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Title: California companies fleeing the Golden State (Moonbeam O phobia)
Source: CNN Money
URL Source: http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/28/new ... a_companies/index.htm?iid=Lead
Published: Jul 12, 2011
Author: Tami Luhby
Post Date: 2011-07-12 22:21:34 by Hondo68
Keywords: high taxes, strict regulations, the state is not stable, worst place to do business
Views: 8936
Comments: 21

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Buffeted by high taxes, strict regulations and uncertain state budgets, a growing number of California companies are seeking friendlier business environments outside of the Golden State.

And governors around the country, smelling blood in the water, have stepped up their courtship of California companies. Officials in states like Florida, Texas, Arizona and Utah are telling California firms how business-friendly they are in comparison.

Companies are "disinvesting" in California at a rate five times greater than just two years ago, said Joseph Vranich, a business relocation expert based in Irvine. This includes leaving altogether, establishing divisions elsewhere or opting not to set up shop in California.

"There is a feeling that the state is not stable," Vranich said. "Sacramento can't get its act together...and that includes the governor, legislators and regulatory agencies that are running wild."

The state has been ranked by Chief Executive magazine as the worst place to do business for seven years.

"California, once a business friendly state, continues to conduct a war on its own economy," the magazine wrote.

That is about to change, at least if Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom has anything to say about it. Newsom is developing a plan to address the state's economic Achilles heels, and build on its strengths. It will be unveiled at the end of July.

"California has got to get its act together when it comes to economic development and job creation," he said.

While not all companies investing elsewhere are doing so for economic reasons, some are shopping around for lower costs, lighter regulations, stable leadership and government assistance and incentives.

The most popular places to go? Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Virginia and North Carolina, said Vranich. All rank in the Top 13 places to do business, according to Chief Executive.

No budget, no pay for California lawmakers

After 15 years in Monterey Country, Calif., Feel Golf relocated its headquarters to Florida earlier this year after it acquired Pro Line Sports, which was based in the Sunshine State.

"The whole state is a bureaucratic Santa Claus," said Lee Miller, chief executive of the golf equipment company, of his former home. "There's a very high cost of doing business."

In Florida, he found a better work pool, lower operating costs and no personal income taxes.

"Overall, it's just a better environment," he said.

PayPal opened a new customer services and operations center in Chandler, Ariz., in February, bringing 2,000 jobs to the area. The San Jose, Calif.-based tech firm, along with its parent eBay, also added 1,000 jobs in Austin, Texas, and expanded operations in Utah.

"They have business-friendly environments," said Kathy Chui, a spokeswoman for eBay.

Other states, which are revving up their job creation efforts in the weak economy, are making sure California firms know the advantages to doing businesses with them.

Utah, for instance, touts its stable government, balanced budget and AAA debt rating, said Todd Brightwell, vice president at the state's Economic Development Corp.

"We promote predictability," said Brightwell, whose agency features an online comparison between the states in terms of taxes, real estate costs, utility expenses, cost of living and other metrics.

Over the past 18 months, the state become much more proactive in courting California firms. It now visits there regularly to reach out to target companies. The strategy has been successful. Adobe has expanded operations in Utah, as has Electronic Arts.

California companies are also reaching out to other states. Sandra Watson, chief operating officer of the Arizona Commerce Authority, said she's seeing a growing number of California firms looking to expand outside the state.

The economic downturn has forced companies to find ways to reduce their costs, she said. Arizona is trying to capitalize on that by promoting its lower workers compensation and unemployment insurance taxes, as well as its aggressive incentive packages.

"There's a lot of competition out there and companies are re-evaluating their strategies," she said.

California, however, isn't sitting idly by. Not only is Newsom meeting with executives to hear their complaints, he's studying the best practices of other states. Earlier this year, he visited Texas, ranked #1 by Chief Executive, to learn more about its job creation efforts.

Newsom's plan will focus on California's premier industries, including biotechnology, agriculture and digital media. It will highlight the state's strengths in innovation and research and cultivate more manufacturing and exports. It also will examine how to address executives' concerns about regulation, taxes and layers of bureaucracy.

Later this year, California will set up a new agency that will serve as a focal point for economic development and job creation, he said. Among its goals will be to reverse the perception that California is business-unfriendly.

"We're going to start pounding away at this and begin to slowly turn this around," he said. 

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

A good example is Hollywood.
The Liberals rule and created an atmosphere that has caused much of the filming to move to Canada.

Taxes and Unions are kryptonite to business.

socalv8  posted on  2011-07-13   2:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#0)

Buffeted by high taxes, strict regulations and uncertain state budgets, a growing number of California companies are seeking friendlier business environments outside of the Golden State.

Another California (fleeing) company just bought the abandoned GM plant in Dayton, and it's rumored there will be over 2,000 people employed there....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!!

CZ82  posted on  2011-07-13   6:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68, socalv8, CZ82, lucysmom (#0) (Edited)

The most popular places to go? Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Virginia and North Carolina, said Vranich. All rank in the Top 13 places to do business, according to Chief Executive.

With the exception of Utah and Colorado, all these states rank at the bottom of US life expectancy. I guess they really do work people to death in America these days....

Texas, 34th

Arizona, 23rd

Colorado, 16th

Nevada, 40th

Utah, 10th

Virginia, 26th

North Carolina, 39th

California's life expectancy ranks as number 6 out of 50. Can't have workers too healthy and happy. They get distracted from working.....

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-13   10:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Godwinson (#3)

The most popular places to go? Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Virginia and North Carolina, said Vranich. All rank in the Top 13 places to do business, according to Chief Executive.

I lived in Nevada for 7 years. Businesses that move to the silver state get a favorable tax climate and soon discover there is more to business climate than taxes.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-13   10:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#4)

Businesses that move to the silver state get a favorable tax climate and soon discover there is more to business climate than taxes.

I hope workers did not buy homes there.....

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-07-13   11:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: CZ82 (#2)

Another California (fleeing) company just bought the abandoned GM plant in Dayton, and it's rumored there will be over 2,000 people employed there....

The purchasing company isn't 'fleeing' California. Its a property management firm that bought the old GM plant at auction for chrissakes.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-07-13   11:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Godwinson (#5)

I hope workers did not buy homes there.....

Many did. Reno is in better shape than Los Vegas - both are bad.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-13   11:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Thunderbird (#6)

The purchasing company isn't 'fleeing' California.

Businesses have been fleeing California for decades now, and still life goes on.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-13   11:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lucysmom (#8)

Businesses have been fleeing California for decades now, and still life goes on.

And every year the freeways get more and more crowded.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-13   11:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: lucysmom (#8)

Businesses have been fleeing California for decades now, and still life goes on.

Agree, although it frosts me when folks misrepresent whats going on. The article mostly talks about California based companies 'expanding' into other states.

The rest of the country ought to be glad these companies exist in the first place.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-07-13   11:24:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#7)

Many did. Reno is in better shape than Los Vegas - both are bad.

I couldn't believe how fast that area around Boom Town was developed. One year there was only the marmots, two years later houses everywhere.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-13   11:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Thunderbird (#10)

Agree, although it frosts me when folks misrepresent whats going on. The article mostly talks about California based companies 'expanding' into other states.

The rest of the country ought to be glad these companies exist in the first place.

You will find that's pretty normal behavior on this site. There's some who want to win at all costs. I forgot what the prize was though.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-13   11:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mininggold (#11)

I couldn't believe how fast that area around Boom Town was developed. One year there was only the marmots, two years later houses everywhere.

I was back last Thanksgiving and couldn't believe it either.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-13   11:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Thunderbird (#10)

Agree, although it frosts me when folks misrepresent whats going on.

I think they hate us because they're jealous.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-13   11:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#9)

Carmageddon (405 closure) is this weekend...creating possibly our worst traffic ever.

socalv8  posted on  2011-07-13   13:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lucysmom (#14)

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-07-13   16:25:55 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: BorisY (#16)

Let all them eastern transplants go back to where they came from! They don't do nothin but muck up the environment and complain.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-13   16:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lucysmom (#17)

Let all them eastern transplants go back to where they came from! They don't do nothin but muck up the environment and complain.

Spoken like a narrow minded, parochial idiot.

Now we know what you are really all about -- old, closed-minded, reactionary.

No surprise.


Any fourth grade history student knows socialism has failed in every country, at every time in history -- Vladimir Putin

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-13   16:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: jwpegler (#18)

Oh come on - you can do better than that - can't you?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-13   16:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: jwpegler, lucysmom (#18)

Let all them eastern transplants go back to where they came from!

Now the red diaper Okie anchor babies think they own the place!


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-07-13   17:18:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: hondo68 (#20)

Now the red diaper Okie anchor babies think they own the place!

Okie anchor babies?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-13   18:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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