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Title: Bachmann Stands By Claims That ‘Founding Fathers’ Ended Slavery
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URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2 ... ounding-fathers-ended-slavery/
Published: Jun 28, 2011
Author: Kase Wickman
Post Date: 2011-06-28 11:29:07 by Brian S
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Views: 59594
Comments: 108
Rep. Michele Bachmann, who officially announced yesterday in Iowa that she is running for president, appeared on “Good Morning America” Monday, where George Stephanopoulos attempted to clarify some of her previous statements. Among them: Bachmann’s claim that “the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence worked tirelessly to end slavery.” “Now with respect, Congresswoman, that’s just not true,” Stephanopoulos said. “Many of them including Jefferson and Washington were actually slave holders and slavery didn’t end until the Civil War.” Bachmann dodged the question, answering, “Well, you know what’s marvelous is that in this country and under our Constitution, we have the ability when we recognize that something is wrong to change it. And that’s what we did in our country. We changed it. We no longer have slavery. That’s a good thing. And what our Constitution has done for our nation, is to give us the basis of freedom unparalleled in the rest of the world.” She goes on to claim that John Quincy Adams, who was a small boy during the Revolutionary War and did indeed eventually work to abolish slavery, should be counted as a “Founding Father.” Watch the visibly distraught Stephanopoulos’ interview with the tea party candidate, in which she discusses the minimum wage, Sarah Palin and her foster children. Originally aired June 28, 2011. Embedded courtesy ABC. 
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#25. To: Thunderbird (#19)
abu dabu doo! Wrong again, cupcake, but it is amusing to see you flounder again.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
ming, how goes recruitment for the hitler youth league?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Your momma doesn't....
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Wrong again, cupcake, but it is amusing to see you flounder again. Why in the world would you call another poster.... cupcake?
We missed you there. Are you going to make the next meeting?
He's drunk again. His inhibitions are relaxed.
Geezus you're witless...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
It's a continuum...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
These types seem to get all flirty with the posters they perceive as male.
Nope, I prefer the company of rational minds, ming. But you go right on goose stepping.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
I'm not the one with weird insatiable habits, like you ethel. Do you use a stool, or do you just find one of those midget pony's?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Someone's got to be the outlier...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
I dunno ming, why do you find anyone thats Jewish to be evil?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
It's' many Israelis', all Jews are not Israelis. Repeat this to yourself until you remember that important FACT.
You're a dickweed. If I was childish like you, I'd accuse you of screwing your rescue dogs, but I won't because I actually respect you for doing what you do in that regard. I love horses and dogs and birds but not in the way that you childishly imply. Grow up dickwad.
These Tea Party types see rape as power.
You don't run a company either, Boof. You're an accountant. And accountants are essentially agents of the Federal Government/IRS. George Bush The Younger made sure of it. rotflmao. I hired an accountant, ming. Never take the word of a clown like the dwarf, who apparently admitted just today he can't keep a job.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
I never claimed otherwise, my leetle bigoted cupcake (laughing) You can pretend you don't have issues with jews if you wish. Its only the internet, ming.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
...uh huh...long time....lmao You can dish it out, ethel, but you sure can't take it. Note who began this series of exchanges. After that, you can either 'grow up' or fuck off, freddie. Whichever is easier for you.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
You couldn't just hire yourself? I doubt war's work history is unusual considering the changeablity of the financial industry in the last decade.
'hire myself'? You really are an idiot. Run along child.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
I guess I would have an issue with great granny Phyllis then.
Once you sober up, I'm sure you'll see your evil ways...(chuckle) I must have hit a nerve there.
You really are an idiot. Run along child. You don't hire private contractors?
I must have hit a nerve there. The true personality is usually revealed when drunk.
I must have hit a nerve there. Wrong twice in one post, ethel. Now, go grope a horse.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Funny, I don't think anyone's ever suggested your stupidity is related to drinking, ming.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Chuckles...Boofer, as usual, is simply being insistent in displaying his ignorance. The concepts of a "promotion" and "leaving one company for a better opportunity" are lost on him. Boofer is slotted for the rest of his life. This is it for him. I've worked for 4 companies. Never been fired from any of them. Every company I worked for I left for a) more money and b) a better job title. Evey company I have worked for I have had no less than either 3 promotions or title bumps. Boofer will always be "Head of Acccounting" of a 4 person firm.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
No one has ever suggested it with you either, Boof. It does give your stupidity a distinctive edge tho. A little less coherent...a helluva lot more funny.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
He stated three things, Boofer... My guess is that if, in fact, he was "wrong twice" then the one thing he got right was your need to sober up...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
First he has to know the difference between good and evil something he has never demonstrated and then have nerves that are not fried from all the Aspartame he's subjected them to.
He's a smoker too...Boofer ***thinks*** he's a Marlboro man... 10 bucks says he has a "cowboy" hat and a shearling coat...
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
10 bucks says he has a "cowboy" hat and a shearling coat... That would explain why he calls other posters "cupcake".
Thats interesting, but not exactly surprising coming from Badlie.
Yep.
I thought you were independently wealthy and didn't have a job????? Or was that someone else who told me that???
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
God wincing makes the rest of the kooks here look brilliant....
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
He doesn't have me on filter...he's lying... Thats interesting, but not exactly surprising coming from Badlie. The wee one's ego simply can't fathom ANYONE putting him on the filter and not responding. As for you...weren't you abba dabba do here a few months back, buttlips? lol. Run along, child.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
No Women or Blacks We are ready, but the world isn't.
Indeed. And Palin was correct. Too bad that you wholeheartedly believe the pap the goobermint schools have been spoon-feeding you, for all eight of your years as a freshman at the local JC. As to whether the founding fathers supported slavery- something that you and Brian S(ocialist) seem to believe, I'll give you just a few quotes, to bust your bubble of rampant stupidity: "What a stupendous, what an incomprehensible machine is man! Who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment and death itself in vindication of his own liberty, and the next moment . . . inflict on his fellow men a bondage, one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose." "We have seen the mere distinction of colour made in the most enlightened period of time, a ground of the most oppressive dominion ever exercised by man over man." "The magnitude of this evil among us is so deeply felt, and so universally acknowledged; that no merit could be greater than that of devising a satisfactory remedy for it." Of course, the Constitution- and the attitudes of our founding fathers- were heavily influenced by John Locke, who wrote: Sec. 22. THE natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but to have only the law of nature for his rule. The liberty of man, in society, is to be under no other legislative power, but that established, by consent, in the commonwealth; nor under the dominion of any will, or restraint of any law, but what that legislative shall enact, according to the trust put in it. Freedom then is not what Sir Robert Filmer tells us, a liberty for every one to do what he lists, to live as he pleases, and not to be tied by any laws: but freedom of men under government is, to have a standing rule to live by, common to every one of that society, and made by the legislative power erected in it; a liberty to follow my own will in all things, where the rule prescribes not; and not to be subject to the inconstant, uncertain, unknown, arbitrary will of another man: as freedom of nature is, to be under no other restraint but the law of nature. Sec. 23. This freedom from absolute, arbitrary power, is so necessary to, and closely joined with a man's preservation, that he cannot part with it, but by what forfeits his preservation and life together: for a man, not having the power of his own life, cannot, by compact, or his own consent, enslave himself to any one, nor put himself under the absolute, arbitrary power of another, to take away his life, when he pleases. No body can give more power than he has himself; and he that cannot take away his own life, cannot give another power over it. Indeed, having by his fault forfeited his own life, by some act that deserves death; he, to whom he has forfeited it, may (when he has him in his power) delay to take it, and make use of him to his own service, and he does him no injury by it: for, whenever he finds the hardship of his slavery outweigh the value of his life, it is in his power, by resisting the will of his master, to draw on himself the death he desires. Sec. 24. This is the perfect condition of slavery, which is nothing else, but the state of war continued, between a lawful conqueror and a captive: for, if once compact enter between them, and make an agreement for a limited power on the one side, and obedience on the other, the state of war and slavery ceases, as long as the compact endures: for, as has been said, no man can, by agreement, pass over to another that which he hath not in himself, a power over his own life. I confess, we find among the Jews, as well as other nations, that men did sell themselves; but, it is plain, this was only to drudgery, not to slavery: for, it is evident, the person sold was not under an absolute, arbitrary, despotical power: for the master could not have power to kill him, at any time, whom, at a certain time, he was obliged to let go free out of his service; and the master of such a servant was so far from having an arbitrary power over his life, that he could not, at pleasure, so much as maim him, but the loss of an eye, or tooth, set him free, Exod. xxi. Of course, the views of the founding fathers- aside from John Locke- were influenced by another social commentator of the era- though he died ~30 years before the Declaration of Independance: The state of slavery is in its own nature bad. It is neither useful to the master nor to the slave; not to the slave, because he can do nothing through a motive of virtue; nor to the master, because by having an unlimited authority over his slaves he insensibly accustoms himself to the want of all moral virtues, and thence becomes fierce, hasty, severe, choleric, voluptuous, and cruel where it is of the utmost importance that human nature should not be debased or dispirited, there ought to be no slavery. In democracies, where they are all upon equality; and in aristocracies, where the laws ought to use their utmost endeavors to procure as great an equality as the nature of the government will permit, slavery is contrary to the spirit of the constitution: it only contributes to give a power and luxury to the citizens which they ought not to have. I could go on, but there's really no need; the point is made.
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#26. To: mininggold (#22)
#27. To: Skip Intro (#23)
#28. To: Badeye (#25)
abu dabu doo!
#29. To: Badeye (#26)
ming, how goes recruitment for the hitler youth league?
#30. To: mininggold (#28)
#31. To: Badeye (#27)
Your momma doesn't....
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#30)
He's drunk again.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#33. To: Fred Mertz (#30)
He's drunk again. His inhibitions are relaxed.
#34. To: mininggold (#29)
#35. To: Fred Mertz (#30)
#36. To: Badeye (#34)
Nope, I prefer the company of rational minds, ming.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#37. To: mininggold (#28)
#38. To: Badeye (#37)
dunno ming, why do you find anyone thats Jewish to be evil?
#39. To: Badeye (#35)
#40. To: Fred Mertz (#39)
You're a dickweed. If I was childish like you, I'd accuse you of screwing your rescue dogs, but I won't because I actually respect you for doing what you do in that regard.
#41. To: mininggold (#15)
#42. To: mininggold (#38)
It's' many Israelis', all Jews are not Israelis. Repeat this to yourself until you remember that important FACT.
#43. To: Fred Mertz (#39)
I love horses
#44. To: Badeye (#41)
I hired an accountant, ming. Never take the word of a clown like the dwarf, who apparently admitted just today he can't keep a job.
#45. To: mininggold (#44)
#46. To: Badeye (#42)
You can pretend you don't have issues with jews if you wish. Its only the internet, ming.
#47. To: Badeye (#43)
#48. To: Badeye (#45)
'hire myself'?
#49. To: Fred Mertz (#47)
Once you sober up, I'm sure you'll see your evil ways...(chuckle)
#50. To: Fred Mertz (#47)
Once you sober up, I'm sure you'll see your evil ways...(chuckle)
#51. To: mininggold (#49)
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#52. To: mininggold, Badeye (#44)
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I doubt war's work history is unusual considering the changeablity of the financial industry in the last decade.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#53. To: Badeye (#51)
Funny, I don't think anyone's ever suggested your stupidity is related to drinking, ming.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#54. To: Badeye, Fred Mertz, mininggold (#50)
Wrong twice in one post, ethel.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#55. To: war (#54)
My guess is that if, in fact, he was "wrong twice" then the one thing he got right was your need to sober up...
#56. To: mininggold (#55)
(Edited)
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#57. To: war (#56)
He's a smoker too...Boofer ***thinks*** he's a Marlboro man...
#58. To: war (#20)
He doesn't have me on filter...he's lying...
#59. To: mininggold (#22)
Badeye's job is to try to make every poster here more ignorant when they sign off than when they signed on.
#60. To: Godwinson (#7)
All you demonstrate here is that you've never run a company. So you advocate slave wage labor? When the workers rise up we will make sure we hang your class first.
#61. To: CZ82 (#60)
#62. To: Thunderbird (#58)
#63. To: Brian S (#0)
2012
#64. To: war (#1)
We've gone from knowing AMerican history to politicians being defended by their supporters for promoting the most insane bastardizations of this nation's history I have ever heard...e.g. Palin stating that one reason for Revere's ride was to warn the English.
-- Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Jean Nicholas Demeunier (24 January 1786) --
-— Speech by Madison at the Constitutional Convention, June 1787 --
-— Madison to Frances Wright, September 1825 -- CHAP. IV.
Of Slavery. Slavery, properly so called, is the establishment of a right which gives to one man such a power over another as renders him absolute master of his life and fortune.
--Charles de Montesqueiu, The Spirit of the Laws, XV Ch.1 1748-- 
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