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Title: Treasuries Join Stocks Dropping in Markets Overwhelmed by U.S. Debt Debate
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011- ... helmed-by-u-s-debt-debate.html
Published: Jul 28, 2011
Author: Bloomberg
Post Date: 2011-07-28 08:24:19 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 24160
Comments: 56

Stocks and Treasuries are moving in tandem twice as often as they normally do, a sign investors are growing convinced the U.S. will lose its AAA credit rating and that an impasse among lawmakers may spur losses in both markets.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index has risen or fallen together with 10-year Treasury notes 80 percent of the time in the last 10 days, compared with the average since 2000 of 41 percent, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The benchmark index for American shares lost 2 percent yesterday, the most since June 1, and the 10-year bond fell, driving its yield up three basis points to 2.98 percent.

Equities and government bonds are reversing their historical relationship because a downgrade and the possibility of default by the U.S. government would put principal payments at risk and curb economic growth that has helped send the S&P 500 up 93 percent since March 2009. Conviction that lawmakers will fail sent rates on bills due next month to the highest level since March 31, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

“The politicians should learn from this that they shouldn’t wait until we have our backs against the wall,” Donald Selkin, New York-based chief market strategist at National Securities Corp., said in a telephone interview. Selkin, a 35-year Wall Street veteran, helps manage about $3 billion. “It’s very irresponsible because it can affect the economy and jobs. They’re putting us in a situation where we could have another financial meltdown.”

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#1. To: go65 (#0)

the U.S. will lose its AAA credit rating

The problem:

The instant this happens we lose our Empire.

You can't walk back a default. No matter for how short a time the pols think it will be.

Corporations will blow up like popcorn. As will Israel...;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-28   8:43:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: mcgowanjm, go65 (#1)

You can't walk back a default. No matter for how short a time the pols think it will be.

You think those Tea Part inbreds have a clue about world finance?The fact that they reduce the debate to kitchen table analogies shows you how provincial and out of their depth of understanding they are.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-28   10:12:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Godwinson (#2)

What about all those South American nations that defaulted. They just rewrote their debt.

Is Russia better off after the defaulted or worse off today?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-28   10:16:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone, go65 (#3)

Hoy crap! Not only does this prove to me you have no idea what default of the USA would mean for real (comparing America's economic impact on the world to Argentina's) but this shows me you and the righty kooks like you WANT and welcome default.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-28   10:21:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Godwinson (#4)

I want a default.

Time for the shit to hit the fan. That way we can get back on the right road sooner.

You assholes just want your welfare checks to continue. Better to default now instead of running up another 10 or 20 trillion then defaulting.

Like I said make that commie asshole in the whitehouse pay it back. Put him in a cage and charge admission. Turn him into a slave to pay back the money he illegally spent.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-28   10:38:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Time for the shit to hit the fan.

Imagine the shit being Niagara Falls and the fan being Hurricane Katrina.

war  posted on  2011-07-28   16:26:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: war (#46)

Time for the shit to hit the fan.

Imagine the shit being Niagara Falls and the fan being Hurricane Katrina.

Better now then passing the problem to our kids. I'm tough. I'll survive.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-28   19:25:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)

Better now then passing the problem to our kids.

You're of the "mind" that if the US defaults on that its debt that it halts both current and future "problems" in their tracks?

Do you pay your bills?

war  posted on  2011-07-29   8:05:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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