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Title: Boehner breaks off debt talks
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Published: Jul 22, 2011
Author: Mark Knoller
Post Date: 2011-07-22 18:08:18 by go65
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Speaker Boehner breaking off talks with Pres Obama. House leaders will negotiate with Senate leaders instead.
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if there's no agreement by the time the market opens on Monday, it's going to be a blood-bath.
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An irate Obama said he's summoning Congressional leaders to the WH tomorrow after 11 AM to tell him how they are going to avoid default.
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And their response should be very simple: ESAD.
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
Obama has greatly oversold the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling. August 2nd is going to come and go and very few of us will notice anything different. During the government shut down in the 1990s I didn't know a single person who was impacted at all. Not one.
There are very serious problems with your perspective. The past is not a predictor with contemporary circumstances that you should already know about.
ESAD. Yep. I do have to admit that Boehner and the House Republicans are holding up better than I thought they would. Contrast this with the castrated GOP cowards in the Senate who propose to give Obama carte blanche to run up $2.5 trillion more in debt in the hopes that the voters will blame him for digging us deeper into a hole.
Contrast this with the castrated GOP cowards in the Senate who propose to give Obama carte blanche to run up $2.5 trillion more in debt in the hopes that the voters will blame him for digging us deeper into a hole. You act as though there isn't some kind of unofficial set of agreements/policies and procedures that occur between within the same political parties that run between the two houses of Congress. Man, are you FUCKING ignorant.
August 2nd is going to come and go and very few of us will notice anything different. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and every financial organization greatly disagrees, I guess they are all morons. This isn't a government shut-down.
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Boehner contradicted himself twice in about 12 minutes today - saying that both they were never close to a deal and that they were close to a deal and after saying Obama wasn't trustworthy because he "moved the goalposts" he said he trusts Obama. If you like this sort of flip-flopping you must love Mitt Romney. You seem to have little understand of the budget/appropriations process. The reason Obama is asking for the debt ceiling to be raised is because Congress, with a House of Representatives in Republican hands since January of 2011, APPROPRIATED more spending then the country can afford without borrowing. The correct course of action here to avoid default is for Congress to raise the debt ceiling, then tackle spending during the fall budget fight.
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As of tonight there isn't. The GOP is seemingly prepared to crash the U.S. economy come Monday when markets open.
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I really haven't been following this at all, but why do you think it'll be mess when markets open on Monday? Do investors and whoever really think the worthless government dufus's won't do what has to be done by the deadline?
------------------------------------- up until now most rational and sane people have assumed that something will get done to raise the debt ceiling before 8/2. Those assumptions flew out the window tonight. Unless a deal is struck by Sunday, Monday is going to be a rough day. Obama was specifically asked what he would tell markets to calm them on Monday and assure them that a deal would get done, he didn't have an answer. There are a great many people in the tea party who think that a default is no big deal and would actually be preferable to raising the debt limit, I fear they've handcuffed the GOP and are walking them, and the nation, over a cliff. I can tell you that we'll lay off about half our workforce in the 2nd week of August if there is a default. Not because we deal directly with the government, but because many of our clients do - and they will all slam the breaks on spending as they did in late 2008. No deal by Sunday and things get very very ugly.
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This is complete nonsense. Both major US political parties have been playing around for years with their wars, allegiance to Israel and their lack of attention to detail on the economics and infra-structure of America. The Democrat AND Republican political Parties need to redress what their responsibilities are to the nation; both are responsible for the past leading to the present situations confronting ALL of us.
It's such an amazing display of indifference towards the people they should be serving.
------------------------------------- What specifically did he say. Sometimes you don't understand what is said or you twist stuff. So tell us specifically what the contradiction was.
He's really worried he wont get his welfare check.
The debt ceiling doesn't need to be raised. Owebama already wasted enough money. Cut spending.
You can't be serious.
You're an old geezer. It is time to deal with debt problem. Why should my minor kids have to deal with this? If not now when? Cut spending. Cut everything unconstitutional. We should start with things that are unconstitutional relating to the interstate commerce clause.
I am calling in Moderator X to ban your nasty ass, Stone. You have played wayyyyy tooo looonng at the throttle of despicable behaviour. You are running off good posters without any serious debate or factual information. You have allowed yourself to succumb to the depths of deplorable despair as Gatlin, yukon, harrowup and all the others representing atrocious manners from LP.
buckeroo your routine is getting old. Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently.
You're a fuckhead and a danger to society.
It is common courtesy to ping those you disparage and frankly you should recognize that Stone has given you tremendous freedoms you routinely debase. Boehner didn't close out the discussions. Obama upped the ante. Cut spending. Cut White House travel and entertainment. Cut White House staff. Make Pelosi pay back her family travel costs... Obama continues to lie with every breath.
was that intended for me? My belief is when you resort to personal attacks, you've lost the argument.
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"Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently." You're a fuckhead and a danger to society. Fred, you have been out of line for a long time now but that remark is about as stupid and deserving of a good dose of whupass as I've ever seen.
Read the below from his news conference and see if you can parse it - then compare with his statements that there was no deal: ----- He says in the same statement that there was an agreement for $400 billion in revenues, and $800 billion in revenues. And he's repeatedly said that there was no agreement.
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Go FUCK yukon@LP, admiral. He needs your help after "We The People" kicked your combined asses today.
As I told Jwpegler, the US Chamber of Commerce strongly disagrees. They must be morons.
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Wimpy pipples ran away, anal retentive that he is.
why didn't you ping Moderator X? Didn't you claim you were Moderator X? Here, let me help you out Admiral... ping to Moderator X.
You don't know anything, goat farmer.
He kicked your ass all over the LP forum today. But you were not alone. He even kicked yukon and gatlin. Some days are worthwhile just reading posts..... hehehehe.
I think it is significant that Obama spoke after 6 pm.m this evening.
I don't think that was a very faire statement, Fred. I hear "harrowup" is an EXPERT with goats as he is out back in the hay fields with the goats most of his daylight time enjoying some of the sexual pleasures of life living on the farm.
I seriously doubt that you will EVER do that. ... that's just my opinion. Bucky posted on TPF that you are afraid of him.
Why in the world do I have a true niggar running around where I post with their nose up my ass reporting to Stone? I didn't hire you. Did "yukon" hire you or did Stone hire your?
Good question ... yea, WHY? Pro-bono ... old Bucky ... Pro-bono!
Oh .. you are just PISSED to the Maximilianus that some good posters like, "We The People" remain on LP to kick your ass. You were a wimp posting to "We The People" today. You look like a child in comparison.
Merely your opinion, Bucky ... but then nobody places any value on your opinion. Besides, your behavior is obnoxious and unappreciated.
He doesn't say there is an agreement for 400 billion in revenues. The 400 billion mentioned was the additional that he says Obama wanted. I think you just got mixed up. That is how I see it.
So why are you here chit-chatting with me on LF as opposed to the glorious confines of LP where you can share one-liners with "yukon" all day and night to gain insightful meanings about the world and politics around us?
Bye yukon hacker.
Why is it that the same posters, buckeroo, Fred Mertz, war, calcon,liberator and We The People get the idea at every, absolutely every forum they infest that they are in charge and the webhost is a fool? JR, Goldi, Stone, Christine. All except Robin. Do you all work for Robin or Charlie Chan's #3 idiot son, noluck? LF, LP, FR, F4um would all be saner safer and more civil without any of you around.
buckeroo is afraid of Robin.
Opening a hundred zombie accounts … Start your own site (buckeroo) and all your handles can debate each other. nolu chan posted This will be a GREAT opportunity to follow the suggestion ... try it, you might like it!
To try to help you, Bucky boy. This may sound harsh, but being a mental case doesn't mean that you cannot learn. An objective intelligent consideration often times does work. Let's work on that together to help you ... shall we?
After thinking about it ... I can believe that.
Well, that makes sense now. It must be true that she is a dominatrix and her little chihuahua, Charlie Chan's #3 Idiot son, noluck, is in charge of the whips and chains. Maybe he will open his own site; ireland.com could use the hits.
You are too much fun. And, I have plenty of accounts EVERYWHERE hence my own suggestions. Some accounts are disposable, that is to say like this one as I know it shall be trashed by a so called tyrant under the colour of authority. It is all in good fun however. And, whether you believe it or not, I don't use clumsy methods of leaving footprints other than intended ones. I love to keep you guessing. It is all you have remaining in life as you don't have much else to talk about.
You're a fuckhead and a danger to society. After reading your post, the first thing I thought of was Turret's Syndrome. If it is this, then I can understand the reasons for your unintelligible outburst. That is the only way I can ...
It is all in good fun however. And, whether you believe it or not, I don't use clumsy methods of leaving footprints other than intended ones. I love to keep you guessing. It is all you have remaining in life as you don't have much else to talk about. Bucky, you don't ever keep me guessing. I pay little to no attention to your slips, mistakes and faulty reasoning … don’t you have anything else?
Why would anyone want to hide hundreds of screen names, or sneak back using different screen names after he has been banned. Who knows why ... who knows what in the world forever runs through Bucky's warped, evil, scatological mind?
Making a DDoS attack against LP for thirty minutes while you and I are exchanging comments and then asking me if I enjoyed the break ... that's fun? What was "funny" about that, Bucky? Your humor will not shield you from any of the consequences of your behavior.
Bucky's convoluted thought structure and presentation led me to believe long ago that he suffers from Dyslexia compounded by a severe personality disorder of meandering anchors. Fred on the other hand is just senile.
Yes, evidenced by a definite noticeable deteriorating mental functioning with faltering alertness and incoherent responses.
I am intrigued by the pathology of Robin's influence in all of this mess; where the hell did she come from?
Good Night, Stone. And ...
This whole thing (US debt limit and the PIIGs (Portugaul, Italy, Ireland and Greece) is just the "Progressive" Debt / Usury system of money creation collapsing all over the world. The ONLY debate now should be about what replaces it. (Either a precious metal standard or Taxation based Treasury Notes like the Lincoln Greenbacks.) Trichanosis explained why the Bible banned pork and what's going on in the relm of money and the economy now explains why the Bible banned USURY.
No, first we start with ALL "gun control" laws, federal state and local based on the second and fourteenth amendments. Then we go to that Willy Wonka fudge mountain of paper the executive "regulatory agencies" foisted on us unconstitutionally MAKING LAW when only the Congress has that authority. (I'm refering to that mountain of paper that Stossel shows on his Faux Nr=ews show every time it is about "regulatory agencies" then we can worry about congressionally passed "commerce clause" nonsense.
You CAN'T get Moderator X to ban Stone. Stone OWNS THE SITE and appointed Moderator X to take care of it for him when he is not here.
How about that..... we learn something new every day.
You eliminated LF's chief forum moderator, Moderator X. What gives YOU the unmitigated right to hurt the chit-chat channel's best?
I see "We the People" kicking your asses all over LP today. He brings your combined best into a focus for further review.
... What gives YOU the unmitigated right to hurt the chit-chat channel's best? Duh! He owns the forum ... dumbass! And I guess it is not as you said on TPF ... He is not afraid of you.
He was no bother to me ...
Really? Explain the mechanics of how "he owns the forum." Does "he" own yours or my posts, too?
You are defensive again, tater. It is a G-R-E-A-T day to watch you cower before other posters. "We The People" beat you and harrowup to a bloody pulp, again on LP.
Since he can delete or prevent them ... he "owns" the right to "control" them. As does he also "own" the right to control "who" posts here. You and I post here at his courtesy ... and don't you forget it!!!
Satisfaction is only in the eyes of the beholder.
Yeah, he sure knew how to take a punch and not know he's bleeding... Ba da bing, ba da boom.
As does he also "own" the right to control "who" posts here. You and I post here at his courtesy ... and don't you forget it!!! So your contention is that "he" can can control our thoughts and repress the free exchange of ideas unless we agree with him. How do we know how to agree with anything he thinks about? There are no clear rules that are documented anywhere. Similar to your lovelust, Goldie's forum. Both forum managers make up rules as they go along.
I enjoy your restatement of a classical phrase, "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." Is that all you can attempt at a clever expression? But, then entire forum watched "We The People" kick your ass into complete humiliation. You are so defensive, you saw my post over here on LF..... you are always watching and waiting with a puckered anal sphincter. You are too quick on the draw to prove much worth against formidable odds. You are a babbling joke.
... Both forum managers make up rules as they go along. Nope, it is not my contention that he can control our thought ... I have never seen that to be the case, where Stone "tries" to control our thoughts or repress any free exchange of ideas ... and I have never seen any edict that we agree with him. Do you need rules of etiquette documented here for you to be courteous? Both forum manager have the right to do whatever they want to, and do that anytime they want to ... with respect to their forums. If you don't not like that, then you also have a right ... the right not to post on their forums. Elementary, Bucky, elementary!
Then why bother with me ...
So why the repression of your pal, "yukon's" madcap adventure ride on LP, March 27, 2011? Biased. On this thread alone, Stone removed comments; he even timed me out for awhile. This is the Internet; the rules of engagement must be characterized by documented policies and procedures. For forum managers too lazy to understand this important idea, they shall flounder forever wondering why they can't herd a pile of people with different backgrounds and political concepts into a nice channel having tea and crumpets with a chat. No they don't. If there are no clear rules; they are as much the issue as anyone. But, you miss the entire point. That is why I am here.
You are as much fun to watch as "yukon." Please remember, this is pure entertainment for the most experienced posters as some of us find time out of our busy lives. I especially enjoy watching you "flinch" and "quiver" based on your own naivete.
There used to be some really bad fishermen at Clown Posse, but none of them were stupid enough to post such stinko bait.
Go back outside before the Sun sets and enjoy one of your goats. It shall keep your mind off what is happening as you get your jollies off.
(Already answered this one).
Nowhere did I see an unconscious exclusion of painful impulses, desires, or fears from the conscious mind. Since I did not see that happen … I, of course, cannot comment on that. Therefore you need to direct the comment to Stone. You deserved it … I thought he had banned you. I would have. But, since he did not, I will concede that your statement on TPF is correct: “Stone is afraid” of you. That is blatantly obvious to me now. Sounds like your personal problem, Bucky. I have never had a conflict with a forum owner. Yet you seem to be in constant conflict with every one of them. Ever wonder why that is? Nah, of course you wouldn’t! It is impossible of a forum owner to write a rule for ever contingency. I repeat: Every forum owner has the absolute right and authority to do anything he/she desires as long as it is lawful and does not violate any contractual agreement. But wait!!! You are the provocateur about rules. You are the who provokes trouble, causes dissension, or the like; the agitator … about rules. Since you have become such a stickler for rules, why don’t you post for everyone the see: The Operating Rules for a Chit-Chat Forum Owner. You do that for us, please. You can … can’t you? No, I didn’t miss your point … you never make an intelligent one. You may try again, if you like … and next time attempt to make sense. As I have said: If you don't like the way a forum owner runs a forum, there is an unwritten but commonly accepted rule. That is, you have the inherent right not to post on their forum.
Oh the booze again, I can tell ... yep, it's Saturday alright.
If you will check, you will find that you have made more references to goats that anyone (maybe with one unnamed exception). It is therefore obvious to everyone that you are the one getting your jollies off fantasying about someone with goats. ***Snicker***
I shall confine my comment to this singular remarck that you enjoy on LP with your buddy "yukon": ROTFL.
Yes indeed, Major tater and Sunday is dawning on LP. Watch out!
The day is good when many posters slap you and "yukon" et al, across the head with a 2X4. Yep, the day is good.
Of course it is. If they can't borrow more money, "non-essential" portions of the government will have to shut down. Yahoo.
There are 535 individuals in Congress, each of which have a person career agenda to preserve and move forward.
Really? Where? All I see are Republicans/Democrats continuing their decades old political antics screwing the US Constitution and the American People.
Mostly I see that too, but there really are a small handful that are different. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, Connie Mack, and maybe 5 or 10 others, including Dennis Kunchinich on the other side.
You will do nothing ... NOTHING! So, there is no need for me to watch out.
Hasn't happened ... Stay off the booze.
Hasn't happened ... Stay off the booze. Honestly, if We The People is even remotely representative of Ron Paul supporters then I seriously underestimated the depth of their ignorance and cult like brain washing.
Ping me in a couple of hours if you don't mind. I need a wee bit of rest before the festivities begin.
a lot more than non-essential operations will shut down - unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"
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He doesn't. You could also add the air traffic controllers, FDA, OSHA, the EPA, National Parks, Post Office, and on and on. To him the only legitimate function of the Federal Government is to make the rich richer.
They're all doing a lousy job and will not be missed. Private enterprise, the US Army and public spirited vigilante volunteers, can do a far better job.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Yeah right, history has already proved that to be wrong. And I was told by hundreds of Vets that "it was the right way or the Army way" was a very accurate statement.
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Bon Ton Roulet! Is that like 3 card monte?
He doesn't. You could also add the air traffic controllers, FDA, OSHA, the EPA, National Parks, Post Office, and on and on. The government will collect $179 billion in taxes in August. Interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, and military salaries add up to $143 billion. That's $36 left for other things. Here's how to make that $36 billion larger: 25% of people over 65 have pensions or incomes from annuities or property that classifies them as "wealthy". Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things. Then get rid of all government subsidies for energy, agriculture, NPR, NEA, etc. and crazy "research" programs like studying hookers in China and the size of gay men's penises and you'd have a bunch of additional money. Then sell the Post Office, Amtrak, and other services that could be better provided by business and you'd have even more money. It's pretty darn simple to cut enough spending to close the deficit.
The Post Office entity is empowered by the constitution. But you can blame Nixon for restructuring it under the corporate model and thereby creating the problems it has today.
Those "wealthy" people had their money stolen from them during their working years for these programs just like everyone else, with the same promise that they would start getting their money back when they turned 65. Why should they have their assets stolen? They did nothing wrong. It's bad enough that they're being taxed on money that was already taxed once before it was collected from them. I thought it was only the evil left that branded people as "wealthy" so as to confiscate their wealth. I see that rock-ribbed conservatives are no different.
Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
. So you support feral goobermental theft of AMERICAN'S assets? So, IF the gooberment TAKES money from you your entire working life, AND you manage to end up NOT on "assistance", then the gooberment can just KEEP your money because you are too "rich"? So then they can use YOUR money to pay "assistance" to those who "need" it? Who gets to say who is and who is not "wealthy"? YOU? The feral gooberment? Don't you see this is an issue designed to fracture the American population along generational lines? I totally agree that SS is un-Constitutional, but ... it EXISTS. Many of us have lived under this noxious system for ALL of our working lives. But hey FUCK us right? (Btw I don't get ANY sort of goobermental "assistance", AND I'm NOT "wealthy".) In fact I am eligible to apply for alot of "programs' but I'd rather die than take it. But, if you want to get technical, SS does owe me the money that they stole from me ALL of my working life, plus interest, plus the inflation. That's what they owe EVERYBODY whose money they stole by force. We ought to change this ponzi scheme for the people younger than us, but WE older Americans have paided SS taxes, every fucking paycheck of our lives, ALL of OUR LIVES. So .... then you say ... FUCK the "25% of people over 65", FUCK the American people eh? As if it'll make a bit of difference. In case you hadn't noticed the messiah 'king" obammy and his Chi-town gang of commies have started a real depression and are destroying OUR economy as we speak. The odds are very low that SS is going to be there for ANYBODY at this rate. I sure have never counted on it. But, that does NOT mean that it's OK to steal YEARS of payments from innocent people. I would cut spending the day I arrived as president, it would be EASY. You just need to know how to say NO. Which politicians are incapable of doing. I'M not a politician.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
It's bad enough that they're being taxed on money that was already taxed once before it was collected from them. I thought it was only the evil left that branded people as "wealthy" so as to confiscate their wealth. I see that rock-ribbed conservatives are no different. Look there! PROOF that even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then! Skippy doo doo backs into the total truth about the matter! Including how some so called putative CONSERVATIVES buy into the libTURD class WARfare "argument" NONSENSE. It's surely snowing in hell!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Rail travel was a money loser by the 1960s. The Nixon Administration created Amtrak because rail passengers lobbied to keep rail travel from going away. Nothing much has changed in 30+ years, and I doubt that any private company would want to operate passenger rail today.
The government steals money every day. It's called taxation. Why should a working family struggling in a bad economic be forced to pay for some well to do greedy geezer lounging around the golf course???
What is it that makes the geezer "greedy"? That he expects the government to keep it's word? But what's the problem anyway? If the geezer is really loaded he'll end up paying 50% of his SS take back to the government as taxes.
Rail travel was a money loser by the 1960s. Prior to the Great Depression, nearly all intercity travelers in the United States moved by private rail. After WWII, the government used tax money to build the interstate highway system and compete with private rail. While the interstate highway system was "free" to use, private railroad companies were subject to property and other taxes. Every foot of rail was taxed, and some localities treated them like cash cows, which escalated their operating costs. Of course, the airline industry (using subsidized government airports) also competed with private rail after WWII. The government interstate highway put them out of business for short haul routes and the airlines put them out of business for long haul routes. I laugh at the environmental leftists who want the government to favor rail over cars, when it was the government that destroyed rail by subsidizing roads.
"I'm old... gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme..."
Right, or about $120-130 billion LESS then then the spending CONGRESS appropriated. You keep ignoring that. Didn't those "free loaders" pay into the system? Nope, the Republicans refuse to raise revenue by cutting tax credits, and the programs you list don't add up to a hill of beans. You want to keep denying it, but come 8/2 and no extension of the cap - the government will be shutting down things like the FAA, Department of Veterans affairs, most non-essential military spending, border security, food/mine inspections, and so on. Meanwhile, the stock market will tank, hundreds of thousands of jobs will be at risk, and borrowing costs will sky-rocket while we go into a recession. But hey, you've told us you won't notice any of this, so who cares, right?
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I don't ignore that at all. I keep saying that the politicians will have to prioritize other spending to fit into that $36 billion a month. Homeland Security is $4 billion month. That leaves $32 billion. There is plenty of money to do essential things. The politicians need to cut off the crap.
#2. To: All (#1)
#3. To: go65 (#2)
An irate Obama said he's summoning Congressional leaders to the WH tomorrow after 11 AM to tell him how they are going to avoid default.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#4. To: go65 (#0)
(Edited)
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#5. To: jwpegler (#4)
During the government shut down in the 1990s I didn't know a single person who was impacted at all.
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#3)
And their response should be very simple:
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#7. To: jwpegler (#6)
I do have to admit that Boehner and the House Republicans are holding up better than I thought they would.
#8. To: jwpegler (#4)
Obama has greatly oversold the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling.
During the government shut down in the 1990s I didn't know a single person who was impacted at all. Not one.
#9. To: jwpegler (#6)
Yep. I do have to admit that Boehner and the House Republicans are holding up better than I thought they would.
Contrast this with the castrated GOP cowards in the Senate who propose to give Obama carte blanche to run up $2.5 trillion more in debt in the hopes that the voters will blame him for digging us deeper into a hole.
#10. To: buckeroo (#7)
You act as though there isn't some kind of unofficial set of agreements/policies and procedures that occur between within the same political parties that run between the two houses of Congress.
#11. To: go65 (#10)
The GOP is seemingly prepared to crash the U.S. economy come Monday when markets open.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#12. To: Biff Tannen (#11)
I really haven't been following this at all, but why do you think it'll be mess when markets open on Monday? Do investors and whoever really think the worthless government dufus's won't do what has to be done by the deadline?
#13. To: go65 (#10)
The GOP is seemingly prepared to crash the U.S. economy come Monday when markets open.
#14. To: go65 (#12)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#15. To: go65 (#9)
Boehner contradicted himself twice in about 12 minutes today - saying that both they were never close to a deal and that they were close to a deal
#16. To: Biff Tannen (#11)
#17. To: go65 (#12)
up until now most rational and sane people have assumed that something will get done to raise the debt ceiling before 8/2.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)
#19. To: Fred Mertz (#18)
You can't be serious.
#20. To: A K A Stone, go65, Moderator X (#16)
He's [go65] really worried he wont get his welfare check.
#21. To: buckeroo (#20)
#22. To: A K A Stone (#21)
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#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)
Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently.
#24. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#20)
You have allowed yourself to succumb to the depths of deplorable despair as Gatlin, yukon, harrowup and all the others representing atrocious manners from LP.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#16)
He's really worried he wont get his welfare check.
#26. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, buckeroo (#23)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#15)
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What specifically did he say. Sometimes you don't understand what is said or you twist stuff. So tell us specifically what the contradiction was.
"We had an agreement on a revenue number -- a revenue number that we thought we could reach based on a flatter tax code with lower rates and a broader base that would produce more economic growth, more employees and more taxpayers, and a tax system that was more efficient in collecting the taxes that were due the federal government, There was an agreement on some additional revenues until [Thursday] when the president demanded $400 billion more, which was going to be nothing more than a tax increase on the American people, and I can tell you that Leader Cantor and I were very disappointed in this call for higher revenue.”
“The extra $400 billion would have had to come from increasing taxes on the very people that we expect to invest in our economy and to create jobs, I gave the president’s proposal serious consideration, but let’s understand something: there was an agreement with the White House at $800 billion in revenue. It’s the president who walked away from his agreement and demanded more money at the last minute.”
#28. To: harrowup (#24)
#29. To: A K A Stone (#17)
The debt ceiling doesn't need to be raised. Owebama already wasted enough money. Cut spending.
#30. To: buckeroo (#28)
#31. To: harrowup, Moderator X (#26)
#32. To: harrowup (#26)
#33. To: harrowup (#30)
#34. To: go65 (#27)
#35. To: Fred Mertz, harrowup (#32)
You [harrowup] don't know anything, goat farmer.
#36. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#21)
Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently.
#37. To: Gatlin (#36)
#38. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#37)
#39. To: Gatlin (#38)
#40. To: buckeroo (#39)
#41. To: go65 (#27)
He says in the same statement that there was an agreement for $400 billion in revenues, and $800 billion in revenues. And he's repeatedly said that there was no agreement.
#42. To: Gatlin (#40)
#43. To: buckeroo (#42)
#44. To: buckeroo, Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, We The People, war, calcon (#39)
#45. To: harrowup (#44)
#46. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#43)
Bye yukon hacker.
#47. To: buckeroo (#42)
So why are you here ...
#48. To: A K A Stone, harrowup (#45)
buckeroo is afraid of Robin.
#49. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#45)
buckeroo is afraid of Robin.
#50. To: Gatlin (#46)
#51. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone (#23)
Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently.
#52. To: Mayor of Adak Island, A K A Stone (#50)
You are too much fun. And, I have plenty of accounts EVERYWHERE hence my own suggestions. Some accounts are disposable, that is to say like this one as I know it shall be trashed by a so called tyrant under the colour of authority.
#53. To: harrowup, A K A Stone, Mayor of Adak Island (#49)
Maybe he will open his own site; ireland.com could use the hits.
#54. To: Mayor of Adak Island, A K A Stone, harrowup (#50)
It is all in good fun however ...
#55. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, Mayor of Adak Island, Fred Mertz (#53)
Who knows why ... who knows what in the world forever runs through Bucky's warped, evil, scatological mind?
#56. To: harrowup, A K A Stone, Mayor of Adak Island, Fred Mertz (#55)
Fred on the other hand is just senile.
#57. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#56)
#58. To: harrowup, A K A Stone, Mayor of Adak Island (#56)
(Edited)
Good Night, Hawk.
Bucky,
Wherever You Are.
#59. To: go65 (#1)
The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#60. To: A K A Stone (#19)
The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#61. To: buckeroo (#20)
The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#62. To: Coral Snake (#61)
#63. To: A K A Stone (#43)
Bye yukon hacker.
#64. To: Gatlin, harrowup, We the People (#58)
#65. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#63)
(Edited)
Bye yukon hacker.
#66. To: buckeroo (#64)
#67. To: Gatlin (#65)
#68. To: Gatlin, harrowup, We the People (#66)
He was no bother to me ...
#69. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#67)
Does "he" own yours or my posts, too?
#70. To: buckeroo (#68)
#71. To: buckeroo, Gatlin, A K A Stone (#68)
"We The People" beat you and harrowup to a bloody pulp, again on LP.
#72. To: Gatlin (#69)
Since he can delete or prevent them ... he "owns" the right to "control" them.
#73. To: Gatlin (#70)
(Edited)
Satisfaction is only in the eyes of the beholder.
#74. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#72)
So your contention is that "he" can can control ...
#75. To: buckeroo (#73)
You are a babbling joke.
#76. To: Gatlin (#74)
Nope, it is not my contention that he can control our thought ...
I have never seen that to be the case, where Stone "tries" to control our thoughts or repress any free exchange of ideas ... and I have never seen any edict that we agree with him.
Do you need rules of etiquette documented here for you to be courteous?
Both forum manager have the right to do whatever they want to, and do that anytime they want to ... with respect to their forums.
If you don't not like that, then you also have a right ... the right not to post on their forums.
#77. To: Gatlin (#75)
Then why bother with me ...
#78. To: buckeroo, Gatlin (#77)
I especially enjoy watching you "flinch" and "quiver" based on your own naivete.
#79. To: harrowup (#78)
#80. To: buckeroo (#64)
(Edited)
#81. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, harrowup (#76)
So why the repression of your pal, "yukon's" madcap adventure ride on LP, March 27, 2011?
Biased. On this thread alone, Stone removed comments; …
… he even timed me out for awhile.
This is the Internet; the rules of engagement must be characterized by documented policies and procedures. For forum managers too lazy to understand this important idea, they shall flounder forever wondering why they can't herd a pile of people with different backgrounds and political concepts into a nice channel having tea and crumpets with a chat.
No they don't. If there are no clear rules; they are as much the issue as anyone.
But, you miss the entire point. That is why I am here.
The conclusion you arrive at with a faulty reasoning … is a faulty conclusion. ~ Author Unknown.
#82. To: buckeroo (#77)
I especially enjoy watching you "flinch" and "quiver" based on your own naivete.
#83. To: buckeroo, harrowup (#79)
Go back outside before the Sun sets and enjoy one of your goats. It shall keep your mind off what is happening as you get your jollies off.
#84. To: Gatlin (#81)
You deserved it … I thought he had banned you. I would have.
#85. To: Gatlin (#82)
yep, it's Saturday alright.
#86. To: Gatlin (#83)
***Snicker***
#87. To: go65 (#8)
This isn't a government shut-down.
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#88. To: buckeroo (#7)
(Edited)
You act as though there isn't some kind of unofficial set of agreements/policies and procedures that occur between within the same political parties that run between the two houses of Congress.
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#89. To: jwpegler (#88)
There are 535 individuals in Congress, each which have a person career agenda to preserve and move forward.
#90. To: buckeroo (#89)
(Edited)
Really? Where? All I see are Republicans/Democrats continuing their decades old political antics screwing the US Constitution and the American People.
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#91. To: buckeroo (#85)
Watch out!
#92. To: buckeroo (#86)
The day is good when many posters slap you and "yukon" et al, across the head with a 2X4. Yep, the day is good.
#93. To: Gatlin (#92)
"The day is good when many posters slap you and "yukon" et al, across the head with a 2X4. Yep, the day is good."
#94. To: Gatlin (#91)
You will do nothing ... NOTHING!
#95. To: jwpegler (#87)
Of course it is. If they can't borrow more money, "non-essential" portions of the government will have to shut down. Yahoo.
#96. To: go65 (#95)
unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"
#97. To: go65, jwpegler (#95)
the FAA, border security, food inspections
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#98. To: hondo68 (#97)
(Edited)
They're all doing a lousy job and will not be missed. Private enterprise, the US Army and public spirited vigilante volunteers, can do a far better job.
#99. To: buckeroo (#94)
(Edited)
#100. To: Gatlin (#99)
Three Pingie-Pingie
#101. To: Skip Intro, go65, capitalist eric (#96)
(Edited)
unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#102. To: jwpegler (#101)
Then sell the Post Office, Amtrak, and other services that could be better provided by business and you'd have even more money.
#103. To: jwpegler (#101)
Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things.
#104. To: jwpegler (#101)
Then sell the Post Office, Amtrak, and other services that could be better provided by business and you'd have even more money.
#105. To: jwpegler (#101)
Here's how to make that $36 billion larger: 25% of people over 65 have pensions or incomes from annuities or property that classifies them as "wealthy". Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things.
#106. To: Skip Intro, jwpegler (#103)
Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things. Those "wealthy" people had their money stolen from them during their working years for these programs just like everyone else, with the same promise that they would start getting their money back when they turned 65. Why should they have their assets stolen? They did nothing wrong.
#107. To: lucysmom (#104)
Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?
#108. To: Skip Intro (#103)
(Edited)
Why should they have their assets stolen?
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#109. To: jwpegler (#108)
Why should a working family struggling in a bad economic be forced to pay for some well to do greedy geezer lounging around the golf course???
#110. To: Skip Intro (#107)
(Edited)
Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#111. To: Skip Intro (#109)
What is it that makes the geezer "greedy"?
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#112. To: jwpegler (#101)
That's $36 left for other things.
Here's how to make that $36 billion larger: 25% of people over 65 have pensions or incomes from annuities or property that classifies them as "wealthy". Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things.
Then get rid of all government subsidies for energy, agriculture, NPR, NEA, etc. and crazy "research" programs like studying hookers in China and the size of gay men's penises and you'd have a bunch of additional money.
#113. To: go65 (#112)
Right, or about $120-130 billion LESS then then the spending CONGRESS appropriated. You keep ignoring that.
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
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