liberator (#46)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#49. To: war (#42)
12 tax hikes...US goes from creditor to debtor nation...
#50. To: war (#43)
Little selective amnesia over Beiruit and reflagging oil tankers in the Persian Gulf?
#51. To: war (#44)
Yes [I voted for Reagan] in 1984 because I hate Walter Mondale...at the beginning of 1981, I was fine but by the end of 1981, I barely had a pot to piss in. In 1989, I nearly lost my job thanks to the blowback from S&L deregulation...and my taxes went up each year that the 1987 tax reform was phased in. My best years economically were 1994-2001. And then again in 2007-2010. This year has been okay.
#52. To: war (#45)
The stim wasn't big enough nor was it targeted towards the demand side of the economy enough.
#53. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#47)
Since you're so in love with statistics, here's one for you:
Daily government spending in Zero's era: 4 billion
Daily government spending in the Evil One's era: 1.6 billion 
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#54. To: Liberator (#52)
Look - can't you admit whatever Stim enacted needed to be directed at the private sector?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#55. To: Liberator (#51)
(Edited)
1994-2001 - which goob policies helped or hurt you?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#56. To: Liberator (#51)
As your taxes went up during the Reagn Years, I suppose your earnings did commensurately.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#57. To: Liberator (#50)
Petty petty petty.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#58. To: war (#53)
#59. To: Liberator (#50)
Most of our debt can be attributed to imports of US for an economy and industries which were busy cranking out domestic wealth.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#60. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#58)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#61. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#53)
#62. To: war (#54)
#63. To: war (#55)
Frankly, what helped me the most, initially, was Rubin rolling the government's debt maturities down the yield curve and making them of shorter duration.
#64. To: war (#57)
Huh?
#65. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#58)
Oops! I rounded 3.81 Billion up to 4 Billion
#66. To: Liberator (#63)
Well, sometimes timing is everything. Could it be argued that the foundation for your wealth and assets had its seed in the agenda and policies of Reagan?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#67. To: Liberator (#64)
You know damn well that's NOT my position.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#68. To: war (#56)
For those three years my income was about $55K but because of the phase out of deductions, my AGI and thus my taxes went up every year...
#69. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#47)
It's understandable that you want to defelct the blame for the economic train- wreck away from your messiah, but it doesn't work that way. You cannot arbitrarily change the rules in the middle of the game.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#70. To: Liberator (#68)
Which 3 years? Reagan wuz Prez for 8 years.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#71. To: war (#67)
(Edited)
Your position was that "Reagan kept us out of wars"...when I pointed out that was bullshit anf gave examples as to why you claimed that I was being petty...
#72. To: war (#70)
I stated the year that the tax reform began,...1987...
#73. To: Liberator (#71)
Reagan DID keep us out of wars...
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#74. To: Liberator, war (#61)
In any case...should we believe this graph, OR reality?
#75. To: Liberator (#72)
I think we all got whacked on that tax-reform. New capital gains taxation policies hurt the real estate market then as well. And concurrently, Wall St. and you.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#76. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#74)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#77. To: Get Outta Dodge!, war (#74)
Hey! If you can't rely on
#78. To: war (#69)
(G.O.D.): It's understandable that you want to defelct the blame for the economic train- wreck away from your messiah, but it doesn't work that way. You cannot arbitrarily change the rules in the middle of the game.
#79. To: war (#75)
(Edited)
By the end of the 80's, anyone attached to fixed income was getting whacked.
#80. To: war (#75)
I will grant you one point...I have ALWAYS been proud to be an American but I wasn't always willing to proclaim that...Reagan made it okay to be proud that you were proud...
#81. To: Liberator (#21)
WTH are the idiots celebrating? Devaluing an already plummeting dollar? That's all it accomplishes.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#82. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#78)
And please don't insult me by spinning and twirling that the economy is all hunky dory. Ok?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#83. To: war (#73)
He put us in the middle of Israel and Lebanon and he put us in the middle of Iraq and Iran..,do you forget the Stark "incident"? Do you forget us shooting down a civilian airliner leaving Iran?
#84. To: Capitalist Eric (#81)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#85. To: Capitalist Eric (#81)
#86. To: Capitalist Eric (#81)
Kicking the can down the road, while they work like mad to swindle as much money as possible for themselves, before the inevitable collapse.
#87. To: Liberator (#72)
think we all got whacked on that tax-reform
#88. To: mininggold, Capitalist Eric (#85)
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
#89. To: mininggold (#79)
And the horse won at first asking.
#90. To: no gnu taxes (#87)
We all did?
#91. To: war (#73)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#92. To: war (#82)
There has never been an economic dislocation this severe that was "austeritied" its way out of as the Tea Party is trying to have us do...
#93. To: no gnu taxes (#87)
(Edited)
If you were using a whole bunch of dubious (but often technically legal) deductions to shelter your money, then you got whacked
#94. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#92)
(Edited)
Talking point 36A - "Demonize Tea-Party". Check.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#95. To: Liberator (#88)
Isn't THIS what you've just done with your worthless post?
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#96. To: Liberator (#88)
AKA, blah, blah, blah...
#97. To: Biff Tannen (#91)
Don't you get tired of talking to that gas bag?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#98. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#92)
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#99. To: Capitalist Eric (#98)
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
#100. To: mininggold (#93)
#101. To: war (#97)
#102. To: Capitalist Eric (#95)
She reads the words, but the question is one of comprehension.
#103. To: Fred Mertz (#101)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#104. To: no gnu taxes (#100)
The 86 tax reform act was bipartisan supported by Gephart, Moynihan, et al.
#105. To: war (#94)
(Edited)
My question is, when has that policy ever worked in an economic downturn?
Look, you can have all the problems with the Tea Party that you want to.
#106. To: Liberator (#102)
I've noted in many a time that many liberals/leftists might be bright, but suddenly act as though they've been lobotomized when the subject breaches 0bama...or the toxic ideological shortcomings of the Democrat Party, socialism and statism.
#107. To: mininggold, Capitalist Eric (#96)
I'll admit, I am stealing Eric's role here. But congratulatrions!!! You win!!! Your whole spiel today is disinfo tactics.
#108. To: mininggold (#106)
Analyzihg and criticizing your political gods doesn't make one a liberal.
#109. To: Liberator (#108)
(Edited)
WHO exactly is my "god" again?
#110. To: mininggold (#104)
There are no tax shelters being used today? Oh my, I guess I better talk to my accountant.
#111. To: no gnu taxes (#110)
(Edited)
Not like there were in 1986
#112. To: Liberator (#83)
...and NO, he didn't put us amidst Iran and Iraq
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#113. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#105)
The tea party's solution is to piss on the fire.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#114. To: war (#112)
[Reagan] reflagged Kuwaiti tankers as US tankers and not only had them sailing in waters that separated two belligerent nations but in disputed waters as well...
#115. To: Liberator (#114)
Sorta like a bouncer on steroids stepping in between two little assholes at a bar. Clever move IMO.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#116. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#113)
They [the Tea Party] added more gas to it than the centrists did...
#117. To: Liberator, Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#88)
AKA, blah, blah, blah...
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#118. To: war (#115)
It resulted in the death of 37 ssailors.
#119. To: Liberator (#116)
I have never heard of a credit card company that keeps on raising someone's credit limit even after it's been determined that payments are consistently either late OR NOT rendered.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#120. To: war, Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#117)
The context of this is that Erica often posts that as a response,....MG is just throwing her words back at her.
#121. To: mininggold (#109)
I would imagine Reagan and Palin since any critique gets you all emotional.
#122. To: war (#119)
(Edited)
Nor have I cupcake...
#123. To: Liberator (#122)
Yes....by STEALING from the US Taxpayer. What's OUR recourse again?? Oh, that's right - we're supposed to STFU and keep bending over, eh??
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#124. To: Liberator (#120)
Don't agree. At all.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#125. To: Liberator (#121)
Unlike you, I can be objective about ANY one.
#126. To: war (#123)
That argument is infantile. We have a representative government under which tax policy is enacted. Nothing is being stolen from us. The government IS "us".
#127. To: mininggold (#125)
I've never seen you post even one objective post here.
#128. To: Liberator, war, mininggold (#120)
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#129. To: Liberator (#126)
(Edited)
Nice fairy tale ain't it? Too bad we are no longer a "representative government."
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#130. To: Capitalist Eric (#128)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#131. To: war, Liberator, Capitalist Eric, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#129)
I voted for the one whom I believed either most reflected ny beliefs
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#132. To: hondo68 (#131)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#133. To: war (#130)
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.
#134. To: hondo68 (#131)
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#135. To: Liberator (#127)
Put the bottle down and have another cup of coffee. Some solutions are VERY simple.
#136. To: war (#113)
(Edited)
get not only meaningful cuts
#137. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#136)
Can you even get it though your thick statist skull that history shows that CUTS NEVER COME?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#138. To: war (#137)
#139. To: mininggold (#135)
Really, when are you going to stop with the same stupid BS that seems to always support my contentions about you?
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