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Title: GOP Stumbles Over Surprise Dem Debt Limit Offer
Source: Talkingpointsmemo.com
URL Source: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/ ... m-debt-limit-offer.php?ref=fpa
Published: Jul 25, 2011
Author: TPM
Post Date: 2011-07-25 14:12:22 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 2749
Comments: 13

Republicans have been tight-lipped so far about Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's surprise offer of $2.7 trillion in spending cuts -- and no tax revenue -- to raise the debt limit through 2012.

There are a few reasons for that. First, as Red State's Erick Erickson subtly pointed out, Republicans were not expecting to wake up to headlines noting that Reid's offering more immediate cuts than House Speaker John Boehner's proposing. Second, because about a trillion of those dollars comes from the expected wind down of military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan -- a source of savings Republicans have recently opposed but, oops, voted for in the House GOP budget.

But another reason, according to one senior GOP aide is that Reid decided to go it alone pretty abruptly, and they haven't seen his proposal yet.

"The Speaker, Sen. Reid and Sen. [Mitch] McConnell all agreed on the general framework of a two-part plan," the aide says. "A short-term increase (with cuts greater than the increase), combined with a committee to find long-term savings before the rest of the increase would be considered. Sen. Reid took the bipartisan plan to the White House and the President said no."

Reid's staff disputes this version of events. In their telling Reid and his aides pursued a range of options at both the staff-level, and at a principals level, through the weekend. Reid was willing to accept budget cuts in two phases, but would not agree to a short-term debt limit extension if it just meant replaying this fight all over again several months from now. Boehner wouldn't (or couldn't) bite. Reid left a Saturday evening meeting angry, said no short-term deal, and began contemplating the one-step approach, which leaked Sunday afternoon, and that he ultimately settled on Sunday night.

Republican and Democratic staff continued to pursue a two-step solution to the problem on Sunday, while Dem staff began worked separately on the one-step plan on their own. By Sunday evening, the two separate debt hikes remained a sticking point, and at a White House meeting last night, Reid presented Pelosi and President Obama both frameworks. All agreed that that the single-step process was the way to go -- really the only bright-line Dems have drawn in this entire debate -- and that's why things ended as they did late last night.

The conflicting narratives suggest there isn't a whole lot of good will left between the interested parties. But whether or not they feel they got tripped up by the Dems' decision, the big question now is whether Republicans will accept the offer on the grounds that it's, well, pretty much everything they've asked for. We'll learn more in the coming hours.

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#1. To: socialv, a k a stone, godwinson, lucysmom, jwpegler, skip intro, no gnu taxes, brian s, (#0)

Red State's Eric Erickson:

John Boehner just got played for a fool. Headlines are Harry Reid is offering bigger cuts than Boehner and no tax increases.

The GOP is saying it will oppose the Reid plan.

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go65  posted on  2011-07-25   14:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#1)

The GOP is saying it will oppose the Reid plan.

I'd expect nothing less from the Party of No.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-25   14:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#0)

ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You libTURDS and your little failed man child messiah "king" obammy are DESPERATE to get this done in a way that it does NOT overlay the ELECTION aren't you?

LOL!

Normally 'ol Boner wouldn't have the sand or backbone to stand against you cunts but WE the AMERICAN people are keeping him aware of what will happen to him if he goes against us and the US CONSTITUTION.

This is ALL the demonRAT's and obammy's FAULT.

Tell us all about the demonRAT's NATIONAL BUDGETS bitch. Are you cunts ever going to pass a national BUDGET? It's only been almost THREE YEARS since you have.

Something NEVER done before in American history bitch.

Yep.

Squirm you libTURD TOOLS, FOOLS and WHORES!

No matter what you say or do EVERY AMERICAN UNDERSTANDS THAT THE DEMONRAT PARTEE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRENT WRECKED STATE OF OUR ECONOMY.

See you in NOVEMBER bitch.

SAVE AMERICA!

Send the little failed man child messiah "king" obammy BACK to Kenya or wherever in NOVEMBER!

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-07-25   14:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#0)

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's surprise offer of $2.7 trillion in spending cuts -- and no tax revenue -- to raise the debt limit through 2012.

Btw goat69, almost ALL of the "cuts" proposed by your hero Reid are cuts to the US Armed forces, while they are engaged in three, count them 3, active shooting WARS.

One of which YOUR little failed man child messiah "king" obammy started all on his own. You support him right? I mean you aren't a RACIST are you? /S

No wonder libTURD cunts such as you support such cuts.

libTURD SCUM

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-07-25   15:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Skip Intro (#2)

the WH has backed the Reid plan.

Meanwhile Boehner is proposing $1.2 trillion in cuts over 10 years.

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go65  posted on  2011-07-25   15:55:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: go65 (#5)

Btw goat69, almost ALL of the "cuts" proposed by your hero Reid are cuts to the US Armed forces, while they are engaged in three, count them 3, active shooting WARS.

One of which YOUR little failed man child messiah "king" obammy started all on his own. You support him right? I mean you aren't a RACIST are you? /S

No wonder libTURD cunts such as you support such cuts.

libTURD SCUM

Btw goat69, almost ALL of the "cuts" proposed by your hero Reid are cuts to the US Armed forces, while they are engaged in three, count them 3, active shooting WARS.

One of which YOUR little failed man child messiah "king" obammy started all on his own. You support him right? I mean you aren't a RACIST are you? /S

No wonder libTURD cunts such as you support such cuts.

libTURD SCUM

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-07-25   16:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: go65 (#0)

Your boy is leading your beloved party into the abyss day by day.

Works for me.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-25   17:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#0)

I haven't read the bill (because there isn't one). But, my guess is that it's nothing but smoke, mirrors, false assumptions, and accounting tricks.

The American people are sick and tired of corrupt politicians on both sides focusing on scoring cheap political points rather than focusing on our problems. This equally applies to Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell.

The people in the so-called Tea Party Caucus are the only ones who actually want to do something to fix the long issues that plague the country.


To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-25   18:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#2)

I'd expect nothing less from the Party of No.

Sometimes toddlers are so enamored with the word "No!" they forget to listen to what they're saying no to.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-25   18:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#8)

I haven't read the bill (because there isn't one). But, my guess is that it's nothing but smoke, mirrors, false assumptions, and accounting tricks.

You mean the Boehner bill? Yeah, that cuts $30 billion in discretionary spending in FY12 and $17 billion overall.

The American people are sick and tired of corrupt politicians on both sides focusing on scoring cheap political points rather than focusing on our problems. This equally applies to Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell.

Sure, they are also sick of people threatening to send the economy over the edge over some non-crisis. The GOP could have simply done as all have done before - raise the debt ceiling and focus on cutting spending during appropriations processes. There is simply no need for this current crisis.

The people in the so-called Tea Party Caucus are the only ones who actually want to do something to fix the long issues that plague the country.

Most folks who identify themselves as tea partiers support raising taxes. Most also seem to think that spending cuts won't hurt them because we can simply balance the budget by cutting foreign aid, aid to illegal immigrants, and welfare abuse. Once they realize that it's "their" social security and medicare that are in danger, they sing a different tune.

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go65  posted on  2011-07-25   20:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: go65 (#10)

You mean the Boehner bill?

I like you when you are honest and I HATE you when you are a propagandist. Right now, you are being a propagandist.

The House passed a bi-partisan Cut, Cap and Balance bill that raised the debt ceiling.

The Senate tabled it (refused to vote on it).

It's okay that you don't like it. But, stop lying about it.


To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-25   21:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jwpegler (#11)

The House passed a bi-partisan Cut, Cap and Balance bill that raised the debt ceiling.

The Senate tabled it (refused to vote on it).

Cut, cap and balance was voted down on Friday in the Senate: 51-46.

perhaps you missed it.

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go65  posted on  2011-07-25   21:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#9)

LOL!

YOU libTURD fuckwads, who make a bunch of pre-teen gurls at a sleep over look positively MATURE, trying to assume any "high ground" on a maturity basis, is the very definition of absurdity!

Are you fucking INSANE you gibbering libTURD skank?

You libTURDS are supposedly the parental figures in America today?

Never mind you libTURD skank, I know the answer.

You libTURDS are as insane as shit house RATS!

(And THAT'S WAY fucking CRAZY!)

(However shithouse RATS are much smarter, and much nicer to be around, than you vile libTURD WHORES, TOOLS and FOOLS are.)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2011-07-25   22:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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