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Title: LET’S END THIS DEBT CEILING DEBATE WITH A $1 OZ. $1T COIN
Source: Pragmatic Capitalism
URL Source: http://pragcap.com/lets-end-this-de ... ing-debate-with-a-1-oz-1t-coin
Published: Jul 7, 2011
Author: Cullen Roche
Post Date: 2011-07-09 00:54:08 by lucysmom
Keywords: Debt Ceiling, Treasury vs Congress
Views: 59813
Comments: 102

A reader points out a very interesting loophole in the debt ceiling debate that would give the US Treasury the ability to tell the US Congress to take their fearmongering and shove it you know where. Reader “Beowulf” notes:

“No, Tsy isn’t authorized to just “print” money, the Federal Reserve Act gives that power to the Fed, However, the Coinage Act grants the Secretary of the Treasury rather broad coin seigniorage authority. Geithner could sidestep the debt ceiling this afternoon by ordering the West Point Mint to coin a 1 oz. $ 1 trillion coin. Tsy can then present the jumbo coins at the NY Fed to buy back $1 trillion in Fed-held debt (the Fed has to accept it, a creditor can’t refuse legal tender paid in to settle a debt):

(h) The coins issued under this title shall be legal tender… (k) The Secretary may mint and issue platinum bullion coins and proof platinum coins in accordance with such specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations, and inscriptions as the Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, may prescribe from time to time.”

The simple threat of doing this would end this debate right here and right now. It’s time for Congress to stop playing Russian roulette with the US economy. If you want to take a stand on spending then do so before you pass legislation that causes us to run up into the debt ceiling. Don’t use some phony law to try to scare people into thinking that we are Greece (something that’s entirely impossible anyhow).

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#1. To: Badeye, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric, Mininggold (#0)

Sounds crazy, but...

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-09   0:57:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lucysmom (#1)

Crazy is raising the debt limit. The rationalizations for doing so are very similiar to a drunk's reasoning for demanding he be given another bottle of Jack Daniels.

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-11   9:48:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Badeye (#33)

The rationalizations for doing so are very similiar to a drunk's reasoning for demanding he be given another bottle of Jack Daniels.

Not hanging out with drunks, I wouldn't know what that might be.

What I do know is that if we don't pay our bills, we've broken our word.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-11   11:01:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#36)

What I do know is that if we don't pay our bills, we've broken our word.

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't pay our bills. It only allows this administration to continue to write BAD CHECKS, further excerbating the debt crisis we already face.

And it will in fact 'break the word' to American Taxpayers...not that you on the Left give a rats ass about THAT.

Finally, I'm sure you are very familiar with drunks goofy. I don't believe anyone could suffer you without being drunk first.

Badeye  posted on  2011-07-11   11:12:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Badeye (#40)

Raising the debt ceiling doesn't pay our bills.

You need to do more research.

And it will in fact 'break the word' to American Taxpayers...

Rather the Republican politicians word to Grover Norquist.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-11   11:21:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lucysmom (#41)

You're exactly correct, LM.

Oh, and Almost forgot this...

Remember Way back when, bush43 had just Stolen his 2nd Slection with 8 Million Born Again Fundies coming from Outer Space to vote for the very first time?

And then not two months later comes out and says, 'I've got Political Capital and I'm going to spend it'?

What was he going to do?

PRIVATIZE SS and give it to WALL ST....LMFAO

" Not while I'm President. I'll fight with everything I've got to stop those who would gamble your Social Security on Wall Street."

Yet a month later when I questioned David Plouffe about the President's committment to Social Security at the Harkin Steak Fry, I got a non-answer that made chills run up my spine..."They want to weaken and destroy it. We want to fix it."

Try that answer on someone who doesn't know that it doesn't need fixing because it ain't broke, and who went to school back when they taught us how to diagram sentences so we can decypher what those who look at the trust fund with a lustful, impure eye are really saying: "In order to avoid future benefit cuts, we must cut future benefits. Ditto raising the retirement age."

Didn't we put some people in military prison for destroying villages in order to save them?

The fact of the matter is, Social Security is not only not responsible for our deficit woes, it is independent of the deficit /and/ it is solvent for decades. Period. Full stop.

That CBO report finds that the Social Security OAS (Old Age/Survivors) Trust Fund, without changing a thing, will be able to make full payouts through 2039 -- it should also be noted that the full payout projections have been pushed downward by the economic downturn of the last couple of years, and those numbers should start moving the other way as the economy recovers. And if that isn't the case, we have a lot bigger problems than Social Security coming down the pike.

And even if the trust fund were to run out, Social Security would still be in pretty good shape. The OAS Trust Fund, established with the Social Security Amendments of 1939, is considered to be fully funded (in SS Speak in 'Short Term Actuarial Balance') if it has reserves equal to 100% of the next year's cost. As it turns out it fell out of balance in 1971 and despite some tweaks in 1977 continued to fall until it flirted with zero in 1982. Which led to the creation of the Greenspan Commission and its two part fix. The first part was intended to put the Trust Fund back in Short Term Balance, a task that was complete by 1993. The second part was to build the Trust Fund sufficiently over that minimum to fund benefits ON AVERAGE over the next 75 years. That was pretty successful as well, leaving the current Trust Fund with a ratio of 390 (almost 4 years of reserve) , but in any event it was ALWAYS the plan to draw down the excess as needed to help fund the demographic challenge of the Boomers. The last boomers will retire in 2029, ten years before the trust fund is currently projected to be depleted, and four years before it fails the 100% test (per SSA numbers which vary a little from CBO's).

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-11   11:35:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#50. To: All (#48)

"As it turns out it fell out of balance in 1971

and despite some tweaks in 1977

continued to fall until it flirted with zero in 1982.

Which led to the creation of the Greenspan Commission and its two part fix. The first part was intended to put the Trust Fund back in Short Term Balance, a task that was complete by 1993.

The second part was to build the Trust Fund sufficiently over that minimum to fund benefits ON AVERAGE over the next 75 years. That was pretty successful as well, leaving the current Trust Fund with a ratio of 390 (almost 4 years of reserve) , ...."

See those Four Dates?

Nixon and Reagan took the goody out in 71 and 82. The 'tweaks' were under Carter/Clinton passively accepting....

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-07-11 11:39:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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