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Title: LET’S END THIS DEBT CEILING DEBATE WITH A $1 OZ. $1T COIN
Source: Pragmatic Capitalism
URL Source: http://pragcap.com/lets-end-this-de ... ing-debate-with-a-1-oz-1t-coin
Published: Jul 7, 2011
Author: Cullen Roche
Post Date: 2011-07-09 00:54:08 by lucysmom
Keywords: Debt Ceiling, Treasury vs Congress
Views: 61126
Comments: 102

A reader points out a very interesting loophole in the debt ceiling debate that would give the US Treasury the ability to tell the US Congress to take their fearmongering and shove it you know where. Reader “Beowulf” notes:

“No, Tsy isn’t authorized to just “print” money, the Federal Reserve Act gives that power to the Fed, However, the Coinage Act grants the Secretary of the Treasury rather broad coin seigniorage authority. Geithner could sidestep the debt ceiling this afternoon by ordering the West Point Mint to coin a 1 oz. $ 1 trillion coin. Tsy can then present the jumbo coins at the NY Fed to buy back $1 trillion in Fed-held debt (the Fed has to accept it, a creditor can’t refuse legal tender paid in to settle a debt):

(h) The coins issued under this title shall be legal tender… (k) The Secretary may mint and issue platinum bullion coins and proof platinum coins in accordance with such specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations, and inscriptions as the Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, may prescribe from time to time.”

The simple threat of doing this would end this debate right here and right now. It’s time for Congress to stop playing Russian roulette with the US economy. If you want to take a stand on spending then do so before you pass legislation that causes us to run up into the debt ceiling. Don’t use some phony law to try to scare people into thinking that we are Greece (something that’s entirely impossible anyhow).

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#1. To: Badeye, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric, Mininggold (#0)

Sounds crazy, but...

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-09   0:57:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lucysmom (#1)

Crazy is raising the debt limit. The rationalizations for doing so are very similiar to a drunk's reasoning for demanding he be given another bottle of Jack Daniels.

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-11   9:48:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Badeye (#33)

The rationalizations for doing so are very similiar to a drunk's reasoning for demanding he be given another bottle of Jack Daniels.

Not hanging out with drunks, I wouldn't know what that might be.

What I do know is that if we don't pay our bills, we've broken our word.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-11   11:01:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#36)

What I do know is that if we don't pay our bills, we've broken our word.

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't pay our bills. It only allows this administration to continue to write BAD CHECKS, further excerbating the debt crisis we already face.

And it will in fact 'break the word' to American Taxpayers...not that you on the Left give a rats ass about THAT.

Finally, I'm sure you are very familiar with drunks goofy. I don't believe anyone could suffer you without being drunk first.

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-11   11:12:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Badeye (#40)

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't pay our bills. It only allows this administration to continue to write BAD CHECKS, further excerbating the debt crisis we already face.

Every American owes $50,000 in current debt and $500,000 in future obligations. $500,000 -- that's $2 million for every family of four. The median household income is about $50,000 a year. Do the math. This can't possibly be paid.

Not only do we have to stop borrowing money now, we also have to remove Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid from entitlement status. They should be funded each year based on our ability to pay, not based on some automatic formula.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-11   11:37:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: jwpegler (#49)

we also have to remove Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid from entitlement status.

Get ready for war then, MFer.

You can use your Largest ever Military Budget to get me some weapons....

8D

Cause I ain't no body's slave.

These Entitlements as you call them were made because 7 million Americans had just dies of starvation/cold the Winter of 32.

The Top 50 000 will run out of bodies before the Bottom 90%....

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-11   11:41:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mcgowanjm (#53)

Get ready for war then

War with 60 year old dope heads like you??? Right. You can barely get out of bed in the morning and post incoherent rants on Liberysflame. ROTFLMAO.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-11   11:44:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: jwpegler (#56) (Edited)

War with 60 year old dope heads like you??? Right. You can barely get out of bed in the morning and post incoherent rants on Liberysflame. ROTFLMAO.

You've been given the chance to prove your assertions but you continually come up empty. YOU are the one who needs to prove that your 'new improved' theories will work, not the other way around.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-11   11:49:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: mininggold (#60)

but you continually come up empty

I continually post all kinds of evidence from all over the world for every position I take. Unfortunately, you, Lucysmom, and Goobershit are either too stupid, stubborn, or stoned to understand it. So I won't waste my time anymore.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-11   11:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: jwpegler, mininggold, All (#62)

but you continually come up empty

but you continually come up empty

Perfect description of the Last 30 years of Reaganism/TrumanDoctrine/BrettonWoodsGold Default.

But not by looking at the BlueBar to the Right.

We have over a thousand cable TV channels where I live, and none of them puts on a coherent news program on Sunday nights, so weekends have become news blackouts.

Looks like we're hours/days away:

All these rich bible beatin' MFers gonna have to steal some more from their slaves.

And I don't know if the slaves have any more to give...8D

" "A comprehensive global energy transition is urgently needed in order to avert a major planetary catastrophe," the report warns.

Might I interject? Perhaps our "rapidly expanding" use of fossil fuel energy itself can not be sustained for much longer. I suggest that somebody should take a long look at the situation. Certainly, crude oil does not seem quite so abundant as it once appeared to be. Perhaps somebody at the U.N. ought to look at the oil price trend since 2003. And then there's that pending, unresolved peak coal estimate. Country estimates of how much recoverable coal they have always seem to go down. And there's all that nonsense about shale gas. But I digress.

In his preface to the report, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon writes that "rather than viewing growth and sustainability as competing goals on a collision course, we must see them as complementary and mutually supportive imperatives. This becomes possible when we embrace a low-carbon, resource-efficient, pro-poor economic model."

"A comprehensive global energy transition is urgently needed in order to avert a major planetary catastrophe," the report warns.

Might I interject? Perhaps our "rapidly expanding" use of fossil fuel energy itself can not be sustained for much longer. I suggest that somebody should take a long look at the situation. Certainly, crude oil does not seem quite so abundant as it once appeared to be. Perhaps somebody at the U.N. ought to look at the oil price trend since 2003. And then there's that pending, unresolved peak coal estimate. Country estimates of how much recoverable coal they have always seem to go down. And there's all that nonsense about shale gas. But I digress.

In his preface to the report, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon writes that "rather than viewing growth and sustainability as competing goals on a collision course, we must see them as complementary and mutually supportive imperatives. This becomes possible when we embrace a low-carbon, resource-efficient, pro-poor economic model."

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