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Title: Spaceflights From Desert Depend on New Jobs
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011- ... f-dead-depend-on-new-jobs.html
Published: Jul 27, 2011
Author: Bloomberg
Post Date: 2011-07-27 09:18:05 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 5107
Comments: 20

The frontier of commercial spaceflight, which opened when NASA’s shuttle program ended this month, is taking shape in an unfinished assembly of metal, glass and concrete that resembles a rust-colored stingray burrowed halfway into New Mexico’s desert.

“Spaceport America” bills itself online as “the world’s first purpose-built commercial spaceport” and will be the official home of Virgin Galactic, billionaire Richard Branson’s venture that proposes to take tourists into suborbital space. It’s about 75 miles southwest of the Trinity atomic-bomb test site where the U.S. ushered in the nuclear age 66 years ago.

It’s even closer to the mobile home of Florita Munoz in Rincon, New Mexico. Munoz, 69, says she has little regard for this latest attempt to enter a new era. The 4-year-old project has already cost her state, the 10th poorest in the U.S., $209 million in public money. It’s at least nine months behind schedule and its director says it won’t generate as many jobs as backers once claimed.

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#1. To: jwpegler (#0)

thought you would find this of interest, few proponents of private space flight replacing NASA seem to realize that private space companies such as virgin are completely dependent on public support to survive.

go65  posted on  2011-07-27   9:18:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65, jwpegler (#1)

I don't understand this delusional - other reality world - jwpegler and his fellow travelers on the so called right in America hold on to. They accept dogma over facts. They are people who say the New Deal was bad for America, yet I would not want to live in the America as it was before the New Deal. I don't get where they get their actual facts from - they have theories based on ideology not on science/numbers.

jwpegler, I am sure you are a good person and I know I sound like I am attacking you but at some point I have to confront this world view you hold that is not based on real world evidence.

jwpegler, to me you and your fellow travelers sound like Maoists from the Cultural Revolution era waving their little book where all the answers supposedly held and you react violently to any fact that contradicts this.

Maybe it is the internet/talk radio distortions making me see this but when I hear that Republicans say a default is no big deal and it is fear mongering as if a default would do nothing is insane. That is Jim Jones kool-aid mentality.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-27   12:20:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Godwinson, go65, capitalist eric (#2)

Prior to the start up culture taking hold in the late 70s / early 80s, a team a Xerox invented the basic under interface model that we've used over the last 30 years. It's known as WIMP (Windows, Icons, Menus, and Pointing Devices). They took it to Xerox management who rejected it out of hand. There wasn't any start up culture or venture capital firms to support start ups, so the actual people who invented WIMP never profited from it.

Steve Jobs and Bill Bill Gates took WIMP and used it to build big companies from scratch that changed the world.

Society needs renegades who are willing to risk all to buck the establishment and pursue their vision.

There isn't any room for renegades in your world of centrally planned, government directed economies. Your vision of society leads to stagnation and misery. That's why it needs to be rejected out of hand.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-27   15:04:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#5) (Edited)

Prior to the start up culture taking hold in the late 70s / early 80s, a team a Xerox invented the basic under interface model that we've used over the last 30 years. It's known as WIMP (Windows, Icons, Menus, and Pointing Devices). They took it to Xerox management who rejected it out of hand. There wasn't any start up culture or venture capital firms to support start ups, so the actual people who invented WIMP never profited from it.

Steve Jobs and Bill Bill Gates took WIMP and used it to build big companies from scratch that changed the world.

As usual,your facts are bit off. Xerox delivered a WIMP-based product called Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star) in 1981 that didn't sell very well due high cost and poor performance.

However, Bill Gates bought one. And he hired several of the early developers to join him at Microsoft to help copy the Xerox design. (Apple's Lisa was also based on Star). If you want to get really down in the weeds - the end result of Gates' efforts was Windows 1.0, which was a kludge, It wasn't until Gates signed a license with John Scully that gave him permission to copy the work Apple was doing with MacOS, and used it to develop Windows 3.0, that Windows finally took off. (See: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1593270100/tmo-20).

Apple ended up suing Microsoft, claiming that they had only licensed Microsoft to use Apple elements in windows 1.0, a suit they eventually lost (Windows 1 didn't even include icons).

If you read the history, you'll find that Gates absolutely loved the Mac (the internal Microsoft name was SAND - Steve's Amazing New Device). Gates envisioned Microsoft as a company that would deliver Mac software, and he tried to get Apple to license MacOS to run on 3rd party hardware, but he was rebuffed by Scully, so he went off and built Windows 3. And the rest is history.

There isn't any room for renegades in your world of centrally planned, government directed economies. Your vision of society leads to stagnation and misery. That's why it needs to be rejected out of hand.

My vision isn't all one or the other. My view is that there is a role for government in preventing monopolies, protecting the environment, ensuring free/fair competition, and protecting the rights of workers.

go65  posted on  2011-07-27   15:27:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: go65 (#7) (Edited)

Dude, WIMP was developed at Xerox in 1973.

They finally decided to release Star as a specialty "office automation" computer 8 years later in 1981. Star wasn't designed or sold as a standalone system. It was sold as part of a larger "office" system for word processing and document management targeted at large corporations.

By 1981 the general PC revolution was brewing and there was no room for that type of specialty device.

My facts are correct. Xerox invented WIMP. The CEO rejected it. Apple and Microsoft made billions bringing it to market.

Yes, there was some intermediate activities (like bringing Star to market), which happened too late for Xerox and has nothing to do with the lessons to be learned here.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-27   15:46:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#9)

Dude, WIMP was developed at Xerox in 1973.

Go back and read what he wrote. He said that STAR was developed in 1981 and that it was WIMP based. Not that WIMP was developed in 1981.

war  posted on  2011-07-27   15:49:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#11. To: war (#10) (Edited)

Go back and read what he wrote. He said that STAR was developed in 1981 and that it was WIMP based. Not that WIMP was developed in 1981.

Let me explain it slowly.

A couple of guys at Xerox invented WIMP in 1973.

They took it to CEO who told them that they were out of their mind.

8 years later, Xerox finally released a specialty "computer system" based on WIMP. It was too late, because Apple had already released a general purpose personal computer based on WIMP (LISA).

Apple took the WIMP concept and started the LISA project in 1978 -- to build a general purpose computer based on WIMP. LISA was released with limited success, but Apple learned from it and succeeded with the Mac.

Then Microsoft released Windows.

The establishment blew it. They lost a huge business opportunity to a couple of kids working in their garage.

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