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Title: Steve King on default: Obama could be impeached
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URL Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59836.html
Published: Jul 25, 2011
Author: REID J. EPSTEIN
Post Date: 2011-07-25 15:22:01 by Mad Dog
Keywords: sing it LOUD, sing it, PROUD
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Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said Monday that President Barack Obama “would be impeached” if the nation falls into default. “STOP talking about default,” he wrote on Twitter. “The 1st dime of each $1 of revenue services debt. Obama would be impeached if he blocked debt payments. C C & B!” King is among the House Republicans who voted for the so-called “Cut, Cap and Balance” plan that would introduce a constitutional amendment to require a balanced budget. The Senate last week dismissed the House bill. King isn’t the first Republican to suggest that Obama should be impeached over the debt crisis. Rep. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) said earlier this month it would be “an impeachable offense” for Obama to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. In April, former Reagan administration official Bruce Fein drafted articles of impeachment in hopes that House Republicans would introduce them. And Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) in March said the air attacks on Libya are impeachable acts.
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. ANY president who wrecks this nation should be impeached. This treasonous bastard is no different.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
What happened to Abraham Lincoln within the formal impeachment processes and procedures? He performed his treacherous cunning at the beginning of his presidency, too. And not one "peep" from anyone.
Nothing at all you vile piece of shit. President Lincoln was already F ing DEAD you vile piece of shit. (Btw you vile piece of shit, MY ancestor fought for North Carolina, after being conscripted from a blockade runner from Erin's shores to Charleston's harbor.) So what was your point you vile piece of shit? As if I care.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I asked: What happened to Abraham Lincoln within the formal impeachment processes and procedures? Without answering the question, you commented: President Lincoln was already F ing DEAD you vile piece of shit. So, please explain how "being DEAD" exempted Abraham Lincoln from being impeached during his early years of presidential tenure. Thank you in advance.
In the real world you vile piece of shit. No such charge was made other than by supporters an active violent rebellion, (Civil WAR/WAR between the States). Lincoln was kind of busy fighting an actual WAR against the people who would make such a charge against him, you gibbering piece of shit. But this isn't really about Lincoln is it you vile piece of shit? LOL! And YOU "think" that YOU are "bullet proof"/"immune"/"safe" eh fuckwad? LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FTW
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
"November 6, 1860 - Abraham Lincoln, who had declared "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free..." is elected president, the first Republican, receiving 180 of 303 possible electoral votes and 40 percent of the popular vote. December 20, 1860 - South Carolina secedes from the Union. Followed within two months by Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas." www.historyplace.com/civilwar/inde x.html You are a STOOPID vile piece of shit also.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Aren't you a wee bit quick to respond using profane explicatives without reading my questions or even answering my questions? The Great War occurred with the presence of Abraham Lincoln. He created the Great War and yet prior to the Secession of the Southern States, he was responsible for the later Great War. I mean no disrespect, Mad Dog. I just want to know why Abraham Lincoln wasn't impeached, that is all.
Irrespective of Abraham Lincoln being elected to the presidency and the later secession of the Southern States, why wasn't Abraham Lincoln impeached? I know you have a lot of things to do in life, still I want to know your response about Good Ol' Abe. After-all, you said: Don't you regard, the Great War as wrecking this nation?
Should ave, could ave, Should ave, could ave, Should ave, could ave, Should ave, could ave, .... Really? What good is habeus corpus if the NATION ceases to exist? Was the thinking at the time. THEY didn't know who was going to WIN. THEY were fighting for SURVIVAL. Ever been to Arlington? Ever seen how close it is to the capitol? They weren't fighting just with mere words man, they were hand to hand cold steel to cold steel. Only silly children complain about such HISTORICAL actions, those children can have no idea NOW what the people , the AMERICANS of then, were engaged in, which was a literal WAR for survival. The DEAD have zero right to "habeus corpus", do they? I see your point, it just seems absurd to me, given what was going on at that time.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I know you have a lot of things to do in life, still I want to know your response about Good Ol' Abe. After-all, you said: ANY president who wrecks this nation should be impeached. Don't you regard, the Great War as wrecking this nation? LOL! You are terribly ignorant of American history you vile piece of shit. And I'm not about to waste alot of my time correcting your childish ignorance. LOL! ie. you vile ignorant piece of shit, the WAR that you refer to incorrectly as "the Great War" is correctly called the "Civil WAR" or the "WAR between the States". The "Great WAR" was World WAR 1 you gibbering moron. And btw you gibbering MORON, the "Civil WAR"/"WAR between the States", SAVED THE UNION, you gibbering vile piece of shit; so no MORON, I certainly would NOT consider that president Lincoln "wrecked" this nation. In fact MORON he SAVED this nation. Just like the demonRAT FDR did during WW2 MORON. Claro' chongo?
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Despite your insistence to continuously evade my question based on your own statement: Why wasn't Abraham Lincoln impeached?
True, but Obama will not do it. Instead, if the debt ceiling is not raised, Obama will do what all Democrat politicians do at every level of government -- shut down spending that inflicts the most pain on the population and blame it on the GOP. Just watch...
ANY president who wrecks this nation should be impeached. Why wasn't Abraham Lincoln impeached? LOL! I understand that you are a gibbering moron and a vile piece of shit who has zero interest in objective truth. I also understand that if you were even 1/1000th as smart as you think that you are you'd actually be a 10 to 9th times smarter than you actually are. I answered your question you gibbering moron. I dismiss your specious assertion out of hand. President Lincoln saved the union, so he SAVED our country you gibbering moron. (And as I have already stated, you vile piece of shit, MY ancestor fought for the SOUTH.) Let me lay it out for you MORON. President Lincoln wasn't impeached because he SAVED the United States of America, by winning both the military and political Civil WAR/WAR between the States. President Lincoln is an American hero, and he shit out better men than you every day of his life. You noxious piece of crap.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Just watch... LOL! No need for that. We've seen this act over and over and over. Because it works. This is one reason why I despise these scum so much. People are already hurting and these libTURD filth make it worse as a political calculation, LYING bald faced right to our faces. This miserable failed little man child messiah "king" obammy is a blood sucking insect. His supporters are worse. F em ALL.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Well..... since you put it that way, let me ask another question based upon your own stance. How did Lincoln save the Union and thereby saving the country from WHAT? What did he possess that no other man before him possessed? After-all, the nation was intact up until his shenanigans breaching his own campaign promises about states rights.
But there was a rather loud bang when Traitor Lincoln's brains were blown out. Unfortunately that happened too late to save the nation. by Vin Suprynowicz A survey of 58 historians "from across the political spectrum" released by C-Span Feb. 21 ranked the "leadership qualities" of American presidents, placing Lincoln first, followed by Franklin Roosevelt. Needless to say, presidents who avoided warfare, obeyed their oath of office, and concentrated on preserving American liberties were awarded little distinction by this poll: Among them, Jefferson ranked highest at seventh. In "America's Two Just Wars: 1775 and 1861" (in which the author argues that the just cause in 1861, just to keep the record straight, was that of "Southern Independence,") Murray Rothbard, intellectual heir to Ludwig von Mises and late of the UNLV Department of Economics, describes the onset of Republicanism under Lincoln: "Lincoln signed no less than 10 tariff-raising bills during his administration. Heavy 'sin' taxes were levied on alcohol and tobacco, the income tax was levied for the first time in American history, huge land grants and monetary subsidies were handed out to transcontinental railroads (accompanied by a vast amount of attendant corruption), and the government went off the gold standard and virtually nationalized the banking system to establish a machine for printing new money and to provide cheap credit for the business elite. ... A huge army was conscripted, dissenters and advocates of a negotiated peace with the South were jailed, and the precious Anglo-Saxon right of habeas corpus was abolished for the duration." Slavery? "In every other part of the New World, slavery was peacefully bought out by agreement with the slaveholders," Rothbard asserted in the 1994 talk on which this essay is based. (Actually, Haiti was the other violent exception.) "But in these other countries ... there were no Puritan millennialists to do their bloody work, armed with a gun in one hand and a hymn book in the other. ... The Yankee fanatics were the Bolsheviks of their era." Lincoln's "character"? Rothbard notes that Lincoln was the perfect model of the modern " 'reform liberal' ... whose heart bleeds for and yearns to 'uplift' remote mankind, while he lies to and treats abominably actual people whom he knew. Lincoln declared that the Union was "a family, bound indissolubly together by the most intimate organic bonds," Rothbard points out, while meantime acting "viciously toward his own humble frontier family. He abandoned his fiancée in order to marry the wealthier Mary Todd ... he repudiated his brother, and he refused to attend his dying father or his father's funeral, monstrously declaring that such an experience 'would be more painful than pleasant.' " But Rothbard is gentle on Our Massa Lincoln compared to Libertarian novelist L. Neil Smith, who has made a second career researching and writing fictionalized alternative histories of the United States, such as his new "The American Zone." Smith points out in his classic essay "The American Lenin" that the War of 1861-1865 was really about imposing the highest protective tariffs in the nation's history — a payback to the northern industrialists who had financed the daring if somewhat unusual plan to elect the Illinois Central Railroad's attorney as president of the United States. Unfortunately, southern planters quickly realized they'd be the main victims of this protectionist racket, being effectively banned from importing British manufactured goods, and required instead to pay more for shoddy merchandise from Pennsylvania. It was "in support of this 'noble principle' ... that Lincoln permitted an internal war that butchered more Americans than all of this country's foreign wars — before or afterward — rolled into one," Smith writes. Lincoln "oversaw the systematic shelling and burning of entire cities for strategic and tactical purposes. ... The fact is, Lincoln didn't abolish slavery at all, he nationalized it, imposing income taxation and military conscription upon what had been a free country before he took over — income taxation and military conscription to which newly 'freed' blacks soon found themselves subjected right alongside newly-enslaved whites. If the civil war was truly fought against slavery ... then clearly, slavery won. "Lincoln brought secret police to America, along with the traditional midnight 'knock on the door,' illegally suspending the Bill of Rights. ... To finance his crimes against humanity, Lincoln allowed the printing of worthless paper money in unprecedented volumes, ultimately plunging America into a long, grim depression — in the south, it lasted half a century," as the South was taxed to repay the Union's war debts. "In the end, Lincoln didn't unite this country — that can't be done by force," Smith concludes. Instead, "he divided it along lines of an unspeakably ugly hatred and resentment that continue to exist almost a century and a half after they were drawn. ... "The troubling truth is that, more than anybody else's, Abraham Lincoln's career resembles and foreshadows that of V.I. Lenin, who, with somewhat better technology at his disposal, slaughtered millions of innocents — rather than mere hundreds of thousands — to enforce an impossibly stupid idea which, in the end, like forced association, was proven by history to be a resounding failure." The most thoroughly researched and documented fresh look at Mr. Lincoln's War is Jeffrey Rogers Hummel's "Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men" ($14.95 from Laissez Faire Books at 800-326-0996.) In the book, Hummel notes: "The Lincoln Administration imprisoned at least 14,000 civilians throughout the course of the war. ... The federal government simultaneously monitored and censored both the mails and telegraphs. ... It also suppressed newspapers. Over three hundred, including the Chicago Times, the New York World, and the Philadelphia Evening Journal, had to cease publication for varying periods." Former Democratic Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio, running for governor, "delivered a speech in May 1863 that accused the President of unnecessarily prolonging the conflict. The Union commander in Ohio" — never a war zone — "rousted Vallandigham from his home at night and jailed him. A military court handed down a sentence of confinement for the war's duration, but public indignation forced Lincoln to commute the sentence to exile behind Confederate lines." Yet C-SPAN's 58 historians assure us Lincoln ranks first in our history when it comes to "pursuing equal justice for all"! Slavery? Hummel concludes: "Slavery was doomed politically even if Lincoln had permitted the small Gulf Coast Confederacy" (the states that had seceded by the time of his inauguration) "to depart in peace. The Republican-controlled Congress would have been able to work toward emancipation within the border states, where slavery was already declining. In due course the Radicals could have repealed the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850. With chattels fleeing across the border and raising slavery's enforcement costs, the peculiar institution's final destruction within an independent cotton South was inevitable." So the war wasn't even necessary to end slavery — while Lincoln never tired of offering to let the southerners keep their slaves, if only they'd stay in the union. Lincoln revered "all across the political spectrum"? Someone must be out to prove that historians are, indeed, "the camp followers of a victorious army." What Lincoln and his party achieved was to convert this land from a Jeffersonian republic of limited government to a monstrous and ever-growing welfare/police state, taxing and regulating everything in sight, dreaming up monopoly government licensing schemes for everything from the practice of law and medicine to peaceful travel of the highways, and most insidiously creating a vast tax-supported bureaucratic cadre to propagandize the nation's youth — education being an arena in which no role for government had previously been contemplated — teaching them precisely that their heroes should be none other than those most successful betrayers of the American Revolution, Lincoln the First and Roosevelt the Second! The messianic "reform" movement which began with the Whig-Republican coalition of the 1860s has never really gone into eclipse. This is the gang who still seek to use the usurped powers of the central state to ban outright such previously well-accepted forms of commerce as prostitution, gambling, and the traffic in alcohol, medicines, and pain-relieving drugs, with the result that America today has the highest rate of incarceration — slaves to the state, a whopping plurality of those rotting behind bars being black men who have never committed a violent crime — ever seen in the history of mankind. Yet we are assured, in the ironic words of Broadway librettists Ragni and Rado: "We's free now, thank to yo Massa Lincoln, emancipator of the slaves!" Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
It was just that suspension was the most glaring legal grounds after the failure of Lincoln and his henchmen to negotiate with the South. There was no chance to 'impeach' Lincoln prior to the outbreak of the war unless the southern states had actually sent their representatives to the 1861 Congress. The Confederacy had every right to exist and once the die was cast the USA ceased to exist for all time. The Federal Compact had been torn asunder and there was no chance to convince Salmon Chase and the rest of the financial elite of NY to stop their agression. The Emancipation Proclamation was a sham. Didn't free slaves outside of the Confederacy. There was a simpler path to restoration and that would have been for Lincoln to start serious talks and get his troops out of the souther harbors, etc. This country would have been better off if the Confederates had won at Bull Run 1 and deposed the Emperor and hanged Chase & Stanton. And, I am not a Yellow Dog.
It did? How about that idea. And what binds any state, today, to US federal laws as a method of loyalty? Some kind of binding eternal bond of love, signed sealed and delivered for say ... some Floridan named Goldi-Lox and her Alaskan gay boy, "yukon" approval? Oh no, the centralized government that exists today in America is on a descent. It is being disseminated right before our eyes with more extreme members of Congress being elected that are placing a damper on the entire issue. I love the gridlock in Congress right now. No more rubber-stamping.
How did Lincoln save the Union and thereby saving the country from WHAT? What did he possess that no other man before him possessed? After-all, the nation was intact up until his shenanigans breaching his own campaign promises about states rights. Lincoln preserved the UNION of the several States, by stopping the Southern States in active rebellion from forming another country, by FORCE of ARMS. By WAR. Am I going too fast for you? Do you actually have a point fuckwad or am I supposed to just keep giving you a tour of American history that your substandard edujumakation missed?
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
By WAR. Ahhh. But why do you use the terms "preserved" and "stopping" when in fact, Abraham Lincoln CREATED the secession prior to the GREAT WAR? All that was at stake was "states rights." In fact, during the Lincoln/Douglas debates, prior to Lincoln's actual election, Lincoln continuously suggested that the continuing conflicts of "state's rights" would be eased.
There was no chance to 'impeach' Lincoln prior to the outbreak of the war unless the southern states had actually sent their representatives to the 1861 Congress. The Confederacy had every right to exist and once the die was cast the USA ceased to exist for all time. The Federal Compact had been torn asunder and there was no chance to convince Salmon Chase and the rest of the financial elite of NY to stop their agression. The Emancipation Proclamation was a sham. Didn't free slaves outside of the Confederacy. There was a simpler path to restoration and that would have been for Lincoln to start serious talks and get his troops out of the souther harbors, etc. This country would have been better off if the Confederates had won at Bull Run 1 and deposed the Emperor and hanged Chase & Stanton. And, I am not a Yellow Dog. I actually believe that the states of this Union do have the right to leave the Union if they so desire. The feral gooberment is a creature of the states. After all the STATES voluntarily created the feral gooberment. However being a student of human history and knowing where both the word and concept of "tyrant" come from I understand that the real world is not as simple as words on a piece of paper. This is a world which is run on the use of FORCE. It always has been and it always will be. There was no way to avoid the Civil WAR. Two different cultures were trying to share the same land. I'm not talking about slavery per se, it was already dying. I'm talking agrarian rural as opposed to urban manufacturing. All through out ALL of human history power of ALL kinds tends to concentrate. Until it ALWAYS becomes tyranny. No, the country and the world would certainly NOT have been better if the Confederacy had won. Spare me the obvious history man, I know what the specific purpose and rationale for the emancipation was. But I still believe that no nation based on slavery should exist on this planet. Especially the USA, which HAD had slavery under our banner for much longer than the Confederacy did btw. That the seeds of our ultimate demise were sown then, (feral gooberment wise), I freely admit. But, you cannot consider past times in the light of today's knowledge and moralities and understand them. The USA was expanding, and two cultures that were pretty much mutually exclusive were trying to occupy the North American continent. Something had to give, and it took about two or three generations for the violence to reach the crescendo of the actual main show, the Civil WAR. After the UNION won, there were 150 years of America domination of the entire worlds economic system. I find this sort of talk to be most useless. After 150 years it IS what it IS. Fuckeroo was just trying, (with quite good success), to deflect the subject of this thread. No American President in ALL of OUR history has done so much to destroy and hurt this nation, our economy, and OUR people as this little failed man child messiah "king" obammy. No sane or honest or serious person would ever compare President Lincoln with this little failed man child messiah "king" obammy.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Excellent article. Thanks for the thought provoking opinions by Vin Suprynowicz/L. Neil Smith. I used to have direct emails with these fine Americans as well as Claire Wolfe and many others. I fell out of direct contact as my professional requirements increased over time.
Not really; you've made me contemplate just how irrational my dislike of Lincoln was formed. Too early to admit I'm out of touch with reality but your exposition was the best nudge I've had in years. Thanks. (My surrender will not include giving up on hanging Salmon P. Chase)
Ahhh. But why do you use the terms "preserved" and "stopping" when in fact, Abraham Lincoln CREATED the secession prior to the GREAT WAR? All that was at stake was "states rights." In fact, during the Lincoln/Douglas debates, prior to Lincoln's actual election, Lincoln continuously suggested that the continuing conflicts of "state's rights" would be eased. LOL! Your ignorance would be astounding if it was not so familiar fuckeroo. That Lincoln's ELECTION was the "casus belli" is a fact. But as usual moron, you incorrectly conflate that with his personal "responsibility". Wasn't it the AMERICAN people who elected Lincoln president fuckwad? So wouldn't the Civil WAR be the AMERICAN people's fault moron? Then you TRY to color Lincoln as if he was the only politician that ever said anything that was not true or did not happen. What's the matter Fuckeroo did your family have a nice slave trading business and then that mean 'ol Lincoln and the UNIOIN put them out of business? Show me fuckeroo where the CONSTITUITION has been repealed? Show me fuckeroo where the Bill of Rights has been repealed? Don't come cry to me that the mean 'ol Lincoln made America into a tyranny when you and your ilk are too big of a bunch of cunts to get off of your fat asses and FIGHT for America in every way. You are exactly who Samuel Adams was speaking about fuckeroo. "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!" Samuel Adams
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
You are too kind. We cannot ever understand why and how our ancestors acted like they did unless we deal with what were the traditions and standards in general use at the time. It is useless and dishonest to even to try to conflate that time and now. Lincoln was just a man. But he ALONE managed to lead the UNION to win the WAR, and was then murdered for it. Do you have any idea how alone the man was for the entire WAR? Do you have any idea what it cost him, his son's life and the sanity of his marriage for a start? As to Chase et. al. I'm 100% WITH you on him and the rest of them. Whose treachery made Lincoln's actual performance during the WAR even MORE amazing imo. Then now we have intellectually dishonest posers conflating Lincoln with the little failed man child messiah "king" obammy? Can WE say "insane" or "stoopid"?
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I am discussing a historical characteristic about Abraham Lincoln, whom wasn't impeached for lying to the nation. To me, all presidents and other elected officials have a requirement to hold towards their own campaign promises. In the example of Good ol' Abe, he started the GREAT WAR. Other examples (modern times): Also, there are others even more recent: George W. Bush suggests his entire campaign for the US presidency in 1999 based on a strategy to thwart John McCain's CFR, Yet after the younger Bush's election, he gleefully signed CFR in law in 2000. The USSC, later overturned the BS. And, I really loved GWBush's personal pledge along with his cohort (Dick Cheney) concerning a renewed strength in America's armed forces by two significant considerations: How about that!
. LOL! This is what I get for treating you as if you even knew what sane meant. I really should know better. Silly me. Enjoy jello night fuckeroo, try eating it instead of wearing it for a change! I have no need to waste any more time on your ignorance and mental illness fuckeroo. LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I want to remind you of what you said at the top of your own thread: You act as though only democrats are involved with impeachment proceedings. I say both of the BIG_POLITICAL_PARTIES should be impeached and not just presidents but the entire kit and caboodle. The major political parties have always hurt the fundamental rights, liberties, freedoms and personal characteristics which made the USA GREAT.
Hey fuckeroo I don't need reminding about anything. And fuckeroo I don't accept your specious claim that Lincoln "wrecked" this nation, in fact you gibbering asswipe he SAVED it. If you were able to read and to think, IF you weren't just a foul gibbering piece of shit, you'd be smart enough to see where I mentioned as FACT, that in ALL of human history, ALL power of all sorts, ALWAYS concentrates, and always leads to tyranny MORON. This is not about both partees you gibbering asshole. This is about what ONE paretee, and it's so called "leader" the failed little man child messiah "king" obammy, and what his regime and he have shoved down American's throats and are TRYING to shove down our throats RIGHT NOW to hurt AMERICA, AMERICA's economy, and AMERICANS. You pulled the partee thing out of you big fat ass fuckeroo. You are a foul gibbering piece of shit. Claro' chongo? Go get your jello freak.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
How did Lincoln save America? Once the aftermath of THE GREAT WAR was counted, some 600,000+ soldiers were slaughtered. The direct death count was greater than ANY other war/conflict/police action America has been involved with. Saved, you say? Exactly how did Lincoln "save" America, rhetorically, by tallying up the bodies? BTW, I haven't included the tallies of injuries, just DEATHS for the discussion.
LOL! ~ Hey you vile piece of shit phuckwad ... "... fuckeroo I don't accept your specious claim that Lincoln "wrecked" this nation, in fact you gibbering asswipe he SAVED it. If you were able to read and to think, IF you weren't just a foul gibbering piece of shit, you'd be smart enough to see where I mentioned as FACT, that in ALL of human history, ALL power of all sorts, ALWAYS concentrates, and always leads to tyranny MORON. This is not about both partees you gibbering asshole. This is about what ONE partee, and it's so called "leader" the failed little man child messiah "king" obammy, and what his regime and he have shoved down American's throats and are TRYING to shove down our throats RIGHT NOW to hurt AMERICA, AMERICA's economy, and AMERICANS. You pulled the partee thing out of you big fat ass fuckeroo. You are a foul gibbering piece of shit. Claro' chongo? Go get your jello freak." LmAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
How did Abraham Lincoln save America?
. Go get your jello freak. LmAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I used an editor on your thread counting the number of times you claim "he saved" America or some other such nonsense. The count is over twenty times. And, throughout your stance you have yet to answer a simple question: I know that you feel Good ol' Honest Abe "saved America." It is now akin to a broken record. Still, I want to know how he performed this great deed. Is it possible for you to answer a simple question? Since you have a computer, at least visit Wiki for an answer and post here so (at least) I know you are a fine, poster willing to share ideas and considerations amongst your fellow compadres here on LF.
#2. To: Mad Dog (#1)
ANY president who wrecks this nation should be impeached.
#3. To: buckeroo (#2)
What happened to Abraham Lincoln within the formal impeachment processes and procedures?
#4. To: Mad Dog (#3)
You said: ANY president who wrecks this nation should be impeached.
#5. To: buckeroo (#4)
So, please explain how "being DEAD" exempted Abraham Lincoln from being impeached during his early years of presidential tenure. Thank you in advance.
#6. To: buckeroo (#4)
In the REAL world fuckeroo you stoopid vile piece of shit.
#7. To: Mad Dog (#5)
#8. To: Mad Dog (#5)
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#9. To: Mad Dog (#6)
(Edited)
ANY president who wrecks this nation should be impeached.
#10. To: harrowup (#8)
#11. To: buckeroo (#9)
Irrespective of Abraham Lincoln being elected to the presidency and the later secession of the Southern States, why wasn't Abraham Lincoln impeached?
#12. To: Mad Dog (#11)
ANY president who wrecks this nation should be impeached.
#13. To: Mad Dog (#0)
it would be “an impeachable offense” for Obama to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#14. To: buckeroo (#12)
Despite your insistence to continuously evade my question based on your own statement:
#15. To: jwpegler (#13)
Instead, if the debt ceiling is not raised, Obama will do what all Democrat politicians do at every level of government -- shut down spending that inflicts the most pain on the population and blame it on the GOP.
#16. To: Mad Dog (#14)
(Edited)
President Lincoln saved the union, so he SAVED our country
#17. To: buckeroo (#2)
(Edited)
not one "peep" from anyone.
Celebrating America's First Bolshevik - Abraham Lincoln
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#18. To: Mad Dog (#10)
I see your point, it just seems absurd to me, given what was going on at that time.
#19. To: harrowup (#18)
(Edited)
The Confederacy had every right to exist and once the die was cast the USA ceased to exist for all time.
#20. To: buckeroo (#16)
President Lincoln saved the union, so he SAVED our country Well..... since you put it that way, let me ask another question based upon your own stance.
#21. To: Mad Dog (#20)
Lincoln preserved the UNION of the several States, by stopping the Southern States in active rebellion from forming another country, by FORCE of ARMS.
#22. To: harrowup (#18)
To: Mad Dog I see your point, it just seems absurd to me, given what was going on at that time. It was just that suspension was the most glaring legal grounds after the failure of Lincoln and his henchmen to negotiate with the South.
#23. To: hondo68 (#17)
But there was a rather loud bang when Traitor Lincoln's brains were blown out. Unfortunately that happened too late to save the nation.
#24. To: Mad Dog (#22)
I find this sort of talk to be most useless.
#25. To: buckeroo (#21)
Lincoln preserved the UNION of the several States, by stopping the Southern States in active rebellion from forming another country, by FORCE of ARMS. By WAR.
#26. To: harrowup (#24)
#27. To: Mad Dog (#25)
... you incorrectly conflate that with his personal "responsibility".
George H. Bush: "a kinder, gentler nation." also, "a thousand points of light ... a New World Order" and "no new taxes"
No US soldier shall go into foreign conflict without a clear mission and subsequent withdrawal.
#28. To: buckeroo (#27)
#29. To: Mad Dog (#28)
Silly me.
ANY president who wrecks this nation should be impeached.
#30. To: buckeroo (#29)
#31. To: Mad Dog (#30)
... he [Abraham Lincoln] SAVED it.
#32. To: buckeroo (#31)
#33. To: Mad Dog (#32)
#34. To: buckeroo (#33)
#35. To: Mad Dog (#34)
How did Abraham Lincoln save America?
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