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Title: LET’S END THIS DEBT CEILING DEBATE WITH A $1 OZ. $1T COIN
Source: Pragmatic Capitalism
URL Source: http://pragcap.com/lets-end-this-de ... ing-debate-with-a-1-oz-1t-coin
Published: Jul 7, 2011
Author: Cullen Roche
Post Date: 2011-07-09 00:54:08 by lucysmom
Keywords: Debt Ceiling, Treasury vs Congress
Views: 63723
Comments: 102

A reader points out a very interesting loophole in the debt ceiling debate that would give the US Treasury the ability to tell the US Congress to take their fearmongering and shove it you know where. Reader “Beowulf” notes:

“No, Tsy isn’t authorized to just “print” money, the Federal Reserve Act gives that power to the Fed, However, the Coinage Act grants the Secretary of the Treasury rather broad coin seigniorage authority. Geithner could sidestep the debt ceiling this afternoon by ordering the West Point Mint to coin a 1 oz. $ 1 trillion coin. Tsy can then present the jumbo coins at the NY Fed to buy back $1 trillion in Fed-held debt (the Fed has to accept it, a creditor can’t refuse legal tender paid in to settle a debt):

(h) The coins issued under this title shall be legal tender… (k) The Secretary may mint and issue platinum bullion coins and proof platinum coins in accordance with such specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations, and inscriptions as the Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, may prescribe from time to time.”

The simple threat of doing this would end this debate right here and right now. It’s time for Congress to stop playing Russian roulette with the US economy. If you want to take a stand on spending then do so before you pass legislation that causes us to run up into the debt ceiling. Don’t use some phony law to try to scare people into thinking that we are Greece (something that’s entirely impossible anyhow).

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#1. To: Badeye, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric, Mininggold (#0)

Sounds crazy, but...

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-09   0:57:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lucysmom (#1)

Crazy is raising the debt limit. The rationalizations for doing so are very similiar to a drunk's reasoning for demanding he be given another bottle of Jack Daniels.

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-11   9:48:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Badeye (#33)

The rationalizations for doing so are very similiar to a drunk's reasoning for demanding he be given another bottle of Jack Daniels.

Not hanging out with drunks, I wouldn't know what that might be.

What I do know is that if we don't pay our bills, we've broken our word.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-11   11:01:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#36)

What I do know is that if we don't pay our bills, we've broken our word.

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't pay our bills. It only allows this administration to continue to write BAD CHECKS, further excerbating the debt crisis we already face.

And it will in fact 'break the word' to American Taxpayers...not that you on the Left give a rats ass about THAT.

Finally, I'm sure you are very familiar with drunks goofy. I don't believe anyone could suffer you without being drunk first.

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-11   11:12:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Badeye (#40)

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't pay our bills. It only allows this administration to continue to write BAD CHECKS, further excerbating the debt crisis we already face.

Every American owes $50,000 in current debt and $500,000 in future obligations. $500,000 -- that's $2 million for every family of four. The median household income is about $50,000 a year. Do the math. This can't possibly be paid.

Not only do we have to stop borrowing money now, we also have to remove Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid from entitlement status. They should be funded each year based on our ability to pay, not based on some automatic formula.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-11   11:37:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: jwpegler (#49)

we also have to remove Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid from entitlement status.

Get ready for war then, MFer.

You can use your Largest ever Military Budget to get me some weapons....

8D

Cause I ain't no body's slave.

These Entitlements as you call them were made because 7 million Americans had just dies of starvation/cold the Winter of 32.

The Top 50 000 will run out of bodies before the Bottom 90%....

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-11   11:41:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mcgowanjm (#53)

Get ready for war then

War with 60 year old dope heads like you??? Right. You can barely get out of bed in the morning and post incoherent rants on Liberysflame. ROTFLMAO.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-11   11:44:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: jwpegler (#56) (Edited)

War with 60 year old dope heads like you??? Right. You can barely get out of bed in the morning and post incoherent rants on Liberysflame. ROTFLMAO.

You've been given the chance to prove your assertions but you continually come up empty. YOU are the one who needs to prove that your 'new improved' theories will work, not the other way around.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-11   11:49:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: mininggold (#60)

but you continually come up empty

I continually post all kinds of evidence from all over the world for every position I take. Unfortunately, you, Lucysmom, and Goobershit are either too stupid, stubborn, or stoned to understand it. So I won't waste my time anymore.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-11   11:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: jwpegler (#62)

continually post all kinds of evidence from all over the world for every position I take. Unfortunately, you, Lucysmom, and Goobershit are either too stupid, stubborn, or stoned to understand it. So I won't waste my time anymore.

Post it now. You can start with where the first free market is located and what qualities determine it to be such.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-11   11:57:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mininggold (#65)

You can start

Nope. I'm finished wasting time doing any research for you and your lunatic leftist buddies, because you are unteachable.

So, just roll another one and toke away hippie.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-11   12:00:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: jwpegler (#66)

Nope. I'm finished wasting time doing any research for you and your lunatic leftist buddies, because you are unteachable.

So, just roll another one and toke away hippie.

So who designated you to a teaching position on this chit chat site? Especially since you can't even define your goals much less prove your theories. And you seem to be unaware that this is a discussion forum. You failed big time.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-11   12:12:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: mininggold, jwpegler, lucysmom, Badeye (#69)

So who designated you to a teaching position on this chit chat site?

Ming/loonymom, where you are concerned, everybody is in a position to teach you. You exhibit the typical leftist (i.e., socialist "useful idiot") traits of being both brutally stupid, and proud of your stupidity.

Especially since you can't even define your goals much less prove your theories.

Proof is posted here, daily, which effectively eviscerates your pathetic, nonsensical positions. So you choose to ignore the proof, because it's better- and easier- for you to live in the delusions of your mind, then face reality. But hey, that's what it takes to be a leftist- gross ignorance of reality, or the refusal to accept reality, once it is presented.

you seem to be unaware that this is a discussion forum. You failed big time.

The failure is all yours, ming/loonymom. With every post, with every statement you make, you demonstrate that you are incapable of facing reality. You live in sound-bites, preferring the more interesting fiction of the leftist-MSM news, than real life.

Chayefsky was talking about people like YOU, ming/loonymom, when he wrote:

Television is not the truth! Television is a God-damned amusement park! Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, storytellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, side-show freaks, lion tamers, and football players. We're in the boredom-killing business! So if you want the truth... Go to God! Go to your gurus! Go to yourselves! Because that's the only place you're ever going to find any real truth.

[laughing to himself] But, man, you're never going to get any truth from us. We'll tell you anything you want to hear; we lie like hell. We'll tell you that, uh, Kojak always gets the killer, or that nobody ever gets cancer at Archie Bunker's house, and no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don't worry, just look at your watch; at the end of the hour he's going to win. We'll tell you any shit you want to hear. We deal in *illusions*, man! None of it is true!

But you people sit there, day after day, night after night, all ages, colors, creeds... We're all you know.

You're beginning to believe the illusions we're spinning here. You're beginning to think that the tube is reality, and that your own lives are unreal.

You do whatever the tube tells you! You dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube, you even *think* like the tube!

This is mass madness, you maniacs!

In God's name, you people are the real thing! *WE* are the illusion!


-- Howard Beale, "Network" (1976)

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-11   13:46:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Capitalist Eric (#74)

More of your cut and paste filler but it does explain some of your delusions regarding internet posters here. I can see why your employers won't let you near a computer on the weekends.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-11   13:53:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: mininggold (#75)

More of your cut and paste filler but it does explain some of your delusions regarding internet posters here.

Translation: "Everyone is crazy except ME!"

I can see why your employers won't let you near a computer on the weekends.

Another nonsensical quote. LMAO!!! Nothing like proving my point! :)

There are many weekends where I don't even bother to turn on my computer- much less the TV. Unlike you, I have a life.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-11   14:02:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Capitalist Eric (#76)

There are many weekends where I don't even bother to turn on my computer- much less the TV. Unlike you, I have a life.

Actually you don't if your job classification includes posting here.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-11   14:04:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mininggold (#77)

Actually you don't if your job classification includes posting here.

Now THATs funny coming from you, whiningoldloonymom. Thanks for the laugh.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-07-11   14:08:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Rudgear (#78)

Now THATs funny coming from you, whiningoldloonymom. Thanks for the laugh.

I confess I don't get the "job classification" jab, which she seems quite familiar with.

I'm guessing this has something to do with which station she holds at McD's?

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-11   14:13:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Capitalist Eric (#79)

Actually you don't if your job classification includes posting here.

She just keeps tipping her hand as to her circumstances.

Rudgear  posted on  2011-07-11   14:19:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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