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Title: Spaceflights From Desert Depend on New Jobs
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011- ... f-dead-depend-on-new-jobs.html
Published: Jul 27, 2011
Author: Bloomberg
Post Date: 2011-07-27 09:18:05 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 5567
Comments: 20

The frontier of commercial spaceflight, which opened when NASA’s shuttle program ended this month, is taking shape in an unfinished assembly of metal, glass and concrete that resembles a rust-colored stingray burrowed halfway into New Mexico’s desert.

“Spaceport America” bills itself online as “the world’s first purpose-built commercial spaceport” and will be the official home of Virgin Galactic, billionaire Richard Branson’s venture that proposes to take tourists into suborbital space. It’s about 75 miles southwest of the Trinity atomic-bomb test site where the U.S. ushered in the nuclear age 66 years ago.

It’s even closer to the mobile home of Florita Munoz in Rincon, New Mexico. Munoz, 69, says she has little regard for this latest attempt to enter a new era. The 4-year-old project has already cost her state, the 10th poorest in the U.S., $209 million in public money. It’s at least nine months behind schedule and its director says it won’t generate as many jobs as backers once claimed.

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#1. To: jwpegler (#0)

thought you would find this of interest, few proponents of private space flight replacing NASA seem to realize that private space companies such as virgin are completely dependent on public support to survive.

go65  posted on  2011-07-27   9:18:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65, jwpegler (#1)

I don't understand this delusional - other reality world - jwpegler and his fellow travelers on the so called right in America hold on to. They accept dogma over facts. They are people who say the New Deal was bad for America, yet I would not want to live in the America as it was before the New Deal. I don't get where they get their actual facts from - they have theories based on ideology not on science/numbers.

jwpegler, I am sure you are a good person and I know I sound like I am attacking you but at some point I have to confront this world view you hold that is not based on real world evidence.

jwpegler, to me you and your fellow travelers sound like Maoists from the Cultural Revolution era waving their little book where all the answers supposedly held and you react violently to any fact that contradicts this.

Maybe it is the internet/talk radio distortions making me see this but when I hear that Republicans say a default is no big deal and it is fear mongering as if a default would do nothing is insane. That is Jim Jones kool-aid mentality.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-27   12:20:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Godwinson (#2) (Edited)

his world view you hold that is not based on real world evidence

You are the one that doesn't understand the real world.

My world is the start up companies of Seattle and Silicon Valley, where people started with nothing but an idea. The idea gets rejected over and over. They work hard and persist. Then they succeed. They employee a ton of people. Make lot's of people rich. And change the world for the better.

Microsoft was started by two geeks who decided to drop out of Harvard to pursue their dreams. Microsoft created 10,000 millionaire employees in the 1990s (I was one of them, but my wife took 65% of it in our divorce!). Today Microsoft employs 90,000 people with great salaries, benefits, and bonus potential. Apple, Cisco, Amazon, Google, and too many more to mention succeeded on similar paths.

In your world of a government directed economy, these companies and the innovations that they brought to market wouldn't exist.

If the government had succeeded in declaring IBM a government regulated monopoly in the 1970s (as it tried to do), would we have the personal computer, smart phone, or world-wide web today? I don't think so.

I suspect that you and most of the leftists on this board are 60+ years old. You grew up in a relatively stagnant world, where people just didn't quit their secure job at some mega-corporation to pursue their own dreams. That world is dead. It died with the invention of the microprocessor and the Apple personal computer.

This is what you just don't understand. You never will understand.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-27   14:50:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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My world is the start up companies of Seattle and Silicon Valley, where people started with nothing but an idea. The idea gets rejected over and over. They work hard and persist. Then they succeed. They employee a ton of people. Make lot's of people rich. And change the world for the better.

Is it safe to assume that you like John Kerry's plan to grant citizenship to anyone who comes over here, graduates from a 4 year school and starts a business?

go65  posted on  2011-07-27 15:31:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: jwpegler, go65 (#4) (Edited)

My world is the start up companies of Seattle and Silicon Valley, where people started with nothing but an idea.

Are you a joke? You mean the computers that the govt funded and the internet infrastructure that went with it? Are you really living in this Disney-esque fantasy world

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~amulet/papers/uihistory.tr.html

Brad A. Myers. "A Brief History of Human Computer Interaction Technology." ACM interactions. Vol. 5, no. 2, March, 1998. pp. 44-54.

In fact, virtually all of today's major interface styles and applications have had significant influence from research at universities and labs, often with government funding. To illustrate this, this paper lists the funding sources of some of the major advances. Without this research, many of the advances in the field of HCI would probably not have taken place, and as a consequence, the user interfaces of commercial products would be far more difficult to use and learn than they are today.

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