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Title: Boehner breaks off debt talks
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Published: Jul 22, 2011
Author: Mark Knoller
Post Date: 2011-07-22 18:08:18 by go65
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Comments: 113
Speaker Boehner breaking off talks with Pres Obama. House leaders will negotiate with Senate leaders instead.
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#73. To: Gatlin (#70)
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I enjoy your restatement of a classical phrase, "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." Is that all you can attempt at a clever expression? But, then entire forum watched "We The People" kick your ass into complete humiliation. You are so defensive, you saw my post over here on LF..... you are always watching and waiting with a puckered anal sphincter. You are too quick on the draw to prove much worth against formidable odds. You are a babbling joke.
... Both forum managers make up rules as they go along. Nope, it is not my contention that he can control our thought ... I have never seen that to be the case, where Stone "tries" to control our thoughts or repress any free exchange of ideas ... and I have never seen any edict that we agree with him. Do you need rules of etiquette documented here for you to be courteous? Both forum manager have the right to do whatever they want to, and do that anytime they want to ... with respect to their forums. If you don't not like that, then you also have a right ... the right not to post on their forums. Elementary, Bucky, elementary!
Then why bother with me ...
So why the repression of your pal, "yukon's" madcap adventure ride on LP, March 27, 2011? Biased. On this thread alone, Stone removed comments; he even timed me out for awhile. This is the Internet; the rules of engagement must be characterized by documented policies and procedures. For forum managers too lazy to understand this important idea, they shall flounder forever wondering why they can't herd a pile of people with different backgrounds and political concepts into a nice channel having tea and crumpets with a chat. No they don't. If there are no clear rules; they are as much the issue as anyone. But, you miss the entire point. That is why I am here.
You are as much fun to watch as "yukon." Please remember, this is pure entertainment for the most experienced posters as some of us find time out of our busy lives. I especially enjoy watching you "flinch" and "quiver" based on your own naivete.
There used to be some really bad fishermen at Clown Posse, but none of them were stupid enough to post such stinko bait.
Go back outside before the Sun sets and enjoy one of your goats. It shall keep your mind off what is happening as you get your jollies off.
(Already answered this one).
Nowhere did I see an unconscious exclusion of painful impulses, desires, or fears from the conscious mind. Since I did not see that happen … I, of course, cannot comment on that. Therefore you need to direct the comment to Stone. You deserved it … I thought he had banned you. I would have. But, since he did not, I will concede that your statement on TPF is correct: “Stone is afraid” of you. That is blatantly obvious to me now. Sounds like your personal problem, Bucky. I have never had a conflict with a forum owner. Yet you seem to be in constant conflict with every one of them. Ever wonder why that is? Nah, of course you wouldn’t! It is impossible of a forum owner to write a rule for ever contingency. I repeat: Every forum owner has the absolute right and authority to do anything he/she desires as long as it is lawful and does not violate any contractual agreement. But wait!!! You are the provocateur about rules. You are the who provokes trouble, causes dissension, or the like; the agitator … about rules. Since you have become such a stickler for rules, why don’t you post for everyone the see: The Operating Rules for a Chit-Chat Forum Owner. You do that for us, please. You can … can’t you? No, I didn’t miss your point … you never make an intelligent one. You may try again, if you like … and next time attempt to make sense. As I have said: If you don't like the way a forum owner runs a forum, there is an unwritten but commonly accepted rule. That is, you have the inherent right not to post on their forum.
Oh the booze again, I can tell ... yep, it's Saturday alright.
If you will check, you will find that you have made more references to goats that anyone (maybe with one unnamed exception). It is therefore obvious to everyone that you are the one getting your jollies off fantasying about someone with goats. ***Snicker***
I shall confine my comment to this singular remarck that you enjoy on LP with your buddy "yukon": ROTFL.
Yes indeed, Major tater and Sunday is dawning on LP. Watch out!
The day is good when many posters slap you and "yukon" et al, across the head with a 2X4. Yep, the day is good.
Of course it is. If they can't borrow more money, "non-essential" portions of the government will have to shut down. Yahoo.
There are 535 individuals in Congress, each of which have a person career agenda to preserve and move forward.
Really? Where? All I see are Republicans/Democrats continuing their decades old political antics screwing the US Constitution and the American People.
Mostly I see that too, but there really are a small handful that are different. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, Connie Mack, and maybe 5 or 10 others, including Dennis Kunchinich on the other side.
You will do nothing ... NOTHING! So, there is no need for me to watch out.
Hasn't happened ... Stay off the booze.
Hasn't happened ... Stay off the booze. Honestly, if We The People is even remotely representative of Ron Paul supporters then I seriously underestimated the depth of their ignorance and cult like brain washing.
Ping me in a couple of hours if you don't mind. I need a wee bit of rest before the festivities begin.
a lot more than non-essential operations will shut down - unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"
Tagline for sale - inquire within
He doesn't. You could also add the air traffic controllers, FDA, OSHA, the EPA, National Parks, Post Office, and on and on. To him the only legitimate function of the Federal Government is to make the rich richer.
They're all doing a lousy job and will not be missed. Private enterprise, the US Army and public spirited vigilante volunteers, can do a far better job.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Yeah right, history has already proved that to be wrong. And I was told by hundreds of Vets that "it was the right way or the Army way" was a very accurate statement.
One Pingie-Pingie Two Pingie-Pingie Three Pingie-Pingie Bon Ton Roulet!
Bon Ton Roulet! Is that like 3 card monte?
He doesn't. You could also add the air traffic controllers, FDA, OSHA, the EPA, National Parks, Post Office, and on and on. The government will collect $179 billion in taxes in August. Interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, and military salaries add up to $143 billion. That's $36 left for other things. Here's how to make that $36 billion larger: 25% of people over 65 have pensions or incomes from annuities or property that classifies them as "wealthy". Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things. Then get rid of all government subsidies for energy, agriculture, NPR, NEA, etc. and crazy "research" programs like studying hookers in China and the size of gay men's penises and you'd have a bunch of additional money. Then sell the Post Office, Amtrak, and other services that could be better provided by business and you'd have even more money. It's pretty darn simple to cut enough spending to close the deficit.
The Post Office entity is empowered by the constitution. But you can blame Nixon for restructuring it under the corporate model and thereby creating the problems it has today.
Those "wealthy" people had their money stolen from them during their working years for these programs just like everyone else, with the same promise that they would start getting their money back when they turned 65. Why should they have their assets stolen? They did nothing wrong. It's bad enough that they're being taxed on money that was already taxed once before it was collected from them. I thought it was only the evil left that branded people as "wealthy" so as to confiscate their wealth. I see that rock-ribbed conservatives are no different.
Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
. So you support feral goobermental theft of AMERICAN'S assets? So, IF the gooberment TAKES money from you your entire working life, AND you manage to end up NOT on "assistance", then the gooberment can just KEEP your money because you are too "rich"? So then they can use YOUR money to pay "assistance" to those who "need" it? Who gets to say who is and who is not "wealthy"? YOU? The feral gooberment? Don't you see this is an issue designed to fracture the American population along generational lines? I totally agree that SS is un-Constitutional, but ... it EXISTS. Many of us have lived under this noxious system for ALL of our working lives. But hey FUCK us right? (Btw I don't get ANY sort of goobermental "assistance", AND I'm NOT "wealthy".) In fact I am eligible to apply for alot of "programs' but I'd rather die than take it. But, if you want to get technical, SS does owe me the money that they stole from me ALL of my working life, plus interest, plus the inflation. That's what they owe EVERYBODY whose money they stole by force. We ought to change this ponzi scheme for the people younger than us, but WE older Americans have paided SS taxes, every fucking paycheck of our lives, ALL of OUR LIVES. So .... then you say ... FUCK the "25% of people over 65", FUCK the American people eh? As if it'll make a bit of difference. In case you hadn't noticed the messiah 'king" obammy and his Chi-town gang of commies have started a real depression and are destroying OUR economy as we speak. The odds are very low that SS is going to be there for ANYBODY at this rate. I sure have never counted on it. But, that does NOT mean that it's OK to steal YEARS of payments from innocent people. I would cut spending the day I arrived as president, it would be EASY. You just need to know how to say NO. Which politicians are incapable of doing. I'M not a politician.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
It's bad enough that they're being taxed on money that was already taxed once before it was collected from them. I thought it was only the evil left that branded people as "wealthy" so as to confiscate their wealth. I see that rock-ribbed conservatives are no different. Look there! PROOF that even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then! Skippy doo doo backs into the total truth about the matter! Including how some so called putative CONSERVATIVES buy into the libTURD class WARfare "argument" NONSENSE. It's surely snowing in hell!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Rail travel was a money loser by the 1960s. The Nixon Administration created Amtrak because rail passengers lobbied to keep rail travel from going away. Nothing much has changed in 30+ years, and I doubt that any private company would want to operate passenger rail today.
The government steals money every day. It's called taxation. Why should a working family struggling in a bad economic be forced to pay for some well to do greedy geezer lounging around the golf course???
What is it that makes the geezer "greedy"? That he expects the government to keep it's word? But what's the problem anyway? If the geezer is really loaded he'll end up paying 50% of his SS take back to the government as taxes.
Rail travel was a money loser by the 1960s. Prior to the Great Depression, nearly all intercity travelers in the United States moved by private rail. After WWII, the government used tax money to build the interstate highway system and compete with private rail. While the interstate highway system was "free" to use, private railroad companies were subject to property and other taxes. Every foot of rail was taxed, and some localities treated them like cash cows, which escalated their operating costs. Of course, the airline industry (using subsidized government airports) also competed with private rail after WWII. The government interstate highway put them out of business for short haul routes and the airlines put them out of business for long haul routes. I laugh at the environmental leftists who want the government to favor rail over cars, when it was the government that destroyed rail by subsidizing roads.
"I'm old... gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme..."
Right, or about $120-130 billion LESS then then the spending CONGRESS appropriated. You keep ignoring that. Didn't those "free loaders" pay into the system? Nope, the Republicans refuse to raise revenue by cutting tax credits, and the programs you list don't add up to a hill of beans. You want to keep denying it, but come 8/2 and no extension of the cap - the government will be shutting down things like the FAA, Department of Veterans affairs, most non-essential military spending, border security, food/mine inspections, and so on. Meanwhile, the stock market will tank, hundreds of thousands of jobs will be at risk, and borrowing costs will sky-rocket while we go into a recession. But hey, you've told us you won't notice any of this, so who cares, right?
Tagline for sale - inquire within
I don't ignore that at all. I keep saying that the politicians will have to prioritize other spending to fit into that $36 billion a month. Homeland Security is $4 billion month. That leaves $32 billion. There is plenty of money to do essential things. The politicians need to cut off the crap.
Satisfaction is only in the eyes of the beholder.
#74. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#72)
So your contention is that "he" can can control ...
#75. To: buckeroo (#73)
You are a babbling joke.
#76. To: Gatlin (#74)
Nope, it is not my contention that he can control our thought ...
I have never seen that to be the case, where Stone "tries" to control our thoughts or repress any free exchange of ideas ... and I have never seen any edict that we agree with him.
Do you need rules of etiquette documented here for you to be courteous?
Both forum manager have the right to do whatever they want to, and do that anytime they want to ... with respect to their forums.
If you don't not like that, then you also have a right ... the right not to post on their forums.
#77. To: Gatlin (#75)
Then why bother with me ...
#78. To: buckeroo, Gatlin (#77)
I especially enjoy watching you "flinch" and "quiver" based on your own naivete.
#79. To: harrowup (#78)
#80. To: buckeroo (#64)
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#81. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, harrowup (#76)
So why the repression of your pal, "yukon's" madcap adventure ride on LP, March 27, 2011?
Biased. On this thread alone, Stone removed comments; …
… he even timed me out for awhile.
This is the Internet; the rules of engagement must be characterized by documented policies and procedures. For forum managers too lazy to understand this important idea, they shall flounder forever wondering why they can't herd a pile of people with different backgrounds and political concepts into a nice channel having tea and crumpets with a chat.
No they don't. If there are no clear rules; they are as much the issue as anyone.
But, you miss the entire point. That is why I am here.
The conclusion you arrive at with a faulty reasoning … is a faulty conclusion. ~ Author Unknown.
#82. To: buckeroo (#77)
I especially enjoy watching you "flinch" and "quiver" based on your own naivete.
#83. To: buckeroo, harrowup (#79)
Go back outside before the Sun sets and enjoy one of your goats. It shall keep your mind off what is happening as you get your jollies off.
#84. To: Gatlin (#81)
You deserved it … I thought he had banned you. I would have.
#85. To: Gatlin (#82)
yep, it's Saturday alright.
#86. To: Gatlin (#83)
***Snicker***
#87. To: go65 (#8)
This isn't a government shut-down.
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#88. To: buckeroo (#7)
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You act as though there isn't some kind of unofficial set of agreements/policies and procedures that occur between within the same political parties that run between the two houses of Congress.
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#89. To: jwpegler (#88)
There are 535 individuals in Congress, each which have a person career agenda to preserve and move forward.
#90. To: buckeroo (#89)
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Really? Where? All I see are Republicans/Democrats continuing their decades old political antics screwing the US Constitution and the American People.
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#91. To: buckeroo (#85)
Watch out!
#92. To: buckeroo (#86)
The day is good when many posters slap you and "yukon" et al, across the head with a 2X4. Yep, the day is good.
#93. To: Gatlin (#92)
"The day is good when many posters slap you and "yukon" et al, across the head with a 2X4. Yep, the day is good."
#94. To: Gatlin (#91)
You will do nothing ... NOTHING!
#95. To: jwpegler (#87)
Of course it is. If they can't borrow more money, "non-essential" portions of the government will have to shut down. Yahoo.
#96. To: go65 (#95)
unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"
#97. To: go65, jwpegler (#95)
the FAA, border security, food inspections
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#98. To: hondo68 (#97)
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They're all doing a lousy job and will not be missed. Private enterprise, the US Army and public spirited vigilante volunteers, can do a far better job.
#99. To: buckeroo (#94)
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#100. To: Gatlin (#99)
Three Pingie-Pingie
#101. To: Skip Intro, go65, capitalist eric (#96)
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unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#102. To: jwpegler (#101)
Then sell the Post Office, Amtrak, and other services that could be better provided by business and you'd have even more money.
#103. To: jwpegler (#101)
Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things.
#104. To: jwpegler (#101)
Then sell the Post Office, Amtrak, and other services that could be better provided by business and you'd have even more money.
#105. To: jwpegler (#101)
Here's how to make that $36 billion larger: 25% of people over 65 have pensions or incomes from annuities or property that classifies them as "wealthy". Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things.
#106. To: Skip Intro, jwpegler (#103)
Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things. Those "wealthy" people had their money stolen from them during their working years for these programs just like everyone else, with the same promise that they would start getting their money back when they turned 65. Why should they have their assets stolen? They did nothing wrong.
#107. To: lucysmom (#104)
Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?
#108. To: Skip Intro (#103)
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Why should they have their assets stolen?
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#109. To: jwpegler (#108)
Why should a working family struggling in a bad economic be forced to pay for some well to do greedy geezer lounging around the golf course???
#110. To: Skip Intro (#107)
(Edited)
Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#111. To: Skip Intro (#109)
What is it that makes the geezer "greedy"?
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#112. To: jwpegler (#101)
That's $36 left for other things.
Here's how to make that $36 billion larger: 25% of people over 65 have pensions or incomes from annuities or property that classifies them as "wealthy". Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things.
Then get rid of all government subsidies for energy, agriculture, NPR, NEA, etc. and crazy "research" programs like studying hookers in China and the size of gay men's penises and you'd have a bunch of additional money.
#113. To: go65 (#112)
Right, or about $120-130 billion LESS then then the spending CONGRESS appropriated. You keep ignoring that.
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
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