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Title: Boehner breaks off debt talks
Source: WTOPNews
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jul 22, 2011
Author: Mark Knoller
Post Date: 2011-07-22 18:08:18 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 59157
Comments: 113

Speaker Boehner breaking off talks with Pres Obama. House leaders will negotiate with Senate leaders instead.

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#4. To: go65 (#0) (Edited)

Obama has greatly oversold the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling.

August 2nd is going to come and go and very few of us will notice anything different.

During the government shut down in the 1990s I didn't know a single person who was impacted at all. Not one.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-22   18:54:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: jwpegler (#4)

Obama has greatly oversold the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling.

August 2nd is going to come and go and very few of us will notice anything different.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and every financial organization greatly disagrees, I guess they are all morons.

During the government shut down in the 1990s I didn't know a single person who was impacted at all. Not one.

This isn't a government shut-down.

go65  posted on  2011-07-22   20:32:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: go65 (#8)

This isn't a government shut-down.

Of course it is. If they can't borrow more money, "non-essential" portions of the government will have to shut down. Yahoo.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-23   19:24:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: jwpegler (#87)

Of course it is. If they can't borrow more money, "non-essential" portions of the government will have to shut down. Yahoo.

a lot more than non-essential operations will shut down - unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"

go65  posted on  2011-07-23   22:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: go65 (#95)

unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"

He doesn't. You could also add the air traffic controllers, FDA, OSHA, the EPA, National Parks, Post Office, and on and on.

To him the only legitimate function of the Federal Government is to make the rich richer.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-23   22:48:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Skip Intro, go65, capitalist eric (#96) (Edited)

unless you don't consider things like the FAA, border security, food inspections, and so on "essential"

He doesn't. You could also add the air traffic controllers, FDA, OSHA, the EPA, National Parks, Post Office, and on and on.

The government will collect $179 billion in taxes in August. Interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, and military salaries add up to $143 billion. That's $36 left for other things.

Here's how to make that $36 billion larger: 25% of people over 65 have pensions or incomes from annuities or property that classifies them as "wealthy". Remove these freeloaders from Social Security and Medicare and you'd have more more to spend on "essential" things.

Then get rid of all government subsidies for energy, agriculture, NPR, NEA, etc. and crazy "research" programs like studying hookers in China and the size of gay men's penises and you'd have a bunch of additional money.

Then sell the Post Office, Amtrak, and other services that could be better provided by business and you'd have even more money.

It's pretty darn simple to cut enough spending to close the deficit.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-24   14:35:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: jwpegler (#101)

Then sell the Post Office, Amtrak, and other services that could be better provided by business and you'd have even more money.

Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-24   15:21:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: lucysmom (#104)

Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?

Rail travel was a money loser by the 1960s. The Nixon Administration created Amtrak because rail passengers lobbied to keep rail travel from going away.

Nothing much has changed in 30+ years, and I doubt that any private company would want to operate passenger rail today.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-24   15:44:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Skip Intro (#107) (Edited)

Wasn't Amtrak established because the private sector didn't want to bother with that side of the business at all?

Rail travel was a money loser by the 1960s.

Prior to the Great Depression, nearly all intercity travelers in the United States moved by private rail.

After WWII, the government used tax money to build the interstate highway system and compete with private rail. While the interstate highway system was "free" to use, private railroad companies were subject to property and other taxes. Every foot of rail was taxed, and some localities treated them like cash cows, which escalated their operating costs.

Of course, the airline industry (using subsidized government airports) also competed with private rail after WWII.

The government interstate highway put them out of business for short haul routes and the airlines put them out of business for long haul routes.

I laugh at the environmental leftists who want the government to favor rail over cars, when it was the government that destroyed rail by subsidizing roads.

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