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Title: Repeal Question On Ohio's Union Law Makes November Ballot
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... /07/18/national/a121608D24.DTL
Published: Jul 21, 2011
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2011-07-21 13:06:06 by Brian S
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Comments: 31

(07-21) 09:18 PDT Columbus, Ohio (AP) --

Ohio voters will have the chance this November to decide whether the state's contentious new collective bargaining law should be repealed.

The state's elections chief said Thursday that opponents had gathered enough valid signatures to put the question before voters. The measure is now suspended from taking effect until voters have their say.

The law signed by Ohio Gov. John Kasich in late March bans public employee strikes and restricts collective bargaining rights for more than 350,000 teachers, police officers and other public workers. While unions can continue to negotiate wages, they cannot bargain on health care, sick time or pension benefits.

The group We Are Ohio delivered more than 1.3 million signatures to Secretary of State Jon Husted, though the opponents needed roughly 231,000 valid signatures to get the question on the ballot.

The measure was approved by the Republican-controlled state Legislature in March amid shouts and jeers from protesters in each chamber. But the overall response by protesters in the Rust Belt state, despite its long union tradition among steel and auto workers, paled in comparison to Wisconsin, where protests topped more than 70,000 people. Ohio's largest Statehouse demonstrations on the measure drew about 8,500 people.

That difference has been attributed to Madison's labor legacy and the proximity of the populous University of Wisconsin campus to the state capital.

The fallout from each state's bitter fights over collective bargaining restrictions have also differed.

Unlike in Wisconsin, Ohio voters cannot recall state lawmakers. Instead, opponents of the Ohio law are pushing for its repeal through a referendum.

Nine state senators — six Republicans and three Democrats — are facing recall elections in Wisconsin, where GOP Gov. Scott Walker's collective bargaining law eventually survived a court challenge and took effect.

The We Are Ohio campaign says 10,000 volunteers and some paid workers circulated petitions to get the referendum before voters. The coalition of labor groups and others contends the law is an unfair attack on workers.

Kasich, a first-term governor, and his GOP colleagues argue the legislation will help city officials, school superintendents and others better control their costs at a time when they, too, are feeling budget woes.

Groups on both sides of the debate have been raising money in anticipation of the tough fight over the Ohio law in November.

Kasich has said he plans to play a visible role in defending the law. So far, he has directed his supporters to a website for Building a Better Ohio, a group that wants to keep the new law in place.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

Of course it got on the ballot because there are enough reactionary unionists in Ohio to do so.

The big question is whether there are enough people with suicidal tendencies in Ohio to pass it.

I will go out on a limb and say no.


To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-21   16:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: jwpegler (#1)

Of course it got on the ballot because there are enough reactionary unionists in Ohio to do so.

The big question is whether there are enough people with suicidal tendencies in Ohio to pass it.

I will go out on a limb and say no.

So far I haven't heard a single person criticize Kasich for what he did, so I say NO too..... (even though a CNN poll shows everybody here hates him now, LOL.....)

In fact the unemployment rate has been steadily going down since Kasich got elected.... so the only people who should be pissed off about that are the "PERMANENT" Welfare babies......

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-21   16:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: CZ82 (#2) (Edited)

So far I haven't heard a single person criticize Kasich for what he did, so I say NO too

Over the last couple of decades, many kids who graduated college in Ohio didn't stay in Ohio. They go somewhere else to start businesses and build their careers.

Kasich moved Ohio's business climate rating up by 11 positions over night. It will take time for that to work it's way through the environment, but he has done a magnificent job so far.

The reactionaries won't win this battle. In the unlikely event that they do, businesses will continue to flee the great state of Ohio and the population will continue to suffer.


To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-21   18:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#3)

The reactionaries won't win this battle. In the unlikely event that they do, businesses will continue to flee the great state of Ohio and the population will continue to suffer.

If the Dems get their way there will only be about 12-15 states that businesses will want to base themselves and people who want to work will live... The rest will look like a scene from that Kurt Russell movie "Escape from New York"..... Of course then again some of them already do.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-21   18:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: CZ82 (#4) (Edited)

The Dems are idiots.

The bigger idiots are the spineless GOP "leaders" who are incapable of getting on TV and explaining the situation we are in and why it needs to change.

According to the mainstream media, Obama has now become the #1 deficit hawk in the country. Given his rhetoric the GOP's incoherent response, it's easy to see why people think this.

A liar has more credibility than a bunch of cowards. This demonstrates that Americans are hungry for leadership. The GOP is incapable of supplying it.


To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-21   18:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: jwpegler (#5)

The bigger idiots are the spineless GOP "leaders" who are incapable of getting on TV and explaining the situation we are in and why it needs to change.

But how many of the TV stations available to the majority of citizens in the US would show what they said??????? Not too many I'd bet....

And yes you do have a bunch of RINOS that need to go and that will take a few more elections to accomplish, if the US citizens put their minds to it....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-21   18:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: CZ82, capitalist eric, badeye, bad eye (#6)

But how many of the TV stations available to the majority of citizens in the US would show what they said???????

Fox News for one. But John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are incapable of explaining to the Fox News audience why we're in trouble and how to fix it.

Rand Paul, Jim DeMint, Connie Mack and a few others can explain it. But the GOP "leadership" is incapable of doing so.

Apparently, there is a big meeting of the entire GOP caucus tomorrow at 9am in the morning where the GOP "leadership" will tell them about a grand comprise that they agreed to. There will be arm twisting, cajoling, and outright threats to get people to fall in line.

Obama has outmaneuvered them once again.

The entire GOP "leadership" needs to be booted from office, starting with Boehner in 2012 and McConnell in 2014.


To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-21   18:46:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: jwpegler (#7)

Sorry, I think that up to this post Boehner is doing a great job. Did you hear him on Limbaugh yesterday?

He flat out debunked the DNC floated rumor of a deal, and he reinterated he's never voted for a tax increase, and NEVER WILL.

While I understand political frustration, jw...this jihad you want against the GOP's 'entire leadership' is madness, and would only increase Owe-bama's exceedingly slight reelection chances in my view.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-22   9:52:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye (#8)

he reinterated he's never voted for a tax increase, and NEVER WILL

I'll bet you a beer that you are wrong.


To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-22   12:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: CZ82 (#2)

... so the only people who should be pissed off about that are the "PERMANENT" Welfare babies......

Why would permanent welfare babies care one way or another what rights unions have?

Are you carrying water for your masters in the class war CZ?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-22   12:30:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Badeye (#8)

Sorry, I think that up to this post Boehner is doing a great job. Did you hear him on Limbaugh yesterday?

Would that be the same Limbaugh that decided "debt doesn't matter" when Bush promised to cut taxes?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-22   12:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jwpegler (#9)

I'll bet you a beer that you are wrong.

Boehner's the same guy who touted $30 billion in "historic" spending cuts that didn't actually cut spending, right?

Tagline for sale - inquire within

go65  posted on  2011-07-22   12:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#10)

... so the only people who should be pissed off about that are the "PERMANENT" Welfare babies...... Why would permanent welfare babies care one way or another what rights unions have?

Are you carrying water for your masters in the class war CZ?

I was talking about the unemployment rate going down, not union rights.... (pissing off the Welfare babies).... Besides that there aren't that many union people in Ohio anymore, their masters have seen to that by phucking them in their contracts...... what 10-12% now...... used to be double that.....

I let the bedwetters carry the class warfare water for their masters, me I know who signs my paycheck.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-22   18:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CZ82 (#13)

I let the bedwetters carry the class warfare water for their masters, me I know who signs my paycheck.....

Ahhh - so you're for sale.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-22   21:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lucysmom (#11)

Would that be the same Limbaugh that decided "debt doesn't matter" when Bush promised to cut taxes?

You act as if the government owns the labor of the people. That's nuts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-22   22:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

You act as if the government owns the labor of the people. That's nuts.

No more than any other entity that provides a service.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-23   1:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lucysmom (#14)

Ahhh - so you're for sale.

When it comes to working to pay the bills for my family, yes.. aren't we all.... If you have the skills and know how to market yourself then you can earn top dollar, that's the way it is in a free market.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-23   7:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CZ82 (#17)

When it comes to working to pay the bills for my family, yes.. aren't we all....

Taxes are the bill we get from government for services rendered.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-23   10:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#18)

Taxes are the bill we get from government for services rendered.

And we aren't getting shit for our tax money......

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-23   14:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: CZ82 (#19)

And we aren't getting shit for our tax money......

www.youtube.com/watch?fea...lpage&v=zKdfo68FSh0#t=86s

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-23   18:46:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#20)

And we aren't getting shit for our tax money......

www.youtube.com/watch?fea...lpage&v=zKdfo68FSh0#t=86s

So was that video only supposed to be 3 seconds long????

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-24   7:10:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: CZ82 (#21)

So was that video only supposed to be 3 seconds long????

?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-24   8:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lucysmom (#22)

So was that video only supposed to be 3 seconds long???? ?

That link you sent only played for 3 seconds, was it supposed to be longer???

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-24   8:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: CZ82 (#23)

That link you sent only played for 3 seconds, was it supposed to be longer???

The video is 1 minute, 27 seconds. The link works fine for me.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-24   9:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#24)

3 seconds here too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-07-24   10:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#25)

3 seconds here too.

Still get the long version on this end by clicking on the link.

try this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zKdfo68FSh0#t=86s

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-24   10:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#25)

3 seconds here too.

After you play it the first time, if you run the button back to the beginnng the whole video will play.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-24   10:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mininggold, A K A Stone, CZ82 (#27)

After you play it the first time, if you run the button back to the beginnng the whole video will play.

Weird. I wonder why it works as it should for me?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-24   13:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysmom (#28)

After you play it the first time, if you run the button back to the beginnng the whole video will play. Weird. I wonder why it works as it should for me?

I've never had a problem with a YouTube video before.......

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-24   13:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#11)

Sorry, I think that up to this post Boehner is doing a great job.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-25   13:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: jwpegler (#9)

he reinterated he's never voted for a tax increase, and NEVER WILL I'll bet you a beer that you are wrong.

I'll take that bet.

Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-25   13:47:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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