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Title: Boehner breaks off debt talks
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Published: Jul 22, 2011
Author: Mark Knoller
Post Date: 2011-07-22 18:08:18 by go65
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Speaker Boehner breaking off talks with Pres Obama. House leaders will negotiate with Senate leaders instead.
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#1. To: All (#0)
if there's no agreement by the time the market opens on Monday, it's going to be a blood-bath.
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An irate Obama said he's summoning Congressional leaders to the WH tomorrow after 11 AM to tell him how they are going to avoid default.
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And their response should be very simple: ESAD.
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
Obama has greatly oversold the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling. August 2nd is going to come and go and very few of us will notice anything different. During the government shut down in the 1990s I didn't know a single person who was impacted at all. Not one.
There are very serious problems with your perspective. The past is not a predictor with contemporary circumstances that you should already know about.
ESAD. Yep. I do have to admit that Boehner and the House Republicans are holding up better than I thought they would. Contrast this with the castrated GOP cowards in the Senate who propose to give Obama carte blanche to run up $2.5 trillion more in debt in the hopes that the voters will blame him for digging us deeper into a hole.
Contrast this with the castrated GOP cowards in the Senate who propose to give Obama carte blanche to run up $2.5 trillion more in debt in the hopes that the voters will blame him for digging us deeper into a hole. You act as though there isn't some kind of unofficial set of agreements/policies and procedures that occur between within the same political parties that run between the two houses of Congress. Man, are you FUCKING ignorant.
August 2nd is going to come and go and very few of us will notice anything different. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and every financial organization greatly disagrees, I guess they are all morons. This isn't a government shut-down.
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Boehner contradicted himself twice in about 12 minutes today - saying that both they were never close to a deal and that they were close to a deal and after saying Obama wasn't trustworthy because he "moved the goalposts" he said he trusts Obama. If you like this sort of flip-flopping you must love Mitt Romney. You seem to have little understand of the budget/appropriations process. The reason Obama is asking for the debt ceiling to be raised is because Congress, with a House of Representatives in Republican hands since January of 2011, APPROPRIATED more spending then the country can afford without borrowing. The correct course of action here to avoid default is for Congress to raise the debt ceiling, then tackle spending during the fall budget fight.
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As of tonight there isn't. The GOP is seemingly prepared to crash the U.S. economy come Monday when markets open.
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I really haven't been following this at all, but why do you think it'll be mess when markets open on Monday? Do investors and whoever really think the worthless government dufus's won't do what has to be done by the deadline?
------------------------------------- up until now most rational and sane people have assumed that something will get done to raise the debt ceiling before 8/2. Those assumptions flew out the window tonight. Unless a deal is struck by Sunday, Monday is going to be a rough day. Obama was specifically asked what he would tell markets to calm them on Monday and assure them that a deal would get done, he didn't have an answer. There are a great many people in the tea party who think that a default is no big deal and would actually be preferable to raising the debt limit, I fear they've handcuffed the GOP and are walking them, and the nation, over a cliff. I can tell you that we'll lay off about half our workforce in the 2nd week of August if there is a default. Not because we deal directly with the government, but because many of our clients do - and they will all slam the breaks on spending as they did in late 2008. No deal by Sunday and things get very very ugly.
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This is complete nonsense. Both major US political parties have been playing around for years with their wars, allegiance to Israel and their lack of attention to detail on the economics and infra-structure of America. The Democrat AND Republican political Parties need to redress what their responsibilities are to the nation; both are responsible for the past leading to the present situations confronting ALL of us.
It's such an amazing display of indifference towards the people they should be serving.
------------------------------------- What specifically did he say. Sometimes you don't understand what is said or you twist stuff. So tell us specifically what the contradiction was.
He's really worried he wont get his welfare check.
The debt ceiling doesn't need to be raised. Owebama already wasted enough money. Cut spending.
You can't be serious.
You're an old geezer. It is time to deal with debt problem. Why should my minor kids have to deal with this? If not now when? Cut spending. Cut everything unconstitutional. We should start with things that are unconstitutional relating to the interstate commerce clause.
I am calling in Moderator X to ban your nasty ass, Stone. You have played wayyyyy tooo looonng at the throttle of despicable behaviour. You are running off good posters without any serious debate or factual information. You have allowed yourself to succumb to the depths of deplorable despair as Gatlin, yukon, harrowup and all the others representing atrocious manners from LP.
buckeroo your routine is getting old. Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently.
You're a fuckhead and a danger to society.
It is common courtesy to ping those you disparage and frankly you should recognize that Stone has given you tremendous freedoms you routinely debase. Boehner didn't close out the discussions. Obama upped the ante. Cut spending. Cut White House travel and entertainment. Cut White House staff. Make Pelosi pay back her family travel costs... Obama continues to lie with every breath.
was that intended for me? My belief is when you resort to personal attacks, you've lost the argument.
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"Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently." You're a fuckhead and a danger to society. Fred, you have been out of line for a long time now but that remark is about as stupid and deserving of a good dose of whupass as I've ever seen.
Read the below from his news conference and see if you can parse it - then compare with his statements that there was no deal: ----- He says in the same statement that there was an agreement for $400 billion in revenues, and $800 billion in revenues. And he's repeatedly said that there was no agreement.
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Go FUCK yukon@LP, admiral. He needs your help after "We The People" kicked your combined asses today.
As I told Jwpegler, the US Chamber of Commerce strongly disagrees. They must be morons.
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Wimpy pipples ran away, anal retentive that he is.
why didn't you ping Moderator X? Didn't you claim you were Moderator X? Here, let me help you out Admiral... ping to Moderator X.
You don't know anything, goat farmer.
He kicked your ass all over the LP forum today. But you were not alone. He even kicked yukon and gatlin. Some days are worthwhile just reading posts..... hehehehe.
I think it is significant that Obama spoke after 6 pm.m this evening.
I don't think that was a very faire statement, Fred. I hear "harrowup" is an EXPERT with goats as he is out back in the hay fields with the goats most of his daylight time enjoying some of the sexual pleasures of life living on the farm.
I seriously doubt that you will EVER do that. ... that's just my opinion. Bucky posted on TPF that you are afraid of him.
Why in the world do I have a true niggar running around where I post with their nose up my ass reporting to Stone? I didn't hire you. Did "yukon" hire you or did Stone hire your?
Good question ... yea, WHY? Pro-bono ... old Bucky ... Pro-bono!
Oh .. you are just PISSED to the Maximilianus that some good posters like, "We The People" remain on LP to kick your ass. You were a wimp posting to "We The People" today. You look like a child in comparison.
Merely your opinion, Bucky ... but then nobody places any value on your opinion. Besides, your behavior is obnoxious and unappreciated.
He doesn't say there is an agreement for 400 billion in revenues. The 400 billion mentioned was the additional that he says Obama wanted. I think you just got mixed up. That is how I see it.
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#2. To: All (#1)
#3. To: go65 (#2)
An irate Obama said he's summoning Congressional leaders to the WH tomorrow after 11 AM to tell him how they are going to avoid default.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#4. To: go65 (#0)
(Edited)
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#5. To: jwpegler (#4)
During the government shut down in the 1990s I didn't know a single person who was impacted at all.
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#3)
And their response should be very simple:
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson
#7. To: jwpegler (#6)
I do have to admit that Boehner and the House Republicans are holding up better than I thought they would.
#8. To: jwpegler (#4)
Obama has greatly oversold the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling.
During the government shut down in the 1990s I didn't know a single person who was impacted at all. Not one.
#9. To: jwpegler (#6)
Yep. I do have to admit that Boehner and the House Republicans are holding up better than I thought they would.
Contrast this with the castrated GOP cowards in the Senate who propose to give Obama carte blanche to run up $2.5 trillion more in debt in the hopes that the voters will blame him for digging us deeper into a hole.
#10. To: buckeroo (#7)
You act as though there isn't some kind of unofficial set of agreements/policies and procedures that occur between within the same political parties that run between the two houses of Congress.
#11. To: go65 (#10)
The GOP is seemingly prepared to crash the U.S. economy come Monday when markets open.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#12. To: Biff Tannen (#11)
I really haven't been following this at all, but why do you think it'll be mess when markets open on Monday? Do investors and whoever really think the worthless government dufus's won't do what has to be done by the deadline?
#13. To: go65 (#10)
The GOP is seemingly prepared to crash the U.S. economy come Monday when markets open.
#14. To: go65 (#12)
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#15. To: go65 (#9)
Boehner contradicted himself twice in about 12 minutes today - saying that both they were never close to a deal and that they were close to a deal
#16. To: Biff Tannen (#11)
#17. To: go65 (#12)
up until now most rational and sane people have assumed that something will get done to raise the debt ceiling before 8/2.
#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)
#19. To: Fred Mertz (#18)
You can't be serious.
#20. To: A K A Stone, go65, Moderator X (#16)
He's [go65] really worried he wont get his welfare check.
#21. To: buckeroo (#20)
#22. To: A K A Stone (#21)
(Edited)
#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)
Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently.
#24. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#20)
You have allowed yourself to succumb to the depths of deplorable despair as Gatlin, yukon, harrowup and all the others representing atrocious manners from LP.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#16)
He's really worried he wont get his welfare check.
#26. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, buckeroo (#23)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#15)
(Edited)
What specifically did he say. Sometimes you don't understand what is said or you twist stuff. So tell us specifically what the contradiction was.
"We had an agreement on a revenue number -- a revenue number that we thought we could reach based on a flatter tax code with lower rates and a broader base that would produce more economic growth, more employees and more taxpayers, and a tax system that was more efficient in collecting the taxes that were due the federal government, There was an agreement on some additional revenues until [Thursday] when the president demanded $400 billion more, which was going to be nothing more than a tax increase on the American people, and I can tell you that Leader Cantor and I were very disappointed in this call for higher revenue.”
“The extra $400 billion would have had to come from increasing taxes on the very people that we expect to invest in our economy and to create jobs, I gave the president’s proposal serious consideration, but let’s understand something: there was an agreement with the White House at $800 billion in revenue. It’s the president who walked away from his agreement and demanded more money at the last minute.”
#28. To: harrowup (#24)
#29. To: A K A Stone (#17)
The debt ceiling doesn't need to be raised. Owebama already wasted enough money. Cut spending.
#30. To: buckeroo (#28)
#31. To: harrowup, Moderator X (#26)
#32. To: harrowup (#26)
#33. To: harrowup (#30)
#34. To: go65 (#27)
#35. To: Fred Mertz, harrowup (#32)
You [harrowup] don't know anything, goat farmer.
#36. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#21)
Shut the fuck up or I'll ban you permanently.
#37. To: Gatlin (#36)
#38. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#37)
#39. To: Gatlin (#38)
#40. To: buckeroo (#39)
#41. To: go65 (#27)
He says in the same statement that there was an agreement for $400 billion in revenues, and $800 billion in revenues. And he's repeatedly said that there was no agreement.
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