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Title: Debt ceiling deal does not solve our fiscal woes
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The Washington Times
URL Source: http://communities.washingtontimes. ... oes-not-solve-our-fiscal-woes/
Published: Aug 1, 2011
Author: Vasko Kohlmayer
Post Date: 2011-08-01 18:35:11 by We The People
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Back slapping and smiles abounded as the president and congressional leaders reached a debt ceiling compromise last night. The deal, they said, will save us from falling over the fiscal cliff. Do not believe a word of it. The bipartisan deal does not alter the grim fact that the US government is saddled with far greater obligations than it can conceivably meet. Public debt of $14.5 trillion and long term unfunded liabilities well in excess of $100 trillion are simply an insurmountable burden. To put it plainly, the US federal government is bankrupt. The only reason its finances have not yet collapsed is due to the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency. Debt ceiling (Image: AP). Increase of debt ceiling will not address the heart of the problem. Normally when a country acquires more debt than it can carry, creditors dump its bonds and the currency falls apart. Most of our creditors know that we will not be able to pay our debts. They would love to dump their dollars, but they have a serious problem. There is really nowhere else they can put their money. Consider the alternatives. Should they sell dollars and buy euros instead? But the euro is as troubled as the dollar is. Or should they try the British pound or the Japanese yen? Those too happen to be heavily over-indebted and shaky. There are some currencies – such as the Swiss frank and the Canadian dollar – that are relatively healthy, but they are too small to be considered as global alternatives. The bottom line is that there is at the present time no currency that could reliably absorb the world's monetary reserves. The world is in a currency crisis and holders of reserves – whether national banks or private institutions – have no choice but to stick with the dollar for now. Sensing the train wreck ahead, creditors plead in desperation with our government to do something about its out-of-control spending. Unfortunately for them, American politicians – despite their rhetoric – have no intention of doing anything. Both Republicans and Democrats want the same thing: They want to spend more. The only difference between them is the kind of programs on which they want to spend. Even the fiscal hawks in the Republican party become dovish when it comes to cutting. Paul Ryan's plan The Road to Prosperity, which he released with much noise earlier this year, would not balance the budget for another thirty years. What this really means is that it would never balance the budget, because it is impossible to forecast anything with any degree of accuracy thirty years out. The far-off balancing date in Paul Ryan's budget was only a cop out. That much was obvious. Yet he still got savaged for his supposed fiscal “ruthlessness.” If the mere pretense of wanting to balance the budget makes one a political pariah, then you know we are in serious trouble as a country. If you really want to understand what is going on in our capitol when it comes to money and budgeting, you need to grasp one thing: There is only one party in Washington, D.C. It is the party of Big Spending. This is its modus operandi: The greater our debts, the more it wants to spend. Let us not forget that it was George Bush and the Republicans that set us on the road to never-ending bailouts and soaring budget shortages. Obama took it a step further and the Republicans cried fault. They complain about the deficits, but even the most fiscally “hawkish” among them do not want to balance the budget. Instead they pretend that little cuts around the edges will solve our problems. With an annual deficit of some $1.5 trillion, cutting two trillion over the next ten years is only a drop in the bucket. To have any chance, we would need to cut $1.5 trillion now just to stop the hemorrhage. This will not happen, of course. With such leadership as we have we are headed for disaster. The fact is that we are bankrupt, and we will eventually default. Raising the debt ceiling now only postpones the inevitable. Do not celebrate. Rather prepare for the crash. http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/vasko-kohlmayers-globe/2011/aug/1/debt-ceiling-deal-does-not-solve-our-fiscal-woes/
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#17. To: buckeroo (#6)
YEP. That MONSTER is backed up front and center by their Pravdan media, who in unison just happens to parrot the SAME screeching pro-goob crisis/spending headline day after day. The Leftist/Statist media is the goob's b*tch (but then most of us realize that.)
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Does that mean that we will NOT be seeing a jobs plan out of Boehner and Cantor? But...but...Won't that mean LESS goob over-officiousness, LESS regulations, LESS destroying the coal/oil industries, LESS farm land destruction, LESS taxes, LESS fedgov spending, getting the hell out of THREE wars, and stopping fake $800b "stimulus" programs that produced ONLY more unnecessary fedgov and union work?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Which means what? That they've passed a jobs program and I've forgotten it? You claimed 0bama's sham $800 stim wuz productive. Can't you now admit is was a complete and utter waste? IF you're going to insist that it was a success, can you tell me exactly how? (I mean besides all the cutesy road works lined with flowers and bushes and new street signs?)
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Since you are more interested in scoring cheap debating points than discussing facts, you can join loonymom / whinyold on my bozo list. No more discussion for you.
The government will spend 3,700 billion this year. THey will borrow 1,500 billion to do so. This bill will cut a tiny 4 billion out of this year's borrowing. It not even a pimple on the deficit's ass. Correctamundo. WTH are the idiots celebrating? Devaluing an already plummeting dollar? That's all it accomplishes.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Why the hell must the welfare of the USA be secondary to the POTUS's commie agenda, weak leadership and sabotage of the country's economy and sovereignty? WHY are we in Libya again? Why did he shut down the US's coal and oil industries?? 0bama is America's Nero.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I made no such claim and I challenge you to buck up that claim.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Chuckles...there was never any "discussion" between us. You say **stupid** things and get called on them.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
The position of Drama Queen has already been taken by Captialist Erica...you'll need to battle it out with her...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Poor widdle baby, he got you good and proved you don't even know the definition of 'discussion'. Your 'facts' and 'debating points' got refuted and instead it hurt your widdle feeelings so you struck out immaturely in the only way you know how. That won't stop you from badmouthing those you Bozo though from behind your momma Erika's skirts though.
I'm sure you're capable of backtracking your posts to 2009 and even last year. I have neither the time or desire.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I'm positive YOU can spin my claim of "the POTUS's commie agenda, weak leadership and sabotage of the country's economy and sovereignty" into...the complete opposite. Even though that spin would be based on smoke and mirrors while utiizing a large BONG. Btw - that Janet Nappy is some hot broad, ain't she?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Actually Obama seems rather Reaganesque
On WHAT planet?? Nevermind.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Nevermind. That's true. He does have a bit to go before he raises the debt ceiling to a percentage comparable to that done by Reagan.
Does that mean that we will NOT be seeing a jobs plan out of Boehner and Cantor? (Liberator): But...but...Won't that mean LESS goob over-officiousness, LESS regulations, LESS destroying the coal/oil industries, LESS farm land destruction, LESS taxes, LESS fedgov spending, getting the hell out of THREE wars, and stopping fake $800b "stimulus" programs that produced ONLY more unnecessary fedgov and union work? war doesn't understand the concept of perspective. In a "normal" situation, a so-called jobs bill might be relevant (although he and his statist buddies would veto any effective bill, just for the items you mentioned). But this is no way a "normal" situation. It's more like the situation circa August 1945 in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan. And Zero is the one piloting the Enola Gay. Given that circumstance, I doubt the affected Japanese were worrying about "employment." But the thing to keep in mind about "war." Don't you dare criticize his god. He's got a pin-up picture of him after every post, for Pete's sake . . .
sorry, I forgot to ping you to 32
Are you seriously comparing the optimism and shape of the American economy, the trade deficit situation, the value of the dollar, and the growth of the economy during Reagan's Presidency....to TO-DAY?? My word - you really do dwell on Mars. Hey - do the little green men treat your "problem" with dignity?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Hear ya. War is a bright guy...until he enters his own private Spin Zone. Then he turns into Byeltsin on acid. This is no way a "normal" situation. It's more like the situation circa August 1945 in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan. And Zero is the one piloting the Enola Gay. Given that circumstance, I doubt the affected Japanese were worrying about "employment." GREAT metaphor. "Jobs" won't matter when we're irreversibly cratered. I am shocked that relatively informed leftists and liberals remain blinded to this...sh*tstorm that 0bama and the Dems are foisting upon ALL of us. Or rather they are just socialist-anarchists at heart, eh? The thing to keep in mind about "war." Don't you dare criticize his god. He's got a pin-up picture of him after every post, for Pete's sake . . . Funny thing: He's even blind to THAT.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
You think a major banking crisis created by Reagan's policies didn't affect the Reagan economy? Have you received your 'trickle down' yet? LOLOLOLOL
Prespective 1: Unemployment is over 9% "official" and in the teens when other aspects are factored in. GDP is 70% SPENDING. People don't spend when they aren't working. Perspective 2: Government spending accounts for $3trl of our GDP. Perspective 3: How are people waiting around for trickle down - which has never worked, btw - and cutting back 20% of GDP going to make this economy "healthy"? You can babble on about crticiziing or not criticizing Obama as if that is the debate. It isn't. Boehner and Cantor PROMISED jobs when they ran. They PROMISED jobs after they won. They PROMISED jobs with the extension of the Bush tax cuts. Where are they? It's two years after Obama took power and the GOP was able to curtail the stimulus bill to a shell of what it should have been. It's 7 months into the GOP's "resurgence" the GOP has exercised its power from the get go but, economically, the question now is WHEN DID we double dip - I'm picking June, btw,...not WILL we double dip... You can prattle on about Japan and Hiroshima as if that is some sort of argument. But you are sorely lacking on details. How will reducing spending in a down economy BOOST economic growth? How will cutting spending on infrastructure, which has a direct correlation to stimulating demand, BOOST economic growth? How will reducing education funding help this nation compete in the global market of not only hard goods but in the market of ideas as well? THOSE are the questions that YOU need to answer. My guess is that all I'll get back is more bullshit about me and Japan in a post that you forget to ping me to.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
The Reagan Adminstration was romamticized WHILE it was still in progress...why would you believe it would be any different now.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Good grief; Reagan's economy, his love of America, and soaring optimism translated into THE best of times for America... And yes, I received my "trickle down" (actually, I went from 0-60 in no time - I bought three houses and two new cars during Reagan's 8 years that America kicked-ass.) Creativity, private enterprise and entrepreneurship were at our apex. It's not surprising that you socialists were depressed. And FYI, Reagan kept us O-U-T of wars during his eight splendid years (except for flexing a bicep during that little Grenada tour de force..)
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
And rightfully so. WHILE it was in progress. Now? Well, the Statist-Leftist virus plaguing the GOP probably wouldn't even allow Reagan into it "Big Tent." War...You voted for Reagan, didn't you? How were the years from 1981-1989 for you?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I don't. Some still insist on putting certain politicians on religious pedestals as proven by their reactions to any criticism of them. They show their emotional investment, by their taking it personally.
12 tax hikes...US goes from creditor to debtor nation...283 Marines slaughtered because the sentries guarding them weren't authorized to fire their weapons...dollar goes into free fall...stock market crash...banking crisis...US's number one export is jobs...deficits as far as the eye can see... But we did "defeat" 300 Cubans armed with shovels on the Island of Greneda... Yea...real "rightful"...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Little selective amnesia over Beiruit and reflagging oil tankers in the Persian Gulf?
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Yes in 1984 because I hate Walter Mondale...at the beginning of 1981, I was fine but by the end of 1981, I barely had a pot to piss in. In 1989, I nearly lost my job thanks to the blowback from S&L deregulation...and my taxes went up each year that the 1987 tax reform was phased in. My best years economically were 1994-2001. And then again in 2007-2010. This year has been okay.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
The stim wasn't big enough nor was it targeted towards the demand side of the economy enough. It did Phase One of what a stim is supposed to do...stop a recession...but it did little beyond that...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
And they aren't working because US manufacturing has been sabotaged (a bi-partisan effort via China MFN status and NAFTA) and because 0bama is purposely undermining US domestic oil/coal production and exploration, farming, and small business through over-regulation and its anti-capitalist/leftist agenda. Perspective 2: Government spending accounts for $3trl of our GDP. MUST be reduced by 25% across the board. 0bama instead JACKS it up across the board. Perspective 3: How are people waiting around for trickle down - which has never worked, btw - and cutting back 20% of GDP going to make this economy "healthy"? You're kidding, right? THIS country's economy can ONLY be improved by helping the American private sector compete and excel against the foreign slave labor markets of China and other Third World nations and their itter lack of regs. Spending $800 billion dollar stim programs for unions and fedgove drones or training for jobs that do NOT exist any longer won't help us. You can babble on about crticiziing or not criticizing Obama as if that is the debate. It isn't. Boehner and Cantor PROMISED jobs when they ran. They PROMISED jobs after they won. They PROMISED jobs with the extension of the Bush tax cuts. Listen - the Dems have owned Congress since 2007...which just coincidentally happens to be the start of the American economy PLUNGING off a cliff. Boehner and Cantnor can't make good on jack-squat when ANY productive ideas on the table are deep sixed by the Dem Senate AND/OR vetoed and ridiculed by the tone-deaf Commie-in-Charge. It's two years after Obama took power and the GOP was able to curtail the stimulus bill to a shell of what it should have been. HUH?? LOL! You're delusional. Utterly and completely! It's 7 months into the GOP's "resurgence" the GOP has exercised its power from the get go but, economically, the question now is WHEN DID we double dip - I'm picking June, btw,...not WILL we double dip... Ooooooh...an entire SEVEN MONTHS!! R-i-g-h-t!! It's the GOP House's fault!! NOT the Dem Congress and President!! DOINK! How will reducing spending in a down economy BOOST economic growth? WE. DON'T. POSSESS. REVENUE. TO. SPEND (not counting Monopoly money.) Again - investment in business and industry IN AMERICA is the ONLY way to boost a dead economy - NOT phony "Stim programs." How will cutting spending on infrastructure, which has a direct correlation to stimulating demand, BOOST economic growth? Hey, here's an idea - how about the Four-War-Prez and Nobel Peace Prize winner proposing re-allocating war money TO spending it on the infrastructure?? How will reducing education funding help this nation compete in the gloabl market of not only hard goods but in the market of ideas as well? You may call it "education funding," but the reality is the NEA and University socialist propaganda doesn't really help in the Real World of jobs and capitalist innovation. If "education" was an issue in helping create wealth, Americans should be cranking out inventions, industries and an economy that reflect it; Instead we possess many of the dopiest people on the planet. THOSE are the questions that YOU need to answer. My guess is that all I'll get back is more bullshit about me and Japan in a post that you forget to ping me to. War, your questions created MORE questions to be answered - by YOU.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Perspective 2: Government spending accounts for $3trl of our GDP. Perspective 3: How are people waiting around for trickle down - which has never worked, btw - and cutting back 20% of GDP going to make this economy "healthy"? Where are they? Just as democrats blamed Hoover for the depression; Carter got blamed for the economic disaster of the late 70s, and your previous god Clinton got the credit for the boom-boom 90s; Obama gets the "credit" for the mess he's created. Sorry, but thems the rules. Understand now? How will cutting spending on infrastructure, which has a direct correlation to stimulating demand, BOOST economic growth? How will reducing education funding help this nation compete in the gloabl market of not only hard goods but in the market of ideas as well? THOSE are the questions that YOU need to answer. ALL GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO HELP THE ECONOMY IS GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY Aw, poor baby. I corrected my oversight 5 minutes later in the next post. I'll make sure to post a picture of Zero in it next time so you won't miss it.
You're too frickin' funny Libby... Your highlights... The 2007 recession, conicident to the dems resurgence is their fault but the 2011 Double Dip, coincident to the GOP/Tea resurgence Party is the...uh...Dems fault? You state this in full knowledge that the housing meltdown started in 2006, was abated somewhat by the HTC in the stim bill but because the GOP would not agree to open ended tax breaks, resumed its downward plunge not too long thereafter. Ditto car sales... As was pointed out, government spending is ~20% of GDP you want to cut 25% of that 20% and you ***think*** that will increase GDP. Can you tell me how you get a higher number by subtracting two positives? The stim should have had more demand side tax cuts and credits...typified by the housing tax credit and cash for clunkers. As it was, that was $300bln of the $800bln. The $500Bln left that you ***think*** was given to unions, was, in fact, mostly spent on infrastructure. And you need to kock of the talking points. EVERY statement that you ***think*** was a rebuttal was simply you regurgitating...talk radio...demonize the NEA...demonize colleges...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
And yet...somehow most of us recall an appreciable higher standard of living during that time AND confidence in the future of the US. Most of our debt can be attributed to imports of US for an economy and industries which were busy cranking out domestic wealth. 283 Marines slaughtered because the sentries guarding them weren't authorized to fire their weapons... As opposed to the Americans and RoE that are even worse because THEY ARE ON THE BATLLEFIELD. Btw, do you know how many Americans have been KIA or wounded after Nobel Peace Prize recipent 0bama's fake promise to get out of A-Stan and Iraq? dollar goes into free fall...stock market crash...US's number one export is jobs...deficits as far as the eye can see... You mean, "market correction" back in '87? ALL of that was NOTHING compared to now and 0bama's devaluing the dollar, crushing the real estate market, the stench of 0bama sabotaging American business, industry AND confidence to invest in the future. Hey - NICE leadership by 0bama (eyeball roll.) But we did "defeat" 300 Cubans armed with shovels on the Island of Greneda...Yea...real "rightful"... You would see that in those simple terms. So...what of it? THAT was the extent of Reagan's "wars." Admit it: PRETTY DAMN GOOD, wasn't he? How much money did he save us by eschewing war? How much international respect did it garner the US back then?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Petty petty petty. I'll bet you make a big stink over the sprig of parsley that may or may not come with your meal. Propriety, war. Where the hell is yours??
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
By 1981 Reagan's agenda had hardly been implemented. How'd you do from '82-'88? Good times or bad? Whether you personally did well or not, we know America was in GREAT relative shape emotionally, financially, socially, and on most counts. Even the culture of music and entertainment was better. As your taxes went up during the Reagn Years, I suppose your earnings did commensurately. 1994-2001 - which goob policies helped or hurt you?
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
RIGHT! Look - can't you admit whatever Stim enacted needed to be directed at the private sector? And NOT for goob projects, political/partisan paybacks to select districts? Hell - don't you have problems with hiding the devil-in-the-details of every damn mega spending proposal? With NO debates over details?? Even Bush and the Congress did it during TARP.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
I'm not going to comment on unsourced numbers. So...source them or they are moot. But I will make this observation: Between TARP, two wars, Part D, the tax cuts and Bush's 2008 "stim" he initiated over $5trillion in new spending including over $600bln in discretionary increases...under Obama, new spending has been just $1.5trl. ALL GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO HELP THE ECONOMY IS GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY Who is going to build and rebuild roads, bridges and other infrastructure? How is eliminating 20% of the economy going to be a positive.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
It was. You're really sticking your neck out on your ignorance here.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Frankly, what helped me the most, initially, was Rubin rolling the government's debt maturities down the yield curve and making them of shorter duration. My wife and I also had an S Corp at the time and Clinton's 1993 Budget Act gave us all sorts of credits and breaks that helped us to expland...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Actually...no...for those three years my income was about $55K but because of the phase out of deductions, my AGI and thus my taxes went up every year...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Huh? Soldiers DIED and I'm being petty? Okay...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe US "crisis" has always been in front of American's eyes. Today, the only difference is the degree that the MONSTER in Washington DC can up the ante.
#18. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#8)
Employment is irrelevant?
#19. To: war (#9)
("Yeah, war's memory is conveniently...Alzheimers-like.")
#20. To: war (#16)
One for four...
An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination. -- Voltaire
#21. To: jwpegler, We The People (#7)
This deal us nothing but nonsense.
#22. To: war (#10)
This BS was nothing more than trying to weaken a POTUS politically.
#23. To: Liberator (#19)
You claimed 0bama's sham $800 stim wuz productive.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#24. To: jwpegler (#20)
Since you are more interested in scoring cheap debating points than discussing facts, you can join loonymom / whinyold on my bozo list. No more discussion for you.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#25. To: Liberator (#22)
Why the hell must the welfare of the USA be secondary to the POTUS's commie agenda, weak leadership and sabotage of the country's economy and sovereignty?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#26. To: jwpegler, war (#20)
Since you are more interested in scoring cheap debating points than discussing facts, you can join loonymom / whinyold on my bozo list. No more discussion for you.
#27. To: war (#23)
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I made no such claim and I challenge you to buck up that claim.
#28. To: war (#25)
#29. To: Liberator (#28)
#30. To: mininggold (#29)
Actually Obama seems rather Reaganesque
#31. To: Liberator (#30)
On WHAT planet??
#32. To: Liberator (#18)
(war): employment is irrelevant?
#33. To: war (#32)
#34. To: mininggold (#31)
That's true. He does have a bit to go before he raises the debt ceiling to a percentage comparable to that done by Reagan.
#35. To: Get Outta Dodge!war (#32)
war doesn't understand the concept of perspective. In a "normal" situation, a so-called jobs bill might be relevant (although he and his statist buddies would veto any effective bill, just for the items you mentioned).
#36. To: Liberator (#34)
Are you seriously comparing the optimism and shape of the American economy, the trade deficit situation, the value of the dollar, and the growth of the economy during Reagan's Presidency....to TO-DAY??
#37. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#32)
(Edited)
war doesn't understand the concept of perspective.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#38. To: mininggold (#36)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#39. To: mininggold (#36)
You think a major banking crisis created by Reagan's policies didn't affect the Reagan economy? Have you received your 'trickle down' yet? LOLOLOLOL
#40. To: war, mininggold (#38)
The Reagan Adminstration was romamticized WHILE it was still in progress...why would you believe it would be any different now.
#41. To: war (#38)
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The Reagan Adminstration was romamticized WHILE it was still in progress...why would you believe it would be any different now.
#42. To: Liberator (#40)
And rightfully so. WHILE it was in progress.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#43. To: Liberator (#39)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#44. To: Liberator (#40)
(Edited)
War...You voted for Reagan, didn't you? How were the years from 1981-1989 for you?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#45. To: Liberator (#27)
I'm sure you're capable of backtracking your posts to 2009 and even last year. I have neither the time or desire.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#46. To: war, Get Outta Dodge! (#37)
Prespective 1: Unemployment is over 9% "official" and in the teens when other aspects are factored in. GDP is 70% SPENDING. People don't spend when they aren't working.
#47. To: war (#37)
Prespective 1: Unemployment is over 9% "official" and in the teens when other aspects are factored in. GDP is 70% SPENDING. People don't spend when they aren't working.
Since you're so in love with statistics, here's one for you:
Daily government spending in Zero's era: 4 billion
Daily government spending in the Evil One's era: 1.6 billion
You can babble on about crticiziing or not criticizing Obama as if that is the debate. It isn't. Boehner and Cantor PROMISED jobs when they ran. They PROMISED jobs after they won. They PROMISED jobs with the extension of the Bush tax cuts.
It's understandable that you want to defelct the blame for the economic train- wreck away from your messiah, but it doesn't work that way. You cannot arbitrarily change the rules in the middle of the game. It's two years after Obama took power and the GOP was able to curtail the stimulus bill to a shell of what it should have been.
Was that the same stimulus bill that bailed out Zero's friends and supporters in the Unions? It's 7 months into the GOP's "resurgence" the GOP has exercised its power from the get go but, economically, the question now is WHEN DID we double dip - I'm picking June, btw,...not WILL we double dip...
You say they exercised their "power" - I say they haven't. Why is Obamacare still funded? You can prattle on about Japan and Hiroshima as if that is some sort of argument. But you are sorely lacking on details.
Sorry the analogy went over your head. I'll use simpler examples next time. Here's one that's really simple. Obama = incompetent = in over his head = unmitigated disaster. How will reducing spending in a down economy BOOST economic growth?
You won't like or agree with the answer because you're a big-government statist, but here goes: My guess is that all I'll get back is more bullshit about me and Japan in a post that you forget to ping me to.
#48. To: Liberator (#46)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#49. To: war (#42)
12 tax hikes...US goes from creditor to debtor nation...
#50. To: war (#43)
Little selective amnesia over Beiruit and reflagging oil tankers in the Persian Gulf?
#51. To: war (#44)
Yes [I voted for Reagan] in 1984 because I hate Walter Mondale...at the beginning of 1981, I was fine but by the end of 1981, I barely had a pot to piss in. In 1989, I nearly lost my job thanks to the blowback from S&L deregulation...and my taxes went up each year that the 1987 tax reform was phased in. My best years economically were 1994-2001. And then again in 2007-2010. This year has been okay.
#52. To: war (#45)
The stim wasn't big enough nor was it targeted towards the demand side of the economy enough.
#53. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#47)
Since you're so in love with statistics, here's one for you:
Daily government spending in Zero's era: 4 billion
Daily government spending in the Evil One's era: 1.6 billion 
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#54. To: Liberator (#52)
Look - can't you admit whatever Stim enacted needed to be directed at the private sector?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#55. To: Liberator (#51)
(Edited)
1994-2001 - which goob policies helped or hurt you?
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#56. To: Liberator (#51)
As your taxes went up during the Reagn Years, I suppose your earnings did commensurately.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#57. To: Liberator (#50)
Petty petty petty.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
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