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Title: “God, Gold, and Guns”: Right-Wing Whackjobs, Shameless Hucksters, and Economic Fraud
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Published: Jul 28, 2010
Author: Kevin T. Keith
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“God, Gold, and Guns”: Right-Wing Whackjobs, Shameless Hucksters, and Economic Fraud July 28, 2010 by Kevin T. Keith It’s hard to keep track of the craziness on the right – birtherism, creationism, secessionism, supply- sideism, the Gold-Fringed Flag conspiracy . . . the range of delusions they gin up to obsess over and rile each other up about is so broad and ever-changing that you can’t keep it straight. But weird economic fads, often fraudulent, are part and parcel among it all. I don’t mean just large-scale weirdness, like voodoo economics and the constant yammering about “socialism”. Here I’m talking about retail-level con games – the stupid fads and frauds that right- wingers perpetrate at the individual level. There’s the one about how you can declare yourself a “sovereign person” and avoid paying all taxes. There’s the one about how the US government was secretly replaced by a “corporation“, and thus none of the laws of the US are valid and you can get out of obeying them by simply stating this fact in court. (There’s an even odder one about how all laws are invalid because they are made by lawyers, and lawyers are invalid because they have “Esquire” after their names, and esquires are invalid because the Constitution prohibits titles of nobility. I’m not making this up.) There are the ones about how you can establish your own currency or issue liens against other people’s property because you are your own government and the real government is illegitimate. Naturally, instructions on how to do all these things are available for a hefty fee (instructions on what to do after you go to jail for this are generally not available). What is common to all this nonsense is its genesis in right-wing paranoia and delusion. The “sovereign person” and fake-government scams are nothing more than variations on the anti-”big-government” resentment that fuels so much of the right wing – they’re basically the Atlas Shrugged fantasy revised as a tax scam. The bizarre theories about the Constitution and the flag have much to do with the whole anti-civilization shtick the wingers have got going – the same things (and in many cases the same people) that show up in militia/secessionist movements and Golden Age nostalgia (we used to have a legitimate government, but FDR or Abraham Lincoln secretly did away with it and everything went to hell, plus those kids won’t ever get off our lawn). The fact that they can be repackaged as tax avoidance or get-rich-quick schemes is just another attraction, and another opportunity for the scammers to prey on the delusions of even-more-gullible wingers. There’s an old joke about the small island where everyone made a living taking in each other’s laundry. The right wing makes money by scamming other right wingers, first by deluding them with lies predicated upon their underlying fears and confusions, then by telling them they have to pay for security against those manufactured fears, and ripping them off when they do so. The Big Picture lines out an especially obnoxious example: Glenn Beck is shilling for an abusive precious-metals “investment” company that pays for ads on his shows, during which he tells his gullible and stupid fans there will be an economic meltdown and they should invest in gold to survive it. The company sells antique French gold coins as a hedge against inflation or economic disruption, without informing buyers of the difference between collectible coins – which sell for more than the value of their precious metal alone, because of their value to collectors – and plain bullion coins, which sell for only a small amount more than the value of their gold or silver by itself. Buying bullion can be a reasonable way of storing value if you’re the sort of person who thinks that (a) the economy is going to hell, and (b) gold will always be in demand (i.e., the post-crash economy is going to be populated largely by people who also read Ayn Rand, or just like shiny trinkets). But buying collectible coins as a store of value is immensely stupid, because the excess price, above their shiny-trinket value, will only be paid by other coin collectors, who are likely to be the first ones eaten by the Randian ubermenschen in a post- apocalypse cannibalistic meltdown. Even worse than this, the company Beck is fronting for marks these coins up by about $150 each above their current selling price on the legitimate market, without ever informing the customer, virtually guaranteeing a huge loss on the purchase while offering deliberately misleading promises of financial security. As Big Picture’s helpful graphic makes it clear: Customer buys 20 Franc French Roosters [coins] for $402 each. Customer loses 42% of their investment instantly. The company is under investigation by local authorities in California, and has been the subject of a Congressional investigation: Goldline International has been in business since 1960, but has gained national prominence recently by sponsoring conservative talk show hosts. These paid spokespeople have happily agreed to promote Goldline by playing off the fear of inflation, to encourage people to purchase gold as an investment that will protect them from an out of control government. In reality Goldline is a company that uses conservative rhetoric, high pressure sales tactics and tall tales about the future of gold to sell over priced coins that can be bought somewhere else for cheaper. . . . Goldline Grossly Overcharges For Their Coins The average Goldline mark-up was 90% above the melt value of the coin. The largestmarkup seen on a coin was 208% above the melt value. The average Goldline markup in comparison to the best price we could locate on competitors websites was 47%, going as high as 102% on one of the coins they offered. Goldline Falsely Claims To Offer “Good” Investments By selling gold at twice the melt value, the price of gold would need to double for consumers to break even on their “investment.” Goldline Salespeople Misrepresent Their Ability To Give “Investment Advice” Sales people imply that they are “Investment Advisors” or “Financial Advisers” by offering investment advice, which insinuates that they have some sort of fiduciary responsibility to get you the most return on your investment. However, since they are not licensed “Investment Advisors” (the industry term), they have no such responsibility. . . . Goldline Formed An Unholy Alliance with Conservative Pundits to Drive a False Narrative On numerous occasions, Glenn Beck has dedicated entire segments of his program to explaining why the U.S. money supply is destined for hyperinflation with Barack Obama as president. He will often promote the purchase of gold as the only safe investment alternative for consumers who want to safeguard their livelihoods. When the show then cuts to commercial break, viewers are treated to an advertisement from Goldline. . . . Conservative Pundits Profit on Peoples Fear Fred Thompson, Dennis Miller, Mark Levin, Laura Ingraham, Lars Larson, Michael Smerconish, Monica Crowley and Mike Huckabee are all paid spokespeople for Goldline. Glenn Beck was also at one point a paid spokesperson but is no longer because it violated Fox news rules. Goldline does however sponsor his program and he commonly encourages his viewers to purchase gold, without mentioning that Goldline is a sponsor of his show The message that these commentators push is that government is out of control and unsafe, inflation will continue to devalue the dollar and that as an investor you should protect yourself by stock piling gold coins. Glenn Beck: “Tonight, are we facing the end of the almighty dollar?… So I’m sure we can all assume that the dollar is here to stay, and everything is just peachy. But in the offchance that, maybe, somebody in the Middle East wouldn’t tell us exactly the truth, you know, that they’re not exactly 100 percent reliable, maybe we should discover what it means for our dollar and our country if it’s no longer pegged to oil. What does that mean for you? … Any way to protect yourself? Gold”. (Source: The Glenn Beck Show 10/7/2009) “We could be facing recession, depression or collapse. Nothing Left! … I like to call it the three G system here for this, its God, Gold and Guns.” (Source: The Glenn Beck Show 11/23/2009) “Explain, if I’m right, the policy that the Government has is something that, what is it, the WS2 or something like that policy which is — what is it, Stu? BW2, which is Bretton Woods 2 which is basically the world needs us; we can borrow; it doesn’t matter how much we’ll borrow because the world will never disconnect from the world’s consumers… Best thing we can do is buy the gold, right?” (Source: The Glenn Beck Program 4/9/2008) “There are those in power that […] want to destroy the dollar or … the dollar is on life support and they’d like it to stay there. It’s true. Not much that you and I can do about it. Well, there are a few things. You can prepare yourself, that’s what’s next year is a really all about on our program. Preparing yourself and part of that is – or could be – protecting yourself with gold. If you have the money to buy it, protect yourself from an out of control government with gold.” (Source: The Glenn Beck Program 12/3/09) “I think you’re nuts. When the system eventually collapses, and the government comes with guns and confiscates, you know, everything in your home and all your possessions, and then you fight off the raving mad cannibalistic crowds* that Ted Turner talked about, don’t come crying to me. I told you: get gold.” (Source: Politico ) “Just the other night I was rereading Atlas Shrugged*, and in it one of the characters is talking about the value of money and how paper dollars really hold no value whatsoever. They represent your work. The only thing of real value is gold. What you’ve backed that dollar up with. Well, we no longer back our dollars up with gold. If things get dicey, we’re on a banking crisis now, the declining value of the dollar, what will hold its value? Gold. I want you to call 866-GOLDLINE and find out about buying gold. You can buy it as an investment. I buy it really as insurance because it’s the one thing that will have value forever.” (Source: Goldline radio ad) Mike Huckabee: “I’ll bet you’re concerned about the economy and the depreciation of the dollar just like me. That’s why people are diversifying their portfolio with gold, as a way to protect against a falling dollar and future inflation. Goldline has been helping people acquiring gold for 50 years. The people at Goldline will explain just how easy it is for you to buy gold that’s delivered directly to you.” (Source: Goldline radio ad) Dennis Miller: “Hey folks in a perfect world we could print all our own money, buy ridiculous amounts of stuff and live happily ever after. Well life ain’t a fairy tale my friends. Look at the economy, they’re spending more than Paris Hilton on a bad day and it doesn’t get us a tiny dog and a pink purse either. It leads to a lower dollar. What can we do to diversify our portfolio and protect against that falling dollar? Buy gold. Gold prices have tripled in value and they are up more than 40% in the past 2 years. I trust Goldline.” (Source: Goldline radio ad) Laura Ingraham: “With the stock market where it is, volatile, moving up one day, down the next, the trillion dollar budget deficit. And look what’s happening in the banking industry, the government continuing to print money it looks like. It’s important to remember there’s only a finite amount of gold. It makes sense in these types of economic times to seek a safe harbour. And that is gold. I can’t tell you whether gold is going to get up or down. I can tell you however that gold makes sense as part of any portfolio. It serves as a great ballast against inflation.” (Source: Goldline radio ad) Fred Thompson: “Our country is experiencing the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Stocks and real estate have lost much of their value and government is spending trillions of dollars in a desperate attempt to bail us out. In these tough times I believe you should own gold. Gold offers diversification so all your eggs aren’t all in one basket. And gold is one of the few investments that is going up every year since 2001. My choice for gold is Goldline.” (Source: Goldline radio ad) So it’s not just Beck – there’s an entire stable of right-wing hacks openly shilling for this rip-off company, on the basis of winger fears of economic catastrophe that they deliberately stoke in order to make sales. Two of these are former GOP presidential candidates – one a former governor and one a former Senator. Huckabee is still taken seriously as a candidate in 2012! In one way or another, they all make their names through oppressive moral judgmentalism, while promoting deceptive and blatantly dishonest “investment” schemes. (And note Fox News’s “ethics” – you can’t be a paid spokesperson for a for-profit company, but you can promote their products by name on your show and charge them for advertising.) There is simply no compunction about playing on your own followers’ ideological insecurities in order to rip them off, while positioning yourself as leader and moral arbiter for them and everyone else. Of course, none of this would be possible if the wingers, as a group, weren’t so goddam stupid. I, for instance, easily avoid buying overpriced, useless gold coins to protect myself against financial losses while being cannibalized by people with more guns and Ayn Rand novels than me during the coming liberdorkalypse, because I’m not panicked into thinking that cannibalism, or adolescent hero-fantasy survivalism, are likely in my future. (Among other things, I remember that we faced persistent, grueling unemployment, with much less in the way of social support and a less-productive economic base, during the Great Depression, and we successfully managed the situation by electing liberals to office, not harvesting them as a food source. This knowledge leaves me much more sanguine about current events than, obviously, Glenn Beck is.) I am not driven to the edge of madness by my allegiance to a dimly-grasped economic principle that is essentially equivalent to wampum, nor do I regard my ability to almost remember two initials of a more sophisticated system as a refutation of it. And I am not plagued by such a thoroughgoing inability to come to terms with modernity that I literally reject civilization itself as a lifestyle option – thus I have no need to worry about the consequences of living in the anarchically violent state of nature, plus precious metals exchanges, that would result if my addled beliefs about the world actually became real, nor do I have to pin my hopes for survival in MadMaxistan on finding a French coin collector who will give me the equivalent of 150% of my collection’s value in the form of fruits and jerky before either of us get cannibalized. Because I’m not a fucking idiot, and therefore not a conservative, and therefore don’t take advice on investment or survival from Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, or Mike Huckabee. Even so, I feel – a little – for the morons who do listen to these people. Being angry, resentful, and fearful is a harsh way to live, and it has harsh consequences. Usually the wingers are busily screwing up everyone else’s life. The fact that they are now doing so to each other is a welcome respite, but still not a very nice way to treat people. Which is all too characterisitic of the right wing, and all too familiar. * I honestly did not read these quotes before writing this post. This guy is more crazy than you can make up.
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And Thank You, BE. I've been looking for this: "STORM AND CRISIS: THE INQUIRY; WHITE HOUSE KNEW OF LEVEE'S FAILURE ON NIGHT OF STORM Published: February 10, 2006 * Sign In to E-Mail * Print * Single-Page CORRECTION APPENDED (Page 3 of 3) Citing restrictions placed on him by his lawyers, Mr. Brown declined to tell House investigators during testimony if he had actually made that call. White House aides have urged administration officials not to discuss any conversations with the president or his top advisors and declined to release e-mail messages sent among Mr. Bush's senior advisors. But investigators have found the e-mail message referring to Mr. Bahamonde's helicopter survey that was sent to John F. Wood, chief of staff to Secretary Chertoff at 9:27 p.m. They have also found a summary of Mr. Bahamonde's observations that was issued at 10:30 p.m. and an 11:05 p.m. e-mail message to Michael Jackson, the deputy secretary of homeland security. Each message describes in detail the extensive flooding that was taking place in New Orleans after the levee collapse. Given this chain of events, investigators have repeatedly questioned why Mr. Bush and Mr. Chertoff stated in the days after the storm that the levee break did not happen until Tuesday, as they made an effort to explain why they initially thought the storm had passed without the catastrophe that some had feared. ..."
www.google.com/search?q=D...official&client=firefox-a And This has been the FEMA Template: There Will be NO Evacuation Ever again in the US. All Victims will be Quarantined in Place....8D "''The hurricane started to depart the area on Monday, and then Tuesday morning the levee broke and the water started to flood into New Orleans,'' Mr. Chertoff said on CBS's ''Face the Nation'' on Sunday, Sept. 4, the weekend after the hurricane hit. Mr. Chertoff and White House officials have said that they were referring to official confirmation that the levee had broken, which they say they received Tuesday morning from the Army Corps of Engineers. They also say there were conflicting reports all day Monday about whether a breach had occurred and noted that they were not alone in failing to recognize the growing catastrophe. Mr. Duffy, the White House spokesman, said it would not have made much difference even if the White House had realized the significance of the midnight report. ''Like it or not, you cannot fix a levee overnight, or in an hour, or even six hours,'' he said. "
The ONE fucking time I agree with Lieberman. God Help me.....LMFAO 8D "But Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine and chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, said it was obvious to her in retrospect that Mr. Chertoff, perhaps in deference to Mr. Brown's authority, was not paying close enough attention to the events in New Orleans and that the federal response to the disaster may have been slowed as a result. ''Secretary Chertoff was too disengaged from the process,'' Ms. Collins said in an interview. Compounding the problem, once Mr. Chertoff learned of the levee break on Tuesday, he could not reach Mr. Brown, his top emergency response official, for an entire day because Mr. Brown was on helicopter tours of the damage. Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, the ranking Democrat on the homeland security committee, said the government confusion reminded him of the period surrounding the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001." And the reason it strikes Lieberman is because we had the ECACT same cast of characters in place....8D
Photos: Investigators have found evidence that federal officials at the White House and elsewhere learned of the levee break in New Orleans earlier than was first suggested. (Photo by Vincent Laforet/The New York Times)(pg. A16); A photo taken by a federal emergency official the day Hurricane Katrina arrived showed the broken 17th Street Canal levee in New Orleans. (Photo by Marty Bahamonde/FEMA)(pg. A1) Chart: ''An Early Alarm From New Orleans'' Reports of a levee breach from Marty Bahamonde, a FEMA official, reached the Homeland Security Department and the White House on Monday, Aug. 29, the day the storm hit. STILL can't find that report on Jackson's Barracks.... IT's there somewhere. 9:00 AM Mon Aug 29.....8D
See, This why Murdoch's DisInfo and Silence is so Evil: People continue to act on UnReality, even as the Top 50 000 take advantage to acquire more Power. Thank god(whoever ;}) that the Universe is Reality is Altruistic. In other words, the Truth will Out....8D Hurricane Katrina approaches the Gulf Coast, August 28, 2005 img] img] "Hurricane Katrina approaches the Gulf Coast, August 28, 2005 The aftermath of Katrina is something quite different, however, and I am at a loss to find much in this devastating tragedy that has brought inspirational words and phrases to my inner notepad. At this writing I can only think of catastrophe, disorganization, desperation, filth, abomination, and failure. Haunting me also from the last week are phrases such as "total breakdown," "lack of compassion," "living in squalor," and "treated like animals." More fitting than anything, when help did not arrive in a timely fashion: inconceivable, "an inexcusable abandonment." I thought, then dreamt, of Dante's Inferno. Together, we watched as our fellow citizens of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast area suffered a neglect so outrageous, so public, so transparent, and so blatant that not one person in the massive community that watched the international broadcasts can ever forget what they heard and saw, and no censorship, spin, or propaganda could be great or clever enough to erase any future disconnect between what we witnessed and what will be said about it later.
And the PIC making a liar out of bush43: img]
Katrina, second only to bush43's launch of the now $6 Trillion War of Terror. History will/is not be/ing kind....8D "On Sunday, Sept. 4, Tim Russert of NBC's "Meet the Press" asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to explain President Bush's statement that the government couldn't have anticipated breaches in levees in New Orleans. Mr. Chertoff talked about news coverage. "Well, I think if you look at what actually happened, I remember on Tuesday morning picking up newspapers, and I saw headlines, 'New Orleans Dodged The Bullet,' " he said. "Because if you recall, the storm moved to the east and then continued on and appeared to pass with considerable damage but nothing worse. It was on Tuesday that the levee -- may have been overnight Monday to Tuesday -- that the levee started to break." But now it is known that major levee breaks occurred much earlier than that, starting in the morning of Monday, Aug. 29, the day Hurricane Katrina made landfall. Even as the storm veered off and many observers felt a sense of relief, the Industrial Canal levee in eastern New Orleans was giving way, and a rush of water swiftly submerged much of the Lower Ninth Ward and areas nearby, trapping thousands of people on rooftops and in attics. The 17th Street Canal levee also was breached early Monday, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers now believes, resulting in a slower-rising flood over a larger area.
Monday, August 29 7AM CDT — KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN] 7:30 AM CDT — BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOTIFIED OF THE LEVEE BREACH: The administration finds out that a levee in New Orleans was breached. On this day, 28 “government agencies, from local Louisiana parishes to the White House, [reported that] that New Orleans levees” were breached. [AP] 8AM CDT — MAYOR NAGIN REPORTS THAT WATER IS FLOWING OVER LEVEE: “I’ve gotten reports this morning that there is already water coming over some of the levee systems. In the lower ninth ward, we’ve had one of our pumping stations to stop operating, so we will have significant flooding, it is just a matter of how much.” [NBC's "Today Show"] 11:13 AM CDT – WHITE HOUSE CIRCULATES INTERNAL MEMO ABOUT LEVEE BREACH: “Flooding is significant throughout the region and a levee in New Orleans has reportedly been breached sending 6-8 feet of water throughout the 9th ward area of the city.” [AP] thinkprogress.org/report/katrina-timeline/ The reason for the Bad info, confusion, on the part of matching photos with breaches, is, in no small part, due to the DisInfo coming out of the WH, Army Corps, FEMA, the AM of the 29th. "The administration finds out that a levee in New Orleans was breached..."
White House officials have confirmed to Congressional investigators that the report of the levee break arrived there at midnight, and Trent Duffy, the White House spokesman, acknowledged as much in an interview this week, though he said it was surrounded with conflicting reports. But the alert did not seem to register. Even the next morning, President Bush, on vacation in Texas, was feeling relieved that New Orleans had "dodged the bullet," he later recalled. Mr. Chertoff, similarly confident, flew Tuesday to Atlanta for a briefing on avian flu. With power out from the high winds and movement limited, even news reporters in New Orleans remained unaware of the full extent of the levee breaches until Tuesday. [...] On Friday, Mr. Brown, the former FEMA director, is scheduled to testify before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. He is expected to confirm that he notified the White House on that Monday, the day the hurricane hit, that the levee had given way, the city was flooding and his crews were overwhelmed. "There is no question in my mind that at the highest levels of the White House they understood how grave the situation was," Mr. Brown said in the interview. [Emphasis added]" Is there anything they haven't lied about? Anything at all?
Typical dumbass liberal. Oblivious to fact. You actually saw that 'Dewey beats Truman' headline when it first appeared?
Nope. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Nope. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. ;} "Comparing the chaos after the tsunami to the chaos in New Orleans, the Sri Lankan writer commented that it was clear which part of the world was civilized. Offer after offer after offer of emergency relief help was turned away, and critically needed first-responders were impeded, even stopped by bureaucracy and hierarchy and chains of command. When the chief isn't leading his subordinates and serving the people, when those lower in rank are waiting for orders that never come, when the most powerful are quick to disenfranchise and blame, even shoot with intent-to-kill innocent victims themselves--some of whom were merely trying to survive--what kind of civilization is that? We must think very, very hard about this question, as next time it may be our town or our area that is devastated by some catastrophic event."
It is the civilization envisioned by those of libertarian/conservative bent.
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
A plutarchy?
Isn't wealth the mark of those fit to rule?
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
Don't know why I didn't do this earlier. This puts the lie to the Federal/White House Response Myth: " * Apply Online * Learn More Guard Basics What is the National Guard's mission? Connect with the Guard o Facebook o Youtube o Myspace o Twitter * Login * * Jobs and Careers Money Requirements Training Education Become an Officer Medical Careers * Jackson Barracks Reopen After Katrina Jackson Barracks Finally Open After Katrina November 8, 2010 By SPC Tarell J. Bilbo New Orleans, LA, United States Share The Louisiana National Guard (LANG) celebrated the official rededication of Jackson Barracks in New Orleans during a ceremony Nov. 5, 2010. The event marked the official return of the headquarters to the post since the damage it received in 2005. Hurricane Katrina brought severe flooding and wind damage throughout the city of New Orleans. St. Bernard Parish and the Lower Ninth Ward, including Jackson Barracks, were hit particularly hard. All the buildings at Jackson Barracks were destroyed or damaged by storm-induced flooding, with water depths ranging from 3 feet at the levee to almost 18 feet at the northernmost part of the Barracks." Why? maps.google.com/maps?oe=U...pn=0.067505,0.108318&z=13 Jackson's Barracks is the LA Nat Guard HQ. Less than 2 miles from the flooding Ninth Ward and the Industrial Canal/MRGO/'Barge'. They knew and told within minutes of the break....8D
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Which was contained in the front page story of the NYT, dumbass. Sheesh.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
bush: "I, myself, thought we had dodged a bullet" And thanx for bringin' that up again...LMFAO http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=U...pn=0.067505,0.108318&z=13 http://www.nationalguard.com/new...acks-reopen-after-katrina Jackson Barracks Finally Open After Katrina November 8, 2010 By SPC Tarell J. Bilbo New Orleans, LA, United States Share The Louisiana National Guard (LANG) celebrated the official rededication of Jackson Barracks in New Orleans during a ceremony Nov. 5, 2010. The event marked the official return of the headquarters to the post since the damage it received in 2005. Hurricane Katrina brought severe flooding and wind damage throughout the city of New Orleans. St. Bernard Parish and the Lower Ninth Ward, including Jackson Barracks, were hit particularly hard. All the buildings at Jackson Barracks were destroyed or damaged by storm-induced flooding, with water depths ranging from 3 feet at the levee to almost 18 feet at the northernmost part of the Barracks. That's LA NatGuard HQ. Less than 2 miles from the Industrial Canal/MRGO levee collapse. The WH knew w/in minutes.
The press managed to broadcast from situations in critical areas about which federal officials claimed to be unaware, astonishingly, a full five days into the disaster. One such location was the New Orleans Superdome, which contained some 30,000 increasingly desperate and dying people. Everyone watching broadcast news knew the night before the storm hit that those people were there. Journalists begged the government to help, but as late as Saturday officials claimed they did not know about them.
I have heard on this very site, it claimed, that only liberals read the NYT. I rarely read it.
I would like to remind you if you don't know that it was independent LEFTISTS that came up with the idea of private enterprise currencies which this article seems to attack (Ithica HOURS, Berkley BRED, BerkShares, Detroit Cheers, Potomics and the like come to mind here). However this is one idea from the left that I think is GOOD. My own current views on the economy and money are this. 1. The "Right" should get OFF this Glenn DRECK gold and silver kick and also adopt this community currency model for competing with the FARO RESERVE BANK. (There is simply not enough gold and silver available for a gold and silver COIN standard any more.) 2. ALL confiscatory taxes should be abolished (property, sales, income, etc) and the GNP taxed DIRECTLY by the issuence of UNITED STATES NOTES (aka old style UNION GREERNBACKS) which are basically tax recepts with legal tender status to replace the debt/usury based FARO RESERVE NOTES. (Once again the best ideas for replacing gold and silver and for taxation came from the NINETEENTH CENTURY, NOT the "Progressive" twentieth century).
Sheesh. OK. Been Nice. To No Avail. You stupid inbred muther fucker. 8D Someone Evil in the White House intercepted the call from US Army Jackson Barracks at St Claude Industrial Canal 7:30 to 8:15 AM Aug 29 2005. 8:15 to 9:00 at the latest. Fuck you and your Non sourced NYT Article which you refuse to place URL on, but keep 'quoting from'. Stupid fuck...8D "Fox's omission closely follows the Bush administration's reported strategy of shifting blame to Louisiana state officials. The "Fox Facts" timeline also deceptively stated that on August 30, "3 NEW ORLEANS LEVEES BROKE & WATER POUR POURED INTO CITY" without noting that two levees -- including the critical 17th Street Canal levee -- actually broke on the morning of August 29, resulting in massive flooding. As The Wall Street Journal reported (subscription required) on September 12, "The 17th Street Canal levee ... was breached early Monday [August 29], the U.S. Army Corps of ..." "SSG Hill was evacuated from Jackson Barracks by Blackhawk when waters from the levee breeches swamped the vehicles and material that had staged in the area for hurricane recovery." WHITE HOUSE fuckers Knew by 9:00 AM Mon Aug 29 2005 Fed Mis Info to NEWS Organizations. "Fox's omission closely follows the Bush administration's reported strategy of shifting blame to Louisiana state officials. The "Fox Facts" timeline also deceptively stated that on August 30, "3 NEW ORLEANS LEVEES BROKE & WATER POUR POURED INTO CITY" without noting that two levees -- including the critical 17th Street Canal levee -- actually broke on the morning of August 29, resulting in massive flooding. As The Wall Street Journal reported (subscription required) on September 12, "The 17th Street Canal levee ... was breached early Monday [August 29], the U.S. Army Corps of..." # # Louisiana Air National Guard 122nd Bomb Squadron Restoration Group www.122nd.com/ - CachedSimilar Jun 29, 2007 – Hurricanes Katrina and Rita devastated Jackson Barracks and the Jackson Barracks Military Museum. The area remained under brackish salt ... Keep comin', BE. You can replace Yukon as my new demonstration....;}
Serious....8D bump
The evils of the 19th century led to the better progressive ideas of the 20th century. People who advocate a return to the 19th century should die.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
""SSG Hill was evacuated from Jackson Barracks by Blackhawk when waters from the levee breeches swamped the vehicles and material that had staged in the area for hurricane recovery." That's the $$$ quote. When SSG Hill was evaced, has been Covered Up. It couldn't have been later than Noon Aug 29, 2005.
A biographer of Murdoch, Michael Wolff, claimed that the tycoon's daughter, Elisabeth, had said her brother James had "fucked the company". BUWAHAHAHAHAHAA 8D Murdoch goin' DOWN. How many Pols go with him, the ONLY question. And FOX NEWS USA just can't seem to find ANY time to put this out. LMFAO shills running around like their Master just got whacked...;} Flashback: "Fox's omission closely follows the Bush administration's reported strategy of shifting blame to Louisiana state officials. The "Fox Facts" timeline also deceptively stated that on August 30, "3 NEW ORLEANS LEVEES BROKE & WATER POUR POURED INTO CITY" without noting that two levees -- including the critical 17th Street Canal levee -- actually broke on the morning of August 29, resulting in massive flooding. As The Wall Street Journal reported (subscription required) on September 12, "The 17th Street Canal levee ... was breached early Monday [August 29], the U.S. Army Corps of ..." 8D FOX USA goin' down.....8D
bush43 Lying or just stupid ignorant. You make the call: " After Levees Failed, Bush Had “A Sense of Relaxation” President Bush, after being asked whether he was ‘misinformed’ by his advisors before he said that no one anticipated the breach of the levees: What I was referring to is this: When that storm came by, a lot of people said we dodged a bullet. When that storm came through at first, people said, Whew. There was a sense of relaxation. And that’s what I was referring to. And I myself thought we had dodged a bullet. You know why? Because I was listening to people probably over the airwaves say, The bullet has been dodged. And that was what I was referring to. Of course, there were plans in case the levee had been breached. There was a sense of relaxation at a critical moment. President Bush’s story doesn’t hold up." 8D
LA TIMES MONEY QUOTE ARTICLE FROM KATRINA SCRUBBED Monday, August 29 7AM CDT — KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN] bold]7:30 AM CDT — BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOTIFIED OF THE LEVEE BREACH: The administration finds out that a levee in New Orleans was breached. On this day, 28 “government agencies, from local Louisiana parishes to the White House, [reported that] that New Orleans levees” were breached. [AP] 8AM CDT — MAYOR NAGIN REPORTS THAT WATER IS FLOWING OVER LEVEE: “I’ve gotten reports this morning that there is already water coming over some of the levee systems. In the lower ninth ward, we’ve had one of our pumping stations to stop operating, so we will have significant flooding, it is just a matter of how much.” [NBC's "Today Show"] 11:13 AM CDT – WHITE HOUSE CIRCULATES INTERNAL MEMO ABOUT LEVEE BREACH: “Flooding is significant throughout the region and a levee in New Orleans has reportedly been breached sending 6-8 feet of water throughout the 9th ward area of the city.” [AP] thinkprogress.org/report/katrina-timeline/
White House KNEW by 8:15 AM. Let people die. To save their ass...;} http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4903&start=0 Jackson Barracks Military Museum Airpark, New Orleans img]
"Jackson Barracks is likely the only active military installation in the nation to have suffered complete destruction and damage during peacetime, said Maj. Gen. Hunt Downer, who is overseeing the barracks' reconstruction. The narrow post, which covers about 100 acres stretching from the Mississippi River, saw floodwater ranging from 4 feet to 18 feet in different spots. "Not a building escaped the wrath, " Downer said." By Monday 8:15 AM August 29, 2005.... The LA Nat Guard in Baton Rouge knew. The US Army then knew. The White House knew....;}
So you think DEBT, USURY and MASS MURDER are good things just like HITLER and STALIN, "Progressives" all.
Agreed. Viva Reagan/Thatcher!!!
Thatcher first PM pwnd by Murdoch....;} Reagan long ago driving the Borax mule team for GE...;}
Sir Paul Stephenson's resignation: the former Met boss has a tale to tell The police chief's memoir would be a fascinating account of why the Met is at the heart of the phone-hacking scandal * o Duncan Campbell o guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 July 2011 09.30 BST Meanwhile. FOX NEWS: Woman arrested for Groping TSA....LMFAO BUWHAAHAHAHAHA
Progressives = Teddy Roosevelt.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Funny , how the reforms of Reagan/Thatcher destroyed America and the UK's economy. Germany is now the western global export leader.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
So you think DEBT, USURY and MASS MURDER are good things just like HITLER and STALIN, "Progressives" all. Progressives = Teddy Roosevelt. Progressives = Every Democrat alive today.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
That's what happens when you tear down the Socialist wall. Good for them.
Yes and the pusher and big "hero" of the first of America's "Progressive" imperial WARS. (And also the American imperial WAR that made the regime of FIDEL CASTRO eventually possible.) As a side note the war in question was promoted by William Randolph Hurst and his newspaper syndicate for the "PROGRESSIVES" another reason to be against the permanent "intellectual property" model of copyright in any form except for probably a manditory Open Source Licensing form that would allow the copyright to continue beyond 28 years for protecting family freindly icons from dirivitive works use in porn, stoner literature, crime glorification literature and the like BUT FOR NO OTHER REASON.
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The 17th St Canal. Unfortunately, the EARLIER break at Industrial Canal/Claiborne/ Jackson's Barracks unavailable at this time.... Still Looking though....8D
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#33. To: Badeye (#22)
If you don't REMEMBER that famous headline, right up there with 'Dewey Beats Truman' you don't have enough intelligence to comment on this topic.
#34. To: mcgowanjm (#32)
Is there anything they haven't lied about? Anything at all?
#35. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Is there anything they haven't lied about? Anything at all?
#36. To: mcgowanjm (#35)
--what kind of civilization is that?
#37. To: lucysmom (#36)
It is the civilization envisioned by those of libertarian/conservative bent.
#38. To: mininggold (#37)
A plutarchy?
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#40. To: mcgowanjm (#24)
If you don't REMEMBER that famous headline
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President Bush, on vacation in Texas, was feeling relieved that New Orleans had "dodged the bullet," he later recalled.
#42. To: mininggold (#33)
Typical dumbass liberal.
#43. To: Badeye (#40)
If you don't REMEMBER that famous headline
#44. To: All (#43)
#45. To: Badeye (#42)
Typical dumbass liberal.
#46. To: Godwinson (#13)
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The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#47. To: Badeye (#41)
Which was contained in the front page story of the NYT, dumbass.
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#56. To: Godwinson (#49)
The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#57. To: Godwinson (#49)
The evils of the 19th century led to the better progressive ideas of the 20th century.
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So you think DEBT, USURY and MASS MURDER are good things just like HITLER and STALIN, "Progressives" all.
#61. To: socalv8 (#57)
Agreed. Viva Reagan/Thatcher!!!
#62. To: Godwinson (#60)
#63. To: Godwinson (#61)
Germany is now the western global export leader.
They got over Hitler by getting their ass kicked...you?
#64. To: Godwinson (#60)
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The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
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