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Title: Treasuries Join Stocks Dropping in Markets Overwhelmed by U.S. Debt Debate
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011- ... helmed-by-u-s-debt-debate.html
Published: Jul 28, 2011
Author: Bloomberg
Post Date: 2011-07-28 08:24:19 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 24537
Comments: 56

Stocks and Treasuries are moving in tandem twice as often as they normally do, a sign investors are growing convinced the U.S. will lose its AAA credit rating and that an impasse among lawmakers may spur losses in both markets.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index has risen or fallen together with 10-year Treasury notes 80 percent of the time in the last 10 days, compared with the average since 2000 of 41 percent, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The benchmark index for American shares lost 2 percent yesterday, the most since June 1, and the 10-year bond fell, driving its yield up three basis points to 2.98 percent.

Equities and government bonds are reversing their historical relationship because a downgrade and the possibility of default by the U.S. government would put principal payments at risk and curb economic growth that has helped send the S&P 500 up 93 percent since March 2009. Conviction that lawmakers will fail sent rates on bills due next month to the highest level since March 31, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

“The politicians should learn from this that they shouldn’t wait until we have our backs against the wall,” Donald Selkin, New York-based chief market strategist at National Securities Corp., said in a telephone interview. Selkin, a 35-year Wall Street veteran, helps manage about $3 billion. “It’s very irresponsible because it can affect the economy and jobs. They’re putting us in a situation where we could have another financial meltdown.”

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#1. To: go65 (#0)

the U.S. will lose its AAA credit rating

The problem:

The instant this happens we lose our Empire.

You can't walk back a default. No matter for how short a time the pols think it will be.

Corporations will blow up like popcorn. As will Israel...;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-28   8:43:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: mcgowanjm, go65 (#1)

You can't walk back a default. No matter for how short a time the pols think it will be.

You think those Tea Part inbreds have a clue about world finance?The fact that they reduce the debate to kitchen table analogies shows you how provincial and out of their depth of understanding they are.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-28   10:12:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Godwinson (#2)

You think those Tea Part inbreds have a clue about world finance?

Ok, gobsheit... EXPLAIN it.

Don't forget to include terms like "oligopoly," BIS, IMF and UN.

Please comprehensively explain, in your own words, how allowing a country that is already bankrupt (and defaulting through inflation) to increase the amount of debt incurred will somehow eliminate the debt problem.

I'm sure we'll all wait with great anticipation, your elucidation of this vexing problem, and the simple solutions that you clearly have at your fingertips....

Don't forget to include relevant economic data...

The fact that they reduce the debate to kitchen table analogies shows you how provincial and out of their depth of understanding they are.

I'm sure your advanced financial acumen will help you clarify why this is not a simple matter of overspending...

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