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Title: Why the Left Fears Libertarianism
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URL Source: http://lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory217.html
Published: Jun 30, 2011
Author: Anthony Gregory
Post Date: 2011-06-30 16:28:00 by Capitalist Eric
Keywords: None
Views: 8702
Comments: 27

Leftist criticisms of libertarianism have surged lately, a phenomenon warranting explanation. We libertarians could justifiably find it all quite confusing. For decades we have thought our battle a largely losing one, at least in the short term. We are a tiny, relatively powerless minority. The state has raged on, expanding in virtually every direction, for my entire lifetime and that of my parents. Yet nearly every week our beloved philosophy of non-aggression is subject to some progressive’s relatively widely read hatchet job. On the surface, it appears at least as misdirected as the rightwing hysteria about Marxists during the Cold War. But at least Marxism was the supposed tenet of the Soviet Union, a regime with thousands of nukes ready to launch. Why all this concern about little ol’ us?

We could go through all these critiques line by line and expose the many factual errors and gross misinterpretations, whether disingenuous or unintentional. But it might be more worthwhile to ask, Why all this focus on the supposed demonic threat of libertarianism in the first place?

It was not too long ago that the Slate’s Jacob Weisberg declared the end of libertarianism. Time of death? The financial collapse, which proved our "ideology makes no sense." Not three years later, the same web publication is exposing "the liberty scam": "With libertarianism everywhere, it's hard to remember that as recently as the 1970s, it was nowhere to be found."

Funny, I thought libertarianism was dead. Now it is an insidious scam worthy of multiple articles exposing the danger that lurks beneath the façade. In 28 months our defunct ideology has resurrected into a ubiquitous threat.

If only. Despite the leftists’ hysteria that libertarianism is permeating the Tea Parties, defining Republican politics, and central to the message espoused by Glenn Beck, this is so far from the truth, so paranoid a delusion, that it makes Beck’s most incoherent sketches upon his notorious chalkboard appear like plausible, sensible political analysis by comparison.

The government grows bigger every day and every year, no matter how you measure it. There are more laws, more police, and more prisoners than ever. The empire and presidential power have been on the rise for decades. Spending has increased at all levels. New bureaucracies, edicts, social programs, and prohibitions crop up continually. Almost no regulations are ever repealed – yes, back in the late 1990s, Clinton signed a partial deregulation of certain bank practices (opposed by Ron Paul, as it was phony to begin with), which had nothing to do with the financial meltdown and yet is blamed for every economic problem that unfolded in the last decade. Yes, back in the early 1980s, Reagan cut marginal tax rates while increasing other taxes and positioning himself to double the federal government, and, according to the left-liberals, we’ve been in a laissez-faire tailspin ever since. But anyone who really thinks libertarianism has been dominant in this country clearly has very little understanding of what libertarianism is – or is utterly detached from reality.

Weisberg was wrong in 2008 when he predicted the demise of our philosophy after an era of major influence, and his fellow-traveling writer at Slate is wrong now when he thinks he sees it everywhere. It is telling, however, that when they choose to go after the Tea Party conservatives, the beltway think tanks, and the GOP rightwing, they do not generally attack these people for their many unlibertarian views (views that the left claims to oppose as well): Their love of the police state, their support for the drug war, their disregard for the Fourth Amendment, their comfort with torture, their demonization of immigrants and foreigners, and, above all, their unwavering penchant for warmongering. No, you see, these positions, while unfashionable in some liberal circles, are at least within the respectable parameters of debate. But if some conservative ever mentioned the Tenth Amendment favorably, questioned the legitimacy of the welfare state, or said perhaps the budget deficit should be cut by at least a third this year – horror upon horrors! This is far beyond the bounds of reasonable discussion. And, as it so happens, these are positions that libertarians would find somewhat agreeable, and so we see the real problem with Glenn Beck isn’t his flirtations with fascism and militarism; it’s the quirky way he wonders aloud if government has gotten a bit too big and might pose a threat to freedom. The populist conservatives are not exposed for being protectionists – that much is tolerable – but rather for clinging to their guns and localism. The neolibertarian policy wonks are attacked not for being soft on war but for being too hard on the state.

The fact is, most left-liberals do hate and fear libertarianism more than they oppose modern conservatism. It makes sense. For one thing, the conservatives and liberals seemingly agree on 90% of the issues, certainly when compared to the views of principled libertarians. They all favor having a strong military. We tend to want to abolish standing armies. They all think the police need more power – to crack down on guns, if you’re a liberal, and to crack down on drugs, if you’re a conservative. We libertarians think police have way too much power and flirt with the idea of doing away with them altogether. The conservatives and liberals all want to keep Medicare, Social Security, and public schools intact, if tweaked around the edges. We see these programs for what they are: the parasitic class’s authoritarian and regressive programs to control the youth and foment intergenerational conflict.

Second of all, conservatism is a much better foil for liberals to attack than libertarianism is. They can deal with the friendly rivalry between red-state fascism and blue-state socialism. With the central state as their common ground, the two camps enjoy hurling insults at each other, playing culture war games, vying over power, doing what they can to expand government knowing that even should they lose control, it will eventually come back to them. This might explain why when leftists condemn conservatism for its hypocritical claims to libertarianism, they seldom follow up by saying true libertarianism would in fact be preferable. To the contrary, the argument is usually that since the conservatives are collectivists after all, they should warm up to the liberal flavor of collectivism espoused by Democrats. The left correctly says the right does not embrace genuine free enterprise, but socialism for the rich, and that the right is not really for small government, not when it comes to imposing its values. But then does the left conclude that libertarianism is not so bad, after all? Not usually. For in the end, the more anti-government the right is, the more a menace it is to the left’s project of social democracy and humanitarian militarism.

But libertarianism, however weak its influence today, is a much greater long-term threat to the left than is any form of conservatism, and the leftist intellectuals sense this even if they can’t articulate why. Leftism, whether they know it or not, is a distorted permutation of the classical liberal tradition. The statist left did their deal with the devil – the nation-state, centralized authority of the most rapacious kind – supposedly with the goal of expediting the liberation of the common man and leveling the playing field. More than a century since the progressives and socialists twisted liberalism into an anti-liberty, pro-state ideology, they see that they have made a huge mess of the world, that, as they themselves complain, social inequality persists, corporatism flourishes, and wars rage on. As the chief political architects of the 20th century in the West, they have no one to blame but themselves, and so they target us – the true liberals, the ones who never let go of authentic liberal idealism, love of the individual dignity and rights of every man, woman and child, regardless of nationality or class, and hatred of state violence and coercive authoritarianism in all its forms.

But Barack Obama is really what has made the left-liberal illusion fold under the weight of its own absurdity. Here we had the perfect paragon of left-liberal social democracy. He beat the centrist Hillary Clinton then won the national election. He had a Democratic Congress for two years. He had loads of political capital by virtue of following a completely failed and unpopular Republican administration. The world welcomed him. The center cheered him. And what did he do?

He shoveled money toward corporate America, banks and car manufacturers. He championed the bailouts of the same Wall Street firms his very partisans blamed for the financial collapse. He picked the CEO of General Electric to oversee the unemployment problem. He appointed corporate state regulars for every major role in financial central planning. After guaranteeing a new era of transparency, he conducted all his regulatory business behind a shroud of unprecedented secrecy. He planned his health care scheme, the crown jewel of his domestic agenda, in league with the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

He continued the war in Iraq, even extending Bush’s schedule with a goal of staying longer than the last administration planned. He tripled the U.S. presence in Afghanistan then took over two years to announce the eventual drawdown to bring it back to only double the Bush presence. He widened the war in Pakistan, launching drone attacks at a dizzying pace. He started a war on false pretenses with Libya, shifting the goal posts and doing it all without Congressional approval. He bombed Yemen and lied about it.

He enthusiastically signed on to warrantless wiretapping, renditioning, the Patriot Act, prison abuse, detention without trial, violations of habeas corpus, and disgustingly invasive airport security measures. He deported immigrants more than Bush did. He increased funding for the drug war in Mexico. He invoked the Espionage Act more than all previous presidents combined, tortured a whistleblower, and claimed the right to unilaterally kill any U.S. citizen on Earth without even a nod from Congress or a shrug from the courts.

The left-liberals who stand by this war criminal and Wall Street shill have made their choice: better to have the militarism and police state, so long as it means a little more influence over domestic politics, even if that too is compromised by corporate interference, than it is to embrace a radical antiwar agenda that might complicate their domestic aspirations.

Our critics complain that America has "moved to the right" in the last three decades, and that would supposedly include Obama’s record so far, which appears in most part like a third Bush term. Yet not a single one of the egregious policies above passes libertarian muster. They are all anathema to the libertarian. And so are almost all policies embarked upon in the last three generations. And surely, this is true most of all for the wars. The few honest folks on the left recognize this. As the iconoclast Thad Russell puts it:

I’m a man of the left. I was raised by socialists in Berkeley. I’ve always been on the left. I stumbled upon Antiwar.com about three years ago. . . . This is what the left should be doing. This is what the left should be saying. . . . Libertarians like Antiwar.com, like Ron Paul, have been the leading voices of the antiwar movement. They’ve been the most principled, the most consistent, no matter who’s president. They’ve been saying again and again and again: "These wars are disasters. The empire must end." And the left shuns them because they either think they’re shills for corporations or they're racists or they don’t care about people. How could they not care about people if they’re the leading voices against killing people in our name?

Indeed, if we truly did not care about people, why would we libertarians waste so much time fighting what often seems to be a Sisyphean battle? Why not just lobby for federal contracts in Washington? Why not get government jobs and live off the taxpayer? Why not just ignore politics altogether, instead of fretting day and night about oppressive policies whose direct effects are most often borne by other people? The fact is, libertarianism is an ethical system whose discovery tends to compel its adherents to fight – and not mostly for themselves, but for the freedom of their fellow man, for perfect strangers.

Unfortunately, most of the left would rather not focus on the 98% of the Obama agenda that mirrors that of George W. Bush, including all the war on terror excesses they condemned for seven years. Or they comically attribute Obama’s Bush-like record as being part of the "culture of individualism" that we libertarians are somehow responsible for. Libertarianism, you see, can be found in the Obama White House as much as it lurks behind every Bush. You can expand government in every area but if you say something nice about the market or cut taxes by a couple percent, everything bad that happens on your watch is to be blamed on libertarianism.

Whether a willful misdirection or not, these leftists target their animus upon those who dare think that a nearly four-trillion-dollar federal government is too big, blaming Republicans for being too libertarian and blaming libertarians for being too idealistic or selfish. They even go after Ron Paul, who has always promised to scale back the warfare state and drug war immediately, while being more gradualist on welfare. They’ll even attack him for his heroic stand on legalizing heroin. Why? They have to challenge the very idea of libertarianism, even if it means bashing us for positions we thought they shared, such as on drug reform.

During the Bush years, many libertarians, myself included, said we would happily tolerate, for the time being anyway, the Democrats’ welfare state if it actually meant the end of the neocon war machine and police state. Of course, now we have all three in fuller force than in many decades. While for the sake of peace, many of us would tolerate welfare, the liberals are different: For the sake of welfare, they will tolerate war or at least the emperor waging it. Karl Hess was right: "Whenever you put your faith in big government for any reason, sooner or later you wind up an apologist for mass murder."

Everyone who votes for Barack Obama, a man with the blood of thousands of innocents on his hands, all to avoid another Republican administration that will presumably (but unlikely) slash back the domestic state, would seem to have some sorry priorities. You really care about the poorest, most innocent people? Throw your party, your president, your social democratic dreams under the bus – threaten to withhold your votes from any Democrat who lends his support to any war ever again.

Such talk about withdrawing consent from the state frightens the statist left, who may also be quite embarrassed that the most principled opponents of empire and oppression are obviously not the economic interventionists, but those whose philosophy lies somewhere on the spectrum between anarchism and anti-Federalism. Aside from their sheer embarrassment there is another explanation for their deflection, for their attacks on libertarianism while their president shreds the Bill of Rights, bankrupts the country, and slaughters in their name: The left knows that in the very long run, libertarianism really is the great philosophical adversary it must contend with. Conservatism is categorically the ideology of the past. The future clash will be between those who seek freedom from the state and those who seek salvation through the state, those who see the state as the enemy and those who somehow think the state can protect the masses from the ruling class. As libertarians, our dream is more utopian and our ideals are loftier, but our understanding of reality is also much more grounded and justified. Voluntarism and the market are far more humane and productive than any coercive alternative. The state is the enemy of the little guy. This is an immutable truth of the human condition. Obama, like Bush before him, only demonstrates the impossibility of divorcing the party of power from the party of privilege. Eventually the young, the idealistic, and those who hope for real change will retreat from the lying promises of leftist statism and embrace the radical and realistic program of individual liberty. It has already begun to happen, which is why the other side is frantic and scared.

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#1. To: Capitalist Eric, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0)

conservatives and liberals seemingly agree on 90% of the issues

Anyone who agrees with today's "liberals" 90% of the time, is not a conservative! Call em neo-cons, "compassionate conservatives", bushbots, ditto-heads, or whatever and they're still libtards.

Fortunately the D&R liberals combined, only equal about 1/3 of the population. Give the electorate a conservative to vote for and they'll win. Problem is, you don't find any on the ballot.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-06-30   17:44:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#1)

actually your political spectrum is glued together funny !

opposite of you libertarian looney anarchist leftists is the republicans in world - domestic realities you're in denial about !

You are psychopathically locked at the hips with liberals in their fantasy agenda too !

The means are different - the results are exactly the same !

A collection of social - dysfunctional - minority - misfit elites !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2011-06-30   18:49:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)

I could have sworn it was the right that tried to keep Ron Paul out of debates?

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-06-30   21:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#3)

I could have sworn it was the right that tried to keep Ron Paul out of debates?

John McCain and the cross dressing Giuliani are left, not right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-30   21:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#3)

I could have sworn it was the right that tried to keep Ron Paul out of debates?

No, it was orders from the leftists Rush Limbaugh, Carl Rove and William Krystol.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-06-30   21:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#5)

Rush isn't left. Krystol yes. Rove no.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-30   21:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#4)

John McCain and the cross dressing Giuliani are left, not right.

Fox News ring a bell?

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-06-30   21:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: go65 (#7)

Fox News ring a bell?

Fox news isn't right.

Guilianni and McCain are both leftist gun grabbers who love illegals. So does leftist fox.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-30   21:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: go65 (#7)

Fox News ring a bell?

Radical left wing anti-American globalist scum. Rupert Murdoch.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-06-30   21:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Capitalist Eric (#0) (Edited)

The biggest reason to fear libertarianism is that in an urbanized society it will cause crime. Given a lack of regulations and regulators man's behavior toward himself would devolve first into social and then resource warfare.

Libertarianism is not that highly evolved in terms of conflict resolution which puts it at direct odds with any kind of regulating body.

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war  posted on  2011-06-30   21:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#10)

The biggest reason to fear libertarianism is that in an urbanized society it will cause crime. Given a lack of regulations and regulators man's behavior toward himself would devolve first into social and then resource warfare.

Hey slow one. Why is it that back in the 50's when there were less regulations was there less crime?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-30   21:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)

Why the Left Fears Libertarianism

It's the first six letters - L-I-B-E-R-T

Too easy to confuse with another word that really scares the hell out of them - LIBERTY

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-06-30   22:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: go65 (#7)

Fox News ring a bell?

This thread is too funny. To the Tea Partiers evidently no one qualifies as being on the right.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-30   22:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#12)

It's the first six letters - L-I-B-E-R-T

Why does the right fear drug legalization and gay marriage?

"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET

go65  posted on  2011-06-30   23:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#11)

Hey slow one. Why is it that back in the 50's when there were less regulations was there less crime?

Fewer regulations, fewer crimes to commit.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   23:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: go65 (#14)

Why does the right fear drug legalization and gay marriage?

Obviously you don't know right from wrong.

I bet you think killing people is ok too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-30   23:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

You were wasprider, weren't you?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-06-30   23:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: go65 (#14)

Why does the right fear drug legalization and gay marriage?

If you want to get poked in the rear by a stoned queer, libertarians won't mind. Just don't expect us to issue you a marriage license.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-06-30   23:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: go65 (#14)

Why does the right fear drug legalization . . .
Which drugs? Legalization at what level - state or federal? Are you saying the "right" is of one mind on this issue?
. . . and gay marriage?
It's not a "left" or "right" issue. Whoever has the bigger guns owns the term "marriage" and can define it however they see fit.

Words evolve, right? After all, "gay" used to mean happy.

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2011-06-30   23:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: go65 (#14)

www.libertypost.org/cgi-b...ArtNum=309823&Disp=17#C17

Just thought you should know what I saw.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-06-30   23:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Obviously you don't know right from wrong.

Do you think what banks did was wrong?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-01   0:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)

They are both fighting for the same emotional breadcrumbs.
Conservatives value logic. Libs value emotion.

Beggars hate competition.

socalv8  posted on  2011-07-01   2:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: socalv8 (#22)

Ouch.

I am forced to agree.

Socialists & Democrats want you to do one thing:

"You "say" the most iodtic things..." --our local dummy DwarF

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-01   13:03:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68 (#18)

If you want to get poked in the rear by a stoned queer, libertarians won't mind. Just don't expect us to issue you a marriage license.

Libertarians say marriage equality only one step toward ending legal discrimination

WASHINGTON - While supporting steps taken over the past several years to end the unequal treatment of gays in the area of marriage, Libertarians say a just society is one in which no law depends on one's sexual identity.

"Permitting couples to marry when they are of the same gender is a step in the direction of equality before the law, but a truly free society would not have government in the business of defining relationships at all," said LP Chair Mark Hinkle. "Frankly, the idea that someone's legal rights should depend on whether they've entered a government-approved relationship ought to be repugnant to all of us."

Hinkle continued, "The Libertarian Party opposed the so-called Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) while it was being passed overwhelmingly in 1996 by a Republican Congress and signed into law by Democrat Bill Clinton and has consistently called for its repeal in the intervening 15 years. Because of DOMA, even same-sex couples married in states that permit it face higher federal income taxes, gift and estate taxes, and immigration restrictions than opposite-sex couples, and can have their marriages effectively nullified by another state if they move to it.

"Marriage equality is not enough, however. I've heard some people express concern that allowing gay marriage would send us down a slippery slope. I hope it does. We should settle for nothing less than a society in which the legal code is wiped clean of references to a person's sexual identity or depends on how many sexual partners they have. It is disgraceful that we grant government officials the power to even examine such things, let alone criminalize any peaceful conduct between consenting adults or punish them with unequal marriage, adoption, tax, or immigration laws."

Just as Stonewall Democrats and Log Cabin Republicans have represented LGBTQ members of those parties, Outright Libertarians (OL) represents LGTBQ members of the LP, but with a big difference. "Our focus is on outreach to non- Libertarians," notes former LP National Treasurer and current OL president James Oaksun. "Full equality before the law is already the consensus position among Libertarians, and has been so since the party was founded. And the party's platform has always embraced full equality before the law. The strength of the LP's commitment to full equality is a great advantage for the party in the LGBT community."

The Libertarian Party platform includes the following:

"1.3 Personal Relationships
Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships."

http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-say-marriage-equality-only- one-step-toward-ending-legal-discriminat

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"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
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war  posted on  2011-07-01   13:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: socalv8 (#22) (Edited)

Conservatives value logic.

Is that why they keep it locked up in a vault never to be seen...or used?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-07-01   13:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#25)

Is that why they keep it locked up in a vault never to be seen...or used?

Those with no logic, See no logic. Kinda like Faith.

Happy 4th, War.

socalv8  posted on  2011-07-02   3:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: socalv8 (#26)

You too bro...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-07-02   7:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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