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Title: The Tea Party: Same Old Authoritarian Conservatives With a New Label
Source: Justia.com
URL Source: http://verdict.justia.com/2011/07/29/the-tea-party/
Published: Jul 29, 2011
Author: John Dean
Post Date: 2011-07-29 12:08:49 by lucysmom
Keywords: Tea Party, The Destroyers
Views: 40544
Comments: 71

The debt-ceiling debate, better described as an extortion ploy by the Tea Party-controlled Republicans of the U.S House of Representatives, has raised a question: Who, exactly, are these largely anonymous troublemakers? When I did a little digging, I realized that I know these people all too well. Indeed, I had actually written about them before they morphed into their current form. They are, in fact, both old and new authoritarian conservatives.

These authoritarians are a notoriously nasty crew. If you have not noticed, they are delighted with what is happening in Washington, the chaos they have created. Actually, they are thrilled that they have been able to turn the Nation’s Capital upside down, as they actively work to screw up federal government in the hope of literally destroying it.

If you look closely, it is obvious that most of these Tea Party people have no real idea about the potential consequences of their actions, and they do not care to inform themselves. These are people who will pick a fight for the sake of picking a fight, refusing to compromise about anything that conflicts with their collective agenda, just because that feels to them like the right thing to do.

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#25. To: lucysmom (#0)

The essence of this article is stick your head in the sand lets borrow 10 trillion more dollars over the next 10 years. Our kids can pay for it. Fuck that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-30   0:32:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)

The essence of this article is stick your head in the sand lets borrow 10 trillion more dollars over the next 10 years. Our kids can pay for it. Fuck that.

There is a time to borrow, and a time to pay back - the Bush tax cuts left us borrowing when we should have been paying down debt.

Now when we need to borrow to mitigate financial harm, conservatives (the same guys that wanted their tax cuts and the economic health of the country be damned) think its time to worry about debt.

Our kids will pay for it with poor schools, and inadequate health care at the front end, high tuition and concomitant high debt when they get out of college.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-30   8:51:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#27)

Our kids will pay for it with poor schools, and inadequate health care at the front end, high tuition and concomitant high debt when they get out of college.

Education is a state issue not federal. Do you acknowledge that? Or do you support usurpers?

Why are you complaining about college debt? You are in love with debt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-30   8:57:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Education is a state issue not federal. Do you acknowledge that? Or do you support usurpers?

If the federal government continues to reduce the money it sends to the sates, the states will have less money to go around. For instance, taxes in Texas account for only 43% of state receipts, the federal government supplies 37%.

Why are you complaining about college debt? You are in love with debt.

I'm not complaining, I'm stating a reality that is the less money the state has, the less money it has to spend on education; the difference in higher education is made up in higher tuition, and fewer grants. The result is that fewer of "our" kids go to college, or more kids start their adult life with high debt to pay off. If you give a damn about "our" kids, then you should give a damn about that.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-30   9:28:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#34)

If the federal government continues to reduce the money it sends to the sates, the states will have less money to go around. For instance, taxes in Texas account for only 43% of state receipts, the federal government supplies 37%.

That isn't an answer to the question. That is spin for higher taxes.

Does the federal government have a constitutional role in education. Yes or no will suffice.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-30   10:18:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Does the federal government have a constitutional role in education. Yes or no will suffice.

Yes

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-30   10:27:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mininggold (#41)

Does the federal government have a constitutional role in education. Yes or no will suffice.

Yes

Liar.

The powers that the feds have are enumerated. Show me them. You can't because you lie regularly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-30   10:28:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#42)

The powers that the feds have are enumerated.

Liar. There are different powers within the framework of the USCON:

Enumerated or explicit.

Reserved.

Concurrent.

Implied.

Show me where a Department of Defense is enumerated. IN fact, within the Framing, there was no Department of Defense. It was created by the US Congress.

The "meaning" of the USCON is found in its Preamble which states, among other things, TO PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE...the education of the citizens is most certainly within that...

Also within the body of the USCON is this: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law...

--op cit Article II Section 2[b]

The USCON states quite explcitly that not all departments and public officials are "enumerated" within its corpus. It further states that such departments and public officials SHALL BE ESTABLISHED BY LAW. The Framers left it to subsequent generations to decide and determine WHAT departments might be necessary and what public officials would be needed to administer to them.

By EXPLICITLY putting this power in the hands of the US Congress, the Framers understood that such creation would be debated and decided at the NATIONAL level for the common weal of the NATION.

war  posted on  2011-07-30   10:58:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: war, A K A Stone (#57)

There are different powers within the framework of the USCON:

Enumerated or explicit.

Reserved.

Concurrent.

Implied.

That's too abstract for Stone to grasp.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-30   11:00:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mininggold (#59)

That's too abstract for Stone to grasp.

I've found that most who demand Constitutional "orthodoxy" the loudest are usually the quietest about what it actually "says"...

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