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Title: The Tea Party's Murder-Suicide Pact
Source: The Atlantic
URL Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics ... ys-murder-suicide-pact/241539/
Published: Jul 7, 2011
Author: Josh Green
Post Date: 2011-07-07 08:13:02 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 3492
Comments: 6

Congress cut short its July 4th recess and returned to Washington this week to try and reach a deal to raise the debt ceiling. Or, rather, some of its members are trying - a growing number of Republicans responsive to the Tea Party movement seem dead set again this. They not only claim that the United States won't suffer any negative consequences if it doesn't raise the ceiling, but that refusing will have the salutary effect of forcing the government to live within its means.

A lot is at stake here. Just about everyone besides these Republicans believes that a debt default would be catastrophic. And most of them, including President Obama, would accept trillions of dollars in spending cuts to avoid finding out.

We'll know soon enough. The Treasury reports that as of Aug. 2 the government will no longer be able to meet its obligations. Among the many things that will be revealed on the way is whether the Tea Party can plausibly claim to be a constructive force imposing a new regime of fiscal probity or whether it will bring about the political equivalent of a murder-suicide, wrecking the economy and taking the Republican Party over a cliff.

Both scenarios are entirely plausible - a situation few could have envisioned when the Tea Party first rose up in the wake of the bailouts of Wall Street and the automotive industry in 2008. The movement's influence has turned out to be almost the opposite of what most people expected. Initially, the Tea Party was regarded as a powerful grass-roots electoral force, but probably not one that was going to change the bipartisan culture of Washington profligacy.

That view reflected the widespread expectation that most of its members would go native upon arrival in Washington and rapidly come to resemble those who they had replaced.

But for the most part, this hasn't happened. While the Tea Party movement helped Republicans carry the House last November, the limits of its electoral capacity were clear. Its candidates probably cost Republicans a number of key Senate races.

Where the Tea Party has been much more successful is in the profound effect it has had on Washington. At a time when the Democrats control most of the government and voters are obsessed with the weak economy - the latest Gallup poll shows 55 percent identifying the economy or jobs as their top issue, against only 13 percent who name the federal deficit - the singular focus in Washington is the Tea Party's prime concern: cutting the federal budget.

What's more, they are on the cusp of an almost unimaginable triumph. Until about a week ago, a grand bargain with Democrats and the White House seemed very near at hand in which spending would be cut by as much as $4 trillion over the next decade or so. These cuts included hundreds of billions from cherished entitlement programs like Medicare and Medicaid that conservatives have longed to confront for years, but from which they have always flinched for fear of the backlash that would inevitably ensue. Democrats have extended them a once-in-a-generation free pass, and ask remarkably little in return. In fact, the opening bid from the White House met the demands laid down in March (.pdf) by House Speaker John Boehner that any deal comprise 85 percent spending cuts and 15 percent revenue increases.

But key Republicans have decided they cannot abide any such deal, no matter how favorable to their own cause, a stunning reversal of position brought about by the Tea Party's refusal to consider any tax increase and mainstream Republicans' fear of getting crosswise with them. Crazy as this sounds, a number of Republicans from gerrymandered conservative districts appear more frightened of Tea Party wrath than the prospect of bringing about economic calamity (which would hurt those activists along with everyone else).

It's not too late. On Tuesday, the president reiterated his desire to cut trillions in spending and to do what politicians rarely do: forgo a smaller deal for something very much harder but of historic magnitude, which by the Tea Party's own professed standard, would represent a tremendous victory and establish it as one of the most successful forces in recent political history. But for the time being, its legacy seems to be approaching an ominously different outcome.

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#1. To: go65 (#0)

They not only claim that the United States won't suffer any negative consequences if it doesn't raise the ceiling

No one is saying any such thing. What they are saying is that the government will be forced to prioritize if it can't borrow any more money.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-07   8:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: jwpegler (#1) (Edited)

No one is saying any such thing. What they are saying is that the government will be forced to prioritize if it can't borrow any more money.

And the economy will go back into a severe recession, further cutting revenue, leading to more cuts and so on.

Are you prepared to tell seniors that they aren't getting SS checks or their doctors that they aren't getting paid by Medicare? Are you prepared to shut down a good chunk of the military, border security, the FAA, and so on.....

If we default on Aug. 2nd people may finally realize that you can't balance the budget by simply cutting foreign aid.

The conservatives are getting a once-in-a-lifetime deal, that they won't take it because there are some revenue increases is insane.

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-07-07   8:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#2)

Are you prepared to tell seniors that they aren't getting SS checks or their doctors that they aren't getting paid by Medicare? Are you prepared to shut down a good chunk of the military, border security, the FAA, and so on.....

If you've read anything by jp you'd already know the answer to that. JP believes in no government, to be replaced by pure, unfettered Darwinian capitalism where only the strongest survive while everyone else is free to die.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-07   11:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Skip Intro (#3)

If you've read anything by jp you'd already know the answer to that. JP believes in no government, to be replaced by pure, unfettered Darwinian capitalism where only the strongest survive while everyone else is free to die.

And yet he strongly espouses support for Singapore's health care policies.

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-07-07   11:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#4)

And yet he strongly espouses support for Singapore's health care policies.

I'm surprised he cares, since he says he's 100% healthy, his 79 year old mother is 100% healthy, and I assume his wife is as well.

Who needs health care when you're part of the Master Race? All the weaklings who do need it should just die off to improve the gene pool.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-07   11:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: go65 (#2) (Edited)

Are you prepared to tell seniors that they aren't getting SS checks

Yep, at least the ones that don't need it because they have pension plans or retirement annuities sufficient to live on. That's a whole bunch of them.

According to the census bureau the 31 million households headed by people 65 and older saw their median income rise by a healthy 5.8% in 2009 after inflation and 7.1% since the recession began in December 2007. Every other age group has suffered income losses of at least 4% during the recession.

The left looks at the poverty rate of seniors, but completely ignores the fact that seniors are also among the wealthiest of Americas. 25% have pensions, annuities, or property income that place them among the wealthiest Americans. Certainly, they should be immediately cut off from Social Security.

It's completely unfair and economically counterproductive to ask struggling, working families to continue to subsidize wealthy non-working people.


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-08   8:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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