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Title: Herman Cain unveils economic plan (less taxes and regulations)
Source: The Daily Caller
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/29/herman-cain-unveils-economic-plan/
Published: Jun 29, 2011
Author: Alex Pappas
Post Date: 2011-06-29 21:43:20 by Hondo68
Keywords: eliminating capital gains taxe, eliminate government regulatio, cut unemployment rate in half
Views: 11390
Comments: 55


Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain laughs with Earle Gregory while touring the Next Innovation Center in Greenville, S.C., Wednesday, June 29, 2011. (AP Photo/The Greenville News, Bart Boatwright)

Herman Cain announced an economic plan Wednesday that includes eliminating taxes on capital gains.

The former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza turned presidential candidate, known for usually speaking in generalities when it comes to policy, came out with the plan while stumping in South Carolina.

“The capital gains tax represents a wall between people with money and people with ideas," Cain said. "And people with ideas are the catalyst for new businesses and new job growth."

Cain said this would also encourage companies to “invest in worker training programs, new equipment and emerging technologies.”

Cain's "Economic Vision: Jobs for America" plan also includes lowering the top corporate and personal income tax rates to a maximum of 25 percent.

He also proposes forming a commission to review and possibly eliminate government regulations. Cain claims his plan would cut the unemployment rate in half. (Romney leads Bachmann, rising in NH)

“We will continue to roll out parts of his plan over time across the country, with each city having significance pertinent to a particular industry or portion of his economic plan,” said Ellen Carmichael, a spokeswoman for Cain. “We chose Greenville to draw attention to the friendly business climate of South Carolina and how federal interference, most recently with the NLRB, impedes job creation.”

Cain’s business experience also includes serving on the board of directors for seven corporations and leading the National Restaurant Industry, his campaign said.


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#16. To: no gnu taxes (#4)

Clinton boasts about his budget surpluses, but they did not occur until after the Republican-run Congress sent him a deficit-reducing bill in 1997 that he signed reluctantly. Among its tax cut provisions, it cut the capital gains rate from 28 percent to 20 percent.

For the econowonks out there: business cycles are an issue here — revenue growth from trough to peak will look better than the reverse. Unfortunately, business cycles don’t correspond to administrations. But looking at revenue changes peak to peak is still revealing. So here’s the annual rate of growth of real revenue per capita over some cycles:

1973-1979: 2.7%
1979-1990: 1.8%
1990-2000: 3.2%
2000-2007 (probable peak): approximately zero

Do you see the revenue booms from the Reagan and Bush tax cuts? Me neither.

webcache.googleuserconten...enues+1990+-+2000&ct=clnk

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   10:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: no gnu taxes (#13)

Chuckles...so Cain uses numbers that have, in the past, have always been shown to be incorrect?

According to Boy Blunder's first budget in 2002, we'd have paid down over a $1trl in debt by now and his numbers reflected that.

How'd that work out?

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war  posted on  2011-06-30   10:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lucysmom (#16)

It's INSANITY that they believe the "supply side" model works. It's the biggest hoax since the English army circa 1776.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   10:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lucysmom (#16)

Tax Cuts, Not the Clinton Tax Hike, Produced the 1990s Boom

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   10:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: no gnu taxes (#19)

Clinton cut business taxes in the same budget that raised the upper bracket on income.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

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war  posted on  2011-06-30   10:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: no gnu taxes (#11)

Does the phrase "even Clinton's own OMB said the deficit would only increase after the tax hikes" mean anything to you?

Do you think there is a reason the author would use an estimate to support his thesis rather than actual performance?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   10:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lucysmom (#21)

Ooo...LM off the turnbuckle delivers the elbow...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   10:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: no gnu taxes (#13)

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   10:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#21)

Do you think there is a reason the author would use an estimate to support his thesis rather than actual performance?

Yes, because Clinton never had any intention for spending cuts which, in addition to the economic boost provided by the 1997 tax cuts, is why the budget became balanced. Clinton never had any intention of balancing it.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   10:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: no gnu taxes (#24)

Yes, because Clinton never had any intention

Chuckles...change your diaper...the trail of shit is getting longer and deeper...

GOP Budget Busters by Stephen Moore

Stephen Moore is director of fiscal policy studies at the Cato Institute. Added to cato.org on January 20, 1998

This article appeared on cato.org on January 20, 1998.

The latest press release from the White House Budget Office proclaims that total federal expenditures will rise by "only" $70 billion in 1998. That single- year increase exceeds the combined income of all residents of the state of Kansas. In fact, there are 14 states with combined personal incomes of less than $70 billion. And that's just the increase in spending in 1998. The total federal budget now exceeds the combined family budgets of every household in America living west of Colorado.

Happy new year!

Who's responsible for this spending binge? To suggest that congressional Republicans share any part of the blame is to invite a look of disbelief from party faithfuls. Yes, the budget is loaded with gobs of new social spending, concedes Newt Gingrich. But, he says, Bill Clinton made us do it. We are also told that $70 billion was the ransom the GOP had to pay to get a tax cut in 1997.

Few people would argue with the proposition that this president is fond of spending other people's money. When Bill Clinton took office Washington spent $300 billion less than it does today. And Republicans are co-conspirators in this year's budget build-up. Last February Bill Clinton asked Congress for $1.688 trillion to operate the government -- a truly audacious sum that was ridiculed by fiscal conservatives. Yet the final budget approved by [the GOP] Congress somehow managed to exceed the Clinton request by $4 billion. Can a president politically blackmail Congress into spending more money than he himself asked for?

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5661

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   10:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: no gnu taxes (#24)

Yes, because Clinton never had any intention for spending cuts which, in addition to the economic boost provided by the 1997 tax cuts, is why the budget became balanced. Clinton never had any intention of balancing it.

Is the subject balanced budgets or tax receipts?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   10:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: no gnu taxes (#24)

I recently plowed through last year's 13 appropriation bills and found further evidence of GOP profligacy. While it is true that in most cases the total dollar amount of those spending bills was lower than the president's request, there were dozens of programs for which the budget approved by Congress was more than the White House had sought (see table).

For example, the $7.6 billion bilateral foreign aid bill, the most expensive in history, contains $200 million more for ineffectual Agency for International Development (AID) assistance funds and $100 million more for the State Department than the White House sought. Michael Prowse of the Financial Times recently noted that America would do much more to promote global prosperity if it dropped millions of copies of Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations out of airplanes flying over Third World nations than it does by bribing corrupt regimes with foreign aid. GOP appropriators apparently disagree.

One of the largest dispensers of corporate welfare in the budget is the Export- Import Bank. Rather than end that aid to K Street corporate welfare queens, Congress appropriated $680 million for the bank, $50 million more than the Clinton budget demanded.

The 105th Congress seems intent on proving it's as green as the Sierra Club by outspending Clinton and Gore on environmental programs. Hence, even though the government already owns more than one-third of the land area of the United States, GOP appropriators approved $206 million for Interior Department land acquisitions--almost twice what Clinton and Gore wanted. The GOP was also more generous than the Clinton White House to the Park Service, the Fish and Wildlife Service and selected farm programs.

The labor, health and education bill was the fiscal equivalent of the Alamo for conservatives. Home heating assistance, a program that Reagan and David Stockman tried to exterminate 16 years ago when the energy crisis ended, gets $100 million more than the Clinton budget request. Something called the School Improvement Program (who could be against that?) was slated for termination in 1995 but now gets $200 million more than our education president wanted. School districts with military bases will receive $150 million more in Impact Aid than Clinton requested, even though communities raise holy hell if Congress attempts to close bases. There is also more money than Clinton sought for libraries, AIDS research, refugee assistance, subsidized housing, Head Start, education research and even the Food and Drug Administration.

Two of the biggest embarrassments for the GOP are the budgets for the Appalachian Regional Commission and the Community Development Block Grant program. The ARC helps fund such vital infrastructure projects as a football field, used as a practice facility for the NFL's Carolina Panthers, in one of the richest counties in South Carolina. For 20 years CDBGs have been Congress's most notorious urban slush fund. This year Congress rewarded the ARC with a $10 million budget increase -- $5 million more than Clinton wanted. CDBGs were awarded $75 million more than Clinton requested.

My estimate is that in total Congress spent almost $5 billion more on 35 domestic programs than the White House requested. Explain that, Mr. Gingrich.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   10:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#25)

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   10:54:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#25)

strawman

Clinton never had any intention of balancing the budget.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   10:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: no gnu taxes (#29)

Clinton never had any intention of balancing the budget.

And yet he did. Go figure...

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   10:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: no gnu taxes (#29)

strawman

Take it up with Cato.

And stop posting moronic charts, Erica.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   11:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: lucysmom (#30) (Edited)

No, Bill Clinton Didn't Balance the Budget

October 8, 1998

Let us establish one point definitively: Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution.

Many in the media have flubbed this story. The New York Times on October 1st said, "Clinton balances the budget." Others have praised George Bush. Political analyst Bill Schneider declared on CNN that Bush is one of "the real heroes" for his willingness to raise taxes -- and never mind read my lips. (Once upon a time, lying was something that was considered wrong in Washington, but under the last two presidents our standards have dropped.) In any case, crediting George Bush for the end of the deficit requires some nifty logical somersaults, since the deficit hit its Mount Everest peak of $290 billion in St. George's last year in office.

And 1993 -- the year of the giant Clinton tax hike -- was not the turning point in the deficit wars, either. In fact, in 1995, two years after that tax hike, the budget baseline submitted by the president's own Office of Management and Budget and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted $200 billion deficits for as far as the eye could see. The figure shows the Clinton deficit baseline. What changed this bleak outlook?

Newt Gingrich and company -- for all their faults -- have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today's surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.

We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion.

Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.

Now let us contrast this with the Clinton fiscal record. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan -- a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as "pure demagoguery." It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."

And lest we forget, it was Bill Clinton and his wife who tried to engineer a federal takeover of the health care system -- a plan that would have sent the government's finances into the stratosphere. Tom Delay was right: for Clinton to take credit for the balanced budget is like Chicago Cubs pitcher Steve Trachsel taking credit for delivering the pitch to Mark McGuire that he hit out of the park for his 62nd home run.

The figure shows that the actual cumulative budget deficit from 1994 to 1998 was almost $600 billion below the Clintonomics baseline. Part of the explanation for the balanced budget is that Republicans in Congress had the common sense to reject the most reckless features of Clintonomics. Just this year, Bill Clinton's budget proposed more than $100 billion in new social spending -- proposals that were mostly tossed overboard. It's funny, but back in January the White House didn't seem too concerned about saving the surplus for "shoring up Social Security."

Now for the bad news for GOP partisans. The federal budget has not been balanced by any Republican spending reductions. Uncle Sam now spends $150 billion more than in 1995. Over the past 10 years, the defense budget, adjusted for inflation, has been cut $100 billion, but domestic spending has risen by $300 billion.

We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion. Is this the kind of balanced budget that fiscal conservatives want? A budget with no deficit, but that funds the biggest government ever?

So the budget is balanced, but now comes the harder part: cutting the budget. Bill Clinton has laid down a marker in the political debate with his "save Social Security first," gambit. That theme should be turned against him and his government expansionist agenda. Congress should respond: No new government programs until we have fixed Social Security. This means no IMF bailouts. No new day care subsidies. No extending Medicare coverage to 55-year-olds. (Honestly, if Clinton has his way, it won't be long till teenagers are eligible for Medicare.)

The budget surpluses over the next five years could easily exceed $500 billion. Leaving all of that extra money lying around within the grasp of vote-buying politicians is an invitation to financial mischief. If Congress and the president use the surpluses to fund a new spending spree, we may find that surpluses are more a curse than a blessing.

https://www.cato.org/dailys/10-08-98.html

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   11:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: war (#31) (Edited)

CATO did not say Clinton had any intention of balancing the budget.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   11:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#30) (Edited)

Want to read something hilarious?

Here's Boofer speaking for women:

'....[Bachmann] does not, interestingly enough, view herself as a feminist.'

She doesn't need to compensate, as most of the 'feminist' crowd does. She isn't ugly. She isn't single and in her mid 50's or older. She isn't childless. She isn't unemployable.

She doesn't shriek, she doesn't believe she's a victim. She doesn't loath men in general. She doesn't feel she needs 'extra credit' because of her gender.

So, its [sic] interesting to far left liberals, Ms Powers. In other words, its [sic] meaningless to over 90% of the voting population.

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--GW Bush

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war  posted on  2011-06-30   11:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: no gnu taxes (#33)

To stipulate to your context, what Cato is saying is that the GOP didn't either...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   11:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#34)

She doesn't need to compensate, as most of the 'feminist' crowd does. She isn't ugly. She isn't single and in her mid 50's or older. She isn't childless. She isn't unemployable.

One of them ugly feminists

4.bp.blogspot.com/_mlPoGU...7yneMc-U/s1600/debby.jpeg

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   12:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: no gnu taxes (#32)

"If you want to know in what direction a man is going, watch his feet, not his mouth."

Fact remains the budget was balanced when Clinton was president and promptly returned to deficits under Bush.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   12:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lucysmom (#37)

Fact remains the budget was balanced when Clinton was president and promptly returned to deficits under Bush.

And Clinton had nothing to with balancing the budget other than being there and Bush had nothing to with deficits returning other than being there.

Here's your facts:

Now let us contrast this with the Clinton fiscal record. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan -- a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as "pure demagoguery." It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   13:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: no gnu taxes (#38)

Here's your facts:

Those are your "facts", here are mine:

The tax increases in the 1993 deficit-reduction package that Mr. Clinton pushed through get credit as well. And, to a lesser extent, so do the spending cuts engineered by the Republican Congress…

For the current fiscal year, ending Sept. 30, collections now are expected to be $97 billion higher than the $1.356 trillion the Congressional Budget Office projected 3 ½ years ago as Mr. Clinton was taking office. That is about 7% more.

By the CBO’s analysis, just over half of the $97 billion increase beyond projections is due to tax boosts in Mr. Clinton’s 1993 antideficit plan. The rest is due to a variety of factors. WALL STREET JOURNAL, August 1, 1996

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   13:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#39) (Edited)

The tax increases in the 1993 deficit-reduction package that Mr. Clinton pushed through get credit as well.

That's not a fact. It's an opinion. The increased revenue was mostly due to a recovering economy, which the tax increases probably caused to recover more slowly than it otherwise would have. What I posted was a fact. Clinton absolutely demagogued the GOP's 1995 budget.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   13:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: no gnu taxes (#13)

The chart below shows that revenues are expected to grow (because of factors such as inflation, more population, and economic expansion) by more than 7 percent each year. Balancing the budget is simple so long as politicians increase spending at a slower rate. If they freeze the budget, we almost balance the budget by 2017. If federal spending is capped so it grows 1 percent each year, the budget is balanced in 2019. And if the crowd in Washington can limit spending growth to about 2 percent each year, red ink almost disappears in just 10 years.

***general comments***

So, will this be the gop plan to balance the budget?

Hoping that tax collections grow and limiting the already bloated wasteful spending to a more manageable rate of growth?

No thank you, unacceptable.

Jameson  posted on  2011-06-30   14:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: no gnu taxes, lucysmom (#40)

probably

"Probably" is a word we use when disseminating "facts"?

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war  posted on  2011-06-30   14:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: war (#42)

First of all this sentence was conveniently left out of the post (I wonder why):

Clearly, a stronger-than-expected economy has a lot to do with it.

Second, it is asserted without evidence that the 93 tax cuts had "a lot" to do with it. How do we know it had anything to do with it or furthermore caused less revenue to be created?

Third, there is no record of who the author of the claptrap is, or why we are to believe he knows anything.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   14:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: no gnu taxes (#43) (Edited)

Clearly, a stronger-than-expected economy has a lot to do with it.

The GOP was predicting that the tax hike would DOOM the economy.

Newt Gingrich predicted in July 1993:

"This economy will sink deeper into recession. There will be higher unemployment. The recovery will be longer."

Dick Armey looked into his crystal ball to claim:

"Clearly this is a job killer in the short run. The revenues forecast for this budget will not materialize; the costs of this budget will be greater than what is forecast. The deficit will be worse, and it is not a good omen for the American economy."

Phil Gramm. The same man who led the 1990's crusade to gut regulation of Wall Street and the IRS and later called America a "nation of whiners," boldly - and wrongly - predicted:

"I believe hundreds of thousands of people are going to lose their jobs...I believe Bill Clinton will be one of those people."

+++++++++++++++++++++++

Are republicans EVER correct about anything, Paddy?

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   14:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: no gnu taxes (#40)

The increased revenue was mostly due to a recovering economy, which the tax increases probably caused to recover more slowly than it otherwise would have.

Sounds like opinion to me.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   14:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#44)

All leftard red herrings. The economy was recovering at the time, and it the tax hikes definitely appeared to slow the recovery for several years.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   14:30:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war, no gnu taxes (#44)

The GOP was predicting that the tax hike would DOOM the economy.

Good grief, war, you're right again.

President Clinton sold the 1993 income-tax increase as a way to shrink the budget deficit at the expense of the rich.

Republican adversaries predicted it wouldn’t generate much revenue because the rich would work less and take bigger deductions. Now there’s growing, if still tentative, evidence that Mr. Clinton may have been right after all.

The recent flood of revenue pouring into Treasury coffers—enough to push the federal budget to a record $93.94 billion surplus for the month of April—appears to have come mostly from the nation’s biggest earners, indicating that the controversial tax increase may indeed be taking from the rich. "The available data suggest the surge in tax collections has come from the taxpayers with high incomes, who were the only ones affected by the 1993 changes," says Deputy Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers. WALL STREET JOURNAL, May 22, 1997

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   14:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: no gnu taxes (#46)

appeared

Say "Good Night, Paddy."

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

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war  posted on  2011-06-30   14:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#47)

Re-writing history is a GOP apologists specialty.

Reagan raised MORE taxes than he cut.

You'll never hear them admit that out loud...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   14:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war (#49)

Re-writing history is a GOP apologists specialty.

Can't blame them for trying but what is discouraging is people who drank the Kool-Aid once, got sick, and ask for more of the same.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   14:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lucysmom (#50)

Your statement implies that they had to have STOPPED drinking it. It's fed intravenously and the cause/effect is wholly missed.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-06-30   14:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: war (#51)

It's fed intravenously and the cause/effect is wholly missed.

Poor sick people.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   15:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: war (#48)

The problem is that there is no way to prove it one way or the other because no one can say for certain what would have happened if they didn't occur.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   15:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: lucysmom (#47)

says Deputy Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers

The Clinton White House? They had no agenda, huh?

appears to have come mostly from the nation’s biggest earners,

That's what always happens in times of economic growth.

Now, I know Iā€™m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believersā€¦those who read all of Reverend Alā€™s sermons, and say things like, ā€œYou know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, ā€¦ā€. Can I get an ā€˜amenā€™??

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-06-30   15:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: no gnu taxes (#53)

The problem is that there is no way to prove it one way or the other because no one can say for certain what would have happened if they didn't occur.

We know one thing for sure - raising taxes on the wealthy did not, and I repeat, did not cause the economy to implode and tax revenues to fall.

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-30   17:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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